Exploded 30-06
wendy...@yahoo.com
to explode when triger was pulled;;;
My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
-------------------------------------------------------
Learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.net
Win a Fulton Armory "Predator" AR-15 accuracy rig while
supporting our RKBA. Details at http://www.myguns.net
-------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Mickey
stock with the barrel on the ground. That would have plugged up the barrel
resulting in the accident.
<wendy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fi9mrd$pcr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> ...
Dennis Jenkins
really hard to say without examination.
Dennis Jenkins
albanyi...@yahoo.com
# Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
#
Really need a lot more information to go on.
Just some thoughts.
#1 Defective gun
#2 Defective factory ammo
mentioned, but highly unlikely
#3 wrong caliber ammo in gun
#4 Bad job of hand loading ammo
#5 Something blocking barrel
More likely
Best guess with what you posted #5
jc
#Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
#to explode when triger was pulled;;;
#My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
#and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
#came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
#face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
#3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
That's easy... barrel obstruction of some kind. Mud, bark, cleaning rod, take
your pick.
I hope he comes out of this ok but it doesn't sound good. Good luck to both of
you.
Cheers,
jc
Advocate54
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
#
Discovering what caused such a catastrophic failure is best left up to high
dollar attorneys and firearms experts. What ever you do, DON'T under any
circumstances return the rifle to the manufacture for inspection.
Perhaps Dean Speir can shed some light on the subject; he was vast
experience with investigating and reporting catastrophic weapons failures.
Ron Bloom
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
reloads?
obstructed bore?
Steve Sherman
# Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
#
Your description is not very clear to me. The bold is not in the chamber.
Are saying that the receiver broke apart and the bolt head broke off
of the bolt?
Here is my Guess, remember I said guess.
- The cartridge was a loaded with an excessive amount of a fast burn
rate powder.
Was the ammo from the same box as the other 5 shots? Do you have
the fired cases from the other 5 shots?
What ever the cause, I wish for your brother to have the best possible
recovery.
Steve
Gunny_2007
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
Three things come to mind. 1. Reloads with too much or the wrong kind of
powder, 2. obstructed barrel, or 3. a defective mechanism that allowed the
firing pin to contact the primer without the bolt being fully locked.
penultimate
> ...
First, I do hope that your brother makes speedy and complete recovery
from his injury. Events of this type are extremely rare with modern
firearms.
We could offer lots of plausible conjecture as to cause but the
present instance of an apparently new firearm and most likely factory
ammunition almost certainly means that product failure and liability
will and should be at issue. Experts examining the facts in the case
and the firearm and ammunition involved should be able to make a good
determination. Depending of course on the injury your brother
sustained and his recovery, product liability concerns could be very
substantial.
Gathering, preserving, and capturing evidence UNDER SUPERVISION OF A
COMPETENT LEGAL ADVISOR, ideally experienced in product liability
matters, should be an immediate priority. This should include the
rifle, all unused ammunition as well as previously fired cases,
purchase receipts if available, a copy of the ATF form filed with the
merchant when the rifle was purchased if not, photographs of the
scene, statements from all witnesses, etc. Facts on the ground when
the failure happened are important. For example, if it was a dry,
sunny, fall day, a muzzle clogged with mud or a barrel clogged with
ice is ruled out. Don't forget the gunsmith that may have mounted a
scope on the rifle. A chain of evidence needs to be established and
the evidence itself secured. Note that I would suspect that fact the
rifle was new means that a lawyer would take the case on a contingency
fee basis.
Except as adised and supervised by your attorney, do NOT turn the gun
or ammunition over to Mossberg or a representative of the ammunition
company.
Scott
news:fi9mrd$pcr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
Who now has custody of the rifle?
DO NOT let it go anywhere but to law enforcement or an attorney; law
enforcement would likely be preferable so that the chain of custody can be
established and maintained. If you do have the rifle, my advice would be to
contact your local LEO's ASAP, tell them the story and give them the rifle.
Many things can cause this to happen, without more information no one here
can help you or your brother very much. It is going to require a forensic
ballistician and perhaps a metallurgist or two to accurately determine the
cause of failure.
Sorry to hear of such a tragedy, my prayers are with you and he, but glad he
is alive. You can always work with and fix things as long as you are on this
side of the dirt.
If you do decide you need an attorney, you could likely come back here and
ask for a good one (make sure you let us know what state and/or county the
accident took place in), or contact the NRA for referral.
--
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects." -- Lazarus Long
Thomas Reynolds
# to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
Shooting a new gun five times sounds like he was sighting it in. The
damaging shot was probably the first shot of the day in the field after
walking around a bit. If he was an inexperienced hunter he might have put
it barrel down in dirt or mud when crossing over a fence or something. Plug
any gun's barrel with mud and you can easily get just the sort of failure
described. Folks sighting in at a range do not get barrels plugged up
typically. It is almost always a hunter making a mistake when that happens
to a sound gun using the correct load. The alternative to "operator error"
might be a truly extraordinary flaw in the metal of the receiver or similar.
Highly unlikely, more on the order of "anything can happen."
Herbert Cannon
dud?
Hope your brother is OK.
The Wolf With the Red Roses
<patmag...@hotmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
#
#<wendy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
#news:fi9mrd$pcr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
## Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
## to explode when triger was pulled;;;
## My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
## and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
## came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
## face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
## 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
#
#Three things come to mind. 1. Reloads with too much or the wrong kind of
#powder, 2. obstructed barrel, or 3. a defective mechanism that allowed the
#firing pin to contact the primer without the bolt being fully locked.
#
Things 1 & 3 surely do seem like they would/could account for the bolt
to come flying out with the receiver blowing up, but number two really
would require a barrel obstruction very close to the chamber wouldn't
it?
--
If life is a waste of time,
and time is a waste of life,
then let's all get wasted together
and have the time of our lives.
Gunny_2007
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-d...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:fibrf0$llb$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:44:21 +0000 (UTC), "Gunny_2007"
# <patmag...@hotmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
#
# ## #news:fi9mrd$pcr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# ## Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
# ## to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# ## My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# ## and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# ## came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# ## face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# ## 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
# #
# #Three things come to mind. 1. Reloads with too much or the wrong kind
of
the
# #firing pin to contact the primer without the bolt being fully locked.
# #
# Things 1 & 3 surely do seem like they would/could account for the bolt
# would require a barrel obstruction very close to the chamber wouldn't
# it?
# --
You're right on that one. A mud plug at the muzzle probably wouldn't do it.
How
about a squib shot that put a bullet about a half inch down the barrel
followed by a fully loaded cartridge? That ought to do it. But, I think
the most probable are causes 1 & 3.
Gunny_2007
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-d...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:fibrf0$llb$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# <patmag...@hotmail.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
#
# ## #news:fi9mrd$pcr$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# ## Can anyone tell me what would cause a Mossberg 30-06 Bolt Action Rifle
# ## to explode when triger was pulled;;;
# ## My brother was hunting this morning with his 30-06 as described above
# ## and when he fired, the the gun exploded and the bolt from the chamber
# ## came off and entered his face bacicly he has lost the left side of his
# ## face. We can not figure out what could have caused this. The rifle is
# ## 3 weeks old and was shot 5 times. anything would help! Thankyou
# #
# #Three things come to mind. 1. Reloads with too much or the wrong kind
of
the
# #firing pin to contact the primer without the bolt being fully locked.
# #
# Things 1 & 3 surely do seem like they would/could account for the bolt
# would require a barrel obstruction very close to the chamber wouldn't
# it?
# --
You're right on that one. A mud plug at the muzzle wouldn't do it. How
about a squib shot that put a bullet about a half inch down the barrel
followed by a fully loaded cartridge? That ought to do it. But, I think
the most probable are causes 1 & 3.
-------------------------------------------------------
penultimate
> ...
I just love all this speculation beyond the meager facts and contrary
to most likely case logic. So why not add my own.
Here is what we actually know (or at least were told). The rifle is a
newly purchased NEW Mossberg bolt action 30-06 that has been
previously fired five (5) times. In failing (evidently on shot six or
so), the bolt blew back into the face.
This makes it virtually certain that the rifle in question is a
Mossberg model 100 ATR. Assuming this conclusion is right, this
rifle:
1. Is new to the market with limited field experience. Given the
facts, this is worthy of note.
2. Absolutely the least expensive product on the market. Given the
facts, this is worthy of note.
3. Employes a three piece (not 1-piece) bolt design. Given facts of
the case, this is very worthy of note.
This is a bottom of the line, economy rifle, designed for the simplest
and cheapest possible manufacturing cost and most likely purchased by
a new hunter trying to make every dollar count.
We have been told nothing about the ammunition. But statistics and
logic certainly make it most likely the rifle was being fed factory
fodder. Not to mention the fact that the percentage of hunters that
handload is small, those that would handload to save money can not
really save much on 30-06 and those that handload for quality don't
settle for five rounds and don't often shoot bottom of the line
rifles. The fact of the matter is that we do not know where the ammo
is from. But I'd bet money right now that it was store-bought. And
if it was not, I'd bet money that it was not loaded by the shooter. I
might lose either wager. But in ignorance, the odds are strongly in
my favor.
So we have a recently designed, new rifle fresh from the store most
likely with factory ammo. Bolt action rifles with mud or frozen ice
in the barrel don't fail by blowing pieces of the bolt into the face
behind the receiver. The most likely scenario sure sounds like a
defective product to me.
Product liability suits against gun and ammunition manufacturers
usually fail because the rifle is "experienced," there are so many
unknowns, evidence is not preserved, and a degree of user stupidity is
often involved. But the present case sure sounds like product failure
and likely provides evidence and circumstances where, if true, that
could be proven. And the product in question surfaces that obvious
possibility that the product is marginal in either its design (failure
is in the direction of "unsafe") or inadequate in its quality
assurance.
If all of this is not a big ruse, I suspect that the lawyers are
gathering at Mossberg.
browningh...@yahoo.com
A broken firing pin that is jamed in the forward position woul indeed
fire the rifle as the bolt was shoved forward to loade the round into
the chamber resulting in the bolt being blown back into the shooters
face. Many modern guns are made very, very cheaply and a cheaply made
bolt stop would have simply given way letting the bolt hit your
brother in the face.
In the last few years including just last month bad steel has been
used in the making of firearms. Tikka had a recal on exploding
barrels a few years ago and Smith & Wesson had a recall on exploding
revolvers.
Although I have not been able to examine the new mossberg rifles if
the action was made of a casting, castings are known to be brittle and
to often have air holes in the steel. A poorly done casting could
indeed come apart like a grenade.
Again contact an attorney and have the weapon gone over by an expert
gumsmith that specializes in this kind of tragedy.
On Nov 24, 12:26 pm, wendyyo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> ...
Norman Johnson
Please document this statement. Many thanks.
God Bless!
Norm
J Buck
over by an expert gumsmith that specializes in this kind of tragedy.>
I believe the term you're searching for is 'ambulance chaser'.
Ralph Mowery
"Norman Johnson" <nfj...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:fifvif$9ju$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# ..and Smith & Wesson had a recall on exploding revolvers.
#
# Please document this statement. Many thanks.
#
# God Bless!
#
# Norm
Check out S&W internet url.
Nermal
The reason for the above question: I still have a Mossberg bolt action
shot gun that I quit using many years ago. The only thing keeping the
bolt from going back into my face is the side of the stamped bolt handle
resting against the receiver! I thought about what my face would look
like after the bolt handle sheared when it was fired.
I would expect that Mossberg would employ some type of locking lugs on
the end of the bolt on their rifle to prevent this from happening. I
remember hearing stories about bolt action shot guns that lost their
bolt when fired (the brand name was not mentioned).
penultimate wrote:
> ...
Steve Sherman
get even a small idea as to the cause.
If the gun fired when the bolt was being closed vs. when the trigger was
pulled
would tell a lot.
DO NOT give the rifle and or parts to the police. You will never see
them again.
Also do not lose the ammo either.
Steve