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American Motorcyclist Association (AMA)
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The candidate selected to be Public Lands Manager for the AMA will
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including regulation, legislation and notices for public comment
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Dean H
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I am a new motodad so maybe I am missing something.. But with only one
legal open public area in the whole frekin' state to ride in, and it's
open only a few months a year (Thomaston Dam) what has the AMA done for
me save charge me 30 bucks a year to pay to race everywhere else?
Rowdy Mouse Racing, master of dumb questions...
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Isn't Pachaug in CT as well?
Anyway, yeah, that's make it 2 whole (legal) places!
When I was in berlin, that's why my only dirt bike was a dual-sport.
And the only reason I joined the AMA was to enter events.
Dave
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Don't credit the AMA with Thomaston Dam! That was the fine work of The
Army Corps of Engineers.
The AMA is only involved in the racing aspects of the sport up around
us. I have an AMA card but sometimes I wonder why.
Dean H
> wrote:
> > I am a new motodad so maybe I am missing something.. But with only one
> > legal open public area in the whole frekin' state to ride in, and it's
> > open only a few months a year (Thomaston Dam) what has the AMA done for
> > me save charge me 30 bucks a year to pay to race everywhere else?
>
>
>
> Anyway, yeah, that's make it 2 whole (legal) places!
>
> When I was in berlin, that's why my only dirt bike was a dual-sport.
> And the only reason I joined the AMA was to enter events.
Hmm... score one for the dual sports.
from:
http://www.ct.gov/dep/cwp/view.asp?a=2716&q=325070&depNav_GID=1650
Motorcycle Riding
Pachaug has a 58 mile motorcycle trail that is open year round (except
for mud season). The trail traverses through both wooded areas and
public roads.
Motorcycles are required to ride either on the designated motorcycle
trail or on roads that are open to passenger vehicle use. They are not
allowed on hiking trails or any other section of a multiple use trail
that is not part of the designated motorcycle trail.
The trail is marked by small red arrows attached to trees at turns and
intersections.
For motorcyclists to use the trail, they must have a current
motorcycle license and the motorcycle must have a current motor
vehicle registration. An A.T.V. registration is not a valid type of
registration to operate on our trail.
*****
Very interesting, but stupid.
-dean
ggxc300
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
So, I really can't ride my KX100 there, or any of my bikes. My kids
can't ride any bike there... So the reality is all the AMA does here
is collect money from me as a requirement to race... What a waste..
Rowdy Mouse Racing, racing on a shoestring, if we could afford one..;)
sturd
> So, I really can't ride my KX100 there, or any of my bikes. My kids
> can't ride any bike there... So the reality is all the AMA does here
> is collect money from me as a requirement to race... What a waste..
Yeabut. Without AMA sanction, most race tracks could not
afford insurance. There are tracks out there that run without
but not many and certainly not smart ones. Having looked
into what it costs, AMA sanction is absolutely the way to
go.
I'm not defending everything the AMA does, indeed
I'm about 3 months (Daytona 2009) from sending them
my life membership card and telling them to stick it
up their sorry buttnozzles. Their new management
is disassembling the pro racing and firing employees
that don't agree with the whole program, including guys
that have been around forever. Try to find out how much
they got for Pro Racing. In spite of being a member
owned organization, it's not possible.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
scrape
<mikestur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Yeabut. Without AMA sanction, most race tracks could not
>afford insurance. There are tracks out there that run without
>but not many and certainly not smart ones. Having looked
>into what it costs, AMA sanction is absolutely the way to
>go.
Fuck it. De-lurking for a second. AMA sanctioning is complete
horseshit at the local level. A 200 rider MX event with practice
on Saturday will cost the promoter ~$1600 for insurance alone.
Add what the District decides to steal on a per rider basis
(another couple bucks) and the promoter has paid close to $2000
for "insurance" alone. $10/rider.
What does this insurance cover? Theoretically, liability issues.
If a rider wads up and breaks a leg and decides to sue the track,
*supposedly* the AMA will defend the track owner - if there's no
mention of the word negligence. I wonder how many times anyone,
anywhere has collected on this wonderful insurance program? I've
certainly never heard of one.
AMA fees at all but the very largest events are killing the local
promoter. I'd be happy to itemize what it costs to run an event,
MX or Hare Scrambles, but don't feel like it. Even being as
financially careful as possible, many times, the bullshit AMA fees
are what causes a promoter to lose money. They don't give a shit
about racing other than it being a revenue stream. Rick Sieman
said it best, "the AMA is strictly about promoting the AMA." It's
a scam.
sturd
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:29:37 -0800 (PST), sturd
> (another couple bucks) and the promoter has paid close to $2000
> for "insurance" alone. $10/rider.
Have you priced it without the AMA? Or looked at going
without insurance?
My local bud (George at Smith Rd.) runs without but he's
73 years old and willing to walk away.
Tiago Rocha
> the ghostly apparition of scrape reappears:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:29:37 -0800 (PST), sturd
> > (another couple bucks) and the promoter has paid close to $2000
> > for "insurance" alone. $10/rider.
>
> Have you priced it without the AMA? Or looked at going
> without insurance?
This might sound stupid, as it really is, but...
one who suits up, climb aboard a racing bike and line up on a gate...
isn't willing to get hurt? I mean, bikes only have two wheels, no
rolling cage around, no seat belt, no nothing, it is not difficult to
be gifted with a cast after a couple spirited laps on a track... It
sounds bizarre to me the idea of someone suing a track because he/she
crashed and got injured. On our local races, we have to sign a paper
where we state what company is my medical care insurance provider and
if I have none, I have to acknowledge that I am aware of that and
something happen, I'd be going to public hospital. Also, we have to
sign exempting the promoter all responsability, because "I am here
because I want, I know it is dangerous and I know what can happen".
The races have to be cbm (ama equivalent) sanctioned only because
often take place on public spaces and govt. would only allow races
sanctioned by the proper organization. Honda has a huge private track
right behind the intl. airport, they do not require cbm affiliation or
saction, it's their track and they do whatever pleases them.
I used to pay my annual fee... Only thing I had in return was a
christmas card, the license to race sanctioned races and a nifty card
to carry on my wallet stating that I was a "motorcycle pilot" LOL!
that made me feel a lot more superior and important than the *other*
motorcyclists :-)
-- T
-> a friend used to say "if you are afraid of going to the bathroom,
don't eat and don't drink..."
Michael Baldwin
>Fuck it. De-lurking for a second. AMA sanctioning is complete
>horseshit at the local level.
...and then adds:
>They don't give a shit about racing other than it
>being a revenue stream. Rick Sieman said it best,
>"the AMA is strictly about promoting the AMA." It's a
>scam.
Ah yes, Super Hunky. I've never been able to express my sincere
appreciation for the original off-road editor of all time. Forever #1!
Anyway.....
GoTo www.racemra.com to view a very successful 30+ year local _non_AMA
program. It can and _IS_ being done.
My list of the top 3 most difficult things to do are;
#3 - Getting HONDA riders to think outside of the box.
#2 - Organizing Farmers.
#1 - Herding cats.
Mastering #1 is the key to unlocking the potential of #'s 2 & 3.
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
john
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scrape
<mikestur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>the ghostly apparition of scrape reappears:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:29:37 -0800 (PST), sturd
>
>> (another couple bucks) and the promoter has paid close to $2000
>> for "insurance" alone. $10/rider.
>
>Have you priced it without the AMA? Or looked at going
>without insurance?
The track I work with runs AMA and outlaw events, although not
many/any outlaw races in the last couple of years. I do not know
the answer to insurance other than that sold by the AMA. I have
overheard conversations, but not in enough detail to refer back to
them.
The NC Hare Scrambles Ass'n is non-sanctioned. The VA series is
sanctioned. I do think that it is probably helpful in nailing
down contingencies from the big players, but I've seen zero other
advantages.
From the limited examples I have known of close to here, the AMA
provided insurance is close to worthless. I would seriously like
to hear of one single instance where they stood up and defended
someone.
>
>My local bud (George at Smith Rd.) runs without but he's
>73 years old and willing to walk away.
In the cases I've seen where a owner was sued, the parks no longer
exist. Not a huge database, but a couple examples.
scrape
The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
like a winning lottery ticket.
scrape
Baldwin) wrote:
>Ah yes, Super Hunky. I've never been able to express my sincere
>appreciation for the original off-road editor of all time. Forever #1!
Go to www.superhunky.com and buy his stuff. He needs help these
days.
sturd
> I would seriously like
> to hear of one single instance where they stood up and defended
> someone.
I don't know of any.
> In the cases I've seen where a owner was sued, the parks no longer
> exist. Not a huge database, but a couple examples.
I know of two. One AMA fifteen-twenty years ago and they are still
there. One non-AMA even longer ago and they are not. Not real
data as I don't know whys/wherefores of either.
john
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:03:43 -0800 (PST), Tiago Rocha
>>> the ghostly apparition of scrape reappears:
>>> without insurance?
>>This might sound stupid, as it really is, but...
>>one who suits up, climb aboard a racing bike and line up on a gate...
>>isn't willing to get hurt? I mean, bikes only have two wheels, no
>
> The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
> like a winning lottery ticket.
solution: reclassify lawyers as varmint.
john
circling buzzards.
john
wait checking
oooh i need a Barstow to Vegas map...
john
officechair butt
"scrape" <scrapeN...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Tiago Rocha
>
> The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
> like a winning lottery ticket.
you are saying that I just need to crash and break an arm on purpose
to get rich?
man, that's easy. Crashing is what I do best and one month at home
with a cast and the bank account full to the brim with easy earned
money doesn't sound bad at all. If I get a scar, would I get more?
What if I broke both arms and had to go through the humiliation of
asking my own wife (no, not married, just theorizing) to wipe my ass?
Would that render enough for me not having to work anymore? I'm
starting to like it! :-)
-- T
The Real Bev
You think you're joking, don't you?
All it takes is willingness and energy. I could have caused the company
that canned me for insubordination (they called it a layoff, which would
have been a second offense) a pile of trouble by filing an
age-discrimination suit and calling in the EEO to investigate. At the
time I was pissed enough about it, but it just seemed like it needed way
too much energy and I just wanted to veg out for a while -- decades,
perhaps.
I wish I'd WANTED to do it, though. I would have been willing to settle
for a significant chunk of change, enough to guarantee the pension I
would have been entitled to had I stayed with the company until I was
able to retire.
Laziness costs. Such is life.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
Tiago Rocha
>
> You think you're joking, don't you?
uuuhhh, more or less, I am exaggerating a little, yes, but the way
people put regarding insurance, I have a strong feeling that I could
"arrange" a broken arm or two and get a lot of money. This, to me, is
completely nonsense, but I am not full aware of how things are done in
your corner of the world.
To me, people have to accept their choices, accept what life brings,
accept that you are riding an inherently unstable vehicle that can
*kill* you if you're not careful... I can't blame marlboro because I
got lung cancer after smoking for 60 years... I can't blame McD
because I only eat big macs and now am obese and with high blood
pressure... I can't blame the ocean because I went there without
knowing how to swim and almost drowned... I can't blame st. Peter (*)
because it rained.
> Laziness costs. Such is life.
I fully agree, laziness is much more work than *work*, but I think
that there are only two ways to have a nice and comfortable life:
1-> study a lot, work a lot, don't harm other people.
2-> win the lottery
-- Tiago
(1) folklore: st. Peter commands the weather and is who decides who is
going to heaven or hell.
scrape
<mikestur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>scrape notes:
>
>> I would seriously like
>> to hear of one single instance where they stood up and defended
>> someone.
>
>I don't know of any.
I don't know that there aren't, but I know of several
circumstances where (in my opinion) they should have, but didn't.
>> In the cases I've seen where a owner was sued, the parks no longer
>> exist. Not a huge database, but a couple examples.
>
>I know of two. One AMA fifteen-twenty years ago and they are still
>there. One non-AMA even longer ago and they are not. Not real
>data as I don't know whys/wherefores of either.
My point was that regardless of what the AMA infers, their
insurance does nothing for anyone but the AMA. Too many folks
just blindly accept that they must be doing something good.
scrape
>> The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
>> like a winning lottery ticket.
>
>solution: reclassify lawyers as varmint.
Starting at the top. I'm with you on that.
scrape
<diarioda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 3, 8:26 pm, scrape <scrapeNOTHA...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
>> like a winning lottery ticket.
>
>you are saying that I just need to crash and break an arm on purpose
>to get rich?
You need to crash, break and arm and make a judge think it was
someone else's fault. Preferably someone with assets.
>man, that's easy. Crashing is what I do best and one month at home
>with a cast and the bank account full to the brim with easy earned
>money doesn't sound bad at all. If I get a scar, would I get more?
>What if I broke both arms and had to go through the humiliation of
>asking my own wife (no, not married, just theorizing) to wipe my ass?
>Would that render enough for me not having to work anymore? I'm
>starting to like it! :-)
You've just passed the admission test to the US. Come on up.
I've got a spare bike for now. Well, two if you count the one I'm
babysitting for Mr. Cook.
KW
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:49:18 -0800 (PST), Tiago Rocha
> <diarioda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 3, 8:26 pm, scrape <scrapeNOTHA...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The US is run by lawyers. Any opportunity to sue is looked at
>>> like a winning lottery ticket.
>>
>>you are saying that I just need to crash and break an arm on purpose
>>to get rich?
>
> You need to crash, break and arm and make a judge think it was
> someone else's fault. Preferably someone with assets.
Along those lines....I get a letter from the insurance co. today with a form
for me to fill out and inside a box at the bottom of the letter in BOLD
letters there is the phrase ....."Failure to provide turthful information
could subject you to a violation of the law."
Basically the questionnaire was trying to find out if there was any
subrogation or if somebody else to blame/pay for my hospital bills. "Did
this happen on another party's property or your own?"... Homeowners policy
"Was it the fault of another party?" ...Liability ins "Were you injured in
an auto or on a motorcycle?" Auto policy. etc etc etc. Lastly asked if I was
collecting monies from any other insurance company than my own.
Line up the insurance folks right after the lawyers. Their all like
slinky's......not much good for anything, but always bring a giggle when you
push them down the stairs!
--
KW
aka DirtBikeDad (GOR, ADVRider, FRP, GA-MXRacing, OCRA)
aka GA-Spode (JustKDX, KTMTalk)
aka warrenmountain (Photobucket)
03 Kawasaki KDX 220R
01 Kawasaki KX 85
03 Yamaha TTR 125L
90 Kawasaki Bayou 220
03 Husky ZTH5221
01 Kubota B1700
dfh...@optonline.net
better and hope we don't have a case."
*against the doctor, not the track
dfh...@optonline.net
googlerror
responding to Tiago, not the long lost Scrapemaster.
what? now I have to do the squiggly type verification bullshit for
every damned post?
Maybe time to try that friendofreekinwait's server again. It went down
once or twice. And not in the good way.
justwaitaf...@gmail.com
Looks like he has it working pretty good for now. He was running one
out of his house but it kept going down so he went out and got a
commercial one. Those of us who had passwords and logins still get it
for free, and he did open it up to google posts too so you won't miss
any of your friends...
Rowdy Mouse Racing, Just Wait A Frekin' Minute !!
scrape
<keith_war...@alltel.net> wrote:
>Line up the insurance folks right after the lawyers. Their all like
>slinky's......not much good for anything, but always bring a giggle when you
>push them down the stairs!
The lawyers created and maintain the system. The insurance folks
just found a way to operate at maximum efficiency within it.
They're the less significant, more stupid, more opportunistic
players. More likely to own polyester suits.
sturd
> My point was that regardless of what the AMA infers, their
> insurance does nothing for anyone but the AMA. Too many folks
> just blindly accept that they must be doing something good.
So if it's not the insurance, why are there so many
tracks that run AMA sanction? If there is no benefit, it
makes no sense to do that. Either the promoters think
the AMA's package (including insurance) makes sense or
they are all acting against their own best interest.
One more bit of meat for ya. The AMA requires risk management
training as part of it's insurance package. That might (might) be
worth something.
Regards,
Mike S.
sturd
> Basically the questionnaire was trying to find out if there was any
> subrogation or if somebody else to blame/pay for my hospital bills. "Did
> this happen on another party's property or your own?"... Homeowners policy
> "Was it the fault of another party?" ...Liability ins "Were you injured in
> an auto or on a motorcycle?" Auto policy. etc etc etc. Lastly asked if I was
> collecting monies from any other insurance company than my own.
I've gotten those and answered as vaguely as possible. For instance,
if someone broke their ankle at a track and medical insurance sent
the letter:
"was it an accident"
yes
"where did you have the accident"
cleveland, ohio
"describe the accident"
riding bike and fell
All truthful. Helps if you turn off your brain and give short stupid
answers. My specialty.
scrape
<mikestur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>scrape sez:
>
>> My point was that regardless of what the AMA infers, their
>> insurance does nothing for anyone but the AMA. Too many folks
>> just blindly accept that they must be doing something good.
>
>So if it's not the insurance, why are there so many
>tracks that run AMA sanction? If there is no benefit, it
>makes no sense to do that. Either the promoters think
>the AMA's package (including insurance) makes sense or
>they are all acting against their own best interest.
Most of the basis for my comments on a lot of this comes from
working closely with one owner/promoter for the last several
years. They're roped into it by wanting to be part of a series
that draws the most riders. Lots of riders chase District points.
An outlaw series (for the most part) doesn't have the advertising
budget behind it or the historical clout. It's there because it's
there. The promoters aren't in it *because* of the AMA. My
feeling is that most would far prefer to not be a part of it,
given the choice.
>One more bit of meat for ya. The AMA requires risk management
>training as part of it's insurance package. That might (might) be
>worth something.
Q: Should we park this front end loader right in the middle of
this double?
A: Yes
B: No
Q: How wide should the lanes be through this rhythm section?
A: 30'
B: 3'
Folks take the training because they have to. It's required.
Guess who gets paid for it.