OT: What is gasoline selling for in your area?
TomDeLorey
here in the South Chicago 'burbs is $1.87, and the bigger place up the street
$1.85. With Crude still way up (though not as bad as it was) I would expect gas
to be around $2.50 per gallon.
Run on open.
Thanks
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> Just curious....what are you paying at the pump these days?
$1.78 at the local SuperAmerica in Roseville, MN (suburb of St. Paul).
Jackie
JSTONE9352
>$1.78 at the local SuperAmerica in Roseville, MN (suburb of St. Paul).
>
I saw $1.65 today (Lansing, Mich.)
The summer driving season is
coming to an end after Labor
day so we might see prices
stablize for awhile. (until the next
major world crisis of course).
Wes Chormicle
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4-hours away from you and I'm paying $1.81.
The reason why it hasn't gotten that high ($2.50 a gl.) is because one of
the largest refineries blew up in the spring and they just now got it back
operating. A *few* years ago it was .37 a gallon.
Dik T. Winter
> Just curious....what are you paying at the pump these days? My corner station
> here in the South Chicago 'burbs is $1.87, and the bigger place up the street
> $1.85. With Crude still way up (though not as bad as it was) I would expect
> gas to be around $2.50 per gallon.
The last time I tanked it was about Euro 1.26 per liter. You may calculate
yourself how much US$ that is for a US-gallon.
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In the close-in Wash DC/Virginia suburbs it's about $2.05 for premium (all I
use). Less than a year ago, when I would head west on Rte 66 and then south
on Rte 81 gas would always be .15 to .20 cheaper. Today, there's no savings
at all. Go figure.
Bruce
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$2.25 by Thursday.
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gallon less than in neighboring Fairfax County..
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Numismatist
yourself how much US$ that is for a US-gallon. >>
Oh no! You mean I have to convert liters to gallons AND Euros to dollars? Sound
like an algebra "word problem".
Local prices in Maine running about $1.89 per gallon for regular. Dik, go ahead
and convert that to liters and Euros! <g>
Ed Hendricks
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On the Central Coast of California regular unleaded is about $2.25 per
gallon.
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stations are only a few blocks from each other but Costco is not open after
9 PM, even though thier pumps are fully automated so I sometimes have to
bite the bullet and pay extra.
Best Regards, O.E.Pepper
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Ian
You guys just don't know how good you have got it re petroleum.
We pay at least 80p ($1.44) per *litre* here. No joke!
It costs dearly to have a big gas guzzling car.
Ian
Ed. Stoebenau
(TomDeLorey) wrote:
>Just curious....what are you paying at the pump these days? My corner station
>here in the South Chicago 'burbs is $1.87, and the bigger place up the street
>$1.85. With Crude still way up (though not as bad as it was) I would expect gas
>to be around $2.50 per gallon.
>Run on open.
>Thanks
Dunno what it is here. The
sign/overhead/whatchamacallitthatadvertisesgasprices on the gas
station by my place fell over a couple of weeks ago, so I've not
been keeping track of gas prices for a while. (Which granted,
isn't too much of a concern when you're spending $0.00/month on
gas.)
--
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a #143
Christian Feldhaus
> We pay at least 80p ($1.44) per *litre* here.
That would be €1.19 which is a little more than what I pay here (NW,
DE). On Sunday it was 1.16 for the 95 octane gas, but that was a little
further up north. Think I saw 1.14 here yesterday.
Sure that is a lot, especially when compared to prices in North America
or Eastern Europe. Prices here are heavily tax regulated: Roughly two
thirds of what we pay for gas is taxes. On the other hand, we can deduct
30 ct/km when driving from/to work or use the private car for job
related travel. Also, for many commutes and even "leisure" trips you can
use public transport ...
Christian
Ian
On the other hand, we can deduct
> 30 ct/km when driving from/to work or use the private car for job
> related travel. Also, for many commutes and even "leisure" trips you can
> use public transport ...
>
> Christian
You are lucky that way too. If you are in employment in the UK, any
transport related expenses to and from work are disallowed for tax
purposes (whether by bus, train, or car).
Ian
Jim Higgins
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In the Holland, MI area it goes for $1.849 to $1.889.
Jerry Dennis
stations in my little town in central NY are $1.969 per gallon of regular.
And in spite of the complaining we do on this side of the pond, I do wonder how
the Euro side of the world handles the costs? Dik Winter's €1.26 / liter
works out to about $5.98 / gallon US!
1 gal = 3.785 liters
1€ = $1.253 US (as of 8/31/04)
Jerry
"Tom DeLorey" ponders:
A.Gent
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station
> here in the South Chicago 'burbs is $1.87, and the bigger place up the
street
> $1.85. With Crude still way up (though not as bad as it was) I would expect
gas
> to be around $2.50 per gallon.
> Run on open.
> Thanks
>
> TomDeLorey
Not sure what "gasoline" is, but unleaded petrol is averaging out at about
AUD$1.09 / litre in the northern suburbs of Sydney.
That's US$0.76 per litre, or US$2.88 per US gallon.
--
Jeff R.
Mike Woodard
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Edward McGrath
NJ, $1.80 <snip> I guess you haven't been across the river into NJ for
at least 2 months because it's been from $1.88/gal to $1.99/gal for
regular unlead a long time. NY $1.90/gal, that's cheaper than Joisey
prices. Ed
Alan Williams
$1.85/gallon yesterday for 87 octane at the Sheetz convenience stores in
Cumberland, MD.
Alan
'we need to cut the fossil fuel dependency'
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>
> You guys just don't know how good you have got it re petroleum.
>
> We pay at least 80p ($1.44) per *litre* here. No joke!
>
> It costs dearly to have a big gas guzzling car.
>
> Ian
Yes but, what does that matter when you consider that Scotland is about the
size of an average Aussie sheep station.
How far do you drive you car annually, Ian?
(Or, if your use is not typical, how far would the average Scot [is there such
a beast?] drive annually?)
I'd do about 12,000 km per year, and I'm way below average. Most folk I know
would do at least 20,000 km per year.
--
Jeff R.
Dik T. Winter
Are those US dollars and US gallons? (Off-hand I would say Euro 0.40 per
liter.)
JHLMSS
Toledo Ohio $1.60
dont you love taxes.
speedway stations in our area offer a 4% and sometimes 8% discount if you buy a
pre-paid gas card. (discount and a neat collectable too!! what a deal!!)
joe leblanc ana member 25+ yrs
Grandpa
> $1.85/gallon yesterday for 87 octane at the Sheetz convenience stores in
> Cumberland, MD.
Albuquerque, NM
$1.80/gal at Sam's Club and $1.81-$1.89 elsewhere in the city. Santa Fe
is about 10¢ more than we are. This is for 86 octane as we get the
really low grade stuff at all stations. Haven't seen 87 octane in years!
Grandpa
Bruce Remick
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> I pay $1.97 for regular unleaded here in NJ.
I have found the NJ Turnpike to have the cheapest gasoline whenever I drive
from DC to RI. Does the state subsidize the gas along its toll Turnpikes?
Delaware used to be the place to buy and Connecticut the place to avoid.
Now the prices seem to have somewhat equalized over my 450 mile trip.
Bruce
Ian
Unlike the typical Australian sheepfarm, Scotland has a pretty good road
network (and some pretty beautiful scenery in all directions). I easily
do 12,000 miles a year, and my work doesn't involve all that much
travelling.
In one of my petrol cars I am doing really well to get 20 m.p.g. In my
other petrol car I am lucky to get 25 m.p.g. So that means that my
petrol bills are anything between £1,900 and £2,400 (that's $3,420 US -
$4,320 US). i think that is quite expensive for fuel alone, don't you?
Especially when we've got the stuff offshore and have been exporting it
for years! No other `exporter' has prices as high. In fact most
countries without any oil reserves don't even have fuel prices as high
as ours.
Bloody Labour Guvvemint! Bloody Tony Blair!
Ian
SCHMIDTL14
Best Wishes
Dan
Christian Feldhaus
> And in spite of the complaining we do on this side of the pond, I do
> wonder how the Euro side of the world handles the costs? Dik Winter's
> €1.26 / liter works out to about $5.98 / gallon US!
Well, it is not quite as much where I live (NW, DE), but €1.14 is
currently common. The net price - without any taxes - does not differ
very much here; would be about 35 cent per liter. But, as I wrote
before, in most European countries gas is heavily taxed.
Elsewhere in the EU, like in Luxembourg or Poland, it is a bit less
expensive, so (little) detours can pay off <g>. But at least over here
we get back part of what we pay - 30 cent per kilometer for job related
trips (see my reply to Ian).
Also, what may sound terribly expensive to you is relative. Last year I
read a report which said that, fifty years ago, the "average" employee
had to work 13 minutes for one liter gas - now it's 4 or 5 minutes. And
of course modern cars need considerably less gas than "back then".
More statistics ... With a population of roughly 300 million, the US
uses about 400 million tons of gas per year. Germany - population 82
million - uses 26 million tons. Even if it's a little more or less now,
you get a good idea of the difference.
Over here, well, while I have a car, I also use public transport
(metro/tram, trains) a lot or, depending on the distance, ride a bike.
And when I go to the supermarket or post office, I just walk :-)
Christian
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Ian--
Yes, indeed, your fuel prices are quite high.
I recall being struck by the high fuel costs on my first trip to Great
Britain many years ago (and the first place I went to was Scotland).
I have been back there many times since.
Although my British friends sometimes gripe about it, most realize, and
readily admit, that the high cost of fuel there is a way to enforce a
sort of 'de facto' fuel conservation, as well as to help pay the bills
of the greater needs of society at large.
There can be no doubt that the high cost of fuel is also responsible for
the U.K.'s widespread use of small gas-saving cars.
Being a great believer in fuel conservation myself, I drive a 2000
Toyota Corolla and get excellent city mileage. (I only drive in the
city)
BTW, I've put very few miles on this car since I purchased it (new) in
2000.
-- I've yet to hit 10,000 miles.
As regards to price....
I only fill my tank about once every 5 or 6 weeks, and the last time I
filled it (about 2 weeks ago), I spent $18.50.
It's a 10-gallon tank, so gas in my area, two weeks ago, was about
$1.85.
...but back to high fuel costs in the U.K....
It's a shame that Tony Blair spent so much of the nation's fuel revenue
on the Bush-Cheney Junta's "War-to-Enrich-Halliburton".
The funds certainly could have been put to better use at home in the
U.K.
But that's crying over spilt milk (or blood), I guess....
(....heck, I meant to stay away from politics.....)
Stefano MacGregor
> Just curious: what are you paying at the pump these days?
At the AM/PM quickie-marts around Phoenix, AZ, $1.879 per gallon, for
the lowest grade. The medium grade is $1.979, and high-grade is
$2.079, but I don't need those.
--
Stefano
"That's a lot of coins!"
phil
to as much as $2.60 per gallon,thats for regular unleaded.
Because of the geography of Long Island,it gets a little cheaper as you get
closer to New York City.Where I am,it starts getting cheaper about 10 miles
away (U.S. miles)
I'm closer to Montauk than to NYC-about 60 miles from N.Y.,about 40 miles
from Montauk Point,the eastern most part of Long Island.(All distances are
'as the crow flies')
convert that.
phil
('U.S. plainspeak')
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esper...@yahoo.com (Stefano MacGregor) wrote:
> tomde...@aol.comknowspam (TomDeLorey) wrote in message
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>
> > Just curious: what are you paying at the pump these days?
>
> At the AM/PM quickie-marts around Phoenix, AZ, $1.879 per gallon, for
> the lowest grade. The medium grade is $1.979, and high-grade is
> $2.079, but I don't need those.
The Arco station around the corner from my house here in Portland OR
charge $1.899, 1.999, and $2.099 for the three grades.
Happily, my 1995 Volvo 960 loves the low grade stuff.
Chris Parker
$2.039/gallon. That are few places selling that low, and there are
still places selling as high as $2.25/gallon or more. In general, the
price seems to be about $2.159/gallon +/- at most stations.
Sure would love to pay less than $2/gallon again, but I'm told not to
expect that to ever happen again. So for now, I'll have keep
reminding the gasoline stations how much the gas costs with a $2 bill
for each gallon pumped...
CP
Colin Goode
is everything else, we have become that used to being screwed financially it
is the accepted norm. It gets more like a dictatorship every day!!!
Oh well I suppose if it was that bad I would choose another country!!
Moan moan moan..........
Sorry, wandering off topic again.
Colin
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Jorg Lueke
Realistically how many horespower do you need before you need Super.
250,300,350?
Dik T. Winter
> And in spite of the complaining we do on this side of the pond, I do wonder
> how the Euro side of the world handles the costs? Dik Winter's €1.26 /
> liter works out to about $5.98 / gallon US!
O, that's simple. We pay. And if we can't pay we take the bike or
public transport or whatever.
Dik T. Winter
> How far do you drive you car annually, Ian?
> (Or, if your use is not typical, how far would the average Scot [is there
> such a beast?] drive annually?)
>
> I'd do about 12,000 km per year, and I'm way below average. Most folk I know
> would do at least 20,000 km per year.
Not being Ian, nor being a Scot, I nevertheless will give an answer for the
Dutch. I do less than 10,000 km per year. But I know quite a few that do
40,000 to 60,000 km per year. And that in a country that is probably much
smaller than an extremely small Aussie sheep farm.
Dik T. Winter
> Elsewhere in the EU, like in Luxembourg or Poland, it is a bit less
> expensive, so (little) detours can pay off <g>.
Indeed, there quite a few people in Dutch Limburg that take the detour
to Luxembourg to fill their tank... But it not advised to do that when
you drive a Hummer.
> Also, what may sound terribly expensive to you is relative. Last year I
> read a report which said that, fifty years ago, the "average" employee
> had to work 13 minutes for one liter gas - now it's 4 or 5 minutes. And
> of course modern cars need considerably less gas than "back then".
What I read is that it came to about the same amount of time for a
specific number of kilometers. My current car (a Volvo) is a bit
expensive (my previous one, a 18 year old Mercedes was still more
expensive), and does 12 km per liter (or about 28 mpg). But there
are cars enough that do 20 to 30 km per liter.
...
> Over here, well, while I have a car, I also use public transport
> (metro/tram, trains) a lot or, depending on the distance, ride a bike.
> And when I go to the supermarket or post office, I just walk :-)
The train I mostly use for long distance (I do not like long drives).
And indeed, metro, tram, bus, bike and walking. The nearest shopping-
center is about 5 minutes walking from my home, the nearest busstop
for a 15 minute trip by bus to the city center is 2 minutes from my
home.
JSTONE9352
a gallon in 1972. Those days
are gone forever of course.
When it hit 40 cents in 1973 I thought that was outrageous.
80 cents in 1979. I thought I was
going to faint.
Americans are very sensitive about
gas prices (as you can see).
Alan Williams
I'm a bit more sensitive to home heating oil prices, personally. ;-)
I've precious few options about heat source, given my rural setting, and
though I have an efficient woodburner assist, Good Old #2 is still my
primary fuel. My driving habits can be changed, my choice of vehicle
can be changed, but when it comes to the number of 'Home Heating Days'
I'm pretty much at the mercy of Old Man Winter and King Faud.
Alan
'there's a pair'
Numismatist
Seems that we in the States had an answer to the high taxation rates back in
1776. Anyone for some tea? <g>
JSTONE9352
>I've precious few options about heat source, given my rural setting, and
>though I have an efficient woodburner assist, Good Old #2 is still my
>primary fuel.
I hear that oil heating prices will be
around 20% higher this winter
than last year.
Dik T. Winter
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:53:12 -0700, Scot Kamins
> <kam...@spamtrapdogeared.com> wrote:
> > Happily, my 1995 Volvo 960 loves the low grade stuff.
>
> Realistically how many horespower do you need before you need Super.
> 250,300,350?
It has nothing directly to do with horsepower. It has to do with design
of the motor, compression and quite a few other factors. Almost all
cars normally sold in Europe are able to use regular (Euro 85), which is
in quite a few places (North Scotland for instance) about the only grade
you can find. My current car (2004 Volvo V70) is willing to use Euro 85
while my previous car (1984 Mercedes 230 TE) wanted Euro 89 with lead
replacement (I have been driving with it in North Scotland about two
weeks last year, and it could use Euro 85, but the engine was seriously
damaged by it). The horsepower of the two is not much different.
Alan Williams
So do I. AFAIK, installment payments and consumer credit were invented
in the United States. When it comes to my home heating bills, I am
grateful for those innovations.
Last year came in at a little less than $700 for the year, but my first
200 gallons were at 85ข. ;-/ The provider hiked my monthly payments in
June in anticipation of higher costs for this coming season.
Alan
'owns a maul, and knows how to use it'
JSTONE9352
><< Oh well I suppose if it was that bad I would choose another country! >>
>
>Seems that we in the States had an answer to the high taxation rates back in
>1776. Anyone for some tea? <g>
>
>
Maybe a storming of the houses
of parliament to get things started
and then march on Buckingham
Palace and No. 10 Downing St.
Ian
I'd rather throw the politicians overboard and keep the tea.
Make mine an Earl Grey please. ;-)
Ian
Bruce Remick
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I recall paying 15 cents/gallon in the early 1960's in south Florida when
the Qwick-Shop places were beginning to install gas pumps and there was a
gasoline price war. And this was at the end of a drive from Anchorage,
Alaska where I had been paying about 60 cents a gallon. Putting things in
1960's perspective though, the wife and I never had to pay more than $10 for
a AAA-rated motel during our 9600-mile trip.
Bruce
Bruce Remick
Don't anybody touch those PUBS!!!!
Bruce
'rather have half a bitter than half a dollar'
Christian Feldhaus
> Almost all cars normally sold in Europe are able to use regular (Euro 85),
> which is in quite a few places (North Scotland for instance) about the
> only grade you can find.
Are those "European" octane grades? What you get in DE is almost always
a choice of 91, 95 or 98 octane (91 here is about 87 in the US, I
think). The 98 variety seems to get "upgraded" to 99 or 100 by some gas
companies, and at the "lower" end, the 91 octane gas may be phased out
in the EU some time. But 85? Hmm.
Christian
Dik T. Winter
> Dik T. Winter <Dik.W...@cwi.nl> wrote:
>
> > Almost all cars normally sold in Europe are able to use regular (Euro 85),
> > which is in quite a few places (North Scotland for instance) about the
> > only grade you can find.
>
> Are those "European" octane grades?
I was wrong here, the official name is Euro 95, but I think in the UK the
number 85 is used. There are two kinds of numbers, RON (Research Octane
Number) and MON (Motor Octane Number). The latter is about 10 lower than
the former. Cars build later than 1990 should be able to use RON-95.
With some of the more expensive cars, when you feed them RON-98 the
motor will detect it and the motor-management system will adjust so
that you get better performance. On old cars that require RON-98, using
RON-95 can seriously damage the motor. This is because due to compression
there will be early spontaneous combustion of the petrol.
Numismatist
Bruce
'rather have half a bitter than half a dollar' >>
Sorry, just had to say this.
"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
JHLMSS
running per gallon, if they would know.
i remember a debate few years ago when candidates were asked price of milk and
they all had no idea.
Mike Dworetsky
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> Christian Feldhaus wrote:
>
> On the other hand, we can deduct
> > 30 ct/km when driving from/to work or use the private car for job
> > related travel. Also, for many commutes and even "leisure" trips you can
> > use public transport ...
> >
> > Christian
>
> You are lucky that way too. If you are in employment in the UK, any
> transport related expenses to and from work are disallowed for tax
> purposes (whether by bus, train, or car).
>
> Ian
If you are an employee claiming that for commuting purposes, Ian, you have
an extremely rude and unpleasant surprise awaiting you from the tax man.
Travel to and from a regular place of work is not allowable for tax
purposes.
If you are self-employed things may be a bit different, and mileage claims
and travel claims can be made, but if this is the case for a longer-term
contract they could also give you some trouble.
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> A.Gent wrote:
>
> > "Ian" <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message
> > news:1UTYc.2131$Q96.24...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >
> >>You guys just don't know how good you have got it re petroleum.
> >>
> >>We pay at least 80p ($1.44) per *litre* here. No joke!
> >>
> >>It costs dearly to have a big gas guzzling car.
> >>
> >>Ian
> >
> >
> > Yes but, what does that matter when you consider that Scotland is about
the
> > size of an average Aussie sheep station.
> >
> > How far do you drive you car annually, Ian?
> > (Or, if your use is not typical, how far would the average Scot [is
there such
> > a beast?] drive annually?)
> >
> > I'd do about 12,000 km per year, and I'm way below average. Most folk I
know
> > would do at least 20,000 km per year.
> >
> > --
> > Jeff R.
> >
> >
>
> Unlike the typical Australian sheepfarm, Scotland has a pretty good road
> network (and some pretty beautiful scenery in all directions). I easily
> do 12,000 miles a year, and my work doesn't involve all that much
> travelling.
>
> In one of my petrol cars I am doing really well to get 20 m.p.g. In my
> other petrol car I am lucky to get 25 m.p.g. So that means that my
> petrol bills are anything between Ł1,900 and Ł2,400 (that's $3,420 US -
> $4,320 US). i think that is quite expensive for fuel alone, don't you?
> Especially when we've got the stuff offshore and have been exporting it
> for years! No other `exporter' has prices as high. In fact most
> countries without any oil reserves don't even have fuel prices as high
> as ours.
>
> Bloody Labour Guvvemint! Bloody Tony Blair!
>
Let's be fair here, Ian, most of the big rises in UK fuel tax in the 1980s
and 1990s were deliberately put in place by the Conservative governments of
Thatcher and Major. Their policy was to make fuel taxes rise a lot faster
than inflation. By comparison, Labour has tried to keep such taxes from
rising anywhere near as fast. The main cause for price increases since 1997
has been increased cost for crude oil.
Labour's big contribution to tax has been rises in social security tax
(National Insurance) and "fiscal drift" by not allowing tax bands to
increase with general rises in wage levels, thus bringing many very poor
people into the tax regime.
Colin Goode
march to London may be quicker!!!
Moaning again!!
Colin
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> >
Bob Johnson
Interesting that a gallon of milk is actually more than a gallon of
gasoline (sometimes twice as much)
$2 a gallon for a product that often comes halfway around the world,
get refined, distributed, then can propel a 3000 pound object at 60
miles an hour up to 20 minutes is a great deal.
$4 for some juice squeeze locally from a cow that just gives me gas
doesn't seem as much fun.
Ian
> "Ian" <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message
> news:FDZYc.64$Zt1.7...@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
>>Christian Feldhaus wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand, we can deduct
>>
>>>30 ct/km when driving from/to work or use the private car for job
>>>related travel. Also, for many commutes and even "leisure" trips you can
>>>use public transport ...
>>>
>>>Christian
>>
>>You are lucky that way too. If you are in employment in the UK, any
>>transport related expenses to and from work are disallowed for tax
>>purposes (whether by bus, train, or car).
>>
>>Ian
>
>
> If you are an employee claiming that for commuting purposes, Ian, you have
> an extremely rude and unpleasant surprise awaiting you from the tax man.
> Travel to and from a regular place of work is not allowable for tax
> purposes.
I think you must have misread what I said Mike....or I was not clear
enough :-) I basically said what you have just said (or at least i
thought i did). :-)
That is, I responded to Christian who said that (in Germany) he could
claim expenses against tax. if that is the case, then he is indeed
lucky. I then went on to say that in the UK (for employees) claims
against tax for transport related expenses to and from work are normally
*disallowed* (emphasis on `dis').
> If you are self-employed things may be a bit different, and mileage claims
> and travel claims can be made, but if this is the case for a longer-term
> contract they could also give you some trouble.
>
I'm aware of these factors from both perspectives. You can also offset
the purchase price of the car (depreciation over four years) if you are
smart. While not a tax `expert' I have been around the block a couple of
times as a sole trader and also as a limited company. I recently took on
a short term contract (`employed' mode) and my transport cost (train /
car) cost me about £2,500. If I had persuaded the client to pay on
invoice as opposed to paye, i'd have been able to offset the lot against
tax. THAT was a real bummer!
The UK tax system is inequitable when it comes to bona fide `expenses'.
Ian
Ian
>>petrol bills are anything between £1,900 and £2,400 (that's $3,420 US -
>>$4,320 US). i think that is quite expensive for fuel alone, don't you?
>>Especially when we've got the stuff offshore and have been exporting it
>>for years! No other `exporter' has prices as high. In fact most
>>countries without any oil reserves don't even have fuel prices as high
>>as ours.
>>
>>Bloody Labour Guvvemint! Bloody Tony Blair!
>>
>
>
> Let's be fair here, Ian, most of the big rises in UK fuel tax in the 1980s
> and 1990s were deliberately put in place by the Conservative governments of
> Thatcher and Major. Their policy was to make fuel taxes rise a lot faster
> than inflation. By comparison, Labour has tried to keep such taxes from
> rising anywhere near as fast. The main cause for price increases since 1997
> has been increased cost for crude oil.
>
> Labour's big contribution to tax has been rises in social security tax
> (National Insurance) and "fiscal drift" by not allowing tax bands to
> increase with general rises in wage levels, thus bringing many very poor
> people into the tax regime.
>
:-) Tax has to come from somewhere. I won't go into the `politics' of it
with you (ie Labour vs Conservative etc.) because at the end of the
day I fear my discomfort would be the same irrespective of who was in power.
On a more pragmatic level the prices are probably higher in the UK than
any other western country. That is because the UK govt. has chosen to
tax petrol rather than something else. It has some saving graces.....for
those who aren't motorists... ;-)
The £ / $ exchange has helped cushion the full effect of the price
rise per barrel (given that oil is traded in $'s and the £ / $ is a good
20c better than it was a year ago). It hasn't prevented a hike, but it
has had a neutralising effect, and could explain why the prices haven't
risen as much as they otherwise might have.
Ian
Coin Saver
>I can remember paying 25 cents a gallon in 1972 / 40 cents in 1973.
We used to mark inflation by watching the price of:
a gallon of gas;
a cup of coffee at a sit down coffee shop;
a pack of cigarettes;
and a beer.
All of which*used* to cost the same.
8-|
- Coin Saver
Christian Feldhaus
> That is, I responded to Christian who said that (in Germany) he could
> claim expenses against tax. if that is the case, then he is indeed
> lucky.
I think you were clear enough but, oh well, misunderstandings occur :-)
And I just tried to give an example why simply comparing gas/petrol
prices does not help much if one wants to compare "car related
expenses". Another example: In some countries cars are considered
"luxury" products and taxed accordingly if you buy one; in some
countries you need some special car insurance that in not required in
others, etc.
Some percentage ("How much of my monthly/yearly income is spent on the
car?") would be a more appropriate indicator. But even then there are
issues like "Is public transport a viable alternative in your area?"
which make comparisons difficult ;-)
Christian
The Silver Jar...
> > (metro/tram, trains) a lot or, depending on the distance, ride a bike.
> > And when I go to the supermarket or post office, I just walk :-)
>
> The train I mostly use for long distance (I do not like long drives).
> And indeed, metro, tram, bus, bike and walking. The nearest shopping-
> center is about 5 minutes walking from my home, the nearest busstop
> for a 15 minute trip by bus to the city center is 2 minutes from my
> home.
Well living a bit further South than Ian the petrol prices differ
little must be about $6 a gallon give or take, in Yorkshire where i am
some places charge upto $8 per gallon. (Some places further south
towards London are known to charge anything upto $10 a gallon).
Seems cheaper to have diesel?
Anyhow i catch the train instead, or bus/tram...
Christian should know that all too well ;-)
Sylvester.
Dik T. Winter
> 'rather have half a bitter than half a dollar' >>
A US half? No, please, give me a UK pint. (And there goes the saying a
pint is a pound the world around, because that UK pint will be about two
pounds.)
Dik T. Winter
> "Ian" <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message
> news:FDZYc.64$Zt1.7...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > On the other hand, we can deduct
> > > 30 ct/km when driving from/to work or use the private car for job
> > > related travel. Also, for many commutes and even "leisure" trips you can
> > > use public transport ...
> > >
> > transport related expenses to and from work are disallowed for tax
> > purposes (whether by bus, train, or car).
>
> an extremely rude and unpleasant surprise awaiting you from the tax man.
> Travel to and from a regular place of work is not allowable for tax
> purposes.
That is indeed country dependent, and it may also depend on mode of transport.
What is the government willing to do, and what is it willing to promote? In
the UK apparently it promotes living close to your working place. In the
Netherlands you could get tax deduction only for travel by public transport.
You can guess what they wanted to promote. Currently you get a deduction
solely dictated by the distance, not by the mode of transport. And it is
quite a bit lower than 30 ct/km. (It is the equivalent of the costs for
travel by public transport for shorter distances, getting relatively
smaller for larger distances. So you lose if you go by car and win if
you go by bicycle.)
Bruce Remick
"Bob Johnson" <gold...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I've always tried to look at it that way, too. Especially when gasoline was
selling for under a dollar a gallon-- less than the price of a gallon of
trendy water.
Bruce
'how much in a gallon of pennies?'
Dik T. Winter
...
> On a more pragmatic level the prices are probably higher in the UK than
> any other western country.
Since when is the Netherlands not a western country? When I was there in
2003 I found that prices were very similar to those in the Netherlands.
Even the price increase during that month was similar (about 5%). (And,
yes, I have all figures since june 2000 when I started noting what I did
pay, how much fuel I got and how many kilometes I had driven.)
Dik T. Winter
> Seems cheaper to have diesel?
Certainly in the Netherlands, when you drive a lot. Diesel is much cheaper,
and cars use much less. On the other hand, road tax is more than doubled
when you use diesel. The turning point seems to be around 40,000 km/year.
Something similar holds for LPG.
Strange enough, the cheapest here is an old American car with LPG tank
build in. The awful amount of fuel they need is more than fully
compensated by the fact that you need not pay any road tax if your car
is over 25 years old. One of the reasons there are quite a few
old-timers running around. Just today I saw a (beautifully restored)
Citroën traction-avant.
gogu
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> Jerry Dennis <jden...@aol.comshaw> wrote:
>
> > And in spite of the complaining we do on this side of the pond, I do
> > wonder how the Euro side of the world handles the costs? Dik Winter's
> > ¤1.26 / liter works out to about $5.98 / gallon US!
> Well, it is not quite as much where I live (NW, DE), but ¤1.14 is
> currently common.
Wow!
Here in Greece you can find the unleaded from 75 to 82 euro-cents!!!
The super-unleaded is around .90-.92 ¤.
The special 100 octane gasoline from Shell or BP is around 1.10 ¤!
I begin to feel lucky ;-)
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> The net price - without any taxes - does not differ
> very much here; would be about 35 cent per liter. But, as I wrote
> before, in most European countries gas is heavily taxed.
>
> Elsewhere in the EU, like in Luxembourg or Poland, it is a bit less
> expensive, so (little) detours can pay off <g>. But at least over here
> we get back part of what we pay - 30 cent per kilometer for job related
> trips (see my reply to Ian).
>
> Also, what may sound terribly expensive to you is relative. Last year I
> read a report which said that, fifty years ago, the "average" employee
> had to work 13 minutes for one liter gas - now it's 4 or 5 minutes. And
> of course modern cars need considerably less gas than "back then".
>
> More statistics ... With a population of roughly 300 million, the US
> uses about 400 million tons of gas per year. Germany - population 82
> million - uses 26 million tons. Even if it's a little more or less now,
> you get a good idea of the difference.
>
> Over here, well, while I have a car, I also use public transport
> (metro/tram, trains) a lot or, depending on the distance, ride a bike.
> And when I go to the supermarket or post office, I just walk :-)
>
> Christian
gogu
news:I3C6B...@cwi.nl...
> In article <opsdmeka...@news.cis.dfn.de> Jorg Lueke
<jluek...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:53:12 -0700, Scot Kamins
> > <kam...@spamtrapdogeared.com> wrote:
> ...
> > > Happily, my 1995 Volvo 960 loves the low grade stuff.
> >
> > Realistically how many horespower do you need before you need Super.
> > 250,300,350?
> It has nothing directly to do with horsepower. It has to do with design
> of the motor, compression and quite a few other factors. Almost all
> cars normally sold in Europe are able to use regular (Euro 85), which is
> in quite a few places (North Scotland for instance) about the only grade
> you can find. My current car (2004 Volvo V70) is willing to use Euro 85
> while my previous car (1984 Mercedes 230 TE) wanted Euro 89 with lead
> replacement (I have been driving with it in North Scotland about two
> weeks last year, and it could use Euro 85, but the engine was seriously
> damaged by it). The horsepower of the two is not much different.
???
Are you sure about those numbers Dik ?
Here the lowest grade is 95 if I am not mistaken!
You are right about the horsepower.
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> --
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"Dik T. Winter" <Dik.W...@cwi.nl> wrote in message
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> In article <20040901103417...@mb-m24.aol.com>
numis...@aol.com (Numismatist) writes:
> > 'rather have half a bitter than half a dollar' >>
>
> A US half? No, please, give me a UK pint. (And there goes the saying a
> pint is a pound the world around, because that UK pint will be about two
> pounds.)
I only mentioned "half a bitter" because that's what I was told to say when
I wanted to order a half pint of bitter in an English pub. I'm sure they
thought I was a local. I still had US/UK language problems with the (person
behind the bar) talking about bar mats, towels, coasters, chips, and the
like.
Bruce
'you say potato, I say potatoe, he says potater'
Dik T. Winter
> "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.W...@cwi.nl> wrote in message
> news:I3E2J...@cwi.nl...
> > In article <20040901103417...@mb-m24.aol.com>
> numis...@aol.com (Numismatist) writes:
> > > 'rather have half a bitter than half a dollar' >>
> >
> > A US half? No, please, give me a UK pint. (And there goes the saying a
> > pint is a pound the world around, because that UK pint will be about two
> > pounds.)
>
> I only mentioned "half a bitter" because that's what I was told to say when
> I wanted to order a half pint of bitter in an English pub. I'm sure they
> thought I was a local.
Nope. A local would have ordered a pint of bitter (*). Not a half one. In
my (over 35 years) experience of visiting UK pubs with my wife, ordering two
pints of bitters is no problem; ordering two halves will give you some
strange looking, but they will come; ordering one pint and a halve will
lead to quite a bit of discussion...
> I still had US/UK language problems with the (person
> behind the bar) talking about bar mats, towels, coasters, chips, and the
> like.
But that is obvious. Especially when you use the last in a pub they will
immediately refer you to McDonald's if there is one nearby. Unless they
have bar meals of course.
--
(*) Alas, the locals appear no longer to appreciate the bitter as they
used to do. Although that abomination of 'lager with lime' has apparently
gone out of the picture, they now appear to be focussed on the non-British
lagers, and sometimes even in half-litre bottles.
PCameron
> >
> > I only mentioned "half a bitter" because that's what I was told to say
when
> > I wanted to order a half pint of bitter in an English pub. I'm sure
they
> > thought I was a local.
>
What is a bitter? Is that a Pale Ale? Or some sort of a red beer?
I used to brew my own beer so this has me curious.
Donald F. Boudreau
I've gotten $22.00 in US cents out of a 1.5 liter wine jug. Now it's a little over half full with
dimes. Hmm - $200.00 in the future.
Don
If you ask enough people for advice, you're bound to find someone
to advise you to do what you wanted to do anyway.
Ian
> In article <ZZoZc.1094$Cf.11...@news-text.cableinet.net> Ian <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> writes:
> ...
> > On a more pragmatic level the prices are probably higher in the UK than
> > any other western country.
>
> Since when is the Netherlands not a western country? When I was there in
> 2003 I found that prices were very similar to those in the Netherlands.
> Even the price increase during that month was similar (about 5%). (And,
> yes, I have all figures since june 2000 when I started noting what I did
> pay, how much fuel I got and how many kilometes I had driven.)
I said `probably' because I was unsure of my facts.
However, chances are that petrol is twice the UK price in Iceland.
Everything else is, so why not petrol too. :-)
Ian
Dik T. Winter
> What is a bitter? Is that a Pale Ale? Or some sort of a red beer?
>
> I used to brew my own beer so this has me curious.
<http://www.fact-index.com/b/bi/bitter_beer.html>,
<http://www.1-800-beer.com/british_bitter.html>.
Bruce Remick
"Donald F. Boudreau" <dfbou...@notadelphia.notnet> wrote in message
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Hmmm, Don. What brand of wine do you buy (just between you and me, okay?)
and how much do they charge for a 1.5 litre jug. Is it from the Sinnock
Vinyards perchance? Are you claiming that after you harvested $22.00 in
cents from the jug, that it has since become half full of dimes??!!!
Loaves, fishes, water, wine, candles that never stay extinguished come to
mind. Although the thought of wine sold by the "jug" doesn't tease my
palate, yours just may be the path to success and prosperity.
Bruce
'may just have to switch from beer'
Christian Feldhaus
> Here in Greece you can find the unleaded from 75 to 82 euro-cents!!!
> The super-unleaded is around .90-.92 €.
> The special 100 octane gasoline from Shell or BP is around 1.10 €!
> I begin to feel lucky ;-)
Sounds excellent. Now if only Greece was closer to Germany and had a
land border ;-) I do actually go to Luxembourg (where prices are only a
little higher than in Greece, and much lower than here) whenever I am so
close than "hopping over" pays off.
Of course there are countries in Europe where gas is even less
expensive, like 30 or 40 cents per liter. But then you have to take
different standards of living into account ...
Christian
Scottishmoney
litre, or about 35 Euro cents problem is, as you noted, people were
averaging incomes of about E175 a month.
Dave
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Petrol is cheaper in Iceland than in the UK and most other things
(apart from the alcohol) are between 10 - 30% more expensive in
Iceland than in the UK.
Ian
Well, hello Island!! :-) This must be a first for r.c.c.
The fact that the cost of petrol is cheaper in Iceland than the UK is
proof enough that `transport/ distribution costs' can't be used as an
excuse for the price in the UK anymore.
Why is alcohol so expensive in Iceland though? It's the same in Norway
if I recall correctly. Is this a case of governments taxing the thing
they know they will get the most revenues from?
By the way, i've been looking out for a boxed set of the Muldenhutten
produced 1930's 2,5,and 10 kronur coins (at a decent price of course). I
mention this just in case you may know of one that is on the go (and to
try to maintain a focus on the raison d'etre of this newsgroup). I have
them singly, but a cased set is what i'm really after. Any assistance
appreciated.
Ian
Darren
> Sigvaldi Eggertsson wrote:
>> Ian <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message news:<VSzZc.1456$Eg5.15...@news-text.cableinet.net>...
>>
>>>Dik T. Winter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <ZZoZc.1094$Cf.11...@news-text.cableinet.net> Ian <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> writes:
>>>>...
>>>> > On a more pragmatic level the prices are probably higher in the UK than
>>>> > any other western country.
>>>>
>>>>Since when is the Netherlands not a western country? When I was there in
>>>>2003 I found that prices were very similar to those in the Netherlands.
>>>>Even the price increase during that month was similar (about 5%). (And,
>>>>yes, I have all figures since june 2000 when I started noting what I did
>>>>pay, how much fuel I got and how many kilometes I had driven.)
>>>
>>>I said `probably' because I was unsure of my facts.
>>>
>>>However, chances are that petrol is twice the UK price in Iceland.
>>>Everything else is, so why not petrol too. :-)
>>
>>
>> Petrol is cheaper in Iceland than in the UK and most other things
>> (apart from the alcohol) are between 10 - 30% more expensive in
>> Iceland than in the UK.
>
> Well, hello Island!! :-) This must be a first for r.c.c.
>
Come on Ian, you live on an island as well, and I've seen some of them
there Australians in here too... ;)
Thanks
Darren
gogu
> gogu <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Here in Greece you can find the unleaded from 75 to 82 euro-cents!!!
> > The super-unleaded is around .90-.92 ¤.
> > The special 100 octane gasoline from Shell or BP is around 1.10 ¤!
> > I begin to feel lucky ;-)
> Sounds excellent. Now if only Greece was closer to Germany and had a
> land border ;-)
LOL
But you can have a holiday here with your car, spending less than in another
destination ;-)
And if we consider the cheaper food, entertainment, etc, well, then it
sounds more appealing ;-)
> I do actually go to Luxembourg (where prices are only a
> little higher than in Greece, and much lower than here) whenever I am so
> close than "hopping over" pays off.
Yes, Luxembourg has lower prices than Germany.
I have a friend working there and when I am visiting him I can spot the
difference.
Especially when I am going in Germany (Frankfurt area) after that ;-)
> Of course there are countries in Europe where gas is even less
> expensive, like 30 or 40 cents per liter.
?!
Where is that ?
I am going very often to Bulgaria and Romania and the prices there are quite
like in Greece !
> But then you have to take
> different standards of living into account ...
Yes, this is true.
But if you think that petrol costs the same (or quite) everywhere on
earth...
Of course as you said in another posting, a great part of the final price of
gasoline is just ... taxes...
So probably in some countries the government in order to keep inflation low
and a "decent" standard of living could decide to apply smaller taxes on the
gasoline....
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> Christian
PCameron
> In article <10jd1ti...@corp.supernews.com> "PCameron"
<PCam...@Boise.com> writes:
> > What is a bitter? Is that a Pale Ale? Or some sort of a red beer?
> >
> > I used to brew my own beer so this has me curious.
>
> <http://www.fact-index.com/b/bi/bitter_beer.html>,
> <http://www.1-800-beer.com/british_bitter.html>.
Thanks. I was on the right track. It is based on Pale Ale. I think if I
should visit England I will very much enjoy drinking bitters. American beer
completely sucks for the most part when you compare it to European beers.
Scot Kamins
"PCameron" <PCam...@Boise.com> wrote:
> American beer
> completely sucks for the most part when you compare it to European beers.
I remember the firsttime I had a Heinekin's (sp?) in Amsterdam - NOTHING
like the stuff sent over here and labeled Heinekin's (which, in
comparison to what I go in Amsterdam, tastes like swill).
Bruce Remick
"PCameron" <PCam...@Boise.com> wrote in message
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When you say American Beer, you're probably talking 1960's-1970's lagers.
Today, with an array of over 100 feet of microbrew selections at my local
Total Beverage megastore, American beer can match almost anything produced
in the world (except maybe Gala Beer from Tchad with 500% of ones' daily
requirement of formaldehyde).
Bruce
Donald F. Boudreau
Don't buy nor drink wine. Haven't found it necessary to drink alcoholic beverages for the past 24
years. Did way too much drinking the previous 24 years. Just about killed me.
>and how much do they charge for a 1.5 litre jug. Is it from the Sinnock
Bought this jug (semi fancy) in the late '70s and drank the contents - naturally. Labels long gone
and the cost, ???. Was probably in a CH2OH induced fog and didn't care about the price. Just wanted
the bottle style with an eye on pouring the contents down my throat. Never really cared for wine
(not enough kick) but couldn't waste the alky.
>Vinyards perchance? Are you claiming that after you harvested $22.00 in
>cents from the jug, that it has since become half full of dimes??!!
Yes, may take some time to fill it up with dimes as being retired and spending a lot less money the
pocket change supply has been greatly reduced.
Several years ago I accumulated $200.00 in quarters in various containers, cashed them in and went
to Vegas and blew it all. Had fun though.
>Loaves, fishes, water, wine, candles that never stay extinguished come to
>mind. Although the thought of wine sold by the "jug" doesn't tease my
>palate, yours just may be the path to success and prosperity.
>
>Bruce
>'may just have to switch from beer'
>
Don
PCameron
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> When you say American Beer, you're probably talking 1960's-1970's lagers.
> Today, with an array of over 100 feet of microbrew selections at my local
> Total Beverage megastore, American beer can match almost anything produced
> in the world (except maybe Gala Beer from Tchad with 500% of ones' daily
> requirement of formaldehyde).
>
Oh there are quality microbrews, sure. In St. Paul they make Summit Pale
Ale (which isn't really a micro-brew) and I like it. But the majority of
Americans continue to pour watered down horse piss into their gut instead of
beers made in accordance with the Reinheitsgebot or even something
approaching it. Corn syrup instead of pure barley malt is a downright sin
to my snobbish taste in beer.
I would be completely in favor of passing the following clause as law in the
U.S. ;-)
http://brewery.org/library/ReinHeit.html
"Furthermore, we wish to emphasize that in future in all cities, markets and
in the country, the only ingredients used for the brewing of beer must be
Barley, Hops and Water. Whosoever knowingly disregards or transgresses upon
this ordinance, shall be punished by the Court authorities' confiscating
such barrels of beer, without fail.
Dik T. Winter
"Heineken" (Freddie would turn around in his grave). But there are good
beers in the US and there are bad beers in the US, but do not expect the
good beers in the Walmart or your nearest pub. As there are good beers in
Europe and there are bad beers in Europe. BTW, many Dutch people
consider Heineken a bad beer (but I like it, just having one next to me).
Once in the US I had a Bud Light. Ehrm, is that beer? Compare with a
true Budweiser from Czechia. Moreover, as far as I remember, most US
Heineken is brewed in the US.
But, what the heck, there is a newsgroup devoted to beer. Think alt.beer.
Bruce Remick
"PCameron" <PCam...@Boise.com> wrote in message
>
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:VkPZc.192921$sh.18900@fed1read06...
> >
> >
> > When you say American Beer, you're probably talking 1960's-1970's
lagers.
> > Today, with an array of over 100 feet of microbrew selections at my
local
> > Total Beverage megastore, American beer can match almost anything
produced
> > in the world (except maybe Gala Beer from Tchad with 500% of ones' daily
> > requirement of formaldehyde).
> >
>
> Oh there are quality microbrews, sure. In St. Paul they make Summit Pale
> Ale (which isn't really a micro-brew) and I like it. But the majority of
> Americans continue to pour watered down horse piss into their gut instead
of
> beers made in accordance with the Reinheitsgebot or even something
> approaching it. Corn syrup instead of pure barley malt is a downright sin
> to my snobbish taste in beer.
>
A lot of what Americans drink is what they see advertised. Well known
brands of light lager beers are the ones advertised most. Bottled or on
tap, they're cheaper than most microbrews and available everywhere. Tastes
great, less filling. Some get all the buzz they want from it. I think that
any Bud or Miller drinker who wants to sample some microbrews would be
overwhelmed at the choices. They would probably find most of them too
"heavy" and would look for something closest to their regular Bud Light.
I have found several great brews on tap in local brewpubs and have
tasted fine ones in many other cities. I've also enjoyed wonderful beers in
many other countries. Over time, the only ones I recall are the bad ones.
All the others blend together in my memory as one pleasant experience. My
main point was that the once-maligned "American Beer" doesn't apply the way
it probably did twenty or thirty years ago before the return of dedicated
small brewers here.
On a trip to London some years ago, I was surprised to find Budweiser on
tap at several pubs at a premium price. Maybe it was to appeal to American
tourists. I wouldn't be surprised.
Bruce
Sigvaldi Eggertsson
> Sigvaldi Eggertsson wrote:
> > Ian <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message news:<VSzZc.1456$Eg5.15...@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> >
> >>Dik T. Winter wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <ZZoZc.1094$Cf.11...@news-text.cableinet.net> Ian <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> writes:
> >>>...
> >>> > On a more pragmatic level the prices are probably higher in the UK than
> >>> > any other western country.
> >>>
> >>>Since when is the Netherlands not a western country? When I was there in
> >>>2003 I found that prices were very similar to those in the Netherlands.
> >>>Even the price increase during that month was similar (about 5%). (And,
> >>>yes, I have all figures since june 2000 when I started noting what I did
> >>>pay, how much fuel I got and how many kilometes I had driven.)
> >>
> >>I said `probably' because I was unsure of my facts.
> >>
> >>However, chances are that petrol is twice the UK price in Iceland.
> >>Everything else is, so why not petrol too. :-)
> >
> >
> > Petrol is cheaper in Iceland than in the UK and most other things
> > (apart from the alcohol) are between 10 - 30% more expensive in
> > Iceland than in the UK.
>
> Well, hello Island!! :-) This must be a first for r.c.c.
>
> The fact that the cost of petrol is cheaper in Iceland than the UK is
> proof enough that `transport/ distribution costs' can't be used as an
> excuse for the price in the UK anymore.
Transportation costs are a very small part of the cost of things,
usually it is taxation that is the biggest part of the price.
> Why is alcohol so expensive in Iceland though? It's the same in Norway
> if I recall correctly. Is this a case of governments taxing the thing
> they know they will get the most revenues from?
No, the governments here in the Nordic countries are trying to
decrease the alcohol consumption and are using taxation as a tool.
Scottishmoney
"Ian" <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message news:cGKZc.205
> By the way, i've been looking out for a boxed set of the Muldenhutten
> produced 1930's 2,5,and 10 kronur coins (at a decent price of course). I
> mention this just in case you may know of one that is on the go (and to
> try to maintain a focus on the raison d'etre of this newsgroup). I have
> them singly, but a cased set is what i'm really after. Any assistance
> appreciated.
>
> Ian
Gees Ian, could we go off topic in an off topic discussion, ie take a non
coin discussion and turn it back to probably the most beeeautiful set of
coins ever produced by a Skandinavian country:)???
I like that set too, I remember seeing it in cataloque when I was in HS and
wanting one.
Dave
Aram H. Haroutunian
<I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote:
>A.Gent wrote:
>
>> "Ian" <I...@somewhereovertherainbow.com> wrote in message
>> news:1UTYc.2131$Q96.24...@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>
>>>You guys just don't know how good you have got it re petroleum.
>>>
>>>We pay at least 80p ($1.44) per *litre* here. No joke!
>>>
>>>It costs dearly to have a big gas guzzling car.
>>>
>>>Ian
>>
>>
>> Yes but, what does that matter when you consider that Scotland is about the
>> size of an average Aussie sheep station.
>>
>> How far do you drive you car annually, Ian?
>> (Or, if your use is not typical, how far would the average Scot [is there such
>> a beast?] drive annually?)
>>
>> I'd do about 12,000 km per year, and I'm way below average. Most folk I know
>> would do at least 20,000 km per year.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff R.
>>
>>
>
>Unlike the typical Australian sheepfarm, Scotland has a pretty good road
>network (and some pretty beautiful scenery in all directions). I easily
>do 12,000 miles a year, and my work doesn't involve all that much
>travelling.
>
>In one of my petrol cars I am doing really well to get 20 m.p.g. In my
>other petrol car I am lucky to get 25 m.p.g. So that means that my
>petrol bills are anything between Ł1,900 and Ł2,400 (that's $3,420 US -
>$4,320 US). i think that is quite expensive for fuel alone, don't you?
>Especially when we've got the stuff offshore and have been exporting it
>for years! No other `exporter' has prices as high. In fact most
>countries without any oil reserves don't even have fuel prices as high
>as ours.
>
>Bloody Labour Guvvemint! Bloody Tony Blair!
>
>Ian
"Clean your windows?"
Eddie Izzard- Noted British Historian (Or is that "Hysterian?" I
think he's hysterically funny.)
Aram
Christian Feldhaus
> > Of course there are countries in Europe where gas is even less
> > expensive, like 30 or 40 cents per liter.
>
> ?!
> Where is that ?
> I am going very often to Bulgaria and Romania and the prices there are quite
> like in Greece !
Russia and a few other ex-USSR countries. Well, those "30 or 40" ct/l
may be a little more now. But in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, gas (and
especially diesel) is still inexpensive. Here is an interesting
comparison of gas prices worldwide (based on Dec-2002 data) in English:
http://www.zietlow.com/docs/Fuel-Prices-2003.pdf
(about 3 MB; the "Europe" chart is on page 46)
Of course those charts do not include the latest developments. But they
are a good indicator anyway - at least in terms of "what costs how much
where", regardless of different income levels ...
Christian