Oh god, "All In"
Omaha Chris
Why is every post-boom poker movie awful?
Shade, Aces, High Roller, etc. Lucky You wasn't nearly in the same
league of terrible, but it was no picnic either. They all make Rounders
look sublime.
I guess once poker got big, every C-grade movie producer in LA decided
he had to get his piece of the straight-to-video pie.
I am suffering, but I will bear the rest of this. I will need to take
frequent breaks.
Omaha Chris
All fucking time.
Son of a bitch.
lawh...@hiwaay.net
Chris:
I know some people who were involved in the making of James Cameron's
"Titanic" movie. Titanic was a big hit, but even that movie went
through the Hollywood process before it was finally released to the
theatres. The Hollywood process means that a "project" has to be
pitched to a studio executive and get "green lighted" with a
production budget. (And woe be unto the director who exceeds his
budget.) After production wraps, the movie is shown to "test
audiences" (picked at random) from various movie theatres around the
country. (I'm not certain about this, but I have heard that Cameron
conducted a test viewing of "Titanic" before an audience of about 300
people at the Mall of America in Minneapolis in June of 1997.)
Studio executives look for certain things in a "project" - such as a
romantic entanglement between a leading man and a leading lady - or
sometimes even a love triangle. Whatever the case, some type of "love
story" has to figure prominently in the plot. There has to be an
element of romantic tension. Of course, Titanic had all of that - in
spades. There has to be "drama" in the movie - which Titanic also had
in spades. The whole thing has to build to a dramatic climax - and
what can be more dramatic than watching a 46,000-ton leviathan sink
with hundreds of people dying in the process.
Contrast "Titanic" with your typical poker movie. Rounders was a
fluke as it came out before the poker boom - and it was a [relatively]
low budget flick. It doesn't happen that often, but Hollywood came
close to getting Rounders right. The problem with the more recent
poker movies (like "All-In") is that Hollywood is trying to apply the
standard movie-making "formula" to what is really a cult genre. (They
think they can treat poker the same way they treat everything else.)
They should either make a poker movie that is realistic and appeals to
poker players, or just forget about it. (I haven't seen the movie
about Stu Ungar starring Michael Imperioli, but some people have told
me that the Ungar movie was a half-way decent flick.)
>From the prespective of Hollywood studio execs, making a good "poker
movie" - a movie that actually makes some money - is a tough nut to
crack. After all, who in their right mind is going to pay $7.00 to
$10.00 to watch a bunch of old bald-headed fat guys sitting around a
poker table grunting and groaning? (Not your typical teenage
moviegoer - that's for sure!) The studio exec is probably thinking,
"Why should I pay you $50 million to make a movie about something I
can watch late night on ESPN for free?" So the director of a flick
like "All-In" has to jazz it up with Drew Barrymore. The end result
is a movie that's guaranteed to fail. The problem is that Hollywood
just doesn't get it when it comes to poker. If they were to
concentrate on making more "cult like" movies - kind of like the way
Roger Corman did with schlock horror flicks - that formula might
work. If Hollywood keeps trying to turn poker into an epic "Titanic"
style love story, they're bound to fail - unless they cast Phil Laak
and Jennifer Tilly in some kind of crazy love-story-turned-comedy
poker spoof. Hey, now THAT might work!
Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama
Omaha Chris
I do think a good poker movie is possible, but it would have to be more
of a slow, psychological mood piece. Hollywood doesn't foot the bill for
those kinds of movies anymore.
I guess we'll always have California Split. Though that wasn't exactly a
poker movie.
Cincinnati Kid was good too, but that was truly a movie of its era.
Pepe Papon
Casino Royale wasn't exactly a poker movie, but poker played a big
part in it.
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Harkness
> This post is more thoughtful than this thread deserves, but I hear you.
>
It also does nothing to explain All In -- it describes the process of
making big studio movies. All-In is a low-budget indie by a guy who
specializes in the same -- Nick Villalonga writes, directs, produces
and generally acts in small scale crime dramas.generally using actors
who are on the downward slide of a career, or in a mid career slump
(He got William L. Petersen in his slump between his 80s crime
thrillers and CSI, for example).
It does, I suspect, explain a lot of the problems with Lucky You,
though what kills that movie is the drippy relationship stuff, in
large part because a) the actors had no chemistry; and b) the
characters didn't make any sense together.
John Harkness
A Man Beaten by Jacks
>THIS IS THE WORST FUCKING HORSESHIT EVER.
>Why is every post-boom poker movie awful?
I have literally not watched any of these movies which stank of shit from a
distance, though I made the mistake of watching an episode or two of Tilt.
Wild guess is that they're crap movies because they were created to cash in
for a quick buck. They figure you're a bunch of morons, so they can just
hire a shit writer, a shit director, then shoot a shitty script, put a couple
names in it, and the product they squat and squeeze out will sell.
Luckily none of this shit seems to have been terribly successful so there
isn't more of it than there is.
Compare a previous movie like The Cincinnati Kid or California Split.
Cincinnati Kid:
Writing: Ring Lardner AND Terry Southern
Directing: Norman Jewison
Stars: Steve McQueen, Edward G. Robinson, Ann-Margret, Tuesday
Weld, Karl Malden, Rip Torn
California Split:
Writing: Joseph Walsh (not a real name)
Directing: Robert Altman
Stars: George Segal and Elliott Gould (even a young Jeff Goldblum)
Then look at the clowns involved in these crap poker movies.
Except for a couple name actors with questionable taste in the
scripts they pick, not much talent around.
A Man Beaten by Jacks
wrote:
>I know some people who were involved in the making of James Cameron's
>"Titanic" movie. Titanic was a big hit, but even that movie went
>through the Hollywood process before it was finally released to the
>theatres. The Hollywood process means that a "project" has to be
>pitched to a studio executive and get "green lighted" with a
>production budget. (And woe be unto the director who exceeds his
>budget.) After production wraps, the movie is shown to "test
>audiences" (picked at random) from various movie theatres around the
>country. (I'm not certain about this, but I have heard that Cameron
>conducted a test viewing of "Titanic" before an audience of about 300
>people at the Mall of America in Minneapolis in June of 1997.)
This is why movies in general suck. The way a movie should be made is
find a director capable of directing, throw a lot of money at him, and fuck
off until he's done. If you pick the directors right, you're guaranteed a
ROI in the long run, and for that matter, good and even great movies.
Irish Mike
agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final hand
was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
"California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it. Kind
of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
Irish Mike
"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in message
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bjgka...@aol.com
> I haven't seen "All In" but have it on my Blockbuster online movie list. I
> agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final hand
> was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
> "California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it. Kind
> of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
>
> Irish Mike
Your criticism of "California Split" demonstrates your complete lack
of understanding of acting, gamblers, and, above all, the poker life
in Gardena in the 1970's, which still exists in many poker rooms.
In all of your much touted experience of different poker rooms, you
apparentely never really appreciated what was going on around you.
That's understandable, considering your narrow view of life and your
self-centeredness, which is typical of an untreated alcoholic. In
fact, I completely understand why you didn't get "California Split."
Barbara Gallamore
>
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in messagenews:h62df3dbbn6vb6qps...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:04:16 -0700, Omaha Chris <cpsa...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> > scripts they pick, not much talent around.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
hanks
On Sep 23 2007 9:44 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> I haven't seen "All In" but have it on my Blockbuster online movie list. I
> agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final hand
> was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
> "California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it. Kind
> of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" wrote in message
> news:h62df3dbbn6vb6qps...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:04:16 -0700, Omaha Chris
Mike,
I think you have to have been around Gardena in the 60's 70's & 80's
(like me) to really appreciate CA split.
PS I've been enjoying your reports, keep em coming.
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Omaha Chris
> I haven't seen "All In" but have it on my Blockbuster online movie list. I
> agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final hand
> was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
> "California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it. Kind
> of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
Don't ever watch a Robert Altman movie for the plot!
I think his aim is to get you with impressions and emotions, not coherence.
And as far as that goes, this movie somehow captures and imparts the
"feeling" of gambling (at least for me) better than any other movie I've
seen.
Also, I don't play poker in southern Cal, but the northern Cal rooms
still feel like the one portrayed at the beginning of this movie (only
difference now is no smoking). No movie has captured this with the same
knack.
Harkness
> On Sep 23, 8:44?am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen "All In" but have it on my Blockbuster online movie list. I
> > agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final hand
> > was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
> > "California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it. Kind
> > of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> Your criticism of "California Split" demonstrates your complete lack
> of understanding of acting, gamblers, and, above all, the poker life
> in Gardena in the 1970's, which still exists in many poker rooms.
>
> In all of your much touted experience of different poker rooms, you
> apparentely never really appreciated what was going on around you.
> That's understandable, considering your narrow view of life and your
> self-centeredness, which is typical of an untreated alcoholic. In
> fact, I completely understand why you didn't get "California Split."
>
> Barbara Gallamore
>
Oh, snap!
Maybe Mike should get someone to read your post to him.
John Harkness
bjgka...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
If they did, he'd probably respond with his usual attacks on me,
calling me various vulgar names, which only proves my point. :)
Barbara Gallamore
Paul Popinjay
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> I never though[t] "California Split" was any where near as good as some
> RGPers rate it. Kind of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
>
Nothing in film has ever captured Old Gardena like this film did. What is
your fucking problem, Mike? Did you only recently start playing poker?
How could the subtlety of this film whoosh over your head? You're an idiot,
Mike. Seriously. Whatta maroon!
-Paul Popinjay
jd00123
On Sep 23 2007 5:33 PM, bjgka...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sep 23, 1:43?pm, Harkness wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 1:03 pm, "bjgkara...@aol.com" wrote:
He has a nice chip collection though................
Irish Mike
same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
place.
Irish Mike
"Harkness" <cali...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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bjgka...@aol.com
> I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
> same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
> Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
> frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
> place.
>
> Irish Mike
John, see what I mean? He just proved my point.
Barbara Gallamore
>
> "Harkness" <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190583821....@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 1:03 pm, "bjgkara...@aol.com" <bjgkara...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 23, 8:44?am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >> > I haven't seen "All In" but have it on my Blockbuster online movie
> >> > list. I
> >> > agree that The Cincinnati Kid is a good poker movie although the final
> >> > hand
> >> > was about as realistic as William Shatner's toupee. I never though
> >> > "California Split" was any where near as good as some RGPers rate it.
> >> > Kind
> >> > of a silly plot line made worse by wooden acting.
>
> >> > Irish Mike
>
> >> Your criticism of "California Split" demonstrates your complete lack
> >> of understanding of acting, gamblers, and, above all, the poker life
> >> in Gardena in the 1970's, which still exists in many poker rooms.
>
> >> In all of your much touted experience of different poker rooms, you
> >> apparentely never really appreciated what was going on around you.
> >> That's understandable, considering your narrow view of life and your
> >> self-centeredness, which is typical of an untreated alcoholic. In
> >> fact, I completely understand why you didn't get "California Split."
>
> >> Barbara Gallamore
>
> > Oh, snap!
>
> > Maybe Mike should get someone to read your post to him.
>
> > John Harkness- Hide quoted text -
Paul Popinjay
>I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
>same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
>Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
>frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
>place.
>
> Irish Mike
>
Maybe she's been making a living off of poker since way before you decided
to take up poker as a hobby, Mike, and thus has a better appreciation of the
reality that California Split conveys.
And she's right about you. You are vulgar and you ought to be ashamed of
yourself, cocksucker.
Edward
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:rSDJi.35426$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
> >same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
> >Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
> >frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
> >place.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> Maybe she's been making a living off of poker since way before you decided
> to take up poker
And maybe she hasn't.
What are you? Her fuckin bookkeeper?
bjgka...@aol.com
Then again, maybe he's been reading rgp for awhile and knows my
history.
Barbara Gallamore
Paul Popinjay
>
> What are you? Her fuckin bookkeeper?
>
And what are you, MY fucking bookkeeper? I've played for years in the same
environment that Barbara has. I cut my teeth in Gardena. If I remember
correctly, in a recent post you didn't even realize that California doesn't
take percentage drops. That's because you are not a Californian. So if you
don't know what the fuck you're talking about, perhaps you should just shut
the fuck up. You and Irish Mike both, should probably just shut the fuck
up, because neither of you know what the fuck you're talking about. Come on
out here, Edward, and play for a decade or two in our cardrooms and then
maybe I'll talk with you. Or maybe not. But I'll stand by my comment,
Irish Mike is obviously not a polished or accomplished poker player if he
does not appreciate the movie California Split. He is apparently a relative
newcomer to the game and plays merely as a hobby. I would guess that he
gets some kind of monthly check and is probably a break-even player at best.
-Paul Popinjay
Edward
> "Edward" <edwardr121...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > What are you? Her fuckin bookkeeper?
>
> And what are you, MY fucking bookkeeper? I've played for years in the same
> environment that Barbara has. I cut my teeth in Gardena.
Doing what? Tending bar? Coat check?
DaVoice
"Irish Mike" <mjo...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
>same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
>Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
>frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
>place.
>
> Irish Mike
HANDS OFF BARBARA GALLAMORE! She and I are just about as polar opposite as
you can get when it comes to politics, but she is one of the GOOD PEOPLE in
poker. We have had other conversations and have a lot of things in common.
She has made a living playing the game we all love for a LONG time. She has
life experiences that none of us have, and probably won't ever have. I
thouroughly enjoy the times I've spent with Barbara, except that most of the
time she's ended up with my chips. She's a cool old broad, and I guarantee
you she won't be offended by being called that!
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> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:rSDJi.35426$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
> >same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
> >Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
> >frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
> >place.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> HANDS OFF BARBARA GALLAMORE! She and I are just about as polar opposite as
> you can get when it comes to politics, but she is one of the GOOD PEOPLE in
> poker. We have had other conversations and have a lot of things in common.
> She has made a living playing the game we all love for a LONG time. She has
> life experiences that none of us have, and probably won't ever have. I
> thouroughly enjoy the times I've spent with Barbara, except that most of the
> time she's ended up with my chips. She's a cool old broad, and I guarantee
> you she won't be offended by being called that!
>
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
Thanks, Rick. I appreciate the support and hope you're doing well
these days.
Barbara Gallamore
Edward
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>
> news:rSDJi.35426$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
> >same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
> >Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
> >frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
> >place.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> HANDS OFF BARBARA GALLAMORE! She and I are just about as polar opposite as
> you can get when it comes to politics, but she is one of the GOOD PEOPLE in
> poker. We have had other conversations and have a lot of things in common.
> She has made a living playing the game we all love for a LONG time. She has
> life experiences that none of us have, and probably won't ever have. I
> thouroughly enjoy the times I've spent with Barbara, except that most of the
> time she's ended up with my chips. She's a cool old broad, and I guarantee
> you she won't be offended by being called that!
>
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
Spoken like a true indebted beggar.
How much did she give you?
Irish Mike
entitled to mine. I never cared about here one way or the other until she
attacked me, criticized my (Catholic) religion and the fact that I am not
pro-abortion, as she is. So you can praise her all you want but to me she's
just an anti-Catholic, pro-murder bigot. BTW, the fact that she is an
alcoholic is something she posted on RGP.
As much as I hate to burst old Bab's bubble, the fact is I have played poker
in LA. In fact, I've played in all the major poker rooms in the area
including the Bike, Commerce, Crystal Park, Normandie, Hustler, Hawaiian
Gardens and Hollywood Park - plus Ocean's Eleven. I've also played all over
the country and, shocking as this may be, poker was not invented in Gardena.
As for the movie "California Split", sorry but I just didn't think it was
the Oscar contender old Babs seems to think it was. Yes, some of the
characters did resemble California poker players. But, here's a news flash,
those same local poker characters can be found in poker rooms all over the
country. They aren't unique to LA.
Irish Mike
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Paul Popinjay
>
> As much as I hate to burst old Bab's bubble, the fact is I have played
> poker in LA. In fact, I've played in all the major poker rooms in the
> area including the Bike, Commerce, Crystal Park, Normandie, Hustler,
> Hawaiian Gardens and Hollywood Park - plus Ocean's Eleven. I've also
> played all over the country and, shocking as this may be, poker was not
> invented in Gardena.
>
> As for the movie "California Split", sorry but I just didn't think it was
> the Oscar contender old Babs seems to think it was. Yes, some of the
> characters did resemble California poker players. But, here's a news
> flash, those same local poker characters can be found in poker rooms all
> over the country. They aren't unique to LA.
>
Thanks for confirming my suspicion. HA! You're a newb, Boob! Poker was
indeed "invented" in Gardena. Old Gardena was something special, something
unique, and California Split captured that uniqueness. Nobody said it
deserved an Oscar, numb nuts, but it sure the fuck was the best movie about
poker. What's your fucking problem, Mike?
-Paul Popinjay
dunn.d...@gmail.com
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
She may be a good person, but on this NG she comes across as a bitter
old lady.
FL Turbo
>On Sep 24, 7:33 am, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:rSDJi.35426$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> >I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are the
>> >same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and bitterness.
>> >Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie and she starts
>> >frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat in the first
>> >place.
>>
>> > Irish Mike
>>
>> HANDS OFF BARBARA GALLAMORE! She and I are just about as polar opposite as
>> you can get when it comes to politics, but she is one of the GOOD PEOPLE in
>> poker. We have had other conversations and have a lot of things in common.
>> She has made a living playing the game we all love for a LONG time. She has
>> life experiences that none of us have, and probably won't ever have. I
>> thouroughly enjoy the times I've spent with Barbara, except that most of the
>> time she's ended up with my chips. She's a cool old broad, and I guarantee
>> you she won't be offended by being called that!
>>
>> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>>
>
>She may be a good person, but on this NG she comes across as a bitter
>old lady.
Hey! Let's have none of that.
Even those of us in the VRWC think that Barbara is a classy Lady.
Irish Mike is just plain wrong on this one.
I still reserve the right to bash her about her political opinions,
but that's different.
Susan
"FL Turbo" <noe...@notime.com> wrote in message
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> Hey! Let's have none of that.
>
> Even those of us in the VRWC think that Barbara is a classy Lady.
> Irish Mike is just plain wrong on this one.
>
> I still reserve the right to bash her about her political opinions,
> but that's different.
I totally agree. Politically we are miles apart, but she never fails to
show class while spouting her *incorrect* views :-)
I'm not sure why Mike decided she should be his target, when there are so
many better ones here.
Susan
Irish Mike
Actually lass, it was the other way around. Old Babs Gallamore attacked me,
criticized my religion (Catholic) and the fact that I did not share her
pro-abortion views. Before she started that, I never cared about her one
way or the other. BTW, the fact that she is an alcoholic is something she
posted on RGP.
As I said before, every one is entitled to their own opinion. Old Babs may
be Mother Theresa in your view but she's just a mean spirited, bitter
anti-Catholic bigot in mine.
Irish Mike
"Susan" <sdbr...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>
> "FL Turbo" <noe...@notime.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Hey! Let's have none of that.
>>
>> Even those of us in the VRWC think that Barbara is a classy Lady.
>> Irish Mike is just plain wrong on this one.
>>
>> I still reserve the right to bash her about her political opinions,
>> but that's different.
>
> I totally agree. Politically we are miles apart, but she never fails to
> show class while spouting her *incorrect* views :-)
>
Paul Popinjay
>
> I'm not sure why Mike decided she should be his target, when there are so
> many better ones here.
>
I wonder the same thing when he picks on me.
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> You are entitled to your opinion of old Babs Gallamore but I am also
> entitled to mine. I never cared about here one way or the other until she
> attacked me, criticized my (Catholic) religion and the fact that I am not
> pro-abortion, as she is.
This statement is untrue. I've never criticized anyone for their
religion or views on abortion.
?So you can praise her all you want but to me she's
> just an anti-Catholic, pro-murder bigot. BTW, the fact that she is an
> alcoholic is something she posted on RGP.
This is also untrue. I was raised a Catholic, but don't currently
practice that or any other religion; however, I respect other people's
religious views. I also support a woman's right to choose. As for
being a recovering alcoholic, I once revealed that fact when a person
on rgp was having issues with alcohol and I was sharing my experience
in order to offer help.
I stand by my original post in this thread, where I pointed out
"Irish" Mike's obvious flaws in his thinking processes, which he amply
demonstrates in almost every post on here. He, of course, is
incapable of admitting to any flaw, but resorts to personal attacks
and name-calling, which I had anticipated.
Barbara Gallamore
>
> As much as I hate to burst old Bab's bubble, the fact is I have played poker
> in LA. In fact, I've played in all the major poker rooms in the area
> including the Bike, Commerce, Crystal Park, Normandie, Hustler, Hawaiian
> Gardens and Hollywood Park - plus Ocean's Eleven. I've also played all over
> the country and, shocking as this may be, poker was not invented in Gardena.
>
> As for the movie "California Split", sorry but I just didn't think it was
> the Oscar contender old Babs seems to think it was. Yes, some of the
> characters did resemble California poker players. But, here's a news flash,
> those same local poker characters can be found in poker rooms all over the
> country. They aren't unique to LA.
>
> Irish Mike
>
> "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
> > "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> >>I appreciate the thought John but all of old Babs Gallamore's posts are
> >>the same. Just nasty diatribes, full of an old drunk's hate and
> >>bitterness. Some one dares to disagree with her opinion of a poker movie
> >>and she starts frothing at the mouth. It's why I kill-filed the old bat
> >>in the first place.
>
> >> Irish Mike
>
> > HANDS OFF BARBARA GALLAMORE! She and I are just about as polar opposite
> > as you can get when it comes to politics, but she is one of the GOOD
> > PEOPLE in poker. We have had other conversations and have a lot of things
> > in common. She has made a living playing the game we all love for a LONG
> > time. She has life experiences that none of us have, and probably won't
> > ever have. I thouroughly enjoy the times I've spent with Barbara, except
> > that most of the time she's ended up with my chips. She's a cool old
> > broad, and I guarantee you she won't be offended by being called that!
>
> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
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Deadmoney Walking
> THIS IS THE WORST FUCKING HORSESHIT EVER.
>
> Why is every post-boom poker movie awful?
>
> league of terrible, but it was no picnic either. They all make Rounders
> look sublime.
>
Huh? I haven't heard of any of those except Lucky You. Do they
advertise these things?
> I guess once poker got big, every C-grade movie producer in LA decided
> he had to get his piece of the straight-to-video pie.
>
> I am suffering, but I will bear the rest of this. I will need to take
> frequent breaks.
Super Steamer
On Sep 24 2007 10:48 AM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2:04 am, Omaha Chris wrote:
> > THIS IS THE WORST FUCKING HORSESHIT EVER.
> >
> > Why is every post-boom poker movie awful?
> >
> > Shade,
That just had to be one of the all around worst movies ever made. (Sylvester
Stallone as a card mechanic, Jamie Foxx as a card shark, totally, and I
mean TOTALLY unbelieveable on every level, also with Melanie Griffith)
Aces,
Didn't see that one.
High Roller,
Apparently not very historically accurate, but much, much, much better than
Shade. (A movie about Stu Ungar starrring Michael Imperioli).
etc. Lucky You wasn't nearly in the same
> > league of terrible, but it was no picnic either. They all make Rounders
> > look sublime.
> >
Haven't seen Lucky You yet.
> Huh? I haven't heard of any of those except Lucky You. Do they
> advertise these things?
>
>
>
> > I guess once poker got big, every C-grade movie producer in LA decided
> > he had to get his piece of the straight-to-video pie.
> >
> > I am suffering, but I will bear the rest of this. I will need to take
> > frequent breaks.
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> "Edward" wrote in message
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not believable is being kind. I'd disagree with your description of the
Jamie Foxx character as a card shark. I'd say he was more of a fish who got
gutted.
About the only part of "Shade" that I found interesting was the special
feature section. It showed some good card mechanic work. BTW, most of this
low budget flick was filmed at the Magic Castle in LA.
One of the biggest technical errors these bad poker movies make , aside the
ever-present string raise, is this nonsense about going all-in. In the
movie if you push your entire stack in and another player makes a raise, you
lose every thing you have invested in the pot. Apparently they never heard
of side pots. However, to be fair, the movie's producers do explain this in
the special feature section. They say that yes, they do know how to play
poker and that they also know this all in non-sense drives real poker
players crazy. However, they go on to say that they have to do it for
"dramatic effect".
Irish Mike
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Omaha Chris
> One of the biggest technical errors these bad poker movies make , aside the
> ever-present string raise, is this nonsense about going all-in. In the
> movie if you push your entire stack in and another player makes a raise, you
> lose every thing you have invested in the pot. Apparently they never heard
> of side pots.
This I believe to be an invalid criticism of these movies.
Not every poker game is automatically table stakes; that's just more
common nowadays. It's not always the rule, and is a relatively modern
invention. Games (at least private games) have been played open stakes
since the beginning of poker. In open stakes if somebody wants to raise
your $10 bet by writing a check for $10,000 and throwing it into the
pot, or put their kid into the pot, or whatever, they can do it and you
have to cover it in order to stay in the hand.
If I remember right, I have yet to see a hand played open stakes in a
public game in one of these movies. So it's not fair to call it an error.
Super Steamer
On Sep 24 2007 6:19 PM, Omaha Chris wrote:
> Irish Mike wrote:
> > One of the biggest technical errors these bad poker movies make , aside the
> > ever-present string raise, is this nonsense about going all-in. In the
> > movie if you push your entire stack in and another player makes a raise, you
> >
> > lose every thing you have invested in the pot. Apparently they never heard
> > of side pots.
>
>
> This I believe to be an invalid criticism of these movies.
>
> Not every poker game is automatically table stakes; that's just more
> common nowadays. It's not always the rule, and is a relatively modern
> invention. Games (at least private games) have been played open stakes
> since the beginning of poker. In open stakes if somebody wants to raise
> your $10 bet by writing a check for $10,000 and throwing it into the
> pot, or put their kid into the pot, or whatever, they can do it and you
> have to cover it in order to stay in the hand.
>
Have you ever played in a game like that? I've played in home games (limit)
where you had to ("go light") to stay in the hand if you ran out of money, and
pay it back on payday or whenever you got some scratch, but to throw ten
thousand in the pot and bet somebody out who only has 100? I have played only
table stakes when playing no limit or pot limit, and that is going back a long
time, although that doesn't mean that there weren't or aren't people playing
open stakes somewhere. Certainly Shade is a 21st Century movie, who in the heck
would play open stakes nowadays? Anyways, open stakes or not, it was a string
bet.
> If I remember right, I have yet to see a hand played open stakes in a
> public game in one of these movies. So it's not fair to call it an error.
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extremely rare. I've never seen one played in any of the scenarios depicted
in these poker movies.
Irish Mike
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DaVoice
Nothing that I know of, and if she did it would have been when Nolan took up
a collection for us when we were wiped out by Katrina. I've never asked
Barbara for anything, but she's taken a couple of big pots off of me when I
had a bankroll and was playing 10-20 for a living.
Rick Charles
Maverick
> criticized my religion (Catholic)
Allow me to criticize it. It's the religion of the pedophile. It's a
disgusting secretive institution that has been routinely been in
league with evil from the time of the inquisition to working with
Hitler and now hiding and protecting pedophiles. Even the bible
discusses your religion as being Satan's harlot. You belong to one of
the world's most guiltiest cults and are an embarassment to yourself
that you even admit to it.
> and the fact that I did not share her pro-abortion >views. Before she started that, I never cared about her one
> way or the other.
Why are you obessing on abortion Mike? It's legal and it's none of
your fricken business what a woman does. Sure, I think it's murder,
but guess what Buckfuck, it's LEGAL. Deal with it and move onto an
issue that hasn't been decided 35 years ago.
> BTW, the fact that she is an alcoholic is something she
> posted on RGP.
So Barbara got underneath your skin and you drag up something from her
past. Mike, it's comically apparent just how hard you hide your
past. Combine that with how much effort you put into trying to build
your self esteem in your dress and lame attempts to gain status in the
poker world with your stupid tips and we're left wondering just how
poorly you've screwed up in your past. After all, you can't just walk
away from all those people 10 years ago in this newsgroup that shared
a general belief you were an ex-dealer living out of your car trying
to make it as a low limit stud pro.
Guess some things never change.
Wayne Vinson
> since the beginning of poker.
Open stakes doesn't mean what you think it means. You can still go all in
in an open stakes game. You just have the option of adding to your stack
mid-hand.
To the best of my knowledge no one has ever played where you lose your
interest in the pot if you can't match a bet. Think about it - the
obvious strategy is just to have the biggest stack (and supply of money
behind) and push whenever anyone else has money in the pot. That's so
stupid no one would ever play that way unless they had the biggest stack,
so there would never be a game.
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Irish Mike
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Omaha Chris
> Think about it - the
> obvious strategy is just to have the biggest stack (and supply of money
> behind) and push whenever anyone else has money in the pot. That's so
> stupid no one would ever play that way unless they had the biggest stack,
> so there would never be a game.
Of course there would be games. You'd just immediately kick these guys
out of it when they tried that. The "Bill Gates" argument doesn't work.
Table stakes was invented to simplify things for public games.
Open stakes in the way that I'm describing it is completely plausible
among a group of players who know each other and the wealth each player
has access to. I've seen and heard of this plenty of times. Two
players raising and reraising each other with money/goods that aren't on
the table, until they come to an agreement or one backs down. Have you
never heard any old West "betting the farm" stories?
Irish Mike
Sure, happens frequently - in old western movies. Point is, if there ever
was a collection of players stupid enough to allow the rule the way you
describe - it sure as hell wasn't in LA in 2004, when they were filming
"Shade".
Irish Mike
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Deadmoney Walking
> "Have you never heard any old West "betting the farm" stories?"
>
> Sure, happens frequently - in old western movies. Point is, if there ever
> was a collection of players stupid enough to allow the rule the way you
> describe - it sure as hell wasn't in LA in 2004, when they were filming
> "Shade".
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
> news:fdct3...@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
>
>
> > Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >> Think about it - the
> >> obvious strategy is just to have the biggest stack (and supply of money
> >> behind) and push whenever anyone else has money in the pot. That's so
> >> stupid no one would ever play that way unless they had the biggest stack,
> >> so there would never be a game.
>
> > Of course there would be games. You'd just immediately kick these guys out
> > of it when they tried that. The "Bill Gates" argument doesn't work.
>
> > Table stakes was invented to simplify things for public games.
>
> > Open stakes in the way that I'm describing it is completely plausible
> > among a group of players who know each other and the wealth each player
> > has access to. I've seen and heard of this plenty of times. Two players
> > raising and reraising each other with money/goods that aren't on the
> > table, until they come to an agreement or one backs down. Have you never
>
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In a lot of those stories, it seems there is some type of betting
limit, though it's not always articulated. Therefore two players
could willingly get their farms in the pot, but one player can't
instantly shove all of his worth to force the other guy out.
Poker being what it is, I am sure that there have been some games
where this could happen though. The irritating thing is that a lot of
the others only experience with poker might be what they see in the
movies. In 2003, a lot of my friends still thought that you had to
fold if you couldn't match someone's bet.
Omaha Chris
> Poker being what it is, I am sure that there have been some games
> where this could happen though. The irritating thing is that a lot of
> the others only experience with poker might be what they see in the
> movies. In 2003, a lot of my friends still thought that you had to
> fold if you couldn't match someone's bet.
That's definitely a good point.
If the movies spread this kind of idea, it causes problems and
misunderstandings in real games run by people who don't know what
they're doing.
Peg Smith
Exactly, which is why I haven't played B&M poker for years. Thanks to
movies and tv, the knowledge of rules and etiquette in poker is at an
all-time low, even by the people running casino games. Y'all may think
I'm just a nitpicker, but I don't have the patience to sit in a game
where idiots are screaming that an exposed card makes a dead hand, or
that playing out of turn is no big deal, or that players making their
own change is fine and dandy, etc., etc., ad nauseam. The latest spate
of poker shows only makes things worse. In the last thread where we
talked about rules, I saw a lot of shit that went something like,
"Well, jeez, on High Stakes Poker they do it all the time!"
I'll stick with online play.
Peg
Omaha Chris
> Exactly, which is why I haven't played B&M poker for years. Thanks to
> movies and tv, the knowledge of rules and etiquette in poker is at an
> all-time low
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