If the "right to bear arms" is an American birthright, then why isn't the NRA a Federal agency?

[Too_Many_Tools]

If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.

And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
owners for firearm and ammo purchases.

They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
free".

TMT

[Rachel Bolan]

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

<^^^^^

TMT is dipping into DooDoo's Fortress's Pantry, and snorting his stash of
Lookout's Ambien!

[Bob La Londe]

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Freedom from tyranny isn't free. It was bought with the lives and blood of
gun owners. The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given
right. It is a right taken and held by the people. It is the same right
that protects your right to spout bile.

[Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:53:50 -0400, "Rachel Bolan" <Ski...@bass.gov>
wrote:

Were you born stupid?

[Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:46:00 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com>
wrote:

I KNOW you were born stupid.

[Fred E Brown]

"Rachel Bolan" <Ski...@bass.gov> wrote in message
news:4fd24a39$0$11527$607e...@cv.net...

Yep, he's avoiding talking about Walker's win in Wisconsin.

[Fred E Brown]

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

I hear Romney will tap Wayne LaPierre for head of the BATFE,
expect some big shakeups.

[Fred E Brown]

"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oam4t79vu19uj41a0...@6ax.com...

What a well thought out response, you and Obama must have the same
speech writer. Your wife go down all the way?

[Stormin Mormon]

The founding fathers called it "endowed by our creator".

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...

[Stormin Mormon]

Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun restrictive.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Fred E Brown" <frede...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4fd25cf6$0$82419

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...

>

> The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given right. It is a
> right taken and held by the people. It is the same right that protects
> your right to spout bile.
>

Baloney...

--the right to keep and bear arms was granted under the 2nd amendment along
with the rest of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791, which was nearly a
decade after the revolutionary war had ended.

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:20:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun restrictive.

Michigan? He isn't *from* Massachusetts. He grew up in Bloomfield
Hills.

Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
"principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
political payoff.

--
Ed Huntress

[Scout]

"PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:M-ydned8X9oG8E_S...@scnresearch.com...

>
> "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...
>
>>
>> The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given right. It is a
>> right taken and held by the people. It is the same right that protects
>> your right to spout bile.
>>
>
> Baloney...
>
> --the right to keep and bear arms was granted under the 2nd amendment
> along with the rest of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791,

Sorry, but our rights weren't granted by the BOR....rather the BOR was
ratified to protect our rights.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:jqts9b$6k6$1...@dont-email.me...

Apparently you missed my point entirely, given that under British rule, the
colonists were REQUIRED to keep and bear arms.

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:%_tAr.57897$rp5....@news.usenetserver.com:

> The founding fathers called it "endowed by our creator".

Hmmm, that creator seems to have "endowed" black folk more than white
folk, brown folk or yellow folk. ;)

> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...
>
> Freedom from tyranny isn't free. It was bought with the lives and
> blood of gun owners. The right to keep and bear arms is not a
> government given right. It is a right taken and held by the people.
> It is the same right that protects your right to spout bile.
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:K3uAr.1565$MJ3...@news.usenetserver.com:

> Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
restrictive.

Not when compared to Obama and Chicago.

> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Fred E Brown" <frede...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:4fd25cf6$0$82419
>
> I hear Romney will tap Wayne LaPierre for head of the BATFE,
> expect some big shakeups.

[RD Sandman]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:20:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
restrictive.
>
> Michigan? He isn't *from* Massachusetts. He grew up in Bloomfield
> Hills.
>
> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
> political payoff.
>

Which doesn't make him much different from anyone else running for the
presidency.

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:28:28 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:20:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
>restrictive.
>>
>> Michigan? He isn't *from* Massachusetts. He grew up in Bloomfield
>> Hills.
>>
>> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
>> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
>> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
>> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
>> political payoff.
>>
>
>Which doesn't make him much different from anyone else running for the
>presidency.

No, document his flip-flops and they're more extreme, ranging from
health care mandates (CNN: 'Romney essentially called on Obama to
require Americans to buy insurance as part of the federal health care
plan, imposing what Romney called "tax penalties" as a backstop';
"Most Americans want to get rid of the (Affordable Care Act), and we
are among those Americans," Romney said. "I want to get rid of it,
too."

...to Roe v. Wade ("I will preserve and protect a woman's right to
choose, and I am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that
regard":; 的'd like to see Roe v. Wade overturned.")

This clown has raised the bar for all time on contradictions tailored
to gain votes.

Never have we seen such a weasel.

--
Ed Huntress

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 8, 3:15 pm, "Fred E Brown" <fredebr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

LOL...I hear that Romney is tapping the Wife of the Week.

Have they decided which one will be the First Lady or will the one
wearing the Magic Underwear be it?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 8, 4:20 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun restrictive.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>

> "Fred E Brown" <fredebr...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

> news:4fd25cf6$0$82419
>
> I hear Romney will tap Wayne LaPierre for head of the BATFE,
> expect some big shakeups.

Conservatives always want to ignore that Romney is a long time gun
grabber.

The fewer guns his wives have, the less likely he will be shot by
them.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 8, 5:52 pm, Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:28:28 -0500, RD Sandman
>
>
>
>
>
> <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

> >Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote in

> >news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:
>
> >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:20:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> >> <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
> >restrictive.
>
> >> Michigan? He isn't *from* Massachusetts. He grew up in Bloomfield
> >> Hills.
>
> >> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
> >> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
> >> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
> >> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
> >> political payoff.
>
> >Which doesn't make him much different from anyone else running for the
> >presidency.
>
> No, document his flip-flops and they're more extreme, ranging from
> health care mandates (CNN: 'Romney essentially called on Obama to
> require Americans to buy insurance as part of the federal health care
> plan, imposing what Romney called "tax penalties" as a backstop';
> "Most Americans want to get rid of the (Affordable Care Act), and we
> are among those Americans," Romney said. "I want to get rid of it,
> too."
>
> ...to Roe v. Wade ("I will preserve and protect a woman's right to
> choose, and I am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that

> regard":; I'd like to see Roe v. Wade overturned.")

>
> This clown has raised the bar for all time on contradictions tailored
> to gain votes.
>
> Never have we seen such a weasel.
>
> --

> Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree.

And not a word from the conservatives.

Hypocrites.

TMT

[RD Sandman]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in

news:pbv4t7lmvt4mrlc4o...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:28:28 -0500, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>>news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:20:30 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
>>restrictive.
>>>
>>> Michigan? He isn't *from* Massachusetts. He grew up in Bloomfield
>>> Hills.
>>>
>>> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
>>> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
>>> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
>>> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
>>> political payoff.
>>>
>>
>>Which doesn't make him much different from anyone else running for the
>>presidency.
>
> No, document his flip-flops and they're more extreme,

I find it interesting that Romney "flipflops", Obama "evolves".

ranging from
> health care mandates (CNN: 'Romney essentially called on Obama to
> require Americans to buy insurance as part of the federal health care
> plan, imposing what Romney called "tax penalties" as a backstop';
> "Most Americans want to get rid of the (Affordable Care Act), and we
> are among those Americans," Romney said. "I want to get rid of it,
> too."

I would, too, if I were running for president. Of course, I dislike three
things about Obamacare.....the individual mandate, the special
dispensations for certain states and politicians, and the overall cost.
The individual mandate because it treats a citizen worse than it would an
illegal alien. The citizen can be fined a penalty and that penalty turned
over to the IRS for payment as part of my taxes. Yes, there are statements
there that it cannot be used to imprison you, but try not paying your tax
bill. You don't go to prison for not having healthcare, you go to prison
for tax evasion......just like Al Capone. ;)

> ...to Roe v. Wade ("I will preserve and protect a woman's right to
> choose, and I am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that
> regard":; 的'd like to see Roe v. Wade overturned.")

Most Republicans would.

> This clown has raised the bar for all time on contradictions tailored
> to gain votes.
>
> Never have we seen such a weasel.

While true, you need to compare what Obama said while campaigning to what
is occurring now. I believe that Obama is a very intelligent campaigner
who is an excellent speaker. I don't believe that he is a leader.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 8, 2:46 pm, "Bob La Londe" <n...@none.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Hmm..I thought it was bought by the taxes paid by Americans.

And that is why Bush left us holding a TRILLION dollar tab.

TMT

[Scout]

"PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in message

news:UISdnQjmzNzw5E_S...@scnresearch.com...

Right...which is why they were engaged in confiscating those arms and
prohibiting the bearing of them.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.

There would be no dues, we'd all belong for free. In fact, Congress
would have to budget money every year for it

Good idea!

[max headroom]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:

> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
> political payoff.

Kinda like Bill Clinton, who ran with whatever the overnight polls said was most popular.

[Stormin Mormon]

Being as many people think Mormons are all homophobes,
I'll just run, screaming, and hide under the bed instead of
commenting on this.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA06C9B7AC...@216.196.121.131...

[Stormin Mormon]

I'd like to repeal every gun law from about 1965 forward. I also think that
won't happen till the next revolution. The one when the Constitution is
restored.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA06C9B9E8...@216.196.121.131...

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:K3uAr.1565$MJ3...@news.usenetserver.com:
>
>> Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
>restrictive.
>
>Not when compared to Obama and Chicago.

Let's take a look!

http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/IL
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/MA

Illinois scores a 35 while Massachusetts scores a 65 and is ranked
third in "States With Gun Control Laws That Make Sarah Swoon With
Pleasure."

"The city of Chicago requires residents to complete a firearm safety
course, receive a background check including fingerprinting, and then
pay a $100 permit fee which is renewed every three years. Registration
of any handgun will assume an additional one time fee of $15.00"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#Illinois

Doesn't look to me like Romney is any friend to gun owners.

Romney ... backed two gun-control measures that were strongly opposed
by the National Rifle Association: the Brady Law, which imposed a
five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault
weapons, saying, "I think they will help."
Source: The Real Romney, by Kranish & Helman, p.185 , Jan 17, 2012

Fuck 'im.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 8, 1:34 pm, Too_Many_Tools_/_Too_Few_Brains
<too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
> If the "right to bear arms" is an American birthright,
> then why isn't the NRA a Federal agency?
>
If ToolManTimmy is so "smart," why does he post such stupid questions
to Usenet?

Just one such example:

[Quote]

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> On Jun 7, 3:22 pm, Chip Dayton <cjday...@cox.net> wrote:

>
>> "Kalarama" <xx...@whobody.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>> news:f4426cf6-39a3-4b62...@r13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Looking for a homebuilt design or a CHEAP INDOOR VHF antenna
>>>> to replace rabbit ear antennas.
>>>> I am trying to help several people who have the typical rabbit ear
>>>> antenna and have NO CHOICE but to use an indoor solution.
>>>> Is there anything out there?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> TMT
>>>
>>> A. What's their location?
>>> B. Why do they have no choice?
>>
>> Don't bother, he won't tell you where he is or
>> what the situation is that prevents outdoor use.
>>
>> Chip
>
> And why does that matter to you Chip?
>
> TMT
>
Simple, so simple even you may understand.
You are a troll, and I believe that trolls
should be called out, made fun of, and then
run back under the bridge they crawled out from.

Chip Dayton <cjday...@cox.net>

"LOL! I think you may have hit the nail on the head about
TMT...grumbling at the world from his fifth-floor walkup..."
--Patty Winter

http://www.hightv.de/showthread.php?t=35537

[/Quote]

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 8, 3:15 pm, "Fred E Brown" <fredebr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>
>> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
>> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
>> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
>> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>
>> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers....
>> "Freedom to own guns isn't free".
>

>> TooManTim

>
> I hear Romney will tap Wayne LaPierre for head of the BATFE,
> expect some big shakeups.
>

http://tinyurl.com/RimShot-Wave

[Ed Huntress]

You're full of crap.

--
Ed Huntress
>

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 8, 9:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61@hotmail,com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to repeal every gun law from about 1965 forward.
>

Start in 1933 and I'll go along with you on that notion.

>
> I also think that won't happen till the next revolution.
> The one when the Constitution is restored.
>

"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
--Ed Howdershelt

"In America, freedom and justice have always come from the
ballot box, the jury box, and when that fails, the cartridge box."
-- Steve Symms, US Senator from Idaho, 1990

>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote
> in message news:XnsA06C9B9E8...@216.196.121.131...
>

>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote

>> in news:K3uAr.1565$MJ3...@news.usenetserver.com:
>
>>> Please remember that Romney is from a state that is very gun
>>> restrictive.
>
>> Not when compared to Obama and Chicago.
>

"Foolish Liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment
out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or
that it's too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger
in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others
to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution
they don't like."
— Alan Morton Dershowitz, Liberal Lawyer & Gun Control Advocate

[Jay Herblock]

On Jun 8, 2:34 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>
> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>
> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
> free".
>

> TMT

You must be confused.
The Right To Bear Arms is written in the Bill of Rights.
We don't need any NRA to make it real and Law.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 8, 1:34 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>
> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>
> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
> free".
>
> TMT

I wonder if the NRA will ever admit that they share their membership
list with the Feds?

TMT

[Wisonsin Loser Slug]

In article <356875e9-84fa-4e2d-ad23-
75bd58...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>

Honesty bothers you, doesn't it?

> TMT

[Gray Guest]

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:v9m4t7tchh60c75qa...@6ax.com:

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:53:50 -0400, "Rachel Bolan" <Ski...@bass.gov>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
>>news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>

>>If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>>used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>>
>>And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
>>the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
>>assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
>>owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>>
>>They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
>>free".
>>
>>TMT
>>

>><^^^^^
>>
>>TMT is dipping into DooDoo's Fortress's Pantry, and snorting his stash
of
>>Lookout's Ambien!
>
>
> Were you born stupid?
>
>

Apparently you were.

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

[Gray Guest]

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:oam4t79vu19uj41a0...@6ax.com:

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:46:00 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>news:4387eea3-5c5e-41fa...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>>> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>>>
>>> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
>>> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
>>> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
>>> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>>>
>>> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
>>> free".
>>
>>

>>Freedom from tyranny isn't free. It was bought with the lives and blood

>>of gun owners. The right to keep and bear arms is not a government

>>given right. It is a right taken and held by the people. It is the
>>same right that protects your right to spout bile.
>>
>>
>

> I KNOW you were born stupid.
>

I knew your brain had been liquified. And dripped out your ears.

[Gray Guest]

"PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in
news:M-ydned8X9oG8E_S...@scnresearch.com:

>
> "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...

>
>>
>> The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given right. It is
>> a right taken and held by the people. It is the same right that
>> protects your right to spout bile.
>>
>

> Baloney...
>
> --the right to keep and bear arms was granted under the 2nd amendment

> along with the rest of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791, which
> was nearly a decade after the revolutionary war had ended.
>
>
>

No stupid, it was not. It recognizes an existing right.

Unless you want to claim that the rest of the BoR grants rights.

Oh please go ahead make that statement.

[Gray Guest]

"PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in
news:UISdnQjmzNzw5E_S...@scnresearch.com:

>
> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:jqts9b$6k6$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>
>> "PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:M-ydned8X9oG8E_S...@scnresearch.com...
>>>

>>> "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given right. It
>>>> is a right taken and held by the people. It is the same right that
>>>> protects your right to spout bile.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Baloney...
>>>
>>> --the right to keep and bear arms was granted under the 2nd amendment
>>> along with the rest of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791,
>>

>> Sorry, but our rights weren't granted by the BOR....rather the BOR was
>> ratified to protect our rights.
>>
>
> Apparently you missed my point entirely, given that under British rule,
> the colonists were REQUIRED to keep and bear arms.
>
>
>
>

So when the British Army marched on Lexington and Concord it was to inspect
the local's arms, not confiscate them?

You are one illeducated son of a bitch. My dumbest dog scores higher on IQ
tests than you do.

[Gray Guest]

Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:356875e9-84fa-4e2d-
ad23-75b...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

And your proof of that is?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Cite

[max headroom]

Wisonsin Loser Slug <los...@slugs.com> wrote in news:P35Y887W4106...@reece.net.au:

> In article <356875e9-84fa-4e2d...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>

> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I wonder if the NRA will ever admit that they share their membership
>> list with the Feds?

> Honesty bothers you, doesn't it?

It's totally alien to him.

[Stormin Mormon]

My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun laws that
follow the Constitution.

Yours would be the next step.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ab7fff05-7ed3-488d...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q8yAr.9480$%w4....@news.usenetserver.com...

> Being as many people think Mormons are all homophobes,
> I'll just run, screaming, and hide under the bed instead of
> commenting on this.
>

Thus proving them correct.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Wisonsin Loser Slug" <los...@slugs.com> on 9 Jun 2012 05:52:06 -0000
typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 8, 1:34 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>> > used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>> >
>> > And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
>> > the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
>> > assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
>> > owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>> >
>> > They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
>> > free".
>> >
>> > TMT
>>
>> I wonder if the NRA will ever admit that they share their membership
>> list with the Feds?
>
>Honesty bothers you, doesn't it?

Reality would bother him, if it was capable of interfacing with
it.

II wonder what government agency he reports his data to?
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
with a little gray hair be an old fart!

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/9/2012 10:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun laws that
> follow the Constitution.
>

What gun laws are constitutional?


["Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, *the right of the people to keep and bear Arms* , *shall not*
*be* *infringed* ."]

Which GUN laws do not infringe on my RIGHTS.

--
*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-

-Kum bay ya- ☠

[Stormin Mormon]

Ah, but you havn't seen to the next couple steps
that I propose..... Wait till I repeal all the laws
back to the 1776 level "restore point".

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FD388CC...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

-Kum bay ya- ?

[RD Sandman]

JohnJohnsn <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ab7fff05-7ed3-488d-8b22-
47bcf2...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

This last is the smartest comment of the three.

--

Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4FD388CC...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

> On 6/9/2012 10:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun laws
>> that follow the Constitution.
>>
>
> What gun laws are constitutional?
>
>
> ["Amendment II
>
> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> State, *the right of the people to keep and bear Arms* , *shall not*
> *be* *infringed* ."]
>
> Which GUN laws do not infringe on my RIGHTS.
>

Which ones do you think do? After all, you are the one complaining.
Please be specific.

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:XhNAr.1012$yD7...@news.usenetserver.com:

> Ah, but you havn't seen to the next couple steps
> that I propose..... Wait till I repeal all the laws
> back to the 1776 level "restore point".

To be Constitutional, you need only go back to 1791 after the
constitution was ratified in 1789 and the Bor was ratified in 1791.

> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote
> in message news:4FD388CC...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
> On 6/9/2012 10:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun laws
>> that follow the Constitution.
>>
>
> What gun laws are constitutional?
>
>
> ["Amendment II
>
> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> State, *the right of the people to keep and bear Arms* , *shall not*
> *be* *infringed* ."]
>
> Which GUN laws do not infringe on my RIGHTS.
>



--

[RD Sandman]

Jay Herblock <jayhe...@gmail.com> wrote in news:2d70447b-beac-4053-
9e11-186...@fr28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

No, it isn't. Protection of the right is.

> We don't need any NRA to make it real and Law.
>

[Scout]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mrJAr.1374$aF6...@news.usenetserver.com...

> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun laws that
> follow the Constitution.

I'm curious...

Please detail for me some of your "sensible gun laws that follow the
Constitution".

[Stormin Mormon]

All of them.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>

[Stormin Mormon]

Very true. The BOR is a list of restrictions on government.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA06D8593A...@216.196.121.131...

[Stormin Mormon]

Here is the list:


End of list.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:jr0ds0$m8v$1...@dont-email.me...

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/8/2012 9:12 PM, max headroom wrote:
> Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:
>
>> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
>> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
>> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
>> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
>> political payoff.
>
> Kinda like Bill Clinton, who ran with whatever the overnight polls said was most popular.
>
>

So Obama will lie cheat and sell guns illegally across the border to get
a ban on guns because that's what he wants, while Romney will do what
ever gets MY vote?




Now that's a tough call?


Obama the LIAR that will stab me in the back, or Romney that will do
what I elect him to do...



Let me think about this one until November OK.

--
*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-

-Kum bay ya- ☠

[Ed Huntress]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:23:22 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

>On 6/8/2012 9:12 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:uhr4t7h7pnbm6nq8j...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Romney's position on gun control will be whatever he thinks is
>>> politically most advantageous, just like all of his other ersatz
>>> "principles." He's the biggest weasel we've had running for president
>>> in our lifetimes. He'll take whatever position looks like it has a
>>> political payoff.
>>
>> Kinda like Bill Clinton, who ran with whatever the overnight polls said was most popular.
>>
>>
>So Obama will lie cheat and sell guns illegally across the border to get
>a ban on guns because that's what he wants, while Romney will do what
>ever gets MY vote?
>
>
>
>
>Now that's a tough call?
>
>
>Obama the LIAR that will stab me in the back, or Romney that will do
>what I elect him to do...

Romney will do what Wall Street tells him to do, which is to make them
richer and to hell with the rest of us.

--
Ed Huntress

[ATP]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:o0n7t7t5j3fs1pqnf...@4ax.com...

If Romney becomes President, after he dies and becomes a God, will he end up
with a larger planet or more celestial wives?

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 9, 4:05 pm, "Scout" <me4g...@verizon,net> wrote:
>
>
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote

> in message news:mrJAr.1374$aF6...@news.usenetserver.com...
>
>> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun
>> laws that follow the Constitution.
>
> I'm curious...
>
> Please detail for me some of your "sensible gun laws that follow
> the Constitution".
>

How about the Congress passing a law requiring the Department of
Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Department of Defense,
issue an M4 carbine, an M9A1 or M11 pistol, ammunition and all
accompanying accoutrements to any non-prohibited individual U.S.
citizen who requests such issuance in their as of a member of the
"militia of the Constitution;" like the Swiss model?

Would you find that to be a "sensible gun law that follows the
Constitution" and 2nd Amendment's general intent?

I sure would. :D

[Oglethorpe]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:o0n7t7t5j3fs1pqnf...@4ax.com...

Wrong, FUCKTARD. Romney took either $1 or no salary for the Olympics and as
goverbnor. As president he'll put his investments in a trust like Cheney
did.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 9, 7:41 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

> Cite- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you have the necessary security access for the requested
information?

If so, what is the password?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 9, 3:25 am, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:356875e9-84fa-4e2d-
> ad23-75bd58a68...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> http://nukeitfromorbit.com/- Hide quoted text -

[Ed Huntress]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:17:58 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

Acts of noblesse oblige, like taking a dollar salary from a
high-profile organization, when your actual income from investments
amounts to eight figures annually, is a political gesture intended to
impress the slow-witted and the gullible. The term referred to the
need for the nobility to make themselves loved by the unwashed masses.

In your case, it looks like it worked.

--
Ed Huntress
>

[Oglethorpe]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:rpj8t7disau36bsmk...@4ax.com...

You bought Obama's crap. That makes you one dumb son of a bitch.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Thanks for admitting you were lying again. Or is that "still."

[chuckle]

[Stormin Mormon]

Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person
can have his God given right removed? Is there a
constitutional basis for saying a person is prohibited?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:0b0a2eb9-75a5-4897...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:30:26 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

Really? Who's full of crap?

Here's the best desciption I've seen lately about where the "crap" is
coming from. Take a good look at the graph in the middle of the page:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06/obama-steps-on-message-gop-steps-on-economy.html

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:39:24 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person
>can have his God given right removed?

Where did you get the idea that the RKBA is "God-given"? The NRA? It's
a derived right, from self-defense; which, in turn, is derived from a
right to life.

As for where is says a right can be removed, see Article V.

The US Constitution is an interesting document. You should try reading
it sometime.

--
Ed Huntress

[BeamMeUpScotty]

> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:39:24 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person
>> can have his God given right removed?

Only one place and that's where it makes slavery unconstitutional....

["AMENDMENT XIII

Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865. Note: A
portion of Article IV, section 2, of the Constitution was superseded by
the 13th amendment.
Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment* for
crime whereof the party *shall have been duly convicted* , shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."]




Any other violation "Federal or otherwise" of our constitutional rights
is unconstitutional.

[Ed Huntress]

Unless we amend the Constitution. See Article V.

--
Ed Huntress

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions,
but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of
the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as
new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and
opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must
advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a
man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized
society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous
ancestors." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12,
1810

[max headroom]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:o0n7t7t5j3fs1pqnf...@4ax.com:

Obama will do what union leaders tell him to do, which is to make them

richer and to hell with the rest of us.

So, all in all, we're screwed.

[max headroom]

JohnJohnsn <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b0a2eb9-75a5-4897...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 9, 4:05 pm, "Scout" <me4g...@verizon,net> wrote:

>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> in message news:mrJAr.1374$aF6...@news.usenetserver.com...

>>> My plan was a step in the right direction, towards sensible gun
>>> laws that follow the Constitution.

>> I'm curious...

>> Please detail for me some of your "sensible gun laws that follow
>> the Constitution".

> How about the Congress passing a law requiring the Department of
> Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Department of Defense,
> issue an M4 carbine, an M9A1 or M11 pistol, ammunition and all
> accompanying accoutrements to any non-prohibited individual U.S.
> citizen who requests such issuance in their as of a member of the
> "militia of the Constitution;" like the Swiss model?

That's fine and dandy for urban dwellers who may be doing dynamic entries house-to-house, but for
rural Americans, I'd prefer an M1A... and don't scrimp on the grenade launcher! ;)

> Would you find that to be a "sensible gun law that follows the
> Constitution" and 2nd Amendment's general intent?

> I sure would. :D

Hey, works for me! I'd muster monthly for target practice with DHS-provided ammo, too!

[max headroom]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6bt8t7d828nkblvkg...@4ax.com:

We're into June now... has TMT written ANYTHING in 2012 so far that ISN'T a lie?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"max headroom" <maxhe...@localnet.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On April 22 he said, "Proof is something that you can examine. Haven't
seen anything like that yet."

That's pretty much it.

[Ed Huntress]

I think that union leaders are nearly done as a political force. But
there will be a lot of government workers who will push him to reverse
the graph in the middle of this article:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06/obama-steps-on-message-gop-steps-on-economy.html

I doubt if they'll succeed. State governments are going to be broke
for a long time to come. If Republicans win big, the states will be
flat on their backs -- which some of them already are.

The only good thing that would come of it is that the Republicans
would get the idea that their policies are not viable. Then they'll
claim that transferring money to the states was their idea, and
they'll talk up education, firefighting, and policing.

Facing responsibility for their actions, maybe the teabaggers will
then have been co-opted by reality and re-join the real American
political and economic scene, and learn to have real debates and to
compromise. That's not a bad possible outcome, actually.

--
Ed Huntress
>

[Edward A. Falk]

Dumb analogy. If freedom of the press is an American birthright,
then why haven't the newspapers been nationalized?

--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[Tankfixer]

In article <4387eea3-5c5e-41fa-a5af-
163a94...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, - Too_Many_Tools
too_man...@yahoo.com spouted !

>
> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>
> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>
> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
> free".
>
> TMT

Posting drunk again I see

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:X0QAr.25374$cW2....@news.usenetserver.com:

> All of them.

That's not real specific. ;)

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:IA0Br.197037$L45.1...@news.usenetserver.com:

> Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person
> can have his God given right removed?

Nothing personal but as an agnostic what happens to those who do not
believe in God? Do they get the same rights or not?

Is there a
> constitutional basis for saying a person is prohibited?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:0b0a2eb9-75a5-4897-a15a-
604d28...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

>
> How about the Congress passing a law requiring the Department of
> Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Department of Defense,
> issue an M4 carbine, an M9A1 or M11 pistol, ammunition and all
> accompanying accoutrements to any non-prohibited individual U.S.
> citizen who requests such issuance in their as of a member of the
> "militia of the Constitution;" like the Swiss model?
>
> Would you find that to be a "sensible gun law that follows the
> Constitution" and 2nd Amendment's general intent?
>
> I sure would. :D
>
>
>

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:r9f9t7l8bfnuej8c4...@4ax.com...
> ...

> Facing responsibility for their actions, maybe the teabaggers will
> then have been co-opted by reality and re-join the real American
> political and economic scene, and learn to have real debates and to
> compromise. That's not a bad possible outcome, actually.

> Ed Huntress

Are you in an area where the misfits the majority party won't accept
become Republicans? Around here the spiteful losers become Democrats.

[Ed Huntress]

In most of the US now, the Tea Party is getting more antipathy than
support. And they've largely co-opted the Republican Party. Since
their agenda is negative, and they control one of the three components
of the legislative process, they have effective control by veto.

If they win the presidency and/or the Senate in this next election,
their "negative" power will evaporate. They'll have to govern. As
Romney admitted last week, and as most mainstream economists have been
saying, that means they'll be forced to adopt much of Obama's economic
program out of necessity. There is nothing else.

The trick for them will be to change the words, to hide the actual
policies behind populist rhetoric, and to co-opt the whole thing.

Are they that smart and capable? The old-time Republicans will help
them out. After all, Reagan and Bush II both ran profoundly Keynesian
deficit-spending programs in slowdowns, while managing to disguise the
fact. Republicans know how to do it.

--
Ed Huntress

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 5:22 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>

> [chuckle]- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Password please.

Note that by asking for classified intel you have now made yourself a
person of interest.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 11:10 am, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.c00m> wrote:
> In article <4387eea3-5c5e-41fa-a5af-
> 163a9453c...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, - Too_Many_Tools
> too_many_to...@yahoo.com spouted !

>
>
>
> > If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
> > used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
>
> > And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
> > the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
> > assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
> > owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
>
> > They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
> > free".
>
> > TMT
>
> Posting drunk again I see

LOL...now we know who has a bumpersticker on his rusty old vehicle.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 1:06 pm, Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:02:52 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
>

> <muratla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote in message

Well said Ed.

The problem they will have is there is less money to spend...there is
just so much of the middle class left.

Republicans have never been good about creating more meaningful
wealth...just spending what there was.

If they gain power again, I expect them to go after items like vet
benefits, Social Security and Medicare.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 7:39 am, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person
> can have his God given right removed? Is there a
> constitutional basis for saying a person is prohibited?
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>

> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:0b0a2eb9-75a5-4897...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> How about the Congress passing a law requiring the Department of
> Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Department of Defense,
> issue an M4 carbine, an M9A1 or M11 pistol, ammunition and all
> accompanying accoutrements to any non-prohibited individual U.S.
> citizen who requests such issuance in their as of a member of the
> "militia of the Constitution;" like the Swiss model?
>
> Would you find that to be a "sensible gun law that follows the
> Constitution" and 2nd Amendment's general intent?
>
> I sure would.  :D

Why are felons not allowed to own firearms?

Doesn't God love felons?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 2:45 am, Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:17:58 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote in message

> >news:o0n7t7t5j3fs1pqnf...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:23:22 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> >> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On 6/8/2012 9:12 PM, max headroom wrote:

> >>>> Ed Huntress <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote in

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Well said Ed.

If Romney wants to impress me as a voter, then he can donate the bulk
of his wealth to charity and have the total worth like the rest of the
99%.

Until then he is just another Republican hypocrite.

TMT

[max headroom]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:5td9t7d6bvdlq3qbg...@4ax.com:

Thank you. I *thought* he wrote something that shocked me earlier... that was it!

[max headroom]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:r9f9t7l8bfnuej8c4...@4ax.com:

> I think that union leaders are nearly done as a political force....

As long as they have workers' money to toss about, they'll be a force. What did the AFL-CIO, SEIU,
Teamsters, et al throw around in 2008 for political ads? Wasn't it something like $88,000,000?

> ... I doubt if they'll succeed. State governments are going to be broke

> for a long time to come. If Republicans win big, the states will be
> flat on their backs -- which some of them already are.

Regardless of who holds power. States promised more than they could deliver, and the feds placed
unfunded mandates upon them they couldn't afford. Public employee pensions will keep states sucking
wind for a long time.

> The only good thing that would come of it is that the Republicans
> would get the idea that their policies are not viable. Then they'll
> claim that transferring money to the states was their idea, and
> they'll talk up education, firefighting, and policing.

The feds would have to borrow more money to transfer and that's not really an option now.

> Facing responsibility for their actions, maybe the teabaggers will
> then have been co-opted by reality and re-join the real American
> political and economic scene, and learn to have real debates and to
> compromise. That's not a bad possible outcome, actually.

It's the elected officials who have had a rendezvous with reality when the Tea Party DEMANDED to be
heard. I doubt you agree, but I found it inspiring three years ago when Democrats returned to their
home districts to tell the people about ObamaCare and instead found crowds who demanded the
congressmen sit down, shut up, and LISTEN.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 10, 9:56 am, "max headroom" <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:6bt8t7d828nkblvkg...@4ax.com:

>
>
>
>
>
> >> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >> On Jun 9, 7:41 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >>>> On Jun 8, 1:34 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
> >>>>> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.
> >>>>> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
> >>>>> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
> >>>>> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
> >>>>> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.
> >>>>> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't free".
> >>>>> TMT
> >>>> I wonder if the NRA will ever admit that they share their membership
> >>>> list with the Feds?
> >>> Cite- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Do you have the necessary security access for the requested information?
> > Thanks for admitting you were lying again. Or is that "still."
> > [chuckle]
>

> We're into June now... has TMT written ANYTHING in 2012 so far that ISN'T a lie?- Hide quoted text -

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LOL...there is hope for you yet.

Most conservatives don't know what year it is.

TMT

[max headroom]

Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:edd95d7f-3c6c-4b33...@q29g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 10, 9:56 am, "max headroom" <maxheadr...@localnet.com> wrote:

>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:6bt8t7d828nkblvkg...@4ax.com:

>>> Thanks for admitting you were lying again. Or is that "still."

>>> [chuckle]

>> We're into June now... has TMT written ANYTHING in 2012 so far that ISN'T a lie?- Hide quoted
>> text -

>> - Show quoted text -

> LOL...there is hope for you yet.

> Most conservatives don't know what year it is.

Thank you for validating my comment.

[max headroom]

Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:031d719b-f570-42e0...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 10, 11:10 am, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.c00m> wrote:

>> In article <4387eea3-5c5e-41fa-a5af-163a9453c...@n5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, - Too_Many_Tools

>> too_many_to...@yahoo.com spouted !

>>> If the NRA was a Federal agency, the dues we send in would then be
>>> used as tax revenue to offset the National debt.

>>> And with the names and addresses of millions of gun owners available,
>>> the Revenue Collection Division of the NRA would be able to actively
>>> assist in the collection of future taxes that will be imposed on gun
>>> owners for firearm and ammo purchases.

>>> They could even sell NRA bumper stickers...."Freedom to own guns isn't
>>> free".

>>> TMT

>> Posting drunk again I see

> LOL...now we know who has a bumpersticker on his rusty old vehicle.

It was the "Cash for Clunkers" program that got most of those "Obama 08" bumperstickers off the
roads. I haven't seen one of them in many a moon.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

GZG vf n ylvat shpxgneq.

Next!

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:15:21 -0700, "max headroom"

They promised what a decent economy could deliver. Some states mandate
balanced budgets and they managed it while the economy was doing Ok.
But that's the kiss of death when the economy turns down, as they have
learned.

>
>> The only good thing that would come of it is that the Republicans
>> would get the idea that their policies are not viable. Then they'll
>> claim that transferring money to the states was their idea, and
>> they'll talk up education, firefighting, and policing.
>
>The feds would have to borrow more money to transfer and that's not really an option now.

Well, economically it is. Politically it is not -- unless and until
the Republicans gain more power, and realize, as they did for nearly
60 years, that it's the only sensible thing to do when the economy is
slumping and consumption is suffering from high unemployment.

>
>> Facing responsibility for their actions, maybe the teabaggers will
>> then have been co-opted by reality and re-join the real American
>> political and economic scene, and learn to have real debates and to
>> compromise. That's not a bad possible outcome, actually.
>
>It's the elected officials who have had a rendezvous with reality when the Tea Party DEMANDED to be
>heard. I doubt you agree, but I found it inspiring three years ago when Democrats returned to their
>home districts to tell the people about ObamaCare and instead found crowds who demanded the
>congressmen sit down, shut up, and LISTEN.

But listen to what? The ravings of people who have theirs, and who
have been told that universal healthcare, by which others will be able
to get health care, is "socialism"? That the public option is going
to destroy capitalist insurance? That the insurance mandate -- an idea
promoted by Richard Nixon, Newt Gingrich, and Mitt Romney, is a
violation of the Constitution? That deficit spending means we're all
going broke, because they don't know what happened after WWII or what
the consequences are of a downward spiral of consumption and
investment?

I worked with the insurance and pharma industries. I know who fed them
those ideas, and why. And the Republicans just exploited the economics
message. They had no problem with it under Reagan or Bush II.

Overall, I think that kind of populism is a good thing, helping to
keep legislation on the ground and out of the world of abstraction.
But this is a case of people who think that home economics is the way
the economy should run in a sovereign nation with its own currency.
Their thoughts have *some* application in the case of Greece, a
country that is now a slave to the Euro. But not of the United States.
And I'm concerned about how money controls the message. If money is
speech, as the Supreme Court says, then the health care insurance
industry gets to promote its story for 50 minutes and the rest of us
get 10 minutes out of every hour.

I don't get too upset about it because I believe we eventually correct
our mistakes. In my case it probably will be after I'm dead and gone.
But that doesn't bother me too much, either. I care more than we allow
democracy, including populist movements like the Tea Party, to work
its way through the system. It beats the alternative.

--
Ed Huntress
>

[Hawke]

On 6/8/2012 2:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> The founding fathers called it "endowed by our creator".


I saw a special last night with Stephen Hawking about how the universe
came into being. He said how it happened was a natural event and no
supernatural being was involved. He said there was no way for a supreme
being to initiate the big bang because before that there was no time,
therefore no god could have existed before time did. The universe
created itself.

So there you are. Science has proved that god didn't create the
universe. So anything the founders said about our creator was just a
mistake based on their ignorance of science. That means the bottom line
is no "creator" or "god" created the universe or then man. Science is
good. Religion bad.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 6/8/2012 2:53 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "PrecisionmachinisT" <precision...@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:M-ydned8X9oG8E_S...@scnresearch.com...
>>
>> "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:3EsAr.3$PW...@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>>>
>>> The right to keep and bear arms is not a government given right. It
>>> is a right taken and held by the people. It is the same right that
>>> protects your right to spout bile.
>>>
>>
>> Baloney...
>>
>> --the right to keep and bear arms was granted under the 2nd amendment
>> along with the rest of the Bill of Rights on December 15, 1791,
>
> Sorry, but our rights weren't granted by the BOR....rather the BOR was
> ratified to protect our rights.



So if we had rights before they were written down how would you know you
have them? By instinct? Or just because someone said you had them?

Hawke

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:bln9t79f2jhodtnli...@4ax.com...
> ...

> Are they that smart and capable? The old-time Republicans will help
> them out. After all, Reagan and Bush II both ran profoundly
> Keynesian
> deficit-spending programs in slowdowns, while managing to disguise
> the
> fact. Republicans know how to do it.

> Ed Huntress

Obama merely continued the stimulus that Bush began, as well as the
Iraq pullout schedule. He deserves credit for accepting them, blame
for pretending they were all his.

jsw

[Gunner Asch]

That..and a razor blade caused the thinkers to hide their involvement in
that madness by about year 2.....

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

[Ed Huntress]

No, Bush was cutting taxes while the economy was tanking. Actually, he
had already cut them. He wasn't trying to stimulate anything. He was
just running on intertia from an old program of Laffer curves and
supply-side theory.

But he would have had to if he had continued in office. His
economists, like McCain's economists and practically all other
legitimate economists, knew there was no other choice.

He just got out in time to avoid the issue. But his advisors were
already preparing a stimulus program based on deficit spending.

Obama came in with an obvious need to stop the consumption slide, and
enacted a classical, standard-issue stimulus program. It was too
small. Most of the top economists analyzing it said that the amount
would have been appropriate for November 2008, but the slide had
progressed so far by late winter of 2009 that the amount required was
about double what was passed by Congress.

The political lag time prevented it from happening. Then, when it was
obvious that a second stimulus was needed, the Republicans had managed
to build public opinion so strongly against it that it just wasn't
possible.

And that's where we are today. Here's the fairly conservative Samuel
Brittain writing in the *very* conservative _Financial Times_ (UK),
saying that Krugman had it right all along:

"You don’t need to be a lefty to support Krugman"

http://presscuttings.ft.com/presscuttings/s/3/articleText/60691064#axzz1xR5i748N

If you don't have a subscription to the _Financial Times_, get a free
one when you click on that link. You'll be glad you did.

--
Ed Huntress


>
>jsw
>

[JohnJohnsn]

> Where, in the Constitution, does it say that a person

> can have his God-given right removed? Is there a

> constitutional basis for saying a person is prohibited?
>

It's not an "automatic" prohibition: such prohibition comes from such
a person having been adjucated as a "prohibited person" after their
5th Amendment "due process rights" are observed and followed to
fruition; such as: having been convicted of a felony violence offense
(murder, rape, robbery, etc.).

That having been said, I believe that one of the most egregious
violations of Constitutional rights was the passage of the Lautenberg
Amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997; as
it became a defacto "ex post facto" removal of 2nd Amendment rights
for a "crime" which carried no such loss at the time of the
commission.