OT: Request for restraint - please don't
Kate Connally
that the subscribers of rfc refrain from posting any
message containing the word for the winter circum-
solstice celebration of the anniversary of the birth,
a little over 2000 years ago, of the person of Jewish
origin believed by many persons of a religious bent
to be the birth-son of their supreme deity.
Every year mention of and obsession with It start
earlier and earlier and by the time It actually arrives
I'm really, really sick of It already. I would really like
to be able to enjoy It again as I did when I was a
child and the world was a simpler place and we
were bombarded by It-related stuff until much
closer to the actual date in question. Have a
heart, people! Please!
Thanks,
Kate
Ranee Mueller
<conn...@pitt.edu> wrote:
Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and an
extra pack of toilet paper.
Regards,
Ranee
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"Kate Connally" <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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OK
No problem!
Is HUMBUG OK to use?
Thanks,
Dimitri
minnie
gotta get that freezer full!!
blake murphy
wrote:
>
>"Kate Connally" <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
<snip>
>> Every year mention of and obsession with It start
>> earlier and earlier and by the time It actually arrives
>> I'm really, really sick of It already. I would really like
>> to be able to enjoy It again as I did when I was a
>> child and the world was a simpler place and we
>> were bombarded by It-related stuff until much
>> closer to the actual date in question. Have a
>> heart, people! Please!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kate
>
>
>OK
>
>No problem!
>
>Is HUMBUG OK to use?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dimitri
>
hah, bumhug!
your pal,
eben
MH
Kate, you are my new Hero!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: D
MH
minnie <cnva...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Not to mention the cookie baking ;-)
You make your cookies 6 months beforehand??? Icky.
MH
Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3B5854CD...@pitt.edu>, Kate Connally
> <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> > mention it again until Dec. 1st!!!! I would like to request
> > that the subscribers of rfc refrain from posting any
> > message containing the word for the winter circum-
> > solstice celebration of the anniversary of the birth,
> > a little over 2000 years ago, of the person of Jewish
> > origin believed by many persons of a religious bent
> > to be the birth-son of their supreme deity.
> >
> > Every year mention of and obsession with It start
> > earlier and earlier and by the time It actually arrives
> > I'm really, really sick of It already. I would really like
> > to be able to enjoy It again as I did when I was a
> > child and the world was a simpler place and we
> > were bombarded by It-related stuff until much
> > closer to the actual date in question. Have a
> > heart, people! Please!
>
> Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
> actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
> difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
> basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and an
> extra pack of toilet paper.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
As soon as this NG is alt.craft.cooking that will be fine.
MH
Dimitri <Dimi...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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You betcha it is!!!! : )
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dimitri
>
>
Ranee Mueller
"MH" <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> news:raneem-6DAB04....@news.harbornet.com...
> >
> > Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
> > actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
> > difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
> > basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and an
> > extra pack of toilet paper.
>
> As soon as this NG is alt.craft.cooking that will be fine.
That of was supposed to read or. Typo. Either way, though, since
when are you the appointed topic police? The person who opened up the
Christmas talk was asking a legitimate question, what do I need to start
now in order for it to be ready for Christmas. A lot of people do start
organizing, collecting recipes, preserving, whatever, this early. If
you, or anyone else, can't cope, you can delete, mark read, or killfile
any thread with Christmas, Xmas, X-mas, or whatever in it.
Regards,
Ranee
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Darkginger
Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote
> That of was supposed to read or. Typo. Either way, though, since
> when are you the appointed topic police? The person who opened up the
> Christmas talk was asking a legitimate question, what do I need to start
> now in order for it to be ready for Christmas. A lot of people do start
> organizing, collecting recipes, preserving, whatever, this early. If
> you, or anyone else, can't cope, you can delete, mark read, or killfile
> any thread with Christmas, Xmas, X-mas, or whatever in it.
Exactly - after all, if I'd waited until Dec 1st to ask the question, I
would have missed the boat again....
By the way - anyone got any Easter recipes that need an early start? <g>
Jo
Thierry Gerbault
While I do understand, I and many other's do not necessarily share your
view. Why not just block all messages containing the word "Christmas"?
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MH
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>
> Exactly - after all, if I'd waited until Dec 1st to ask the question, I
> would have missed the boat again....
>
> By the way - anyone got any Easter recipes that need an early start? <g>
No, but I got some killer Samhain recipes! : )
Darkginger
MH <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Any chance of sharing any of 'em? I'd appreciate it!
Jo
Jill McQuown
> In article <q8867.947$LP2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "MH" <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> > news:raneem-6DAB04....@news.harbornet.com...
>
> > >
> > > Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
> > > actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
> > > difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
> > > basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and
an
> > > extra pack of toilet paper.
> >
> > As soon as this NG is alt.craft.cooking that will be fine.
>
> That of was supposed to read or. Typo. Either way, though, since
> when are you the appointed topic police? The person who opened up the
> Christmas talk was asking a legitimate question, what do I need to start
> now in order for it to be ready for Christmas. A lot of people do start
> organizing, collecting recipes, preserving, whatever, this early. If
> you, or anyone else, can't cope, you can delete, mark read, or killfile
> any thread with Christmas, Xmas, X-mas, or whatever in it.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
Christmas shoved at them by stores in July. But some people need to start
early. Baking, preserving, knitting booties, whatever.
If I'm going to do Christmas I start buying gifts now and tend to be done by
Halloween. This way I avoid the holiday "rush" and the inflated prices and
lack of product availability that comes about with holiday gift buying.
I've found I'm much less stressed about the holiday crap than other people
who are frantically searching for gifts in December.
But I've done this in the past and may do it again this year: I'm not
"doing" Christmas. I don't have kids so I don't have to keep the myth
alive. I know there is no Santa Clause. We aren't a religious family so
Christmas doesn't really mean anything but freebies. What's the point?
Jill
Damsel in dis Dress
>By the way - anyone got any Easter recipes that need an early start? <g>
Sure do .... start saving your onion skins so you can dye your eggs with
them, a la Martha Stewart. <EG>
Damsel
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Alan Ladd
>I'm not "doing" Christmas. I don't have
>kids so I don't have to keep the myth
>alive. I know there is no Santa Clause.
WHAT??? Oh great...thanks a lot. The least you could've done was put a
spoiler warning on your post. Well I suppose I should've known that
Santa is not real. I mean how else can one man go all around the world
in one night? I guess I won't be celebrating Christmas this year either.
Oh well.... life goes on.... at least there is still Easter to look
forward to.
Alan (now wondering about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy)
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directions.
Billy
>Sure do .... start saving your onion skins so you can dye your eggs with
>them, a la Martha Stewart. <EG>
Damsel...I JUST got ARBOR DAY behind me and you are working on Easter!! I
can't keep up with you girl!
"Happiness is good health and a bad memory."
Ingrid Bergman, Swedish-born actress (1915-1982).
PENMART01
>"Darkginger" wrote:
>
>>By the way - anyone got any Easter recipes that need an early start? <g>
>
>Sure do .... start saving your onion skins so you can dye your eggs with
>them, a la Martha Stewart. <EG>
And don't forget, you can freeze beet trimmings, a la Barb Schaller. :o
PS Didja know many commercially prepared foods are color-enhanced with beet
juice... I've noticed it recently in the list of ingredients on a store brand
raspberry jam.
Sheldon
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Alan Zelt
OTOH we are a beet free household. The SBF makes her own raspberry jam,
free of such imperfections!
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Ranee Mueller
"Jill McQuown" <jmcq...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> (laughing) Ranee, I can understand a person's frustration at having
> Christmas shoved at them by stores in July.
So can I. I hate that the stores pull out the music and trees in
April. I'm part of a minority, even among Christians, because I observe
Advent, which means no lights, decorations, carols, etc before Christmas
Eve. We do have stockings up for St Nicholas' day, and we have a
lessons and carols service we try to make it to the third week of
Advent, but basically, it's not Christmas until December 24. The only
thing we have out is the nativity scene, and we still wait to put the
baby Jesus in it until Christmas Eve. We put up our tree Christmas Eve,
have our dinner under the tree, go to evening church (the family service
now that our boys don't sleep through the later one), and celebrate 12
days of Christmas until Epiphany. We get our feasting, caroling and
such done in that time, and then we don't hate it for going on all the
time. I tend to turn off the radio in December, too.
> But some people need to
> start early. Baking, preserving, knitting booties, whatever.
And this is where I come from. There are some things that are
legitimately part of preparation that have to come early. We scope out
our tree early, and usually Rich gets it before Christmas Eve. We do
baking in the weeks before and wrap presents.
> If I'm going to do Christmas I start buying gifts now and tend to be done
> by Halloween. This way I avoid the holiday "rush" and the inflated prices
> and lack of product availability that comes about with holiday gift buying.
> I've found I'm much less stressed about the holiday crap than other
> people who are frantically searching for gifts in December.
I have successfully avoided the malls and most stores after November
for the last 3 or 4 years. :) Last couple years I did almost all of my
shopping online, the rest was handmade or cooked.
> But I've done this in the past and may do it again this year: I'm not
> "doing" Christmas. I don't have kids so I don't have to keep the myth
> alive. I know there is no Santa Clause. We aren't a religious family so
> Christmas doesn't really mean anything but freebies. What's the point?
We are Christian, and we don't do the circus they call Christmas.
The kids get presents, but not a huge pile of them, we don't do the
commercialism. Our kids learn about St. Nicholas, that Santa Claus is
pretend. I never understood why people who weren't Christian would
celebrate Christmas, though. There are loads of winter holidays, you
can pick from the ones that fit your religion or philosophy.
Darkginger
Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote
I never understood why people who weren't Christian would
> celebrate Christmas, though. There are loads of winter holidays, you
> can pick from the ones that fit your religion or philosophy.
It could possibly be that those of us who don't celebrate the Christian
festival still use that time to celebrate our various holidays, as few
companies give time off for, say, Yule. Many factories etc. have set
holidays, and most countries' National holidays revolve around the most
commonly celebrated festivals in that country, eg Christmas and Easter in
the UK and Ireland. My SO's company closes from Christmas Eve until Jan 2nd.
Unless we use leave that could otherwise be saved until later in the year,
we'd end up with an extra long 'Christmas' break and not much left for the
summer! The *way* I celebrate may differ from the way Christians do - but I
can't imagine sitting around not 'feasting' whilst all around me do so! Then
there are the childhood memories - many of which are associated with the
less strictly Christian aspects of Christmas - the smell of the tree, the
hanging of the stockings, the Christmas pudding, the candles, holly and ivy.
All fit well with my chosen spiritual path - so I don't see any reason to
deny myself the traditional pleasures simply because they are primarily
associated (nowadays) with a Christian festival.
Oh, and I usually talk about 'looking forward to Christmas' as opposed to
Yule, because I don't always want to get into a discussion of my beliefs
when all I'm doing is buying a turkey, or whatever <g>.
Hope that explains a bit - and of course, it's only *my* thoughts on the
matter - others probably think differently....
Jo (who is having a goose for Yule and a turkey on Christmas Day - and a
diet in the New Year <g>)
MH
I never understood why people who weren't Christian would
> celebrate Christmas, though. There are loads of winter holidays, you
> can pick from the ones that fit your religion or philosophy.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
Because it was first a Pagan holiday. Yule was celebrated in Europe long
before christmas. The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
christianity.
blake murphy
jesus, what next - the fourth of july?
your pal,
blake
Ranee Mueller
<5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
<bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Because it was first a Pagan holiday. Yule was celebrated in Europe long
> before christmas. The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
> christianity.
Yule came first, but Christmas isn't Yule. The reason Christmas is
celebrated in the winter instead of spring is because the Roman Empire
made it punishable by death to celebrate Christian holidays. To go
underground, Christians celebrated their holidays when the Romans
celebrated theirs.
Ranee Mueller
<5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
<bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
> christianity.
The Yule log, yes. The tree, though is one of those things that
developed separately. Martin Luther, seeing the stars in the trees, was
reminded of God's creation and brought it indoors by using candles.
Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
Michel Boucher
news:raneem-AE892F....@news.harbornet.com:
> In article
><5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
><bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> Because it was first a Pagan holiday. Yule was celebrated in
>> Europe long before christmas. The tree, Yule log, wreath; all
>> Pagan, all older than christianity.
>
> Yule came first, but Christmas isn't Yule. The reason Christmas is
> celebrated in the winter instead of spring is because the Roman
> Empire made it punishable by death to celebrate Christian holidays.
> To go underground, Christians celebrated their holidays when the
> Romans celebrated theirs.
And then the Christians made it punishable by death to celebrate
pagan holy days. Christmas was quickly associated by the Christians
with the day of Saturnalia (December 14). Maybe it was because
their revels would go unnoticed. It was more likely to try to
get early Christians to stop celebrating their old ritual holidays.
There are recorded instances during the early days of the
counter-reformation where villagers would indulge in both the pagan
and the Christian rituals at the same time. Round about the 15th
century. So much for a thousand years of Christian upbringing.
The calendar was later corrected in the 16th century by the Papacy so
that December 14 became December 25. The proof that this is so is
that the solstice was on Dec. 11 (day of Sol indigetis, the indigent
sun) and is now on Dec. 22 (or thereabouts).
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Miche
Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote:
> Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
In its present form, the 19th or early 20th century.
Miche
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MH
> In article
> <5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
> <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Because it was first a Pagan holiday. Yule was celebrated in Europe long
> > before christmas. The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
> > christianity.
>
> Yule came first, but Christmas isn't Yule. The reason Christmas is
> celebrated in the winter instead of spring is because the Roman Empire
> made it punishable by death to celebrate Christian holidays. To go
> underground, Christians celebrated their holidays when the Romans
> celebrated theirs.
Ah, yes, and the christian church has always been so very tolerant of other
beliefs. : )
The date of the birth of the christian christ was also changed to bring
people into the newly invented christian church. Use the old Pagan holidays,
turn their god into a devil, and viola! new church members.
Archon
> Yule came first, but Christmas isn't Yule. The reason Christmas is
> celebrated in the winter instead of spring is because the Roman Empire
> made it punishable by death to celebrate Christian holidays. To go
> underground, Christians celebrated their holidays when the Romans
> celebrated theirs.
Celebrating xmas has nothing really to do with christianity.
Overindulging in drinking and eating (which is a sin), give presents,
have xmas tree, pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures),
santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity. In DK few
people go to church at xmas, for example.
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Archon
> Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
It's a very new 20th century "cult" of pagans who take a little bit of
shamanism and other pagan beliefs.
Damsel in dis Dress
>Celebrating xmas has nothing really to do with christianity.
>Overindulging in drinking and eating (which is a sin), give presents,
>have xmas tree, pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures),
>santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity. In DK few
>people go to church at xmas, for example.
You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this group,
yet you go right ahead, and use it anyway. What you lack in class, you
make up for in rudeness. It's time for you and someone else who is
intolerent of others' beliefs, to crawl back into my killfile.
Archon
> You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this group,
> yet you go right ahead, and use it anyway. What you lack in class, you
> make up for in rudeness. It's time for you and someone else who is
> intolerent of others' beliefs, to crawl back into my killfile.
I don't see any intolerance in what I wrote. I answered a question to
why xmas (which is lazy, not rude) is celebrated to non xtians.
Darkginger
Archon <arc...@gvdnet.dk> wrote in message
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>
> > Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
>
> It's a very new 20th century "cult" of pagans who take a little bit of
> shamanism and other pagan beliefs.
Well, almost - but it's not a cult - there are no charismatic leaders, for
example, and beliefs vary from individual to individual, and from group to
group, although they're likely to have some things in common. There's a good
explanation here: http://www.cog.org/general/iabout.html for anyone who's
interested.
Jo
T. Wrecks
>Jill McQuown wrote:
>
>>I'm not "doing" Christmas. I don't have
>>kids so I don't have to keep the myth
>>alive. I know there is no Santa Clause.
>
>WHAT??? Oh great...thanks a lot. The least you could've done was put a
>spoiler warning on your post. Well I suppose I should've known that
>Santa is not real. I mean how else can one man go all around the world
>in one night? I guess I won't be celebrating Christmas this year either.
>Oh well.... life goes on.... at least there is still Easter to look
>forward to.
Step and fetch, grease my hips
I don't even have to pause
I don't really miss God
But I sure miss Santa Claus - Hole
>
>Alan (now wondering about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy)
>
>__
>Ways to Relieve Stress #10. Make up a language and ask people for
>directions.
>
And when the wombat comes
He will find me gone - SC
Kate L Pugh
>> Ranee, I can understand a person's frustration at having
>> Christmas shoved at them by stores in July.
> So can I. I hate that the stores pull out the music and trees in April.
I don't know if either of you are into science fiction; but Frederik Pohl
wrote a great short story called "Happy Birthday, Dear Jesus" that
addressed this tendency very nicely. It's available in at least one of
his "Best Of" collections.
Kake
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See http://www.earth.li/~kake/cv.html
The Joneses
tapes and sang carols all afternoon. Will drop a clove in my evening glass
of wine. I love That Holiday, complete with warts and try and think about
philosophical stuff from time to time. Can our world society be fixed? In
geological time, we're still babies (with nasty toys). (thanks for the
elbow jiggle, time to go plan a few presents)
Edrena in Texas
Cukes Not Nukes!
Ranee Mueller wrote:
> In article <3B5854CD...@pitt.edu>, Kate Connally
> <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
> > mention it again until Dec. 1st!!!! I would like to request
> > that the subscribers of rfc refrain from posting any
> > message containing the word for the winter circum-
> > solstice celebration of the anniversary of the birth,
> > a little over 2000 years ago, of the person of Jewish
> > origin believed by many persons of a religious bent
> > to be the birth-son of their supreme deity.
> >
> > Every year mention of and obsession with It start
> > earlier and earlier and by the time It actually arrives
> > I'm really, really sick of It already. I would really like
> > to be able to enjoy It again as I did when I was a
> > child and the world was a simpler place and we
> > were bombarded by It-related stuff until much
> > closer to the actual date in question. Have a
> > heart, people! Please!
>
> Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
> actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
> difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
> basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and an
> extra pack of toilet paper.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
> --
> See my family and some of my finished objects (E-mail me for password to
> boys' album) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Albumlist?u=971548
> Look for seller amirati on e-bay.
Cowdrey
borrowed from pagan times (the time of year, mistletoe, mincemeat, the
pudding, etc.) and adopted by the Church when the heathen were converted.
I rather like the Yule concept, however. It allows me to embrace the
traditions without the religious affiliation. Must admit that I like the
religious music though. +mas doesn't seem quite right without Handel.
Any chance of getting something going at the equinoxes and summer solstice?
Robin (checking his Hallmark shares)
minnie
> > Not to mention the cookie baking ;-)
>
> You make your cookies 6 months beforehand??? Icky.
Some...they freeze quite well :-)
al-Arab al-Akbar
>> We are Christian,
Ya nasrani, kalb awani!!!!
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Regina Holt
I've found this thread quite thought provoking. Personlly, I don't care
what anyone's beliefs are or even if a person has any beliefs at all.
My own religion does not have a tradition of browbeating persons with
the specifics of belief. Furthermore, 11 years ago duing a church
service here in DC a nutcase disrupted services by bursting in, shouting
that only Jesus could save us, and tossing what turned out to be a dud
grenade. Understandably I don't like to be in the company of any sort
of zealot. Mother
Teresa wrote that if a person is a Buddhist then that person should be
the very best Budhist possible. This idea was then expanded with the
other religious sects, the thrust of which was whatever you believe to
use it to be the very best you can be. IIRC, the book was entitled " Do
Small Things With Great Love" Ob
Food: in the context of rfc, my goal is to be the very best cook i can
both in technique and familiarity of cuisines
Gina
MH
>
> MH <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:Vm967.987$LP2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > news:tli5rg1...@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > Exactly - after all, if I'd waited until Dec 1st to ask the question,
I
> > > would have missed the boat again....
> > >
> > > By the way - anyone got any Easter recipes that need an early start?
<g>
> >
>
> Any chance of sharing any of 'em? I'd appreciate it!
>
> Jo
Jo,
I'm saving this post to get you some recipes. Right now, I'm busy packing
for my trip (to Denmark), which is only 4 days away!!! : D
>
>
Ranee Mueller
<R%n67.14225$gj1.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
<bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> news:raneem-AE892F....@news.harbornet.com...
> > In article
> > <5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
> > <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Because it was first a Pagan holiday. Yule was celebrated in Europe
> > > long before christmas. The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older
> > > than christianity.
> >
> > Yule came first, but Christmas isn't Yule. The reason Christmas is
> > celebrated in the winter instead of spring is because the Roman Empire
> > made it punishable by death to celebrate Christian holidays. To go
> > underground, Christians celebrated their holidays when the Romans
> > celebrated theirs.
>
> Ah, yes, and the christian church has always been so very tolerant of
> other beliefs. : )
This has what to do with the fact that the early church _had_ to take
their celebrations underground because of persecution from pagans?
Lions eating people, burning, hanging on crosses, etc. It's human
nature to be cruel, doesn't have to do with brand of belief.
> The date of the birth of the christian christ was also changed to bring
> people into the newly invented christian church. Use the old Pagan
> holidays, turn their god into a devil, and viola! new church members.
Or, hide the celebration so you don't get killed for over 100 years
and that's just what seems like the normal time for a holiday.
Ranee Mueller
Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> And then the Christians made it punishable by death to celebrate
> pagan holy days. Christmas was quickly associated by the Christians
> with the day of Saturnalia (December 14). Maybe it was because
> their revels would go unnoticed. It was more likely to try to
> get early Christians to stop celebrating their old ritual holidays.
Or over a hundred years of celebrating it in December made that seem
normal. Funny how persecution of Christians is somehow not really that
big a deal, and it's still some big plot to overtake pagan celebrations
instead of an attempt to preserve a celebration by hiding it among
others.
> The calendar was later corrected in the 16th century by the Papacy so
> that December 14 became December 25. The proof that this is so is
> that the solstice was on Dec. 11 (day of Sol indigetis, the indigent
> sun) and is now on Dec. 22 (or thereabouts).
And Jesus was still born sometime in the Spring, so it doesn't really
matter which date in December is the holiday.
Ranee Mueller
wrote:
> Celebrating xmas has nothing really to do with christianity.
> Overindulging in drinking and eating (which is a sin),
Where do you get that? You don't have to be a drunk to celebrate
Christmas, but even if you do overindulge, Jesus himself ate and drank
with sinners, celebrated at parties and weddings and his first miracle
was to turn large quantities of water into strong wine.
> give presents,
What's unchristian about presents?
> have xmas tree,
As long as there is no worship of said trees, nothing is wrong with
that.
> pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures)
What do pixies have to do with Christmas? It's no sin to believe in
them, just silly. The bible is full of examples of magic and divination.
> santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity.
Right, and many serious Christians don't celebrate Santa Claus. But
it's no sin, and he is based on St Nicholas loosely, so who cares if
they want to pretend?
Ranee Mueller
mi...@technologist.com (Miche) wrote:
> In article <raneem-E43612....@news.harbornet.com>, Ranee
> Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>
> > Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
>
> In its present form, the 19th or early 20th century.
Closer to 1950, actually. It was influenced by German romantics and
several occultic traditions.
Ranee Mueller
<darkg...@drowelf.net> wrote:
> Archon <arc...@gvdnet.dk> wrote in message
> news:3B5A112E...@gvdnet.dk...
> >
> > > Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
> >
> > It's a very new 20th century "cult" of pagans who take a little bit of
> > shamanism and other pagan beliefs.
>
> Well, almost - but it's not a cult - there are no charismatic leaders,
> for example, and beliefs vary from individual to individual, and from group
> to group, although they're likely to have some things in common. There's a
> goodexplanation here: http://www.cog.org/general/iabout.html for anyone who's
> interested.
Well, technically, just about every religion is a "cult," using the
stricted definition. Whether this is a cult in colloquial terms, I
can't say.
Ranee Mueller
<al-Arab_...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> >===== Original Message From Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> =====
> >> We are Christian,
>
> Ya nasrani, kalb awani!!!!
In'al abbouk ya ibn al kalb.
Michel Boucher
>> And then the Christians made it punishable by death to celebrate
>> pagan holy days. Christmas was quickly associated by the
>> Christians with the day of Saturnalia (December 14). Maybe it was
>> because their revels would go unnoticed. It was more likely to
>> try to get early Christians to stop celebrating their old ritual
>> holidays.
>
> Or over a hundred years of celebrating it in December made that seem
> normal.
Does it really matter when it is celebrated if it's the act of
celebrating that counts? I'd say that just having the celebration
still after two thousand years is a pretty good record of accuracy.
> Funny how persecution of Christians is somehow not really that
> big a deal,
Hate to disappernt youze, but the Romans were not all that interested
in Christians. The Romans did not persecute Christians *because* of
their beliefs but rather because they did not share the same beliefs
as Romans. The heresy thing only lasted a short time and usually
Christians were lumped in with other religious heretics (i.e.
monotheists, blasphemers of Roman gods, etc.). The Romans even went as
far as to support a healer from Cappadocia (or somewhere around there)
who was preaching a message of peace and doing miraculous healings and
resurrections. They had a lot more trouble with the Mithraists, as I
recall. Of course, Christians *want* to believe that they were
important everywhere from Day 1, but that just isn't the case. Don't
forget that the Romans didn't want to execute Jesus. It was the Jews
that demanded it. The Romans saw no point in it and did not see him as
a threat to the Roman Empire. He was only a threat to the
power of the Sanhedrin. Also, the martyrdoms of the apostles had more
to do with going into the lion's den to goad him and then reaping their
reward rather than anything else.
> and it's still some big plot to overtake pagan celebrations
> instead of an attempt to preserve a celebration by hiding it among
> others.
No, it's a very well reasonable action. The Christians weren't
trying to subvert the rites of Saturnalia as much as convince new
Christians to replace the gestures of one belief by the gestures of
another. Eventually, the old Roman religion was integrated into the
Christian one. For example, the Pope (ruler of all Christianity
until some German with an antisemitic bent nailed a few undigested
ideas to the door of a church) is known as Pontifex Maximus (the
Supreme Builder of Bridges). That is a title that belonged to the
priest of the temple of Jupiter before Christians even showed up on
the scene. Does it really matter? No. Life, for the people of Rome
had to go on after the implantation of Christianity. They still needed
a Pontifex Maximus. Whether he was pagan or Christian was of no matter
to them.
> And Jesus was still born sometime in the Spring, so it doesn't
> really matter which date in December is the holiday.
No. Nor does speculation about the time of his birth have any impact
on anyone's daily life.
blake murphy
<ran...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>In article
><5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
><bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
>> christianity.
>
> The Yule log, yes. The tree, though is one of those things that
>developed separately. Martin Luther, seeing the stars in the trees, was
>reminded of God's creation and brought it indoors by using candles.
>
> Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
i saw this item in a bookstore:
Complete Idiot's Guide to Wicca & Witchcraft.
Author: Katherine Gleason
Binding: Hardcover, 352 pages
Publisher: Macmillan Publishing Company, Incorporated ...
this definitely says something, either about wiccans or publishing,
but i'm not sure what.
your pal,
blake
Ranee Mueller
Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> a écrit dans
> news:raneem-AD6F46....@news.harbornet.com:
>
> >
> > Or over a hundred years of celebrating it in December made that seem
> > normal.
>
> Does it really matter when it is celebrated if it's the act of
> celebrating that counts? I'd say that just having the celebration
> still after two thousand years is a pretty good record of accuracy.
That's pretty much my POV, however many people like to jump on and
say "Christians stole _fill in the blank_ holiday." Not really. If
they were calling it Saturnalia, or Solstice, or Yule, only then saying
those were really about Jesus, then they'd have a valid point.
> > Funny how persecution of Christians is somehow not really that
> > big a deal,
>
> Hate to disappernt youze, but the Romans were not all that interested
> in Christians. The Romans did not persecute Christians *because* of
> their beliefs but rather because they did not share the same beliefs
> as Romans.
Right. As this discussion was about Christians and Christmas,
though, it isn't really relevant that the Pagan Romans weren't all that
tolerant of anyone who didn't conform.
> Don't
> forget that the Romans didn't want to execute Jesus. It was the Jews
> that demanded it. The Romans saw no point in it and did not see him as
> a threat to the Roman Empire. He was only a threat to the
> power of the Sanhedrin.
Yes, but a grassroots group of Christians saying that the true
authority is God and not the Empire is a threat, that's where Christians
became dangerous.
> Also, the martyrdoms of the apostles had more
> to do with going into the lion's den to goad him and then reaping their
> reward rather than anything else.
Back that up. I've never read a secular or religious history book
that implied or said that. I can't imagine that apostles had much
access to the lion's den without being "invited" in.
Archon
> Where do you get that? You don't have to be a drunk to celebrate
> Christmas, but even if you do overindulge, Jesus himself ate and drank
> with sinners, celebrated at parties and weddings and his first miracle
> was to turn large quantities of water into strong wine.
Greed - a deadly sin. And strictly even having fun is a sin according to
the medieval priests.
> > give presents,
>
> What's unchristian about presents?
I'm saying that it's not chirstian (= something with no link to
christianity) - not that it's unchristian (= somethign that christians
shouldn't do). Remember you asked why non christians celebrate it, and
not why christians shouldn't.
> > santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity.
>
> Right, and many serious Christians don't celebrate Santa Claus. But
> it's no sin, and he is based on St Nicholas loosely, so who cares if
> they want to pretend?
But in the santa clause stories there's no christianity involved - so
people can use those symbols without it having anything to do with
religion, and it's not about believing in their existence - it's just a
pictures, and cosy atmospheres that one associates with christmas.
> > pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures)
>
> What do pixies have to do with Christmas? It's no sin to believe in
> them, just silly. The bible is full of examples of magic and divination.
Illegal to believe in other unearthly beings than Him and perform magic.
[warning - don't proceed if you don't want to read a trolling question]
Why is the story about santa clause and his helper pixies ( or is it
elves in English?) more silly than the Jehova and his helper moses and
Jesus in the bible? It's all cute little fairy tales.
Michel Boucher
> In article
><5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
><bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
>> christianity.
>
> The Yule log, yes. The tree, though is one of those things that
> developed separately. Martin Luther, seeing the stars in the
> trees, was reminded of God's creation and brought it indoors by
> using candles.
Or Protestantism is as tainted with the ancient animistic religion.
Why bring a tree into the house, unless you think it is a participant
in the ritual? Also, similar rituals were probably present at
Beltaine.
> Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
I'd hazard a guess that it originates in the 19th century, along with
"druidism" and other "worthwhile" pursuits. Its current form is
probably closer to the 1970's post-hippie "search for spiritual
meaning" (tm applied for).
By the way, I don't ascribe any credibility to an original
matriarchal system either.
Ranee Mueller
wrote:
> > Where do you get that? You don't have to be a drunk to celebrate
> > Christmas, but even if you do overindulge, Jesus himself ate and drank
> > with sinners, celebrated at parties and weddings and his first miracle
> > was to turn large quantities of water into strong wine.
>
> Greed - a deadly sin. And strictly even having fun is a sin according to
> the medieval priests.
I've got news for you, the medieval priests are dead. Not only that,
but people don't have to be greedy to give and receive gifts. Your
information seems to be very outdated, and has not much to do with
what's actually in the Bible, or any Christian denomination's cathechism.
> > > santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity.
> >
> > Right, and many serious Christians don't celebrate Santa Claus. But
> > it's no sin, and he is based on St Nicholas loosely, so who cares if
> > they want to pretend?
>
> But in the santa clause stories there's no christianity involved - so
> people can use those symbols without it having anything to do with
> religion, and it's not about believing in their existence - it's just a
> pictures, and cosy atmospheres that one associates with christmas.
Yes, but to celebrate CHRISTmas and think it isn't about Christ is
deluding oneself.
> > > pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures)
> >
> > What do pixies have to do with Christmas? It's no sin to believe in
> > them, just silly. The bible is full of examples of magic and
> > divination.
>
> Illegal to believe in other unearthly beings than Him and perform magic.
GIve me real citations on this. Demons are unearthly and perform
"magic," the magicians in the story of Moses and Pharoah were said to
have really performed the same deeds, not a fabrication of them, the
wise men used astrology and divination to find Jesus. Those are things
that are pretty common knowledge and belief among Christians.
> Why is the story about santa clause and his helper pixies ( or is it
> elves in English?) more silly than the Jehova and his helper moses and
> Jesus in the bible? It's all cute little fairy tales.
Was this supposed to be funny? Maybe it was lost in translation.
Ranee Mueller
Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> a écrit dans
> news:raneem-E43612....@news.harbornet.com:
>
> > The Yule log, yes. The tree, though is one of those things that
> > developed separately. Martin Luther, seeing the stars in the
> > trees, was reminded of God's creation and brought it indoors by
> > using candles.
>
> Or Protestantism is as tainted with the ancient animistic religion.
> Why bring a tree into the house, unless you think it is a participant
> in the ritual? Also, similar rituals were probably present at
> Beltaine.
Sure, you could say that. Even if it is, though, the biblical
precedent is that so long as the item/food/celebration/relic/etc isn't
used in idol worship or to divert one's faith then it is lawful.
MH
> > Greed - a deadly sin. And strictly even having fun is a sin according to
> > the medieval priests.
>
> I've got news for you, the medieval priests are dead. Not only that,
> but people don't have to be greedy to give and receive gifts. Your
> information seems to be very outdated, and has not much to do with
> what's actually in the Bible, or any Christian denomination's cathechism.
Jeez, Ranee, everyone can believe the way they wish to. Just because in your
mind, you don't think that non christians should celebrate christmas doesn't
make it so, or right, for that matter. Lighten up.
>
> > > What do pixies have to do with Christmas? It's no sin to believe
in
> > > them, just silly. The bible is full of examples of magic and
> > > divination.
> >
> > Illegal to believe in other unearthly beings than Him and perform magic.
>
> GIve me real citations on this. Demons are unearthly and perform
> "magic," the magicians in the story of Moses and Pharoah were said to
> have really performed the same deeds, not a fabrication of them, the
> wise men used astrology and divination to find Jesus. Those are things
> that are pretty common knowledge and belief among Christians.
Many christian sects think idol worship (such as having crosses, crucifixes,
etc) is a sin.
>
> > Why is the story about santa clause and his helper pixies ( or is it
> > elves in English?) more silly than the Jehova and his helper moses and
> > Jesus in the bible? It's all cute little fairy tales.
>
> Was this supposed to be funny? Maybe it was lost in translation.
>
Maybe you should take a deep breath and chill a little. : )
Archon
> Or over a hundred years of celebrating it in December made that seem
> normal. Funny how persecution of Christians is somehow not really that
> big a deal, and it's still some big plot to overtake pagan celebrations
> instead of an attempt to preserve a celebration by hiding it among
> others.
Cruel things done to anyone - regardless of belief, race, any "group
thing" is terrible. What many people don't realize is that even though I
speak hostile about christianity, I have nothing against christians - as
long they are good people and don't follow their cruel ancestors
footsteps (which I know is only some of the christians, who used the
belief and the innocent believers' faith to do harm). I'm against
"grouping" and saying - "you can't be and work with us, you are not one
of us", even if they share a common goal.
Just don't expect me to understand why you even NEED to believe in a
religion in these days where you don't live in starvation nor
persecution to need a saviour to give hope and the comfort that your
suffering will set you free for the eternity to come.
MH
Michel Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns90E6BEFF8C4B...@207.181.101.12...
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> a écrit dans
> news:raneem-E43612....@news.harbornet.com:
>
> > In article
> ><5Fk67.46409$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "MH"
> ><bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The tree, Yule log, wreath; all Pagan, all older than
> >> christianity.
> >
> > The Yule log, yes. The tree, though is one of those things that
> > developed separately. Martin Luther, seeing the stars in the
> > trees, was reminded of God's creation and brought it indoors by
> > using candles.
>
> Or Protestantism is as tainted with the ancient animistic religion.
> Why bring a tree into the house, unless you think it is a participant
> in the ritual? Also, similar rituals were probably present at
> Beltaine.
>
to decorate the trees of the forest centuries before jesus was alledgedly
born.
> > Pop Quiz: When did Wicca originate?
>
> I'd hazard a guess that it originates in the 19th century, along with
> "druidism" and other "worthwhile" pursuits. Its current form is
> probably closer to the 1970's post-hippie "search for spiritual
> meaning" (tm applied for).
Wicca and many of the other newer forms of the *Old Ways* were started in a
Victorian return to the pre-christian ways. Aleister Crowley, the Golden
Dawn, Arthur Edward Waite, Richard Cavendish, and others studied the ways of
those who were in Northern Europe before christianity.
>
> By the way, I don't ascribe any credibility to an original
> matriarchal system either.
Neither do I.
Archon
> I've got news for you, the medieval priests are dead. Not only that,
> but people don't have to be greedy to give and receive gifts.
Who ever said that?
> Your
> information seems to be very outdated, and has not much to do with
> what's actually in the Bible, or any Christian denomination's cathechism.
but still the symbolism in cristmas does not necessarilly point to
christianity, which is what you asked: why do non christians even
celebrate christmas.
> Yes, but to celebrate CHRISTmas and think it isn't about Christ is
> deluding oneself.
OK, here's the Danish words for those terms:
Christainity: Kristendom
Christ: Kristus
Christmas: Jul
Where's the CHRISTianity in Jul? And funnilly enough it is pronuonced
like "yule" - only faster ("yul!").
> GIve me real citations on this. Demons are unearthly and perform
> "magic,"
and they are banned.
> the magicians in the story of Moses and Pharoah were said to
They were "allowed" to do so becasue they were "chosen by god". ANy
discible trying to do so would be a withc and burned in the stake.
> > Why is the story about santa clause and his helper pixies ( or is it
> > elves in English?) more silly than the Jehova and his helper moses and
> > Jesus in the bible? It's all cute little fairy tales.
>
> Was this supposed to be funny? Maybe it was lost in translation.
I warned you.
Michel Boucher
>> Don't
>> forget that the Romans didn't want to execute Jesus. It was the
>> Jews that demanded it. The Romans saw no point in it and did not
>> see him as a threat to the Roman Empire. He was only a threat to
>> the power of the Sanhedrin.
>
> Yes, but a grassroots group of Christians saying that the true
> authority is God and not the Empire is a threat, that's where
> Christians became dangerous.
At the time, the Romans did not view it as a threat (and indeed it
wasn't one). Don't forget the extent of the Roman Empire. They had
a LOT of these pop-up religions in every town. One more, one less...
>> Also, the martyrdoms of the apostles had more
>> to do with going into the lion's den to goad him and then reaping
>> their reward rather than anything else.
>
> Back that up.
They were executed at a time when Christianity was not considered a
serious threat. Perhaps they were not executed for being Christians,
which I would see as a possibility. Either way, using simple logic,
if the animal sees no threat and you go in and start acting all weird
and you get killed, it's because something you did caused the
creature to see you as a threat, but perhaps not the threat you
wanted to be.
In the case of the apostles, they knew Romans were intolerant of
other beliefs from living with them (much as we French-Canadians know
the English are intolerant of other languages from living with them
:-)). Given that they knew this and yet chose to go to Rome, what do
*you* think prompted the Romans to execute them? The fact that they
talked about Christianity *per*se*, or the fact that what they said
was not supportive of the polytheistic religion of Rome? I think they
could have been talking about the Eleusinian mysteries as the basis for
a monotheistic religion centered on Demeter and *still* gotten their
balls lopped off.
As for getting to Rome, they were subjects of the Empire, and Paul
was even a citizen. They were not slaves, so they were free to
travel. And all roads, as we know, lead to Rome.
Michel Boucher
>> Or Protestantism is as tainted with the ancient animistic
>> religion. Why bring a tree into the house, unless you think it is
>> a participant in the ritual? Also, similar rituals were probably
>> present at Beltaine.
>
> Sure, you could say that. Even if it is, though, the biblical
> precedent is that so long as the item/food/celebration/relic/etc
> isn't used in idol worship or to divert one's faith then it is
> lawful.
So, then you agree. As an extension to this discssion, one could
conclude that, if the old ritual can be incorporated into the new
without causing a dogmatic disturbance, it is preferable that it be so
if it facilitates integration of the flock. Trees at Christmas,
Pontifici Maximi, eating flesh and drinking blood in ritual form...
It is only lawful (as you say) because it not unlawful. This is not
a proactive stance however.
Furthermore, the use of "lawful" annoys me. Christianity does not
promulgate laws. Ergo, nothing it does is either lawful or unlawful
unless it supports or contravenes laws enacted by a body authorized
to do so. Granted, so bishoprics were able to enact laws, but only
because they had the king's authority to do so (as ecclesiastical
counts), and not the Church's.
Arri London
>
> In article <3B61...@MailAndNews.com>, al-Arab al-Akbar
> <al-Arab_...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>
> > >===== Original Message From Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> =====
> > >> We are Christian,
> >
> > Ya nasrani, kalb awani!!!!
>
> In'al abbouk ya ibn al kalb.
>
> Ranee
>
>
notbob
Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this group...
Really? I didn't know that. Looking up the word "xmas", we find:
X·mas...
Usage Note: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious
writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of,
“Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian,
“Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often
mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms).
Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a
commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=xmas
It would appear those who are offended are just uninformed. Now, they
know better.
nb
notbob
Regina Holt wrote:
>
> A lot of interesting things have been said. And as an ordained minister
> I've found this thread quite thought provoking. Personlly, I don't care
> what anyone's beliefs are or even if a person has any beliefs at all.
> My own religion does not have a tradition of browbeating persons with
> the specifics of belief. Furthermore, 11 years ago duing a church
> service here in DC a nutcase disrupted services by bursting in, shouting
> that only Jesus could save us, and tossing what turned out to be a dud
> grenade. Understandably I don't like to be in the company of any sort
> of zealot. Mother
> Teresa wrote that if a person is a Buddhist then that person should be
> the very best Budhist possible. This idea was then expanded with the
> other religious sects, the thrust of which was whatever you believe to
> use it to be the very best you can be. IIRC, the book was entitled " Do
> Small Things With Great Love"
Well said. I belong to the Church of Julia. May she anointeth me with
butter and my mousse never fal(l)ter.
nb
Michel Boucher
news:3B5B80A9...@NOThome.com:
>> "Do
>> Small Things With Great Love"
>
> Well said. I belong to the Church of Julia.
Personally, I believe in Ino Leukothea, the White Goddess, who saved
Odysseos from drowning as his ship was breaking up before he arrived on
the isle of the Phaeacians, and also gave to the world her son,
Melicertes, the honey-eater, who was reborn as Palaemon, founder of the
Isthmic games. His father was called Anaxandros...king of Man. Makes
one wonder, eh?
However, I don't have to have faith in the existence of Ino. I can see
her every day, if I choose, as the first line of light on the eastern
horizon, the white bear giving birth to the day. Every good thing
comes from the change from darkness to light and so she is the mother
of all civilisation.
I'm also a socialist, but socialism is lawful to the followers of Ino.
I say that, so it must be true.
Ranee Mueller
wrote:
*grin* I figured if he thought he could damn me...
Regards,
Damsel in dis Dress
>Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>>
>> You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this
>> group...
>
>Really? I didn't know that.
Yes, it's true ... a request was made earlier, asking that people not use
that term. Now, the fact that X is the first initial for Christ in some
language doesn't affect that fact that some people are offended by the
term, right or wrong. It wouldn't have hurt the poster I was talking to,
to be a bit more sensitive to this person's wishes.
I, personally, object to the term, although I don't consider myself a
Christian. So, X is the first letter of the word for Christ ... it's an
abbreviation for the word ... and a sign of disrespect, as far as I'm
concerned. I know that others feel the same way.
Continuing to use the abbreviation, in the presence of someone who has
expressed discomfort with the practice, is just plain rude.
Damsel
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Isadora Cohen
> In article <3B61...@MailAndNews.com>, al-Arab al-Akbar
> <al-Arab_...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>
> > >===== Original Message From Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> =====
> > >> We are Christian,
> >
> > Ya nasrani, kalb awani!!!!
>
> In'al abbouk ya ibn al kalb.
Tislami! :-)
-I.
Archon
> Continuing to use the abbreviation, in the presence of someone who has
> expressed discomfort with the practice, is just plain rude.
However, I did not notice any such request not to use it.
The Trinker
Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> notbob <not...@NOThome.com> wrote:
>
> >Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> >>
> >> You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this
> >> group...
> >
> >Really? I didn't know that.
>
> Yes, it's true ... a request was made earlier, asking that people not use
> that term. Now, the fact that X is the first initial for Christ in some
> language doesn't affect that fact that some people are offended by the
> term, right or wrong. It wouldn't have hurt the poster I was talking to,
> to be a bit more sensitive to this person's wishes.
y'know...people objected to someone in Washington, D.C. saying
"niggardly", because they didn't know the origins of the word.
Sometimes that which appears to be, isn't.
Alistair Gale
Gesundheit!
--
alistair
Ranee Mueller
wrote:
> > I've got news for you, the medieval priests are dead. Not only
> > that, but people don't have to be greedy to give and receive gifts.
>
> Who ever said that?
You said that the gifts weren't Christian because of greed.
> > Your
> > information seems to be very outdated, and has not much to do with
> > what's actually in the Bible, or any Christian denomination's
> > cathechism.
>
> but still the symbolism in cristmas does not necessarilly point to
> christianity, which is what you asked: why do non christians even
> celebrate christmas.
That isn't the real symbolism, though. The stars have religious
symbolism, gifts come from the wise men story, the gold and silver from
the Biblical accounts, etc. Santa Claus is what people who want to
pretend that Christmas isn't about Christ focus on.
> > Yes, but to celebrate CHRISTmas and think it isn't about Christ is
> > deluding oneself.
>
> OK, here's the Danish words for those terms:
>
> Christainity: Kristendom
> Christ: Kristus
> Christmas: Jul
Okay. That doesn't mean that Christmas is Yule, pagan or about
anything other than the birth of Christ. I am always amazed that people
who are so antagonistic to Christianity and Christians are so willing to
compromise themselves by celebrating something from the hated religion.
You don't see Klan members celebrating Passover.
> Where's the CHRISTianity in Jul? And funnilly enough it is pronuonced
> like "yule" - only faster ("yul!").
So, your people celebrate Yule and not Christmas? Or they just
couldn't let go of the Pagan stuff? Or they are confused?
> > GIve me real citations on this. Demons are unearthly and perform
> > "magic,"
>
> and they are banned.
>
> > the magicians in the story of Moses and Pharoah were said to
>
> They were "allowed" to do so becasue they were "chosen by god". ANy
> discible trying to do so would be a withc and burned in the stake.
No. You are wrong. Your information is wrong, your knowledge is
wrong. The magicians were most certainly not chosen by God, they were
the antagonists to Moses and Aaron and the Hebrew nation. They were
Egyptians who were part of Pharoah's court, those who were oppressing
God's people.
> > > Why is the story about santa clause and his helper pixies ( or is it
> > > elves in English?) more silly than the Jehova and his helper moses
> > > and
> > > Jesus in the bible? It's all cute little fairy tales.
> >
> > Was this supposed to be funny? Maybe it was lost in translation.
>
> I warned you.
Of what? You said it was a trolling joke. It wasn't offensive, it
was just dumb.
Ranee Mueller
> They were executed at a time when Christianity was not considered a
> serious threat. Perhaps they were not executed for being Christians,
> which I would see as a possibility. Either way, using simple logic,
> if the animal sees no threat and you go in and start acting all weird
> and you get killed, it's because something you did caused the
> creature to see you as a threat, but perhaps not the threat you
> wanted to be.
The fact that the animals were starved and taunted before prisoners
were taken to them had nothing to do with it, I'm sure.
> In the case of the apostles, they knew Romans were intolerant of
> other beliefs from living with them (much as we French-Canadians know
> the English are intolerant of other languages from living with them
> :-)). Given that they knew this and yet chose to go to Rome, what do
> *you* think prompted the Romans to execute them? The fact that they
> talked about Christianity *per*se*, or the fact that what they said
> was not supportive of the polytheistic religion of Rome? I think they
> could have been talking about the Eleusinian mysteries as the basis for
> a monotheistic religion centered on Demeter and *still* gotten their
> balls lopped off.
Right, I never said otherwise. Their religion was against the
religion and teaching of Rome, as was Judaism, as was a great many other
philosophies and religions. You can't really be saying that because
they knew what they were saying was a risk that it was their fault when
they were executed? In that case, Martin Luther King Jr was at fault
for his assasination as was Lincoln, as are any people who speak out and
are imprisoned or killed. While we're at it, why don't we blame that
girl in the short skirt for getting raped? Come on, Michel.
> As for getting to Rome, they were subjects of the Empire, and Paul
> was even a citizen. They were not slaves, so they were free to
> travel. And all roads, as we know, lead to Rome.
So they shouldn't have gone to Rome? If they were so free, they
should have been free to travel and speak, right? Do you blame people
who are mugged because they went to the wrong part of town?
Ranee Mueller
isc...@actcom.co.il (Isadora Cohen) wrote:
LOL!
Michel Boucher
> Read the epistles, St Paul makes many of the same comparisons (eg
> meat sacrificed to idols is lawful, but if it will cause another to
> stumble is unwise). So, church laws in the US are related to the
> government? There is a system of governance in church that is
> outlined in the NT. You are correct in saying that Christianity
> isn't strictly about laws, but it doesn't say that there are no
> laws, or that laws are irrelevant, only that grace takes
> precedence.
Law is an aspect of temporal power, perhaps the most powerful such
aspect. The Church is not (supposed to be) involved in temporal
matters, consequently laws (except within the confines of the Vatican
where it *has* the authority) are ultra vires for the Church. Besides,
it seeks to convince and convert, not browbeat, or at least one would
assume so (historical instances to the contrary notwithstanding).
Archon
> > Who ever said that?
>
> You said that the gifts weren't Christian because of greed.
Is your native tongue english? Becasue there seems to be two
translations taking place - oine from my typiong and one from your
writing. I dind't write that which you claim.
> > but still the symbolism in cristmas does not necessarilly point to
> > christianity, which is what you asked: why do non christians even
> > celebrate christmas.
>
> That isn't the real symbolism, though. The stars have religious
> symbolism, gifts come from the wise men story, the gold and silver from
> the Biblical accounts, etc. Santa Claus is what people who want to
> pretend that Christmas isn't about Christ focus on.
To a christian they symbolize those things - not to me.
> > Christainity: Kristendom
> > Christ: Kristus
> > Christmas: Jul
>
> Okay. That doesn't mean that Christmas is Yule, pagan or about
> anything other than the birth of Christ. I am always amazed that people
> who are so antagonistic to Christianity and Christians are so willing to
> compromise themselves by celebrating something from the hated religion.
> You don't see Klan members celebrating Passover.
What is passover?
> > They were "allowed" to do so becasue they were "chosen by god". ANy
> > discible trying to do so would be a withc and burned in the stake.
>
> No. You are wrong. Your information is wrong, your knowledge is
> wrong. The magicians were most certainly not chosen by God, they were
> the antagonists to Moses and Aaron and the Hebrew nation. They were
> Egyptians who were part of Pharoah's court, those who were oppressing
> God's people.
I was talking about those few christian/jewish people who were allowed
to perform magic in the name of God (e.g. moses) - the other magicians
of the pharoah were not appreciated by God. Thus they were the "bad
guys" as I said christianity sees magic as.
And remember that "believe" is not "believe the existence of".
> > I warned you.
>
> Of what? You said it was a trolling joke. It wasn't offensive, it
> was just dumb
I wrote trolling question - not joke. And you still havent answered.
Ranee Mueller
Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> a écrit dans
> news:raneem-06856B....@news.harbornet.com:
>
> >> Or Protestantism is as tainted with the ancient animistic
> >> religion. Why bring a tree into the house, unless you think it is
> >> a participant in the ritual? Also, similar rituals were probably
> >> present at Beltaine.
> >
> > Sure, you could say that. Even if it is, though, the biblical
> > precedent is that so long as the item/food/celebration/relic/etc
> > isn't used in idol worship or to divert one's faith then it is
> > lawful.
>
> So, then you agree. As an extension to this discssion, one could
> conclude that, if the old ritual can be incorporated into the new
> without causing a dogmatic disturbance, it is preferable that it be so
> if it facilitates integration of the flock. Trees at Christmas,
> Pontifici Maximi, eating flesh and drinking blood in ritual form...
I agree that it could. I don't agree that all of the examples did.
> It is only lawful (as you say) because it not unlawful. This is not
> a proactive stance however.
>
> Furthermore, the use of "lawful" annoys me. Christianity does not
> promulgate laws. Ergo, nothing it does is either lawful or unlawful
> unless it supports or contravenes laws enacted by a body authorized
> to do so. Granted, so bishoprics were able to enact laws, but only
> because they had the king's authority to do so (as ecclesiastical
> counts), and not the Church's.
Read the epistles, St Paul makes many of the same comparisons (eg
meat sacrificed to idols is lawful, but if it will cause another to
stumble is unwise). So, church laws in the US are related to the
government? There is a system of governance in church that is outlined
in the NT. You are correct in saying that Christianity isn't strictly
about laws, but it doesn't say that there are no laws, or that laws are
irrelevant, only that grace takes precedence.
Regards,
Michel Boucher
> In article <Xns90E6CAB52F00...@207.181.101.12>, Michel
> Boucher <alsa...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
>> Either way, using simple logic,
>> if the animal sees no threat and you go in and start acting all
>> weird and you get killed, it's because something you did caused
>> the creature to see you as a threat, but perhaps not the threat
>> you wanted to be.
>
> The fact that the animals were starved and taunted before prisoners
> were taken to them had nothing to do with it, I'm sure.
I was speaking metaphorically, not about "panem et circenses".
>> I think they
>> could have been talking about the Eleusinian mysteries as the
>> basis for a monotheistic religion centered on Demeter and *still*
>> gotten their balls lopped off.
>
> You can't really be saying that because
> they knew what they were saying was a risk that it was their fault
> when they were executed?
They were certainly aware that they were taunting the beast.
Remember that martyrdom is the highest calling for a Christian. How
does one become a martyr if there's no one to drive a spear through
your gut or stick your flayed body onto a cross? The Irish (after
Padraig who converted Ireland, so the legend goes, without spilling a
drop of blood) achieved it in a typically creative fashion by exiling
themselves from Eire and suffering thereby the most awful tortures of
being away from their beloved land. But when in Rome...
> In that case, Martin Luther King Jr was at fault
> for his assasination as was Lincoln, as are any people who speak
> out and are imprisoned or killed. While we're at it, why don't we
> blame that girl in the short skirt for getting raped? Come on,
> Michel.
I think YOu're fishing for similes here that don't in fact exist.
Concentrate on martyrdom and you'll be more focussed.
>> As for getting to Rome, they were subjects of the Empire, and Paul
>> was even a citizen. They were not slaves, so they were free to
>> travel. And all roads, as we know, lead to Rome.
>
> So they shouldn't have gone to Rome?
It depends what they wanted, dunnit? If they were looking for
martyrdom, they went to the right place. And note that Christians
weren't the only ones being executed. Are the others martyrs as well?
Do Christiuans ever ask themselves who they were, these fellow
travellers? Ever wonder why no followers of Christ were martyred
before he was? Miracle, or crowd control?
> If they were so free, they
> should have been free to travel and speak, right?
Are you equating the right to move your feet with the right to move
your tongue? I think that's a big (and ahistorically biased) leap.
> Do you blame people
> who are mugged because they went to the wrong part of town?
If what they wanted was to get mugged, no. If they knew they could
be mugged and disregarded warnings to that effect and were anyway,
yes. People should accept responsibility for their actions.
Boron Elgar
<ran...@harbornet.com> wrote:
>
>> As for getting to Rome, they were subjects of the Empire, and Paul
>> was even a citizen. They were not slaves, so they were free to
>> travel. And all roads, as we know, lead to Rome.
>
> So they shouldn't have gone to Rome? If they were so free, they
>should have been free to travel and speak, right? Do you blame people
>who are mugged because they went to the wrong part of town?
Roman citizenship (of which there were several classes) never included
free speech. Anything that detracted from absolute loyalty to Rome was
considered a danger & punishable. Jews, Christians, rebellious slaves,
rebels from the provinces...Rome wasn't interested in their ideas at
all & had no qualms about imprisoning them , enslaving them & putting
them to death. If any of this punishment could also be made to provide
entertainment in the circus, well, what the heck.
You might want to look through this for facts on Roman persecution of
Christians (which didn't really get started in earnest until the 3rd
century...long after Paul) This article also mentions in detail many
of the similarities between Mithraism (popular among Roman troops) &
Christianity
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/9446/essays/persecu.html
And then read up on Roman citizenship.
http://www.uah.edu/student_life/organizations/SAL/misc/romancon.html
"ROMAN CITIZENSHIP. --Roman citizenship, like all rights that have
grown up in a long period of time, included many minute details. The
important points, however, may be included under two heads: (i)
political rights, including those of voting (ius suffragii) and
holding office (ius honorum), and (ii) civil rights, especially those
securing personal freedom by the right of appeal (ius provocationis),
etc., and by other privileges limiting the arbitrary power of
magistrates (see remarks on the imperium, below). Among the civil
rights were those of trade (commercii), intermarriage (connubii),
making a will (testamenti), and others, which, though affecting the
status of a man before the law, were unimportant in comparison with
the great political and civil privileges first mentioned. Full
citizens of Rome (cives optimo iure) enjoyed not only all the civil
rights referred to, but also the ius suffragii et honorum; but many
persons, not cives optimo iure, had important civil rights without
being entitled to vote or hold office. The ius provocationis was
especially sought after by foreigners as affording a powerful
protection all over the world in times when the rights of common
humanity were scantily recognized."
Boron
Archon
> Roman citizenship (of which there were several classes) never included
> free speech. Anything that detracted from absolute loyalty to Rome was
> considered a danger & punishable. Jews, Christians, rebellious slaves,
> rebels from the provinces...Rome wasn't interested in their ideas at
> all & had no qualms about imprisoning them , enslaving them & putting
> them to death. If any of this punishment could also be made to provide
> entertainment in the circus, well, what the heck.
Ceasar was god to the romans and speaking ill about him would be the
same as a chistian speaking ill of Jehova - blasphemy.
Michel Boucher
news:3B5C682B...@gvdnet.dk:
> Ceasar was god to the romans and speaking ill about him would be the
> same as a chistian speaking ill of Jehova - blasphemy.
Not Julius. I don't recall anyone thinking of him as a god. Wasn't it
Caligula who first took this title for himself (and made his horse a
senator)?
notbob
Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Continuing to use the abbreviation, in the presence of someone who has
> expressed discomfort with the practice, is just plain rude.
What a coincidence. It makes me uncomfortable when people express their
personal opinions and beliefs in an attempt to manipulate my thinking or
behavior. Now what?
nb
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>Archon <arc...@gvdnet.dk> a écrit dans
>news:3B5C682B...@gvdnet.dk:
>
>> Ceasar was god to the romans and speaking ill about him would be the
>> same as a chistian speaking ill of Jehova - blasphemy.
>
>Not Julius. I don't recall anyone thinking of him as a god. Wasn't it
>Caligula who first took this title for himself (and made his horse a
>senator)?
Augustus declared Big Julie divine, thereby bestowing the same quality
on himself, as Julie's son.
Boron
Archon
> Augustus declared Big Julie divine, thereby bestowing the same quality
> on himself, as Julie's son.
>
I meant more position-wise as God.
Boron Elgar
>
>> Augustus declared Big Julie divine, thereby bestowing the same quality
>> on himself, as Julie's son.
>>
>
>I meant more position-wise as God.
They had a lot of them, you know.
Boron
Archon
> >I meant more position-wise as God.
>
> They had a lot of them, you know.
>
yep
Michel Boucher
news:hqqoltop18qurhbph...@4ax.com:
> Augustus declared Big Julie divine, thereby bestowing the same
> quality on himself, as Julie's son.
Yes, but it was after the fact.
Peter Aitken
news:raneem-AD6F46....@news.harbornet.com...
<<snips>>
>
> And Jesus was still born sometime in the Spring, so it doesn't really
> matter which date in December is the holiday.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
If Jesus was born at all. What many people do not realize is that there is
not a shred of historical evidence, outside the new testament, that Jesus
existed at all. The new testament was written by men whose primary concern
was the spread and establishment of a new religion, and the use of some
creative fiction would not be too surprising. Regardless of whether Jesus
ever existed, the teachings attributed to him retain their immense value.
Now if we could only get the Christians to follow them!
--
Peter Aitken
Remove the crap from my email address before using.
Denise Borgen
agnostic. Christmas has plenty of pagan roots, as well.
Denise
Ranee Mueller (ran...@harbornet.com) wrote:
deletia...
: We are Christian, and we don't do the circus they call Christmas.
: The kids get presents, but not a huge pile of them, we don't do the
: commercialism. Our kids learn about St. Nicholas, that Santa Claus is
: pretend. I never understood why people who weren't Christian would
: celebrate Christmas, though. There are loads of winter holidays, you
: can pick from the ones that fit your religion or philosophy.
: Regards,
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans
>news:hqqoltop18qurhbph...@4ax.com:
>
>> Augustus declared Big Julie divine, thereby bestowing the same
>> quality on himself, as Julie's son.
>
>Yes, but it was after the fact.
Julius died, and in his will, adopted his nephew, Octavian. In July
of 44 BC, a comet appeared & Augustus (Octavian) used it as a "sign"
& declared that Julius was divine.
Shakespeare, though wonderful with words, sucked at history.
Boron
Michel Boucher
> Shakespeare, though wonderful with words, sucked at history.
You mean Lord Oxford, of course...
Damsel in dis Dress
>Regardless of whether Jesus
>ever existed, the teachings attributed to him retain their immense value.
>Now if we could only get the Christians to follow them!
Yeah, a lot of weird stuff happens in the name of Christianity. BUT, there
are a lot of very sincere, very good Christians out there. Many of them
are my friends. While being a good person and being a Christian don't
always go hand-in-hand, they are not mutually exclusive, either.
Damsel, in favor of good people, no matter what they call themselves
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans
>news:7jcplto0ddj3iqj6s...@4ax.com:
>
>> Shakespeare, though wonderful with words, sucked at history.
>
>You mean Lord Oxford, of course...
Along with all the others attributed, of course.
Boron
Boron Elgar
<dam...@spam-me-not.postmark.net> wrote:
>"Peter Aitken" <pai...@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Regardless of whether Jesus
>>ever existed, the teachings attributed to him retain their immense value.
>>Now if we could only get the Christians to follow them!
>
>Yeah, a lot of weird stuff happens in the name of Christianity. BUT, there
>are a lot of very sincere, very good Christians out there. Many of them
>are my friends. While being a good person and being a Christian don't
>always go hand-in-hand, they are not mutually exclusive, either.
>
>Damsel, in favor of good people, no matter what they call themselves
What a wonderful way to bring this to the topic that should be at
hand...I'll drink to that!
Boron
Archon
> Yeah, a lot of weird stuff happens in the name of Christianity. BUT, there
> are a lot of very sincere, very good Christians out there. Many of them
> are my friends. While being a good person and being a Christian don't
> always go hand-in-hand, they are not mutually exclusive, either.
Good, then we all agree.
Kate Connally
> "Ranee Mueller" <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> news:raneem-7BB13A....@news.harbornet.com...
> > In article <q8867.947$LP2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "MH" <bast...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Ranee Mueller <ran...@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:raneem-6DAB04....@news.harbornet.com...
> >
> > > >
> > > > Except that for people who craft of cook for this holiday, we _do_
> > > > actually have to start mid-summer. This isn't just hype, it's the
> > > > difference between my ILs getting their nice hand knit garments and a
> > > > basket of preserves and breads, versus them getting dental floss and
> an
> > > > extra pack of toilet paper.
> > >
> > > As soon as this NG is alt.craft.cooking that will be fine.
> >
> > That of was supposed to read or. Typo. Either way, though, since
> > when are you the appointed topic police? The person who opened up the
> > Christmas talk was asking a legitimate question, what do I need to start
> > now in order for it to be ready for Christmas. A lot of people do start
> > organizing, collecting recipes, preserving, whatever, this early. If
> > you, or anyone else, can't cope, you can delete, mark read, or killfile
> > any thread with Christmas, Xmas, X-mas, or whatever in it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ranee
> >
> (laughing) Ranee, I can understand a person's frustration at having
> Christmas shoved at them by stores in July. But some people need to start
> early. Baking, preserving, knitting booties, whatever.
Of course, but no mention of It need be made to
do so! One can ask for recipes, etc., without specifying
that it's for It presents.
> If I'm going to do Christmas I start buying gifts now and tend to be done by
> Halloween. This way I avoid the holiday "rush" and the inflated prices and
> lack of product availability that comes about with holiday gift buying.
> I've found I'm much less stressed about the holiday crap than other people
> who are frantically searching for gifts in December.
Fine, buy presents now for later but that doesn't
require actual mention of It, does it?
And, again, apparently many who have responded
to my post seem to lack any sense of humor and take
everything they read seriously. Well, okay, I was
about half serious. But lighten up, people! Sheesh!
Kate
Kate Connally
> Archon <arc...@gvdnet.dk> wrote:
>
> >Celebrating xmas has nothing really to do with christianity.
> >Overindulging in drinking and eating (which is a sin), give presents,
> >have xmas tree, pixies (a sin to believe in those magical creatures),
> >santa clause and all that has nothing to do with xtianity. In DK few
> >people go to church at xmas, for example.
>
> You know that the term, "xmas," bothers some of the people in this group,
> yet you go right ahead, and use it anyway. What you lack in class, you
> make up for in rudeness. It's time for you and someone else who is
> intolerent of others' beliefs, to crawl back into my killfile.
Xmas, Xmas, Xmas!!!! So there! And by your
criterion no one should be allowed to use the
following words (as they all offend me! and
possibly many others on rfc as well!)
beet
mushroom
broccoli
coffee
(many more to numerous to list)
Kate
P. S. You used the word yourself in complaining
about it's use (how's that for a paradox?) and
to top it off you didn't even capitalize it!!! Now
that's RUDE! :-)
Kate
Kate Connally
> Y'all were having so much fun fussin about That Holiday that I found some
> tapes and sang carols all afternoon. Will drop a clove in my evening glass
> of wine. I love That Holiday, complete with warts and try and think about
> philosophical stuff from time to time. Can our world society be fixed? In
> geological time, we're still babies (with nasty toys). (thanks for the
> elbow jiggle, time to go plan a few presents)
Edrena,
Thank you for your sensitivity and restraint!
I hope when it finally gets here many, many
months from now you have a merry time on
That Holiday.
Kate
Kate Connally
> Kate Connally <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
> news:3B5854CD...@pitt.edu...
> > mention it again until Dec. 1st!!!! I would like to request
> > that the subscribers of rfc refrain from posting any
> > message containing the word for the winter circum-
> > solstice celebration of the anniversary of the birth,
> > a little over 2000 years ago, of the person of Jewish
> > origin believed by many persons of a religious bent
> > to be the birth-son of their supreme deity.
> >
> > Every year mention of and obsession with It start
> > earlier and earlier and by the time It actually arrives
> > I'm really, really sick of It already. I would really like
> > to be able to enjoy It again as I did when I was a
> > child and the world was a simpler place and we
> > were bombarded by It-related stuff until much
> > closer to the actual date in question. Have a
> > heart, people! Please!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kate
> >
> WOO HOO!!!
>
> Kate, you are my new Hero!!!!!!!
MH,
Thanks for your support. Perhaps this could
become a movement! Maybe we could get
Arlo Guthrie to write us a theme song!!!
Kate