Fast Reaction corner-case question for LSJ
Solange Erci
Player P2 has an untapped vampire B and an untapped vampire with
Auspex A.
On P1's turn, T takes an action with B successfully blocks. G untaps T
to engage in combat with B in T's stead.
At this point, it is my understanding that T is STILL the "acting
minion". Is this correct?
G & B finish their combat. A plays Fast Reaction.
Is Fast Reaction playable? If so, does A enter the Fast Reaction's
combat with G or with T?
It seems to me that the only printed card that changes the acting
minion is Mask, and that the special Gargoyle slave ability never
alters who the actor is. Furthermore, that Fast Reaction is intended
as a card to punish a blocked actor (rather than whatever combat
delegate the actor can manage to hide behind). Hence Fast Reaction
should enable A to enter combat with T.
The table disagreed :-/
An analagous situation is an acting Gargoyle hiding behind a superior
Conscripted Statue (I would contend that Fast Reactions invokes a
combat with the Gargoyle).
I was unable to turn up any official or unofficial commentary along
this line searching deja.
LSJ?
reyda
(look for the last online text at www.white-wolf.com/vtes when you are not
sure )
Fast Reaction [Jyhad, V:TES, CE]
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Auspex
Only usable after a combat **between a blocking minion you control other
than this vampire and the acting minion.**
[aus] Tap this vampire. This vampire enters combat with the acting minion.
The first round of this new combat, the acting minion cannot strike.
[AUS] As above, with an optional press.
This should answer your question.
When you use the gargoyle "bodyguard ability", your acting minion does not
enter combat. You cannot play Fast reaction at all after the "bodyguard"
combat .
reyda
LSJ
>
> Player P1 has a Tremere T and a Gargoyle G who is a Tremere slave.
> Player P2 has an untapped vampire B and an untapped vampire with
> Auspex A.
>
> On P1's turn, T takes an action with B successfully blocks. G untaps T
> to engage in combat with B in T's stead.
>
> At this point, it is my understanding that T is STILL the "acting
> minion". Is this correct?
Yes.
> G & B finish their combat. A plays Fast Reaction.
>
> Is Fast Reaction playable? If so, does A enter the Fast Reaction's
> combat with G or with T?
Not playable, since G is not the acting minion.
> It seems to me that the only printed card that changes the acting
> minion is Mask, and that the special Gargoyle slave ability never
> alters who the actor is. Furthermore, that Fast Reaction is intended
> as a card to punish a blocked actor (rather than whatever combat
> delegate the actor can manage to hide behind). Hence Fast Reaction
> should enable A to enter combat with T.
>
> The table disagreed :-/
The table is correct. Fast Reaction is only playable after a combat
between your blocking minion and someone else's acting minion.
> An analagous situation is an acting Gargoyle hiding behind a superior
> Conscripted Statue (I would contend that Fast Reactions invokes a
> combat with the Gargoyle).
Fast Reaction is not playable in that case, either, since the combat
involved the blocking vampire and a non-acting minion (the statue).
The acting minion never entered combat.
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reyda
> Fast Reaction is not playable in that case, either, since the combat
> involved the blocking vampire and a non-acting minion (the statue).
> The acting minion never entered combat.
hum, what happened to my post stating similar things ?? =(
can any of you see it ?
Sten During
I got it :)
Sten During
LSJ
Yes. If google sees it, we can see it. (Better to check with google first
before hitting the newsgroup with superfluous posts.)
But the questioner asked for my response, and your response didn't quote
any of his examples, and only answered the Gargoyle question, so I couldn't
just follow-up to yours with "correct".