Unprecedented CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!
Sam Sloan
Operating Officer of the USCF using the official USCF mailing list to
mail out a campaign letter supporting Randy Bauer, Steve Shutt,
Elizabeth Shaughnessy and George John for election.
Never in the history of the USCF has such a thing occured. When Al
Lawrence was Executive Director, he certainly did not like me and
wanted me to be defeated, but he always remained absolutely neutral in
the election and would never have interfered.
By contrast, Beatriz Marinello has sent out a letter signed by her as
both USCF President and Chief Operating Officer, endorsing candidates
for election.
Unspeakably outrageous. I would like to ask: Do Randy Bauer, Steve
Shutt, Elizabeth Shaughnessy and George John approve of these tactics
taken in their behalf?
Sam Sloan
Conrad Hausler
John approve of these tactics > taken in their behalf?>
Do unprincipled scumbags who will do anything to get their hands into the
money trough care how the crime is committed?
Angelo DePalma
Who paid for the mailing?
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:427069a3...@ca.news.verio.net...
George John
Best regards,
George John
Sam Sloan
wrote:
>It was send by e-mail, and should have cost nothing.
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which required
use of USCF resources for its creation.
So, Beatrriz Marinello converted USCF assets for her own personal use.
This does not cause any problems for George John, especially since he
was the beneficiary of this e-mailing.
Sam Sloan
Mike Nolan
>Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which required
>use of USCF resources for its creation.
As far as I can determine, no USCF list was used for that mailing.
--
Mike Nolan
Neil Clarkson
mailing.
> --
So the USCF publishes its membership lists' e-mail addresses? Does that mean
I can send them all e-mails too? If she used a public list then where is the
URL? I would like to see it.
Thanks
Mike Nolan
>"Mike Nolan" > As far as I can determine, no USCF list was used for that
>mailing.
>> --
>So the USCF publishes its membership lists' e-mail addresses?
No, the USCF does not publish a list of e-mail addresses, nor does it
publish a list of member mailing addresses.
--
Mike Nolan
George John
Sam Sloan wrote:
> Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which required
> use of USCF resources for its creation.
>
> So, Beatrriz Marinello converted USCF assets for her own personal
use.
[SNIP]
I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?
Best regards,
George John
parrt...@cs.com
> Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which
required use of USCF resources for its creation.> Sam Sloan
<I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?>
The fact that a USCF member named Andy gave his e-mail address and
on the FIDE newsgroup and said he subscribed to the official USCF
e-mail list and that's where he received the endorsement from Beatriz
who signed it as both president and chief operating officer.
Mike Nolan
>I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?
I am wondering who changed the signature block on Beatriz's e-mail when
it was reposted to rec.games.chess.politics? The copies of the e-mail I
received all read:
Yours for Chess,
WIM Beatriz Marinello
President
US Chess Federation
What was posted to rgcp (from a phony address via googlegroups)
was 'President and COO'.
I wonder if any other changes were made to her original text?
--
Mike Nolan
zdrakec
Cheers,
zdrakec
George John
IMO, this is insufficient evidence. His e-mail address would have to
have been unique to the USCF e-mail list to know with any certainty
that it was used from that list. Ms. Marinello could have acquired his
e-mail address in some other way. Since we don't know the e-mail
address in question, there is no way I know of to research his
assertion further.
As Mike pointed out, and which I find quite interesting, the original
copy from the FIDE-Groups Yahoo list does NOT have the COO designation
(see below). The original on rgcp does (see below)! What I find more
interesting is both have the exact same date and time (see below). I
think it highly unlikely that Ms. Marinello could have sent two copies
with different signatures at the exact same time. This strongly
suggests to me the copy with COO was edited and posted after the
original was sent. I wonder by whom?
Best regards,
George John
*****************************
[FIDE-Chess Group version, posted Wed Apr 27 12:21:00 2005]
Subj: FROM BEATRIZ MARINELLO, USCF PRESIDENT
Date: 4/27/2005 1:08:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight
[SNIP]
Yours for Chess,
WIM Beatriz Marinello
President
US Chess Federation
*******************************
[rgcp version, Date: 27 Apr 2005 16:52:24 -0700]
Subj: FROM BEATRIZ MARINELLO, USCF PRESIDENT
Date: 4/27/2005 1:08:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
[SNIP]
WIM Beatriz Marinello
President & COO
US Chess Federation
WPraeder
an
independent publication of the Friends of the USCF (Volume 2,
number 1, May-June 1993.]
GOICHBERG DEFENDS PERSONAL JUDGMENT
PROMISES MORE OF SAME
NEW WINDSOR, N.Y., APRIL. 12--In a telephone interview of April 11,
USCF
presidential candidate William Goichberg denied using poor judgment
when
pressuring the USCF Policy Board to allocate up to $1,000 to
investigate five-
time U.S. chess champion Larry Evans. If elected, Mr. Goichberg pledged
to
employ the same standards of judgment on other questions.
"The only thing that I would do differently," said Goichberg, "is to
investigate suspects at private expense, since we felt obliged to
reimburse
the USCF for the Pinkerton bills after the findings disproved my theory
about
Evans."
Questions about Goichberg's judgment have arisen after a USCF-funded
Pinkerton
investigation concluded that mailing labels on an anti-Semitic hit
letter from
the Eddis-Schultz campaign were NOT photocopies of labels used by
Grandmaster
Evans in a mailing of his own.
"What set the whole thing off," said Vice President Frank Camaratta,
chairman
of the committee that investigated GM Evans, "was Bill Goichberg
insisting
these were copies. The way he presented it, it was difficult to turn
your back
on that."
Poor Judgment?
GM Evans and others have criticized Goichberg's judgment in light not
only of
Evans' exoneration but also of Goichberg's methodology. States Evans,
"I also
received a hit letter from San Luis Obispo and simply took the envelope
to a
photocopy store and asked a clerk if the label was an original or a
copy. The
clerk answered in about five seconds -- it was an original. Then, I
contacted
an eminent police documents examiner and received his opinion that it
was an
original. The cost was only $50 -- not the $670 billed to the USCF!"
Goichberg critics argue that before pressuring the Policy Board to
undertake
what turned out to be a baseless and, they say, embarrassing
investigatioon,
he ought to have done his homework like Evans did. Says Goichberg in
reply, "I
acted on the basis of a reasonable theory. The theory was obviously
mistaken,
but there was no attempt to manufacture evidence."
One Goichberg supporter says, "Look, Bill got caught up in Jerry
Hanken's
witch-hunt hysteria. McCarthyism has no place in chess. I know that.
But
Goichberg is an institution, and he shouldn't be judged by this single
lapse
any more than we should condemn Denis Barry for once opposing
no-smoking
rules in tournaments."
--
Larry Parr
Randy Bauer
"Mike Nolan" <no...@gw.tssi.com> wrote in message
news:d4ra8l$ce5$1...@gw.tssi.com...
> "George John" <geo...@neosoft.com> writes:
>
>>I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?
>
> I am wondering who changed the signature block on Beatriz's e-mail when
> it was reposted to rec.games.chess.politics? The copies of the e-mail I
> received all read:
>
> Yours for Chess,
>
> WIM Beatriz Marinello
> President
> US Chess Federation
>
> What was posted to rgcp (from a phony address via googlegroups)
> was 'President and COO'.
I think we can draw our own conclusions on who might have wished to create a
controversy about Beatriz sending out this email. It's interesting that Sam
Sloan sees nothing wrong with Secretary Don Schultz endorsing candidates.
Using his logic, it shouldn't be an issue for the USCF President to endorse
candidates either -- and in fact she endorsed me in the special election as
well.
Ergo, the only stink Sam Sloan can raise is if she signed it as the Chief
Operating Officer. She didn't.
Hmmmm, really makes you wonder who might have changed her letter in posting
it to RGCP.
Randy Bauer
ches...@aol.com
night before it went to the printer. Those endorsements could have
decided this election which will be close.as floridaCHESS only comes
out 4 times a year and won't come out again until after the election.
She is a smart politician and almost had a coup. Luckily, I found out
about this somewhere between the eleventh hour and midnight and managed
to match her thrust having my endorsements printed side by side with
hers. We both had a laugh over our 4 to 4 tie, C'est la politique.
Sam Sloan
> [The following item appeared in the USCF Delegates Newsletter,
>an
> independent publication of the Friends of the USCF (Volume 2,
>
> number 1, May-June 1993.]
>
> GOICHBERG DEFENDS PERSONAL JUDGMENT
> PROMISES MORE OF SAME
>
>NEW WINDSOR, N.Y., APRIL. 12--In a telephone interview of April 11,
>USCF
>presidential candidate William Goichberg denied using poor judgment
>when
>pressuring the USCF Policy Board to allocate up to $1,000 to
>investigate five-
>time U.S. chess champion Larry Evans. If elected, Mr. Goichberg pledged
>to
>employ the same standards of judgment on other questions.
Why does Wayne Praeder bring up this well known item from 12 years ago
which has been hashed and rehashed in thousands of endless emails and
Internet postings and the like, when we are facing vastly more serious
items and issues today?
Sam Sloan
Sam Sloan
I do not object to Beatriz Marinello endorsing the four of you as
candidates. Indeed I have several times referred to you four as "The
Beatriz Marinello Gang."
I think you are making a big mistake to run together as a team, but if
you want to run that way it is up to you.
My objections were that the letter was signed "Chief Operating Oficer"
and it was sent to the Official USCF E-Mail list.
However, now we do not know if these things are true. We do not know
if somebody tampered with and changed the wording and apparently it
was not sent to the official USCF E-Mail list. We do not even know
whether Beatriz wrote and sent it. I hope that we will find out the
answers to these questions soon.
Sam Sloan
Gandy
wished to create a controversy about Beatriz sending out this email. >>
You and George John parrot each other all the time. You should run as one
candidate. Do you two shower together? Have you both pledged to give your
wives to Marinello in exchange for her endorsement? I guess you will do
anything for a dollar.
Mike Nolan
>My objections were that the letter was signed "Chief Operating Oficer"
>and it was sent to the Official USCF E-Mail list.
Neither of which are true.
>However, now we do not know if these things are true. We do not know
>if somebody tampered with and changed the wording and apparently it
>was not sent to the official USCF E-Mail list. We do not even know
>whether Beatriz wrote and sent it. I hope that we will find out the
>answers to these questions soon.
Beatriz just e-mailed me and said that she sent the letter using the
addresses in her AOL address book. She did NOT post it to the FIDE
list or to rgcp, and she did NOT sign it as 'COO'.
Why are people not outraged that her letter was tampered with? Wouldn't you
be outraged if someone altered your signature block and then the alternation
was used to attack you?
--
Mike Nolan
parrt...@cs.com
addresses in her AOL address book. She did NOT post it to the FIDE
Subj: Re: FROM BEATRIZ MARINELLO, USCF PRESIDENT
Date: 4/28/2005 6:09:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: princet...@yahoo.com
Reply-to: fide-...@yahoogroups.com
PrincetonGrad87 is not the e-mail that the letter was sent to. It
was sent to the e-mail address that I registered with the USCF. My Dad
donated a lot of money to chess and the USCF for years and he's simply
disgusted with what's going on.
Andy
The Historian
chess...@aol.com wrote:
> I found out that Beatriz had sent her endorsements to floridaCHESS
the
> night before it went to the printer. Those endorsements could have
> decided this election which will be close.as floridaCHESS only comes
> out 4 times a year and won't come out again until after the election.
> She is a smart politician and almost had a coup.
Folks, does this remind you of a few years ago? Remember that chess
politician that rushed a fictitious graph into print to influence a
USCF election? Thank goodness ChessDonnie the Weasel was around to
protect us from such things!
Mike Nolan
>PrincetonGrad87 is not the e-mail that the letter was sent to. It
>was sent to the e-mail address that I registered with the USCF. My Dad
>donated a lot of money to chess and the USCF for years and he's simply
>disgusted with what's going on.
What address WAS used? Have you ever written to Beat...@aol.com,
which is Beatriz's e-mail address, from that address? Have you ever
written a letter that someone else forwarded to Beatriz?
Unless you want to come forth with more information, your credibility is
still somewhat suspect.
--
Mike Nolan
Spam Scone
Typical Sam "Convicted Felon" tactics. Yet another new poster emerges
to smear Bauer, John, et al.
michael adams
> Why does Wayne Praeder bring up this well known item from 12 years ago
> which has been hashed and rehashed in thousands of endless emails and
> Internet postings and the like, when we are facing vastly more serious
> items and issues today?
>
> Sam Sloan
Why don't (you & yours) keep these 'vastly more serious items & issues'
in your own section [rgcp]? The filthy, shitty boredom of deleting you
pettifogging arseholes is not worth the trouble. Are you out of viagra -
you wizened 62yr.old prick?..
USCF Skum
credibility is still somewhat suspect.
> --
credibility, yet they violate every by-law every time they do something,
they could care less, and they talk around every violation because it is
"minor." So why even have any by-laws? And what kind of scumbag would ignore
the substantive issue, which is that the President of the USCF is tampering
with the election process. Nobody denies she is actively trying to put her
hand on the scales. She and her buddies are the ones counting the votes. The
USCF does not send its ballots to Price Waterhouse for counting, so you can
bet the elections will be as rigged as the process has been.
Some candidate will whore out his own wife and sister to Beatriz for a
chance to rob the till! These are the people leading Chess in America!!
ches...@aol.com
hand on the scales. She and her buddies are the ones counting the
votes. The
USCF does not send its ballots to Price Waterhouse for counting, so you
can
bet the elections will be as rigged as the process has been."
The ballots will indeed be sent to a reputable accounting firm: Our
former auditor Nugent & Haeussler PC.
They will be retained by Nugent and Haeussler until the day of the
count.
The count will be done at the Nugent and Haeussler conference room
under the supervision of former President of the Chess Journalists of
America Pete Tamburro. Pete's honesty and Impartiality are recognized
by all involved. Depending on his health Glenn Petersen will be working
with Pete.
All candidates or their representative can attend the count which will
be done in the open.
Assisting Pete and Glenn in doing the count will be USCF staff.
The count will be done July 20 and if necessary continue into July 21.
Don Schultz,
Secretary
michael adams
>
> "Mike Nolan" <> Unless you want to come forth with more information, your
> credibility is still somewhat suspect.
> > --
> What a shock. Anyone that calls out the USCF scumbags has a suspect
> credibility, yet they violate every by-law every time they do something,
> they could care less, and they talk around every violation because it is
> "minor."
Yeah, we know all this..
>So why even have any by-laws? And what kind of scumbag would ignore
> the substantive issue, which is that the President of the USCF is tampering
> with the election process. Nobody denies she is actively trying to put her
> hand on the scales. She and her buddies are the ones counting the votes. The
> USCF does not send its ballots to Price Waterhouse for counting, so you can
> bet the elections will be as rigged as the process has been.
>
> Some candidate will whore out his own wife and sister to Beatriz for a
> chance to rob the till! These are the people leading Chess in America!!
Kunt! you are a piece of irrelevant sun-dried dog crud - that said, pls.
try to restrict pendage-pulling & fuk off out of my world..
Chess Freak
It seems you are still suffering from a severe case of foot-in-mouth
syndrom. One would think that after the "Peter Leko is dead" fiasco
you would have learned something. Alas, you've learned nothing and
have become the Clown Prince of Chess.
May the Patrion Goddess of Chess Players, Caissa, show no mercy towards
you!
- CF
"Sam Sloan" <sl...@ishipress.com> wrote in message news:427069a3...@ca.news.verio.net...
| The Mother of All Conflicts of Interest has Occurred with the Chief
| Operating Officer of the USCF using the official USCF mailing list to
| mail out a campaign letter supporting Randy Bauer, Steve Shutt,
| Elizabeth Shaughnessy and George John for election.
|
| Never in the history of the USCF has such a thing occured. When Al
| Lawrence was Executive Director, he certainly did not like me and
| wanted me to be defeated, but he always remained absolutely neutral in
| the election and would never have interfered.
|
| By contrast, Beatriz Marinello has sent out a letter signed by her as
| both USCF President and Chief Operating Officer, endorsing candidates
| for election.
|
| Unspeakably outrageous. I would like to ask: Do Randy Bauer, Steve
| Shutt, Elizabeth Shaughnessy and George John approve of these tactics
| taken in their behalf?
|
| Sam Sloan
Jermaine
day of the
> count.>
And if Marinello drops by and mentions that she won't be paying them unless
she can take a look at the ballots, who will be reporting the news?
Considering how everything else is done at the USCF, what credibility does
Nugent, etc. have?
As far as I know, they are just a CPA firm, one of thousands in any major
city. And for a couple of thousand dollars in their till, what interest do
they have in an honest election? It is no violation of any CPA rule for them
to leave the room with the ballot box open when Marinello drops by.
They are accountants, not Security Guards. There is nobody with a rifle
standing by the ballots day and night. Probably hundreds of people have
access to them directly or have sat in the same room with them without even
knowing about it. Those ballots are not in a Bank Vault.
parrt...@cs.com
More than anything else, conflicts of interest and hidden agendas
have led to the point where chess abandons its center for the middle of
nowhere without a building.
One need merely look at the Byzantine membership form as a microcosm
to understand how the USCF has been twisted into the most unnatural
shapes. The next board must clean the Augean stables.
We have just witnessed a sitting president appointed COO with $60,000
in annualized "expenses," and that president then sends out a letter of
support for most of the people who gave her the eats and rooms and air
tickets as COO.
This is a PRECEDENT.
Just as The Four currently look for examples in the past to justify
this kind of thing (there may actually be no such examples) so in the
future when still greater outrages occur, which may actually mean the
final moments of the USCF or, if you will, BMCF, there will be those
who quote the current Board's and Mrs. Marinello's actions as
precedents for something yet worse. They will note that these actions
were defended by this board. Therefore, they are valid precedents.
Certainly, no marketing person worth his salt will ever work in
Cross-to-Bear with such disastrous goings-on. The moment such a person
sets up a successful ad or sales program, he KNOWS with certitude that
a Board member will be there to snatch the job and the bonuses.
That's the way events will unfold because that's the way they MUST
unfold unless the precedents established here are are decisively
overturned, rejected, and legally plowed under.
Yet we are told that Randy Bauer is a good and honorable man. So are
they all. All honorable men (and woman).
parrt...@cs.com
>Technically speaking, I'm not certain she is the COO, since the motion
that made her the VCOO had an explicit ending date of March 31, 2005,
and I can find nowhere in the record anything that extended that term >
George John
>George, I consider this a major problem. Beatriz is needed right now
to finish what has been started. Too much would fall between the cracks
if she dosen't continue for another month or so. I have, by email,
notified the EB that we are in violation of bylaws because Beatriz is,
out of necessity, continuing to act as coo/ed without board
authorization.> -- Don Schultz
So, then, if Don Schultz is correct in stating that Beatriz
Marinello continues to act as COO and, presumably, still receives all
of those "expenses," then even George John's single attempt to justify
a COO signing a campaign letter, weak as it was, appears to be another
sad joke.
She did NOT leave the office in March 31; she remains as COO; she
still gets the moolah, even as she endorses those who give her the
moolah.
We must now assume, I think, if the Schultz statement is
correct, that The Four do hold it right and proper that the COO, the
highest employee in the office, endorse those who give her the eats and
the trips and the hotel rooms.
For these people, that's fine and dandy. Because they MUST say
it is fine and dandy. Otherwise, their political careers in the USCF
are finished.
parrt...@cs.com
<I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?>
<The fact that a USCF member named Andy gave his e-mail address and on
the FIDE newsgroup said he subscribed to the official USCF e-mail list
and that's where he received the endorsement from Beatriz who signed it
as both president and chief operating officer.>
It looks like Andy, whose father said he was disgusted at what's
happening at the USCF, has had enough abuse over at the FIDE Newsgroup.
He unsubscribed.
Subj: [fide-chess] Please remove
Date: 4/29/2005 10:05:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: princet...@yahoo.com
Reply-to: fide-...@yahoogroups.com
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Please remove my membership on fide-chess. I received a number of nasty
threats from someone by the name of Booz today. The content of the
e-mail was quite vulgar. I don't know who this person is but he sounded
like a psycho. I want no part of him.
Andy
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
fide-chess-...@yahoogroups.com
Wick
Gee, another anonymouse hit and run.
I find this completely convincing.
NOT.
Wick Deer
StanB
"Angelo DePalma" <adpspamme...@tellurian.net> wrote in message
news:6JydnaJ4uP7...@garden.net...
>
> Who paid for the mailing?
How much does can Email broadcast cost?
StanB
> sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>>Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which required
>>use of USCF resources for its creation.
>
She probably has a billion chess-names in her address book. Why would she
need to use a USCF list?
StanB
"George John" <geo...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
news:1114711847.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>> Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which required
>> use of USCF resources for its creation.
>>
> use.
>
> [SNIP]
>
> I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?
Sam never lets facts get in the way of the truth.
StanB
<parrt...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114712718.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> THE SPIN CONTINUES
>
> > Except that Beatriz used the Official USCF E-mail List which
>
> <I am wondering what facts, if any, support Sam Sloan's allegations?>
>
> e-mail list and that's where he received the endorsement from Beatriz
> who signed it as both president and chief operating officer.
They are not necessarily facts. Andy who? Andy Troung? If true, blah, blah,
and blah.
StanB
"Neil Clarkson" <clar...@mobility.com> wrote in message
news:wrbce.133492$vK6....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> "George John" I think it highly unlikely that Ms. Marinello could have
> sent
> two copies with different signatures at the exact same time. This
> strongly
> suggests to me the copy with COO was edited and posted after the original
> was sent. I wonder by whom?
>>
> Jesus, what a scumbag you are. BTW, are you going to let Marinello sleep
> with your wife as part of the deal?
Get back on your meds Charlie.
StanB
"WPraeder" <wpra...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1114727502.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> [The following item appeared in the USCF Delegates Newsletter,
> an
> independent publication of the Friends of the USCF (Volume 2,
>
> number 1, May-June 1993.]
>
> GOICHBERG DEFENDS PERSONAL JUDGMENT
> PROMISES MORE OF SAME
>
> NEW WINDSOR, N.Y., APRIL. 12--In a telephone interview of April 11,
> USCF
> presidential candidate William Goichberg denied using poor judgment
> when
> pressuring the USCF Policy Board to allocate up to $1,000 to
> investigate five-
> time U.S. chess champion Larry Evans. If elected, Mr. Goichberg pledged
> to
> employ the same standards of judgment on other questions.
>
> "The only thing that I would do differently," said Goichberg, "is to
> investigate suspects at private expense, since we felt obliged to
> reimburse
> the USCF for the Pinkerton bills after the findings disproved my theory
> about
> Evans."
>
> Questions about Goichberg's judgment have arisen after a USCF-funded
> Pinkerton
> investigation concluded that mailing labels on an anti-Semitic hit
> letter from
> the Eddis-Schultz campaign were NOT photocopies of labels used by
> Grandmaster
> Evans in a mailing of his own.
>
> "What set the whole thing off," said Vice President Frank Camaratta,
> chairman
> of the committee that investigated GM Evans, "was Bill Goichberg
> insisting
> these were copies. The way he presented it, it was difficult to turn
> your back
> on that."
>
> Poor Judgment?
>
> GM Evans and others have criticized Goichberg's judgment in light not
> only of
> Evans' exoneration but also of Goichberg's methodology. States Evans,
> "I also
> received a hit letter from San Luis Obispo and simply took the envelope
> to a
> photocopy store and asked a clerk if the label was an original or a
> copy. The
> clerk answered in about five seconds -- it was an original. Then, I
> contacted
> an eminent police documents examiner and received his opinion that it
> was an
> original. The cost was only $50 -- not the $670 billed to the USCF!"
>
> Goichberg critics argue that before pressuring the Policy Board to
> undertake
> what turned out to be a baseless and, they say, embarrassing
> investigatioon,
> he ought to have done his homework like Evans did. Says Goichberg in
> reply, "I
> acted on the basis of a reasonable theory. The theory was obviously
> mistaken,
> but there was no attempt to manufacture evidence."
>
> One Goichberg supporter says, "Look, Bill got caught up in Jerry
> Hanken's
> witch-hunt hysteria. McCarthyism has no place in chess. I know that.
> But
> Goichberg is an institution, and he shouldn't be judged by this single
> lapse
> any more than we should condemn Denis Barry for once opposing
> no-smoking
> rules in tournaments."
> --
> Larry Parr
>
StanB
"Jermaine" <Jac...@jootsie.com> wrote in message
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> And if Marinello drops by and mentions that she won't be paying them
> unless
> she can take a look at the ballots, who will be reporting the news?
> Considering how everything else is done at the USCF, what credibility does
> Nugent, etc. have?
>
> As far as I know, they are just a CPA firm, one of thousands in any major
> city. And for a couple of thousand dollars in their till, what interest do
> they have in an honest election? It is no violation of any CPA rule for
> them
> to leave the room with the ballot box open when Marinello drops by.
They have a duty to withdraw from the engagement under your hypothetical
scenario.
Tool
the deal?>
> Get back on your meds Charlie.>
You would rent her your daughter for a favorable mention in Chess Life
Tool
hypothetical scenario.>
>
A CPA firm is not Pinkerton's. Their only obligation is to honestly count
the ballots that they receive on the day the election is over. Marinello and
the people involved can rig the election in dozens of ways. Not the least of
which is by sending in ballots for expired memberships that are still on the
books. All the people that Marinello knows did not get any ballots, but
which still show up on the member roster and whose votes will be totally
valid in the eyes of the CPA firm which can only check voters against the
roster that the USCF provides.
That is one example of how easy it would be to rig the election without the
CPA firm participating. But I still think that they are only obligated to
count the ballots, not to maintain security over them. Therefore Marinello
could save on postage and instead of mailing in the expired members' votes
she could just drop them into the box at the CPA firm's office. Either way,
the USCF election is as easy to rig as the typical Student Government
elections run at any school. Who wins depends on the Administrators.
Angelo DePalma
"StanB" <stan...@comXXXcast.net> wrote
> How much does can Email broadcast cost?
This is what Sam wrote:
The Mother of All Conflicts of Interest has Occurred with the Chief
Operating Officer of the USCF using the official USCF mailing list to
mail out a campaign letter
SNIP
... Beatriz Marinello has sent out a letter signed by her as
both USCF President and Chief Operating Officer...
I assumed that "mailing list" and "a letter" and "signed" mean it was a
physical letter, not email.
Did you get a copy Stan?
StanB
<parrt...@cs.com> wrote in message
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> Please remove my membership on fide-chess. I received a number of nasty
> threats from someone by the name of Booz today. The content of the
> e-mail was quite vulgar. I don't know who this person is but he sounded
> like a psycho. I want no part of him.
>
> Andy
This is bullshit. Poor Charlie doesn't have the balls to sign his own name.
Andy indeed? I think not.
George John
It was an e-mail, and it was not signed " and Chief Operating Officer".
There was a forged copy that added " & COO" and was posted to rgcp. I
received two copies of the e-mail.
Best regards,
George John
Mike Nolan
>"StanB" <> They have a duty to withdraw from the engagement under your
>hypothetical scenario.>
>>
>A CPA firm is not Pinkerton's. Their only obligation is to honestly count
>the ballots that they receive on the day the election is over.
In fact, their only obligation is to receive the ballots and provide a
count of the total number of ballots received, then turn them over to the
chief teller (Peter Tamburo) for counting.
All ballots have to be authenticated with the voter's name and address,
which is done at the printer as part of the binding and mailing process.
--
Mike Nolan
StanB
"Tool" <to...@tom.com> wrote in message
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No but you probably would Charlie.
StanB
> "StanB" <> They have a duty to withdraw from the engagement under your
> hypothetical scenario.>
>>
> A CPA firm is not Pinkerton's. Their only obligation is to honestly count
> the ballots that they receive on the day the election is over.
Not correct. They have an obligation to certify the results of the election.
To do so, they must maintain controls to prevent fraud. Sorry your
speculation is wrong but then what would you know about it?
StanB
>
SNIP
>
> ... Beatriz Marinello has sent out a letter signed by her as
> both USCF President and Chief Operating Officer...
>
> I assumed that "mailing list" and "a letter" and "signed" mean it was a
> physical letter, not email.
Never assume because you make an ASS of U and ME. The part that she used an
USCF list and signed it COO has since been shown to be untrue. The
accusation was generated by an anonymouse complaint that Parr and Sloan ran
with.
Schloimie
do so, they must maintain controls to prevent fraud.>>
They Certify The RESULTS. They don't have to certify the process. They are
accountants, not security guards. They count ballots. How the ballots get
there is not their responsibility.
If you want to claim differently, provide an URL to their contract with the
USCF? Show where it says that they are responsible for the security of the
ballots, and where it says that the USCF skum officials are BARRED from any
contact with the ballots?
Even if you did that, it does not stop Marinello for voting on behalf of all
expired/non-renewed members who she has not deleted from the membership
rolls.
parrt...@cs.com
George, I was in charge of the office during the previous EB election.
I did not campaign for anyone or express a preference in any way. I was
strictly neutral. Had I engaged in political campaigning I would have
been promptly fired, and properly so, and I am sure that you would have
supported my firing.
It makes quite a difference when the person campaiging is the major
backer of your "slate," doesn't it?
-- Bill Goichberg
Paul Rubin
> "StanB" < They have an obligation to certify the results of the election. To
> do so, they must maintain controls to prevent fraud.>>
>
> They Certify The RESULTS. They don't have to certify the process. They are
> accountants, not security guards. They count ballots. How the ballots get
> there is not their responsibility.
How do the ballots get to them? I always guessed that the voters
mailed the ballots directly to the accountants.
AlfieClarkson
voters mailed the ballots directly to the accountants.>
Sure, but A) That does not stop Marinello from mailing in votes for all of
the non-renewed, expired members whose name are still on the member roster
because she has not updated the roster in anticipation of the election; or
B) She is the Prez and the Client of the CPA firm. She has a right to visit
the firm and to ask to make sure the ballots are OK. Maybe she wants to see
how many have voted? Does anyone keep track of her visits to the CPA? Are
the ballots all kept sealed in their mailed envelopes until they election is
over? Are they opened as they arrive and put into a folder or a ballot box?
Is there any rule preventing the USCF Prez from checking the ballots before
the election is over? And even if there was such a rule, who will report a
violation? The USCF violates its own rules every time they meet.
The CPA firm? They are just innocent people minding their own business. If
Marinello has only one friend at the firm, the odds are that she can do
whatever she wants with the ballots as long as she says that she is just
"inspecting" them to help insure an "honest" election.
WPraeder
Larry,
I would not agree that Bill Goichberg was nonpartisan while ED but in
my opinion he is absolutely correct regarding the previous EB election.
A copy of the election correspondence sent to me can be found at
http://members.aol.com/wpraeder/letter.htm . I would maintain that
those responsible for such correspondence with the candidates must
remain impartial.
Regards,
Wayne Praeder
parrt...@cs.com
What a sad joke! George John is purposively missing the point. I
can't blame him, given his position, but Chrissakes, nonetheless.
The point is not that Beatriz Marinello signed herself as the COO,
though she may have done so on some letters, but whether she IS the COO
and whether she sent out a political mailing endorsing those who voted
to hire her.
George John then tried to argue she is an apples kind of COO as
opposed to the oranges kind. If true, then there is no reason, given
his logic, why she cannot continue to send out mailings as either a
signed or unsigned COO.
This is the sad logic. The precedent has been set.
The only distinction between George and a Randy Bauer is
that the former has enough conscience not to counterattack but to find
excuses for the inexcusable. Mr. Bauer feels there's no need for
excuses so long as it will eventually fly in court.
I still support Mr. John because a split board in which no
faction has real control is the best bet for the Federation. He is the
best among a not so nice bunch.
Vince Hart
parrt...@cs.com wrote:
> The only distinction between George and a Randy Bauer is
> that the former has enough conscience not to counterattack but to
find
> excuses for the inexcusable.
This from the man who excuses Sam Sloan's exploitation of child
prostitutes on the grounds that he was merely doing the same thing that
soldiers on leave did.
Vince Hart
StanB
"Schloimie" <chas...@kosher.com> wrote in message
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> They Certify The RESULTS. They don't have to certify the process. They are
> accountants, not security guards. They count ballots. How the ballots get
> there is not their responsibility.
You obviously don't know much about certified public accountants and what
they require to certify results.
StanB
"AlfieClarkson" <hy...@clarkson.com> wrote in message
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> The CPA firm? They are just innocent people minding their own business. If
> Marinello has only one friend at the firm, the odds are that she can do
> whatever she wants with the ballots as long as she says that she is just
> "inspecting" them to help insure an "honest" election.
Conspiracy theories don't really impress many rational people.
Joey
and what they require to certify results.>
You obviously have never seen the contract between the USCF and the CPA,
have no access to it, and have no idea what you are talking about. You are
as bad as Sam Sloan.