12 gauge dragons breath?
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Dragons Breath is a 12GA round that is incendary. It is supose to
spray fire from your shotgun without hurting the barrel. It supposely
was invented during the Vietnam war but was unhumane to use (unlike
napalm). It is advised to wear dark sunshades when using this at
night as it can co damage to the eyes. I used to see ads for it in
Shotgun News.
ZEME05
petey
# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
Hmm, powdered magnesium ignited somehow?
Jim Rusling
#can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
#
Blammo Ammo's Own DRAGON'S BREATH Fire-Spewing 12-Gauge Round!
Originally used as an anti-terrorist incendiary round curing
counteroffensives in the Vietnam War. Blammo Ammo's 12-gauge "Dragon's
Breath" expels a load of exotic, fast burning, high temperature metals
300 feet, totally engulfing your target in a momentary 4,000-degree
fireball! Also known as the "Three Second Flame Thrower," our
"Dragon's Breath" is popular with anti-drug and SWAT [!!!] teams as a
temporary stun round in case of resistance [!!!!!!!].
Will NOT harm your shotgun barrel [Thank God for THAT].
Caution: If used at night, we recommend proper sunglass protection.
Three rounds per pack. Each pack $16.95.
--
Jim Rusling
More or Less Retired
Mustang, OK
http://www.rusling.org
GunCollector
> ...
it would turn your 12 ga into a flame thrower. it looked really cool
at night until they banned it it florida
dj_nme
# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
If Wikipedia can be believed:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Breath>
Basically it's a specialty shotgun round that emits a jet of flame
instead of shot.
Sean Elkins
ridcully <rjco...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
#
#
I seem to recall it was some kind of specialty shell that created a
giant fireball that projected for 100 feet or more. I think there were
ads in the Shotgun News back in the mid-90's.
I have no idea if they are still available.
Ron Seiden
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# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
#
It's a 12 gauge round that, when fired, spits a long stream of flame out the
end of the shotgun barrel.
chasw
shoot out of a 12 ga shotgun. The pic look like a Roman candle type
effect. - CW
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Steve Cartnal
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It's a type of 12-gauge shell that basically shoots fire out the barrel
instead of shot. I've never used them or seen them used, but I understand
they will shoot a flame out a good distance from the muzzle.
.
George
# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
This is what I can find:
http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Specialized_Shotshell_Ammuniti/specialized_shotshell_ammuniti.html
http://www.firequest.com/catalog/flamethrowermoreinfo.html
They used to be advertised by a company whose name I can't recall. Someplace
in today's search I found it mentioned that they became Blammo. I didn't
find Blammo but I didn't dig too deep.
George in Las Vegas
Tesla
That was from funammo.com
I don't think in buisness any more.
.
Steven Cousineau
# can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
Many years ago I spent the $15 or so for three rounds to see what it did.
We shot as dusk to get maximum visual impact. It was certainly not worth
the $5 a round as I have not since bought any more.
Basically my observation is that is shoots out a burning magnesium
projectile that probably has some assisting chemicals to burn out the
bulk of the incendiary in the time of the flight which is just under
150 yards.
They are fun to shoot once to see what they do. I am sure they would
impress some folk more under the right conditions. But, I've not seen the
need to buy any replacements to my first three.
In most states you can buy fireworks that shoot more impressive rounds
for much less cost per fireball.
-steve
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Brass Hopper
"George" <gk...@cox.net> wrote in message
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#
# # can someone tell me what 12 ga dragons breath is?
#
# This is what I can find:
#
http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Specialized_Shotshell_Ammuniti/specialized_shotshell_ammuniti.html
Y i read rec.guns !
#
# http://www.firequest.com/catalog/flamethrowermoreinfo.html
#
# They used to be advertised by a company whose name I can't recall.
Someplace
# in today's search I found it mentioned that they became Blammo. I didn't
# find Blammo but I didn't dig too deep.
#
# George in Las Vegas
Mike
be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
Adam Smith
# The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody wants to
# be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
#
#
I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
during that time. Per the press this was a weapon so deadly that the
militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath destruction.
Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
(Tasers). The papers at the time said the reason was that someone with a
heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
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it away?
SaPeIsMa
"Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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# Mike wrote:
# # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody wants
# to
# # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# #
# #
#
# I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
# aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath destruction.
#
# Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# (Tasers). The papers at the time said the reason was that someone with a
# heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
# effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
#
We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
Alex Cunningham
# "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # Mike wrote:
# # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody
# wants
# # to
# # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # #
# # #
# #
# # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
# # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath
# destruction.
# #
# # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
# # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
# #
#"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
# We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
Like the recent incident in Vancouver airport. Mind you the cause of death
there may eventually be attributed to the four brutal Mounties who piled
onto the guy once he went down and applied knees to his neck and back with
considerable force. There is a video of it on You Tube.
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There are twelve million sheep in Ontario.
Problem is nine million of them think they are people.
Adam Smith
# "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # Mike wrote:
# # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody wants
# # to
# # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # #
# # #
# #
# # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
# # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath destruction.
# #
# # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
# # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
# #
#
# And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
#
#
Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
Taser than with a firearm?
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Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?
SaPeIsMa
# SaPeIsMa wrote:
#
# # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# #
# #
#
# Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
#
That's probably very comforting to the ones who die
But right now there are no know rates of survivability for taser incidents
available
For all we know when the shooting and taser incident survival rates are
compared, we could be very surprised
Peter Franks
# SaPeIsMa wrote:
# # "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# # news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # # Mike wrote:
# # # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody wants
# # # to
# # # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # # #
# # # #
# # # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
# # # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath destruction.
# # #
# # # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # # (Tasers). The papers at the time said the reason was that someone with a
# # # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
# # # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
# # #
# #
# # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# #
# #
# Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
I wonder if that is really true.
What percentage of gunshots are fatal?
Del
# #
# # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# #
# #
#
# Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
# Taser than with a firearm?
# --
I'd say you are least likely to die from a taser than a good hit from
most law enformement firearms.
Of course, a man was killed by the cops near me about 12 years ago, by
pepper spray. I believe they
attributed it to asthma, allergic reaction, and the fact that the cops
just stared at him for half an hour while
he gagged and choked.
We can be a weak organism.
I keep waiting for a person to drop dead, when sentenced.
Del
Don Staples
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#
# # #
# # # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # # It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# # # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# # #
# # #
# #
# # Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
# #
# # --
#
#
# I'd say you are least likely to die from a taser than a good hit from
# most law enformement firearms.
# Of course, a man was killed by the cops near me about 12 years ago, by
# pepper spray. I believe they
# attributed it to asthma, allergic reaction, and the fact that the cops
# just stared at him for half an hour while
# he gagged and choked.
# We can be a weak organism.
# I keep waiting for a person to drop dead, when sentenced.
#
#
Didn't make it to sentencing. I testified in a timber trespass case where
an elderly gent had gone out and marked a square paint line around a small
tract of government timber. He was stopped when his son, the logger, was
cutting the timber. Since it was in a Trinity River Authority Park, we
valued the timber at recreational facility evaluation. When the old man
heard how much he was to pay, he had a heart attack, and died.
Sean Elkins
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
# "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:fqr9ee$iv$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # SaPeIsMa wrote:
# #
# # # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # # It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# # # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# # #
# # #
# #
# # Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
# # Taser than with a firearm?
# #
#
# That's probably very comforting to the ones who die
# But right now there are no know rates of survivability for taser incidents
# available
# For all we know when the shooting and taser incident survival rates are
# compared, we could be very surprised
#
I know which one I would choose if I had to pick one to experience!
Gray Ghost
@grapevine.wam.umd.edu:
> ...
Having read a number of the responses let me add this.
Met a fella once who had been a troop in the first Gulf War, Matine I think.
Says he carried a shotgun and had a loadout that included Dragon's Breath.
What he said it was good for was when approaching buildings that may be booby
trapped his job was to shoot down hallways with the Dragon's Breath with the
expectation that the heat and fire would set off any (non metallic) trip
wires. I imagine some metallic wire would fail, too, but he said they were
finding booby traps with very thin monofilament trip wires that were
impossible to see in a dark or semi dark building. Claimed it worked and it
always made sense to me as practical.
Frank
Clark Magnuson
#
# In most states you can buy fireworks that shoot more impressive rounds
# for much less cost per fireball.
#
# -steve
#
#
I looked at the adds in ShotgunNews for years and formed an opinion.
Your post confirms my perceptions.
Thanks for the reassuring feeling:)
Adam Smith
# "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # Mike wrote:
# # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody wants
# # to
# # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # #
# # #
# #
# # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV railed
# # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath destruction.
# #
# # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at the
# # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44 magnum.
# #
#
# And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
#
Would you please site your sources for Tasing being almost as lethal as
being shot?
--
Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?
Doug T
# SaPeIsMa wrote:
#
# #
# # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# #
#
#
#
He can't, Tasers aren't, when was the last time you heard of people
volunteering to be shot for demonstration purposes or as a matter of
training?
Doug T
Clark Magnuson
When the old man
# heard how much he was to pay, he had a heart attack, and died.
When my cheapness kept me from buying dragon's breath, I think it helped
me, but now I am thinking my cheapness could also kill me:(
Jim Bianchi
# He can't, Tasers aren't, when was the last time you heard of people
# training?
I've heard several policemen here in Calif say that being hit with a
TASER is part of their training.
SaPeIsMa
"Doug T" <dtr...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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# Adam Smith wrote:
# # SaPeIsMa wrote:
# # # "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# #
# # #
# # # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# # #
# #
# # Would you please site your sources for Tasing being almost as lethal as
# #
# #
#
# He can't, Tasers aren't, when was the last time you heard of people
# training?
#
So what ?
The volunteers are generally people who are NOT under stress and who also
are usually in top physical condition
That is the a very good description of the people who are being tased by the
police
If you're going to make deductions, you might want to have a better control
of divergences in your sample group
SaPeIsMa
# SaPeIsMa wrote:
# # "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# # news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # # Mike wrote:
# # # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody
# wants
# # # to
# # # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # # #
# # # #
# # # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV
# railed
# # # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath
# destruction.
# # #
# # # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # # (Tasers). The papers at the time said the reason was that someone with
# a
# # # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at
# the
# # # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44
# magnum.
# # #
# #
# # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# #
#
# Would you please site your sources for Tasing being almost as lethal as
#
Asked and answered in a different post
But clearly you need a reminder
That's probably very comforting to the ones who die
But right now there are no know rates of survivability for taser incidents
available
For all we know when the shooting and taser incident survival rates are
compared, we could be very surprised
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Jim Casey
# # Would you at least agree that the probability of death is less with a
# # Taser than with a firearm?
# I wonder if that is really true.
# What percentage of gunshots are fatal?
I don't know, but consider this: With a Taser or Tazer, a significant
majority suffer no permanent injury. Granted a few die, and some fall
and crack their heads.
Non-fatal gunshot wounds often cause permanent disabilities, including
brain damage, loss of organs, and injuries that require lengthy and
expensive treatment.
- Jim
Doug T
# Peter Franks wrote:
#
# # # Taser than with a firearm?
#
# # I wonder if that is really true.
#
# # What percentage of gunshots are fatal?
#
# I don't know, but consider this: With a Taser or Tazer, a significant
# majority suffer no permanent injury. Granted a few die, and some fall
# and crack their heads.
#
# Non-fatal gunshot wounds often cause permanent disabilities, including
# brain damage, loss of organs, and injuries that require lengthy and
# expensive treatment.
#
# - Jim
#
And further more a quick look doesn't find any proof or apparently even
good evidence that the anybody has died of taser use. People have died
after being tasered, some shortly after some hours after, some many
years later. Most also had high levels of drugs, exertion, sometimes
lots of restraint, or several large men piled on top of their bodies.
From an article in the Austin Chronicle:
"Back in April, EMS Medical Director Ed Racht told the City Council that
out of 40,000 documented Taser uses, there are only four deaths
associated with the weapon that have been "critically analyzed" in
peer-reviewed medical literature. In each case, "the strong weight of
the evidence is that those four deaths are related to [a] pre-existing
drug state … and not the tasing event," Racht said."
So do you think the death rate for gunshot wounds is less than
1 in 10000?
Doug T
Adam Smith
# "Doug T" <dtr...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
# news:fr3q1s$51v$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # Adam Smith wrote:
# # # SaPeIsMa wrote:
# # # # "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# # #
# # # #
# # # # It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# # # # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# # # #
# # #
# # # Would you please site your sources for Tasing being almost as lethal as
# # #
# # #
# #
# # He can't, Tasers aren't, when was the last time you heard of people
# # training?
# #
#
# So what ?
# The volunteers are generally people who are NOT under stress and who also
# are usually in top physical condition
# That is the a very good description of the people who are being tased by the
# police
# If you're going to make deductions, you might want to have a better control
# of divergences in your sample group
#
Do you actually believe that people who are shot get up and have no
injuries after a few minutes, as they do when tasered?
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it away?
Adam Smith
# "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# news:fr35bt$6m$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # SaPeIsMa wrote:
# # # "Adam Smith" <lastam...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# # # news:fqm3sk$279$1...@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# # # # Mike wrote:
# # # # # The rounds were banned in Florida to save police officers. Nobody
# # wants
# # # # to
# # # # # be set on fire when you can be hit by a 12 ga. slug, right?
# # # # #
# # # # #
# # # #
# # # # I remember the hysterical hype about the Dragon's Breath in Florida
# # # # during that time. Per the press this was a weapon so deadly that the
# # # # militaries of the world didn't dare use them. Both papers and TV
# # railed
# # # # aginst this scourge of the Western world, a threat not seen since the
# # # # pope outlawed the crossbow. But thankfully the Florida legislature
# # # # galloped to the rescue and saved the US from Dragon's Breath
# # destruction.
# # # #
# # # # Come to think of it, Florida also banned projecting electical weapons
# # # # (Tasers). The papers at the time said the reason was that someone with
# # a
# # # # heart condition might die from being stunned. One can only wonder at
# # the
# # # # effect of someone with a heart condition being shot with a .44
# # magnum.
# # # #
# # #
# # # We do have MANY incidents where people have died from being tased
# # # It's proving to be almost as lethal as being shot
# # # And many of the victims did NOT have a heart condition
# # #
# #
# # Would you please site your sources for Tasing being almost as lethal as
# # being shot?
# #
#
# Asked and answered in a different post
# But clearly you need a reminder
#
#
# That's probably very comforting to the ones who die
# But right now there are no know rates of survivability for taser incidents
# available
# For all we know when the shooting and taser incident survival rates are
# compared, we could be very surprised
#
#
That is about as illogical a response as I've ever seen. I don't know
where you get the idea that gunshot wounds and Taser effects are
comparable.
--
Will the last American please lower the flag, fold it carefully, and put
it away?
Trumpet
Hi Spim,
Get real.
While tazers have killed more people than expected, the fatality rate from
tazers is quite low.
Low enough to be called "acceptable" by the insurance carriers behind the
municipalities currently using them.
Now, nobody here is foolish enough to say insurance companies have our best
interests in mind.
However, those companies don't miss much when it comes to maximizing their
bottom line.
If you look at actuary tables, you'll find fatalities are less the .1% per
10,000 uses. I'm not saying their numbers are completely correct.
You can be sure, if there was a significant problem with tazers, by now,
they wouldn't be in use as widely as they are.
Trumpet