Michael Jackson's greatest achievement: He was labeled an ANTISEMITE by the ADL
I, Enemy Combatant
RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASUS_12/2662_12.asp
ADL OUTRAGED THAT MICHAEL JACKSON HAS REINSTATED ANTI-SEMITIC LYRICS
INTO VIDEO VERSION OF "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US"
Palm Beach, FL, February 9, 1996...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
today expressed outrage that Michael Jackson has reinstated
anti-Semitic lyrics into his song "They Don't Care About Us" for its
video release. Mr. Jackson had assured ADL last June that he would
re-record the song to eliminate the offensive lyrics.
"We were outraged to see Michael Jackson perform the song with the
anti-Semitic lyrics on a nationally syndicated television show," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "We had taken Mr. Jackson at
his word that the anti-Semitic lyrics were deleted from the song."
After ADL protested the lyrics, "Jew me, Sue me" and "Kick me, Kike
me," in the song which was released as part of the album HIStory, Mr.
Jackson wrote to Mr. Foxman on June 22 saying, "...I have chosen to
re-record it ["They Don't Care About Me"], deleting the words found
offensive." In the letter to ADL, Mr. Jackson said, "I acknowledge
that I seriously offended some people which was never my intention and
for that I am deeply sorry... I have come to understand over the past
days that these words are considered anti-Semitic...I sincerely hope
that anyone offended by my words will forgive me for not recognizing
this sooner."
"We accepted your apology, and we assumed that the video would conform
with our understanding. Apparently we were wrong...," Mr. Foxman wrote
to Mr. Jackson on February 6.
"Anti-Semitism and racism have no more place in the entertainment
business than they do in the rest of society," Mr. Foxman added.
"...with the release of such a video, instead of remaining a spokesman
against hate and prejudice, you have made a decision which reinforces
intolerance."
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
...
Jews defame themselves better than any one else could.
Dale Houstman
>
> RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
>
> He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
>
You seem to be a little confused: Michael ADMITTED that the said lyrics
were offensive, and that - in consequence - he would change them. He
didn't, so that makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful
anti-Semite. Unless he was lying when he agreed they were offensive,
which makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful anti-Semite. The idea
that merely being unchanging and rigid (and in this case - too cowardly
to be honest about it when confronted) is a sign of virtue is a
distinctly lunkheaded notion based on outmoded and rather dimwitted
ideals of manhood, not far removed from stereotypical Neanderthalism.
dmh
last_per...@yahoo.com
> I, Enemy Combatant wrote:
>
> > RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
>
> > He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
>
> You seem to be a little confused: Michael ADMITTED that the said lyrics
> were offensive, and that - in consequence - he would change them.
But he later decided not to buckle to the KKKosher KKKlan, to his
credit.
> He didn't, so that makes him a hypocrite, a liar,
Add 'bigot' and you've got the ADL.
> and a willful anti-Semite.
The hate group ADL has made the label a badge of honor.
And Mikey was right, they don't care about blacks. They use
them.
Fattuchus
Dale, check out this poster's e mail and posting history. I think
that says a lot.
Fattuchus
BTW, here are the lyrics. They are controversial, yes. Bigoted? I
don't know. They should be judged in the context of the song:
"They Don't Care About Us"
Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free
Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
black man, black male
Throw your brother in jail
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be
Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, strike me
Don't you wrong or right me
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
LookingGlass
flush it down the toilet.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
along with his nose.
Jeff George
1fc3f0...@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> BTW, here are the lyrics. They are controversial, yes. Bigoted? I
> don't know. They should be judged in the context of the song:
Nothing offensive about those lyrics. Fuckers need to lighten up.
--
JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist Workers
Infiltrating Federal Targets)
RichL
> Fattuchus <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:7034964d-8397-4b48-a40e-
> 1fc3f0...@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> BTW, here are the lyrics. They are controversial, yes. Bigoted? I
>> don't know. They should be judged in the context of the song:
>
> Nothing offensive about those lyrics. Fuckers need to lighten up.
Got comprehension issues?
Jeff George
news:45Wdnb3eLoESgtjX...@supernews.com:
So now art has to be politically correct to satisfy you crybabies?
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:45Wdnb3eLoESgtjX...@supernews.com:
>
>> Jeff George <antic...@heaven.com> wrote:
>>> Fattuchus <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:7034964d-8397-4b48-a40e-
>>> 1fc3f0...@j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> BTW, here are the lyrics. They are controversial, yes. Bigoted?
>>>> I don't know. They should be judged in the context of the song:
>>>
>>> Nothing offensive about those lyrics. Fuckers need to lighten up.
>>
>> Got comprehension issues?
>
> So now art has to be politically correct to satisfy you crybabies?
You asserted that there's nothing offensive. You're wrong, period. No
one said anything about political correctness or that art has to be PC
to be satisfactory. Much art *challenges* by being offensive to some.
Just because it's art, however, doesn't mean that it's impossible for it
to be offensive.
Now read the above at least three times before you reply. You *do* seem
to have comprehension issues.
LookingGlass
>
> You asserted that there's nothing offensive. You're wrong, period. No
> one said anything about political correctness or that art has to be PC
> to be satisfactory. Much art *challenges* by being offensive to some.
> Just because it's art, however, doesn't mean that it's impossible for it
> to be offensive.
>
> Now read the above at least three times before you reply. You *do* seem
> to have comprehension issues.
The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
"Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
sighted critics.
When someone states "He/she is the "salt or the earth""...it is
considered a compliment...a comment on the common qualities of that
person. That we ALL excrete is a common feature of all people, and of
all living beings. Even Teachers and Mothers.
Just ONE interpretation.
(Is this another occassion to cue the Copland FANFARE FOR THE COMMON
MAN...?) :O)
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Jun-2009, Fattuchus <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:58�am, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
> > I, Enemy Combatant wrote:
> >
> > > RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON. �
> >
> > > He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
> >
> > You seem to be a little confused:
To put it mildly.
> >Michael ADMITTED that the said lyrics
> > were offensive, and that - in consequence - he would change them. He
> > didn't, so that makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful
> > anti-Semite.
I remember that he said he didn;t mean them that way & that he *did* change
them.
> > Unless he was lying when he agreed they were offensive,
> > which makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful anti-Semite. The idea
> > that merely being unchanging and rigid (and in this case - too cowardly
> > to be honest about it when confronted) is a sign of virtue is a
> > distinctly lunkheaded notion based on outmoded and rather dimwitted
> > ideals of manhood, not far removed from stereotypical Neanderthalism.
> >
> > dmh
>
> BTW, here are the lyrics. They are controversial, yes. Bigoted? I
> don't know.
He didn't mean it in a bigoted fashion - I understood this when I heard the
song.
> They should be judged in the context of the song:
>
Exactly.
They were *acknowledging* the abuse Jews have gotten.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Jun-2009, LookingGlass <goldenc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> sighted critics.
No, they were offensive.
No "near-sightedness" needed.
Susan
robw
> On 26-Jun-2009, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> > "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> > with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> > sighted critics.
>
> No, they were offensive.
> No "near-sightedness" needed.
>
> Susan
How did you find out those two works existed?
LookingGlass
>
> On 26-Jun-2009, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> > "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> > with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> > sighted critics.
>
> No, they were offensive.
> No "near-sightedness" needed.
>
> Susan
To YOU. Did they cause you to think about them?
The Walrus was Danny
Jazzy was born?
Danny
Fattuchus
> On Jun 26, 8:37 am, "I, Enemy Combatant" <Antisem...@battlefield.usa>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
> > organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
> > counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
>
> > ...
> > Jews defame themselves better than any one else could.
>
> song snippet>
>
> FWIW, I spent an afternoon with some older family members listening to
> Sidney Fine (now dead) wax poetic about MJ and how good he and Janet
> were to him (as adults), and how much he loved them, and blah blah
> blah, kvell, kvell, kvell. He and his wife had adopted those two like
> they were their own grandkids. Rose was their tutor, I gather. Sidney
> was in the music business, but I don't think he had anything to do
> with MJ professionally. Relevant point: he wasn't making entertainment
> money off of him as far as I know.
>
> Common sense says it was lifelong close exposure and relationships in
> the entertainment industry that probably led to the use of the
> expression "Jew me". You know how you can lose some of the formality
> when you know another ethnic group well - the good, bad, and ugly -
> and then suddenly get slapped for it.
Interesting you should mention that. Marlon Brando had that exact
problem.
Fattuchus
That was my interpretation of the line "kick me, Kike me." In other
words when Jackson wrote/sings "kick me, Kike me" he seems to be
saying "abuse me, and act bigoted toward me like you do to Jewish
people." IMO those words are controversial and some people may find
them offensive if they are sensitive to such language, but I think
Michael's intention was good, even though the words are shocking.
I'm more concerned about the words, "Jew me, sue me."
The focus of the song seems to be to protest discrimination,
especially discrimination against blacks.
Boed...@isp.com
> On Jun 26, 1:38 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You asserted that there's nothing offensive. You're wrong, period. No
> > one said anything about political correctness or that art has to be PC
> > to be satisfactory. Much art *challenges* by being offensive to some.
> > Just because it's art, however, doesn't mean that it's impossible for it
> > to be offensive.
>
> > Now read the above at least three times before you reply. You *do* seem
> > to have comprehension issues.
>
> The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> sighted critics.
I am not nearsighted and I considerd the filth to be anti-Christian
and vile so-called
"modern art". Now guess who financed that filth. Some Iraqi born
hebe by the name of
Saatchi, who now lives in London and is a member of The House of
Lords. He has a very large collection of porn and is a multi-
milionaire. Nothing new there. Ill gotten wealth
has always benefited the hebes no matter how vile they are. I wonder
if this disgusting hebe would have financed an exhibition where the
sculptors were jews covered in porn and elephant dung and perhaps one
of Moses having sex with a golden calf.
> Just ONE interpretation.
>
> (Is this another occassion to cue the Copland FANFARE FOR THE COMMON
> MAN...?) :O)
"Occasion" "Copeland".
>
> www.Shemakhan.com
Boed...@isp.com
Or perhaps about all those Harlem jew slumlords.
>
> - Show quoted text -
LookingGlass
>
> On Jun 26, 2:08 pm, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> > "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> > with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> > sighted critics.
>
> I am not nearsighted and I considerd the filth to be anti-Christian
> and vile so-called
> "modern art".
Clearly no thinking processes going on here.
the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!
<Boed...@isp.com> wrote in message
news:376eb034-f928-4349...@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> I am not nearsighted
Your kind always says that.
last_per...@yahoo.com
I always like to see your ilk dance and spin like this. Blacks are
known
for dislike of Jews. Common knowledge. Even the ADL whines about it.
If anyone had learned the way of the ZioNazi, it would be MJ, with his
years of show biz experience and big money.
I, Enemy Combatant
wrote:
It's the same mistake a lot of kind people make, including myself:
You start out trying to please *everybody* and when you realize you
can't, and the people you're trying to please don't deserve it, you
say "phuck-it," and start looking out for number one.
Repeat: RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
He will always be my favorite pop Antisemite.
Thrill me Shill me
Don't you want to kill me
Jew me Sue me
Everybody Screw me
Kick me Kike me
Don't you love to fight me
Now I'm a white boy
but my neck is red
I put miracle whip
on my wonder bread
How many bitches have I slapped - ZERO
And Michael Jackson happens to be my hero
The words aren't mine
I steal my rhyme
I ain't got a dime
But that's just fine
'Cause I can make a pig squeal most of the time.
Cameraman
>
> No, they were offensive.
> No "near-sightedness" needed.
>
> Susan
Offensive to whom ?
Susan Cohen, the ex-Irish Fish Women and Catholic Convert ?
Who spends all her days ranting on about Israel, yet lives, surprise,
surprise, in America.
She's nothing but Zionist scum.
The world got rid of Hitler and the Nazis, Zionism is next as there is
little difference between the two.
Jones
fame is a form of Tourette's Syndrome--just ask Mel Gibson. Celebrities
inadvertently become inverted prisms; lenses channelling zeitgeistian
rainbows into single bright truths.
Timothy J
Dale Houstman
I gotta tell ya: I spoke better sense in the 60s, when I downed a couple
of tabs and tried to recite the Crystal Peony Sutra to a heroin-addled
cheerleader with a facial wound.
Ah memories!
dmh
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Jun-2009, The Walrus was Danny <dannyist...@tesco.net> wrote:
> Susan..are you the same Susan from Years ago who sent me stuff when
> Jazzy was born?
I couldn't be, because I have no idea who you are, or "Jazzy."
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Jun-2009, Fattuchus <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That was my interpretation of the line "kick me, Kike me." In other
> words when Jackson wrote/sings "kick me, Kike me" he seems to be
> saying "abuse me, and act bigoted toward me like you do to Jewish
> people."
Exactly.
> IMO those words are controversial and some people may find
> them offensive if they are sensitive to such language, but I think
> Michael's intention was good, even though the words are shocking.
>
Again, exactly.
> I'm more concerned about the words, "Jew me, sue me."
>
That did sound worse, but, in the context of the others,
I understood what he meant.
> The focus of the song seems to be to protest discrimination,
> especially discrimination against blacks.
I didn't think about the "especially" part, but I agrree.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Jun-2009, LookingGlass <goldenc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2:41�pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > On 26-Jun-2009, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The two recent *offensive* pieces of art that come to mind are the
> > > "Piss Christ" and the portrait of the African Madonna that was smeared
> > > with elephant dung. Both these works raised the hackles of some near-
> > > sighted critics.
> >
> > No, they were offensive.
> > No "near-sightedness" needed.
> >
> > Susan
>
>
>
>
> To YOU.
Gee, I must be a lot more than 1 person, then.
> Did they cause you to think about them?
Only that the perpetrators were sick losers.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
Because the papers reported it.
I am sure this is one of the reason the perps did it - for attentrion.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 27-Jun-2009, Cameraman <ukcam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 June, 22:41, flav...@verizon.net wrote:.
> >
> > No, they were offensive.
> > No "near-sightedness" needed.
> >
> > Susan
>
>
> Offensive to whom ?
>
> Susan Cohen, the ex-Irish Fish Women and Catholic Convert ?
There's no one like that, you illiterate moron.
>
> Who spends all her days ranting on about Israel, yet lives, surprise,
> surprise, in America.
>
There's no one like that,either.
I hope, whatever you are on, you are also not driving.
> She's nothing but Zionist scum.
>
& no one like that, either.
Braindead hatemogners are the only ones who
pretend that such a creature can even exist.
> The world got rid of Hitler and the Nazis, Zionism is next as there is
> little difference between the two.
But I do see why you are afraid to post your real name,
you sick little lying loser.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
I am forced to differ.
Normally, this person never says anything even remotely sane.
But this one was actually on-target.
Susan
Jones
Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Well, he seems to be uttering a litany of the bigotries which come from
all of us. There's room there to give him a pass, you know.
He seems to be, Christ like, offering to absorb the racist sins of the
world. Do it to me, he intones. Those slurs aren't his slurs, they are
the eternal hates of humanity echoing off the walls of the world.
What if he had referred to someone as the all American bullet headed
hymie mother's son? Or, horrors, what if he had said "Welsh me" Ewwwww,
who's BAD?
I'm with Jackson on this one. We can't give our Mosaic friends
everything they demand every time they demand it. Sometimes you just
have to show Jews the door and get on with your life. And this is a case
of Jewish refusal to see the lyrics any way but as MJ voicing his own
bigotry. You go, Micheal, and Jews, chill please. On the last day of the
world, there will be a Jew or two around at the finish line with the
rest of us, no doubt waiting for the ghost of Elijah to show up and find
his cracker.
Timothy J
Fattuchus
When I see hate filled posts like that, I ignore them. We can't
reason with such a person.
Fattuchus
> Michael Jackson said:
> Beat me, hate me
> You can never break me
> Will me, thrill me
> You can never kill me
> Jew me, sue me
> Everybody do me
> Kick me, kike me
> Don't you black or white me.
>
> Well, he seems to be uttering a litany of the bigotries which come from
> all of us. There's room there to give him a pass, you know.
>
> He seems to be, Christ like, offering to absorb the racist sins of the
> world. Do it to me, he intones. Those slurs aren't his slurs, they are
> the eternal hates of humanity echoing off the walls of the world.
I agree with your interpretation.
Cameraman
> But I do see why you are afraid to post your real name,
> you sick little lying loser.
>
> Susan
The raw nerve has been hit, how quaint.
So you are Susan Cohen, the ex-Irish Catholic and Jew convert, there's
a surprise. Must be that repressed childhood you had being beaten by
Nuns.
I see you are still peddling your Zionist filth to the world.
How's that little bastard you had, must be three/four years old now ?
I bet your big fat arse hasn't got any small either.
What a life, ladies and gentlemen, she started as a Catholic and is
now a pretend Jew, what a fucking joke.
BlackMonk
"PJ" <paleje...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 26, 8:37 am, "I, Enemy Combatant" <Antisem...@battlefield.usa>
wrote:
Sidney Fine (now dead) wax poetic about MJ and how good he and Janet
were to him (as adults), and how much he loved them, and blah blah
blah, kvell, kvell, kvell. He and his wife had adopted those two like
they were their own grandkids. Rose was their tutor, I gather. Sidney
was in the music business, but I don't think he had anything to do
with MJ professionally. Relevant point: he wasn't making entertainment
money off of him as far as I know. >
So he can't be antisemitic because some of his best friends were Jews?
All this story says is that he kept his prejudices under the surface until
something brought them out. You don't make the connection between someone
making money from you and that person being Jewish unless you already
believe the antisemitic stereotypes.
>Common sense says it was lifelong close exposure and relationships in
the entertainment industry that probably led to the use of the
expression "Jew me".
If common sense were involved, he wouldn't have used the phrase.
When white people say "racism is bad, but I have black friends, so it's ok
for me to act like a racist," they get slapped down for it, and rightfully
so.
BlackMonk
"Fattuchus" <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Really? What other groups does he use racist terminology to refer to?
He uses the phrase "Jew me," as an equivalent to "sue me." Not "the world,"
not anonymous bigots, him. It is his slur.
AllaBest
> On Jun 28, 8:46 am, "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Fattuchus" <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> bad". (cough). It's street slang for swindle rather than "sue".
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jewed
Hey Jewed... Don't make it bad.
Fattuchus
> "Fattuchus" <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
As I explained above, of the different expressions in the song, the
one that bothers me the most is "Jew me." I don't have a satisfactory
explanation for that one. I would be interested to read a Jackson
interview where he explain it.
The "kick me, Kike me" is more explainable because he seems to be
saying, "Oppress me, hurt me, just like you would do to a Jewish
person." That expression seems to express sympathy for the oppressed,
not the oppressor..
Fattuchus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Funny you should mention that. When Hey Jude was first released, the
Beatles got some complaints from Jewish people about it..
Beth K
What????
fla...@verizon.net
On 28-Jun-2009, Fattuchus <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > But I do see why you are afraid to post your real name,
> > you sick little lying loser.
> >
> > Susan
>
> When I see hate filled posts like that, I ignore them. We can't
> reason with such a person.
I like to kick them around, first before tossing them in the bozo bin :-)
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 28-Jun-2009, Cameraman <ukcam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 28, 4:51�am, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > But I do see why you are afraid to post your real name,
> > you sick little lying loser.
> >
> > Susan
>
>
> The raw nerve has been hit, how quaint.
It's your own fault if your little feelings are hurt,
lying coward. You don't like the truth? Then
stop demanding I post it.
Susan
Jones
released, the Beatles got some complaints from Jewish people about it..
What????
---------------------------------------------------------------I recall
Macca telling a story about the Apple Boutique, while it was open the
Hey Jude single came out, so they put a hand painted poster in the
window reading "Hey Jude". It's their window, right? Seemed harmless
enough.
But not so much to the Holocaust survivor working across the street. He
was from Germany, where "Jude" is the word for "Jew". To him it was a
direct provocation, a challenge, a stirring up of old animosities,
although to me that's a bit of a stretch, with its having to be
understood in a bi-lingual way.
He came over and read them the riot act and the store took down their
little ad.
In my mind, had a comma been present, that would have made the meaning
more specifically provocative. To me, "Hey, Jude" contains the seed of a
gantlet being thrown down in a way "Hey Jude" does not. On the other
hand, walk a mile in someone's shoes, go the distance, build bridges,
etc. So I guess the store did the right thing, plus, let us recall, two
years earlier Lennon had sort of killed Beatles' support amongst
conservative Christians and their still might have been a Filipino
assassin on their tails because of THAT train wreck, so ...discretion,
valour, live for another day, and take the silly sign down.
Timothy J
Stephen X. Carter
>Said: Funny you should mention that. =A0When Hey Jude was first
>released, the Beatles got some complaints from Jewish people about it..
>
>What????
>---------------------------------------------------------------I recall
>Macca telling a story about the Apple Boutique, while it was open the
>Hey Jude single came out, so they put a hand painted poster in the
>window reading "Hey Jude". It's their window, right? Seemed harmless
>enough.
Actually it was written in white paint across the shop window...
--
steve.hat.stephencarter.not.com.but.net
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AllaBest
Are you going to "chew me" out if I make you angry?
Fattuchus
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Yes. Some Jewish people saw the word "Jude" and it reminded them of
language by Germans during the Nazi era such as Juden Rause (I forget
how to spell that) I vaguely recall reading a Beatle interview or two
about it. Of course that had nothing to do with the song.
Fattuchus
> Said: Funny you should mention that. When Hey Jude was first
> released, the Beatles got some complaints from Jewish people about it..
>
> What????
> ---------------------------------------------------------------I recall
> Macca telling a story about the Apple Boutique, while it was open the
> Hey Jude single came out, so they put a hand painted poster in the
> window reading "Hey Jude". It's their window, right? Seemed harmless
> enough.
>
> But not so much to the Holocaust survivor working across the street. He
> was from Germany, where "Jude" is the word for "Jew". To him it was a
> direct provocation, a challenge, a stirring up of old animosities,
> although to me that's a bit of a stretch, with its having to be
> understood in a bi-lingual way.
>
> He came over and read them the riot act and the store took down their
> little ad.
Yes, that is one of the incidents I remember about Hey Jude.
Fattuchus
I consider you a friend. And I know you have a good sense of humor
and that you are kind hearted.
You are going to have to work much harder to make me angry at
you. :-)
Bongblaster
wrote:
>I, Enemy Combatant wrote:
>>
>> RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
>>
>> He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
>>
>
>You seem to be a little confused: Michael ADMITTED that the said lyrics
>were offensive, and that - in consequence - he would change them. He
>didn't, so that makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful
>anti-Semite. Unless he was lying when he agreed they were offensive,
>which makes him a hypocrite, a liar, and a willful anti-Semite. The idea
>that merely being unchanging and rigid (and in this case - too cowardly
>to be honest about it when confronted) is a sign of virtue is a
>distinctly lunkheaded notion based on outmoded and rather dimwitted
>ideals of manhood, not far removed from stereotypical Neanderthalism.
>
>dmh
On the ADL's website they state their mission is "to stop the
defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair
treatment to all." That sounds fair enough but the organization has
gone out of its way to vilify (defame) anyone who disagrees with their
political agenda.
On a number of occasions as I have pointed out they have opposed the
right to freedom of speech. The ADL has smeared as anti-semites,
Professor John Mearsheimer for his book critical of the Israeli Lobby
and former President Jimmy Carter for his book "Palestine: Peace Not
Apartheid".
The ADL has also supported Europe and Canada's policies on prosecuting
what their governments deem as hate speech. While they have aligned
themselves with the Neoconservatives on the issue of Israel they have
also joined with leftist organizations such as the Southern Poverty
Center by smearing CNN's Lou Dobbs as well as Pat Buchanan for their
views on immigration as racist while ignoring the fact that Israel's
immigration policy makes Dobb's and Buchanan's look liberal in
comparison.
AllaBest
When "Hey Jude" came out I was working at Astroworld (a theme park in
Houston) in the camera shop, which had a Motorola display of record
player / radio furniture housings (remember those) right next to it,
and when "Hey Jude" came on we all RAN over to listen! I was working
with a Jewish girl, who indeed thought that this was in some way about
Jews, and she was (for the moment anyway) taken aback, and I think
insulted in some way.
BlackMonk
< I think he was also trying to be "street" along the lines of "I'm
bad". (cough). It's street slang for swindle rather than "sue".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jewed >
It's slang, but it's far from being in common usage and it's not quite as
"street" as something like "I'm bad." You'd be more likely to hear it coming
from a 50 year-old in Virginia than from an 18-year old in Harlem.
BlackMonk
That sounds reasonable, but when you also have him singing "sue me, Jew me"
in the same lyric, I have to wonder if maybe his motives weren't so
benevolent.
rwalker
AllaBest
> Our top story tonight: Michael Jackson is still dead.
This is hardly original. Chevy Chase did a whole routine on Franco
many years ago like this.
By the way, Michael Jackson will live in memory far longer than you
ever will.
Fattuchus
wrote:
> RESPECT FOR MICHAEL JACKSON.
>
> He didn't let the Jews change his songs.
>
> ADL OUTRAGED THAT MICHAEL JACKSON HAS REINSTATED ANTI-SEMITIC LYRICS
> INTO VIDEO VERSION OF "THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US"
SNIP
Here is a Wiki article about the song.
The Arranger
It was at best open to multiple interpretations. If there had been
several other racist terms covering other ethnic groups, his intent
would have been clear (or his explanation more plausible).
The Arranger
Fattuchus
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I appreciate what you are saying and I can see your POV. However here
is another possible interpretation.
Michael sings:
"Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me "
To most people, when we hear the phrase "Jew me" it has a particular
offensive meaning because it is an established expression. However,
perhaps when Michael wrote those lyrics he was talking about racist/
bigoted people putting him in a certain category. In other words, he
seems to be saying, "Don't put a label on me. I'm a member of the
human race; I'm not merely black or white or Jewish or whatever."
Does this make sense?
This is similar to his other song "Black or White." In the middle of
the song there is a rap part and the rapper says someting about "I
don't want to spend my life being a color."
BlackMonk
Michael sings:
The thing is, no one ever said he was Jewish or said he was white outside of
a joke about his plastic surgery. It doesn't make sense for him to say
"don't label me as Jewish," because no one had.
And the line where he says "Jew me" isn't part of the line where he's
protesting being stereotyped. It's part of the line where he's complaining
about being cheated financially.
Fattuchus
The song is not really a biographical song. I think it is a song
about brotherhood.
>
> And the line where he says "Jew me" isn't part of the line where he's
> protesting being stereotyped. It's part of the line where he's complaining
> about being cheated financially.
Yes, I know. I realize I was stretching things . . . . . I just can't
believe MJ would write such a thing
and mean it in an evil way. I keep pinching myself.
BTW did you read the wiki article? MJ did defend himself and
eventually, he redid the song.
BlackMonk
That interpretation doesn't make sense. I think you want it to be a song
about brotherhood.
>
> And the line where he says "Jew me" isn't part of the line where he's
> protesting being stereotyped. It's part of the line where he's complaining
> about being cheated financially.
< Yes, I know. I realize I was stretching things . . . . . I just can't
believe MJ would write such a thing
and mean it in an evil way. I keep pinching myself.
BTW did you read the wiki article? MJ did defend himself and
eventually, he redid the song. >
Of course he defended himself. He also went back to performing the original
lyrics.
Fattuchus
I am not aware that he went back to performing the original lyrics.
Proof?
BTW, I have been watching the news on and off about Jackson's untimely
death. The news shows brief clips of his dress rehearsal about two
days before he died, and one of the songs he was rehearsing was They
Don't Care About Us. Of course, on the news they show a very brief
snipped of the song. I was wondering which lyrics Michael was singing
at the dress rehearsal.
Fattuchus
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I did a little more research on the issue . . . . I came across this.
Oy! I am so disappointed.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475611341&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
Fattuchus
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Here is another little story:
http://newsbusters.org/node/2963
So sad.
Fattuchus
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The more I research, the more interesting it gets. Jackson's ex wife
is Jewish:
If the two older children were not converted to another religion, they
are Jewish too.
Fattuchus
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Michael Jackson and the Jews:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywood_jew/article/michael_jackson_and_the_jews_20090630/
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
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But he sure could dance and sing and father.
Fattuchus
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I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not . . . . But I do think
Jackson was a terrific entertainer, and based on what I have seen and
read, he was a good dad. (I know you might disagree). I believe he
loved his kids and his kids loved him.
His oldest boy is 12. I was wondering if Jackson planned to have a
bar mitvah. :-)
The Nice Mean Man
Major Debacle
drahcir
wrote:
> <plonk>
Major Asshole wants everyone to know just how not a racist he is, so
not only does he publicly plonk one, he puts it in the subject. He
hopes that that will dissuade nearly everyone here who KNOWS he is an
antisemitic ignoramus. Nice try, Major Asshole, but I don't think it
will convince anyone. You'd better try something else.
The Nice Mean Man
Jeff
> IRRELEVANT DEAD NIGGER SHIT
Olde English 800 beer is cheap..as well as Old Milwaukee.
Do you ever drink this stuff? Bud gives me a headache
after the first beer. The above come close.
Crisstti
mistake, and couldn't fix it. But IBen seems to have no problem
changing the titles of other people's posts...
Jeff
I would also like to know how to change the topic title?
Hi, Crissitti. Hope you are having a nice day.
Jeff
Ramon F Herrera
> How does one change the topic title?.
Use Google News. Click on "Edit Subject".
Any time you use "Reply" on any newsreader you should be able to
change the "Subject line".
Changing the topic is even easier:
Have I told you about my aunt who had a chicken farm? Well, one day it
was raining a lot, and her barn became flooded...
See how easy it is?
-Ramon
Crisstti
Crisstti
Hi, I'm doing fine, I think. hope you're having a nice day as well.
Crisstti
Crisstti
> Great! :). I thought I had tried that before and it hadn't worked...
Mmm... it has changed again...
Anyway, I never understood the original title. He was labeled an
"ANT"...?.
Fattuchus
I assume the poster meant "He was labeled an Anti Semite."
Crisstti
Does ANT mean anti semite?.
LookingGlass
Short for *antidisestablishmentarianism*.
:o)
Dale Houstman
> On Jul 5, 3:01 pm, Crisstti <crissttigalda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does ANT mean anti semite?.
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> Short for *antidisestablishmentarianism*.
>
And I thought it was short for "supercalifragilisticexpialadocious"...
dmh
Jim Beam
Is that the same as being an "Anti-Dentite"?-(Sienfeld)
"Uncle Leo"- accused every-one of being an "Anti-Semite".
"Archie Bunker"- got kissed by Sammie Davis JR.
Sandy Kofax- would not pitch on the Sabbath.
Jim Beam
?
Ramon F Herrera
> Did it change?
What the Subject Header or the topic?? ;-)
-RFH
Crisstti
Is that a joke, or not...?.
LookingGlass
>
> On 5 jul, 20:29, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 5, 3:01 pm, Crisstti <crissttigalda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Does ANT mean anti semite?.
>
> > Short for *antidisestablishmentarianism*.
>
Oh...certainly a joke. As far as I know Jackson was NOT an
antidisestablishmentarianist. Not to my knowledge anyway.
:o)
Fattuchus
I don't think "ANT" means anti semite . . . . I assume that the title
just got cut off and the originating poster began the word "ANTi
Semite" but did not finish.
Fattuchus
Dave is trying to make a joke.