No '24' at ATEI :(
Pins Anon
"not a lot of people, not a lot of business, not a lot of
freebies" (not my words).
Gary Stern is there on the Electrocoin stand with 2 x CSI, 1 x Batman.
No ultra-pin or anything else for pinball folk.
Nick
Pins Anon
UK
http://www.thepinballblog.com
Lloyd Olson
Less ops to sell to, ops buying less, and less product to sell. Won't get
better over night. It is going to take some time.
And after last year's unfinished games hitting the street, way better not
having 24 there, than a mock up of one, and everybody complaining about it.
LTG :)
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Rare Hero
> The situation in there is probably the same in the USA. Bad coin op market.
> Less ops to sell to, ops buying less, and less product to sell. Won't get
> better over night. It is going to take some time.
>
> And after last year's unfinished games hitting the street, way better not
> having 24 there, than a mock up of one, and everybody complaining about it.
> LTG :)
Or - there are still a shitload of CSIs and Batmans to sell....I know
RGP isn't a true representation of sales, but I think you can look at
RGP as a "Neilson Ratings" of sorts ...there were definitely a lot of
RGP'rs that bought FGy and Spidey, based on all the excitement, talk,
posts, etc. ...a decent amount of people here bought Shrek and
Indy ....Seems like less talk about Batman.....and I think something
like 3 people here bought CSI. I really wonder how many CSI's have
sold since release....could it be less than 100? *shrug*
Greg
Pins Anon
people would probably grumble about the state of the software. But
there's (apparently) a lot of "first look" video stuff there, so maybe
was hoping for a sneak peak!
mr tobias
There is a world of difference between showing say a 90% complete
prototype of what might be the best game of 2009 at a major show, by
way of a sneak preview, as opposed to releasing a 90% finished game
onto the market. It is the latter approach that caused so much
dissatisfaction in 2008.
I was under the impression 24 had been in development for a long time.
If we're only three weeks away from photos it seems a pity it couldn't
have been shown at a major international show. On the surface it
sounds like bad timing. I do agree though that if it's a considerable
way off completion, then it's better not shown.
mnpinball
I call bullshit on the completion excuse.
Look at what Indiana Jones was in terms of infantile software at the
Italy show March 2008. We got lots of pictures and reports of the
game in early software stage. Indiana Jones went on to sell great.
Period.
Now could "24" be the best game of the bunch in 2009 ? Very well
could be. But we won't know that untill it's out and gets some play
and response. (but I think so) "24" has been in development for 1
1/2+ years on/off, and was said by someone who played one back in May
2008 was father along than Batman at the time.
I think it's marketing on a business approach of Stern and respect to
ops with games in stock. CSI has sold about 400 units and Batman has
sold under 2900. Stern has both in surplus and wants to sell that
inventory first and foremost.
Rare Hero
> I think it's marketing on a business approach of Stern and respect to
> ops with games in stock. CSI has sold about 400 units and Batman has
> sold under 2900. Stern has both in surplus and wants to sell that
> inventory first and foremost.
Has Batman really sold that many? Who was saying that Batman sold
poorly ...that seems pretty damn respectable in this market. Hell,
400 CSI's in a couple months doesn't seem that bad, really.
Greg
Lloyd Olson
Joneses did they sell ? LTG :)
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mattyb
>...I think it's marketing on a business approach of Stern and respect to
> ops with games in stock. CSI has sold about 400 units and Batman has
> sold under 2900.
"sold under 2900" is another way of saying "the sales figures are so
low it's embarrassing"
>Stern has both in surplus and wants to sell that
> inventory first and foremost.
Finishing the BDK code would move some units. I just don't see how GS
can't see the relationship between halfass games and halfass sales.
MattyB.
chuck
Actually I would think 2900 might be a decent run for stern, not sure
since they don't publish numbers. Plus no offense to mnpinball but
he's been wrong about stern issues so I wouldn't trust the 2900 number
at all. Don't they run roughly 500 per batch? That would be six
runs? I doubt they sold near that many.
Svante
I was also hoping to get a glimpse of 24 at ATEI. According to Gary it
was way to early to showcase 24.
chuck
Didn't you say it was going to be at the show?
yetterben
Last i heard they where still doing cleaning up software. All the hype
it wont live up to it. People will buy and will sell within a month.
Just like the last 4 titles. People that spend 4 grand on a machine
they cant play are crazy.Would be like walking into a dealership
looking at brochures for cars and buying based on that.
mnpinball
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>
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> > On Jan 27, 5:25 pm, mr tobias <john_da...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 27 Jan, 18:52, Pins Anon <n...@pinsanon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > people would probably grumble about the state of the software. But
> > > > there's (apparently) a lot of "first look" video stuff there, so maybe
> > > > was hoping for a sneak peak!
>
> > > > Nick
> > > > Pins Anon
> > > > UKhttp://www.thepinballblog.com
>
> > > There is a world of difference between showing say a 90% complete
> > > prototype of what might be the best game of 2009 at a major show, by
> > > way of a sneak preview, as opposed to releasing a 90% finished game
> > > onto the market. It is the latter approach that caused so much
> > > dissatisfaction in 2008.
>
> > > If we're only three weeks away from photos it seems a pity it couldn't
> > > have been shown at a major international show. On the surface it
> > > sounds like bad timing. I do agree though that if it's a considerable
> > > way off completion, then it's better not shown.
>
> > I call bullshit on the completion excuse.
> > Look at what Indiana Jones was in terms of infantile software at the
> > Italy show March 2008. We got lots of pictures and reports of the
> > game in early software stage. Indiana Jones went on to sell great.
> > Period.
>
> > Now could "24" be the best game of the bunch in 2009 ? Very well
> > could be. But we won't know that untill it's out and gets some play
> > and response. (but I think so) "24" has been in development for 1
> > 1/2+ years on/off, and was said by someone who played one back in May
> > 2008 was father along than Batman at the time.
>
> > I think it's marketing on a business approach of Stern and respect to
> > ops with games in stock. CSI has sold about 400 units and Batman has
> > sold under 2900. Stern has both in surplus and wants to sell that
> > inventory first and foremost.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I never said it was going to be at the show. I was optimistic it was
possible.
I posted 1 day prior to the event and confirmed via Stern that it
would not be there.
Post is here.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/213d73c5235c83c3/4e4d99bed0ac6ee7?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=24+atei#4e4d99bed0ac6ee7
chuck
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> - Show quoted text -
You created the original post:
ATEI show in London and Stern Pinball "24"
Just days away from Martin getting some pics up and first look
see !! ;-)
Nothing says opinion. If it's an opinion say "I hope 24..." or
"hopefully 24 will be there" I think the problem with a lot of your
posts is your blind optimism reads as fact to us. Add IMO (in my
opinion) to your posts and it will be much clearer.
Pins Anon
would be at ATEI or not, right up to the last minute. Stern said no,
but other people (who had no reason to make it up/perhaps would know)
were saying yes! Maybe it was part of the 'hype'. Getting people
talking about your product is good (free) advertising.
When I heard 24 wasn't there I nearly didn't go but I went at the last
minute to show willing. Gary Stern made the trip over even if 24
didn't and you'd think if things were really *that* bad then a flight
to London would be seen as a unnecessary expense - especially as half
the visitors there wouldn't have a clue who he was!
ATEI has mostly been shoved upstairs and it's the Casino/Slots/
Gambling event now that most people go to see and takes pride of
place. With the benefit of hindsight, if I was Stern I wouldn't have
gone, especially without a new product, not enough people/business/
money from what I could see.
Apparently it was said that 24 is going to production at the end of
the month, but not my words and I didn't hear it myself (Gary had left
before I arrived).
mnpinball
> Didn't know you were privy to Stern's sales figures. How many Indiana
> Joneses did they sell ? LTG :)
>
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> news:85d1b83d-815e-4fb9...@h20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> I call bullshit on the completion excuse.
> Look at what Indiana Jones was in terms of infantile software at the
> Italy show March 2008. We got lots of pictures and reports of the
> game in early software stage. Indiana Jones went on to sell great.
> Period.
Sorry Lloyd I had not responded and missed this.
I have to clear up a typo I made on Batman. I meant to type 1900 not
2900. Sorry about the mislead typo. I have corrected it.
To answer LTG's question, Indiana sold 2500 units thus far.
My info is gathered from people in the business of Stern be it ops/
distributors, designers, whomever or Joe Blackwell as to when he was
there. He was very informative and more than welcome to answer
questions.
So it's CSI ~400
Batman ~1900
IJ4 2500
ssunite...@gmail.com
Hmmmm.
Andrew