Open letter to Carl Fogel
Ozark Bicycle
It is apparent from reading RBT today that you have breached certain
confidences contained in my private reply to your sole private email to
me.
So, here's the deal: the next time I see a smarmy insult from you,
directed toward *anyone*, I will post a link to the underhanded, back
stabbing, gossipy email you sent to me. This will not only embarrass
you, but also "RA" (as Kubrick might put it ;-> ).
You decide.
Cheers,
Ozark
carl...@comcast.net
<bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
Dear Oz,
Can you provide your curious fans with a link to whatever you read on
RBT today that led to your mistaken conclusion?
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
fred....@yahoo.com
While I'm not privy to exactly what Carl did to piss you off, it's just
as bad that you chose to berate him publicly without first bringing up
with him directly, first.
Your post above is just as egregious as anything he may have done to
you. Sounds like you two need to share apologies and get over
yourselves.
Fred
carl...@comcast.net
Dear Fred,
I'm baffled, since I haven't mentioned the email that I sent Oz, which
was about a completely unrelated thread.
He thanked me for warning him about a potential problem, but now he
apparently thinks that I've mentioned the matter on the newsgroup,
which I haven't.
It's odd to receive blackmail threats in public, but Oz may just be so
confused that he doesn't know what he's doing. If he wants to publish
my email and his reply, I can't complain.
But I hope that he either explains what's going on enough for me to
figure out why he's upset, or else figures out that he's grossly
mistaken.
In any case, I hope that he considers the two other people involved,
just as I did.
If nothing else, we're entertaining everyone.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
Dane Buson
Meh. I was going to post something more long-winded. But I realized
that all I wasnted to say was that dragging dirty laundry out and
crossposting it to four groups is really being a wanker.
rb.soc and rb.rides? Come on, FFS, grow-up guys.
--
Dane Buson - sig...@unixbigots.org
"Eagles fly; but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines."
Paul Cassel
>
> Dear Oz,
>
> Can you provide your curious fans with a link to whatever you read on
> RBT today that led to your mistaken conclusion?
>
Trying to fathom the ravings of the anonymous ones is beyond the scope
of human endeavor.
Werehatrack
I'll plonk both of you for a while if I must, in order to keep from
knowing what this is about. It started private, and I'm pretty sure
it needs to stay that way.
Guys, take it back to email if there's anything to argue about.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
carl...@comcast.net
wrote:
>In rec.bicycles.misc carl...@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> If nothing else, we're entertaining everyone.
>
>Meh. I was going to post something more long-winded. But I realized
>that all I wasnted to say was that dragging dirty laundry out and
>crossposting it to four groups is really being a wanker.
>
>rb.soc and rb.rides? Come on, FFS, grow-up guys.
Dear Dane,
Normally, I aggravate only RBT, but Oz's bizarre blackmail was posted
as an open letter to several normally Fogel-free groups.
It seemed reasonable to hit the "all groups" option when I asked him
what he's talking about.
I just looked through my recent posts, wondering if I'd see something
that Oz might have misunderstood, but I'm still baffled.
Anyone curious about my vile machinations can find them here:
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
Last 24 hours:
Silliness to Diablo Scott about blind wine-tasting and Coca-Cola:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/5110b57b689c414c/45e22ed66828ee90#45e22ed66828ee90
Envious comment to Larry Coon, who had a bike shop full of test
subjects:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/5110b57b689c414c/f7c9a88577b08a98#f7c9a88577b08a98
Large post with spoke-squeezing data, whose 6 links appear equally
innocent (I wondered if I'd accidentally linked to an email):
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/2a8ae1368f3d1ae5/36adea892f88084b#36adea892f88084b
Pointing out a Freudian slip to Peter Cole in the spqke-squeezing
thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/2a8ae1368f3d1ae5/8371f85b4047401e#8371f85b4047401e
Two days ago:
Assuring Werehatrack that Datakoll isn't channeling me (or vice-versa)
about how to change a tire:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/870e22ef828b977/2d65dc69f5d4c1e6#2d65dc69f5d4c1e6
Tiresome exchange with Oz, asking what percentage of his posts in the
helmet threads he would say contain little beyond gratuitous ill-will:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/b6d951373d37c12/92f126f73a70716f#92f126f73a70716f
Ozark Bicycle
Dear Carl,
Don't be coy. You sent me an email wherein you made certain allegations
regarding an RBT regular. I replied in earnest, and soon found that you
had leaked some info to other RBT posters "offline" (via private email)
For the curious: Carl sent an email in which he said an RBT regular
might "just be replying to the voices in his head". he also included a
private email between himself (Carl Fogel) and another RBT regular
(we'll call him "RA" in a Kubrickesque slant), wherein "RA" said the
other RBT regualur in question was "seriously mentally ill".
The bottom line is that Carl fogel communicates behind the scenes in an
underhanded manner, violates privacy and engages in character
assassination.
Beware.
Cheers,
Ozark
Ozark Bicycle
No, Carl, not "on the newsgroup", but behind the scenes, via private
email, in what I now understand may be your SOP.
> It's odd to receive blackmail threats in public,
"Blackmail"? Hardly. Just a poblic warning shot across the bow of your
sleazy, backhanded methods. I prefer to operate out in the open, not in
the shadows.
> but Oz may just be so
> confused that he doesn't know what he's doing.
Trust me, I know exactly what I'm doing: exposing a behind-the-scenes
sleazebag.
> If he wants to publish
> my email and his reply, I can't complain.
>
I am not ashamed of my reply, Carl, it was made in earnest, thinking
your email was a genuine attempt to be helpful, not the behind the
scenes character assassination it really was. Are you issusing me an
invitation to post a link to the email?
> But I hope that he either explains what's going on enough for me to
> figure out why he's upset, or else figures out that he's grossly
> mistaken.
>
> In any case, I hope that he considers the two other people involved,
> just as I did.
>
The "other two people involved" are the only factors that have stayed
my hand to this point.
> If nothing else, we're entertaining everyone.
>
Are you "entertained", Carl?
carl...@comcast.net
<bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
Dear Oz,
You wrote:
"It is apparent from reading RBT today that you have breached certain
confidences contained in my private reply to your sole private email
to me."
(Then you issued a bizarre public blackmail threat.)
What did you read on RBT today--from anyone--that made it "apparent"
that I breached whatever "confidences" you imagine were contained in
your private reply?
Here's your private reply in full, barring a name. You thanked me for
taking the trouble to warn you about a problem that another bicycle
dealer had revealed to me. I didn't like doing it, but I'd have felt
bad if I'd said nothing and let you go through the same miserable
experience:
>Hi Carl,
>
>It was always obvious that X "marched to his own drummer", but I
>just naively assumed it was his way of having fun. Now, it is apparent
>something very different is afoot. How sad. Seriously disturbed people
>have miserable lives and more often than not, inflict that misery on
>those around them.
>
>Thanks for the head's up.
>
>Richard
What on earth did you feel you were confiding in me when you thanked
me for giving you a private warning about a wretched problem?
And where did you see your "confidences" being "breached" today on
RBT?
Incidentally, a public blackmail letter is amusing, but not terribly
effective.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
carl...@comcast.net
<bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
Dear Oz,
Despite our differences, I wrote to warn you about considerable
difficulties that another bicycle dealer had suffered, since you were
about to step into the same mess.
I'd tell you that the bridge is out if I saw you about to head out in
the dark.
Writing to you was no fun, since the problem was a person, not a
bridge, but I didn't want the two of you to get into trouble just
because I wanted to avoid the whole unpleasant situation.
You replied and thanked me for warning you. Here's your reply in full,
except for a name:
>Hi Carl,
>
>It was always obvious that X "marched to his own drummer", but I just
>naively assumed it was his way of having fun. Now, it is apparent
>something very different is afoot. How sad. Seriously disturbed people
>have miserable lives and more often than not, inflict that misery on
>those around them.
>
>Thanks for the head's up.
>
>Richard
Today, out of a clear blue sky, you wrote:
>> >It is apparent from reading RBT today that you have breached certain
>> >confidences contained in my private reply to your sole private email to
>> >me.
What "confidences" do you see in your thank-you note?
What on earth could you confide in me?
Where do you feel that it became "apparent" that they were "breached"
today on RBT?
What did I (or anyone else) post on RBT today that "breached" your
"confidences"?
Are you abandoning your original public blackmail threat in favor of
incoherence?
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
Ozark Bicycle
Dear Carl,
Since you continue to try to BS your way through this, here is a link
to the email you sent to me:
They say a liitle sunlight eliminates maggots, what do you think?
Cheers,
Oz
carl...@comcast.net
<bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
Dear Oz,
The link appears to be as incoherent as your posts.
It asks for the yahoo id and password to ozarkbicycleservice.com.
Here's the email that you're apparently incompetent to post, with
names removed:
Dear Oz,
Sorry to bother you off-line, but I hope that you'll understand after
you read what [bike dealer] wrote to me last month about X, who
mysteriously wrote me out of a clear blue sky about being ripped off
by [bike dealer].
If you're happy dealing with X, then ignore me as well-meaning
busybody and accept my apologies. If the following messages help you
avoid problems, then everyone's happy.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: [bike dealer]
To: carl...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: mystifying email from datakoll
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:37:35 +0000
> At 5:12 AM +0000 4/20/06, carl...@comcast.net wrote:
> >Dear [bike dealer],
> >
> >Shortly after I began infesting RBT again,
>
> Welcome back! We've missed you!
>
> >X sent me this mystifying email:
> >
> >>From: X@somewhere
> >>To: "carl...@comcast.net"
> >>Subject: Re: Water tires experiment/need contributions
> >>
> >> Cheers, > Carl Fogel
> >>
> >>[bike dealer] ripped me off!
> >>
> >>[pseudonym]
>
> We have a long history with X. I'm afraid he is seriously
> mentally ill. He has placed lots of small orders with us over the
> years, and he always complains that mysterious people have stolen
> parts of the contents from his mailbox or whatever. When we used to
> take phone orders he would bend our ears unendingly about this sort
> of thing, and he sends deliberately incomprehensible emails (he
> signs them "[pseudonym]" or some variation of that) I
> have taken to ignoring his emails, it's a no-win situation.
>
> All the best,
>
> [bike dealer]
>
> >My post was just a silly link to a farm equipment page selling
> >adaptors to fill tractor tires with water--absolutely nothing to do
> >with [bike dealer], as far as I can see.
> >
> >X may just be replying to the voices in his head, or perhaps
> >trying to make some unfathomable joke and signing himself as "[pseudonym]."
> >
> >I plan to ignore X, but I thought that you might want to know, in
> >case he has some unhappy mail-order dispute with [bike dealer]. I
> >hope that it makes no more sense to you than it does to me.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Carl Fogel
Ozark Bicycle
G.T.
>
You guys both suck. Fogel missed editing out the name of the customer
in one spot of his post, and Oz has just posted a bunch of info that
only dealers who might deal with said customer should need to know. Oz
being the more grievous of the two for starting this for what appears to
be no reason.
Greg
--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
carl...@comcast.net
wrote:
>Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>
>
>You guys both suck. Fogel missed editing out the name of the customer
>in one spot of his post, and Oz has just posted a bunch of info that
>only dealers who might deal with said customer should need to know. Oz
>being the more grievous of the two for starting this for what appears to
>be no reason.
>
>Greg
Dear Greg,
Yes, my careless and irritable editing removed only 3 real names and 2
of 3 pseudonyms in a long, tangled email that Oz had already stated he
was posting.
I wish that the customer had never emailed me, accusing the dealer of
ripping him off.
But I'd still email the dealer about the customer's complaint to me
(god knows why he emailed me). After all, the dealer has informed me
on previous occasions that he values his reputation and works hard at
upholding it--and he's the only one who comes out of this sorry mess
looking good.
And I'd still email Oz if I was in the miserable position of knowing
that he was about to make himself and the customer miserable because
he didn't know what he was getting into.
I didn't want to find myself asking why I let Oz and the customer get
into trouble when I could have given Oz a private warning. We may
disagree on a newsgroup, but that's no excuse for letting Oz walk
face-first into a glass door, particularly if the glass door is
another person who already has plenty of problems.
Like you, I'm still baffled why Oz started this thread for what
appears to be no reason after his original thank-you note, which could
hardly be improved on.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
G.T.
> On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:06:08 -0700, "G.T." <getn...@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>
>>You guys both suck. Fogel missed editing out the name of the customer
>>in one spot of his post, and Oz has just posted a bunch of info that
>>only dealers who might deal with said customer should need to know. Oz
>>being the more grievous of the two for starting this for what appears to
>>be no reason.
>>
>>Greg
>
>
> Dear Greg,
>
> Yes, my careless and irritable editing removed only 3 real names and 2
> of 3 pseudonyms in a long, tangled email that Oz had already stated he
> was posting.
>
It didn't really matter since Oz in his infinite lack of wisdom posted
the whole thing verbatim. And I still can't figure out why he started
this whole mess. The sooner he takes the email exchange off of his
website the better.
Tim McNamara
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> Since you continue to try to BS your way through this, here is a link
> to the email you sent to me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/edfxs
>
> They say a liitle sunlight eliminates maggots, what do you think?
I'm sorry to say it, Oz, but I can't make out what you're on about.
You're not making any more sense than many of datakoll's posts. If you
keep it up, you'll be in danger of needing sunscreen yourself.
Yes, Carl's excessive politeness can be annoying and smacks of the
passive-aggressive, but so what? It's no worse and indeed much less
irritating than the vitriolic manner that many others (sadly, including
myself) often resort to. It's pretty hard to complain that someone is
being polite (except on Usenet, of course).
carl...@comcast.net
wrote:
>carl...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 May 2006 21:06:08 -0700, "G.T." <getn...@dslextreme.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>
>>>You guys both suck. Fogel missed editing out the name of the customer
>>>in one spot of his post, and Oz has just posted a bunch of info that
>>>only dealers who might deal with said customer should need to know. Oz
>>>being the more grievous of the two for starting this for what appears to
>>>be no reason.
>>>
>>>Greg
>>
>>
>> Dear Greg,
>>
>> Yes, my careless and irritable editing removed only 3 real names and 2
>> of 3 pseudonyms in a long, tangled email that Oz had already stated he
>> was posting.
>>
>
>It didn't really matter since Oz in his infinite lack of wisdom posted
>the whole thing verbatim. And I still can't figure out why he started
>this whole mess. The sooner he takes the email exchange off of his
>website the better.
>
>Greg
Dear Greg,
I agree that removal would be nice, but I hope that you can see why
I'm the one person who can hardly suggest it.
Barring some rational explanation, I'm forced to assume that Oz was
simply so angry about something else that he made up some claim that I
"breached" the "confidences" that he never made to me--for heaven's
sake, I was the one who reluctantly confided in him with good
intentions and considerable misgivings.
Incredibly, he seems to think that no one will read the thank-you note
that he wrote to me.
Even if Oz somehow explains what provoked him, the fact remains that
he chose to make public blackmail threats to try to force people to
write to please him on the newsgroup. That tells us all we really need
to know about his intelligence and his character.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
Ozark Bicycle
I made reference, several times, to my original response to your email.
Would you like me to post the relevant links?
> Even if Oz somehow explains what provoked him, the fact remains that
> he chose to make public blackmail threats to try to force people to
> write to please him on the newsgroup.
Where, oh where, did I do that? Specifics, please!
>That tells us all we really need
> to know about his intelligence and his character.
>
You just love these sneaky little put-downs, don't you?
Fact: Carl Fogel is a behind-the-scenes gossip and character assassin.
John Forrest Tomlinson
You rock. You seem so reasonable and wise.
JT
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jtaylor
<carl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nit4721fogoctd1j8...@4ax.com...
> Dear Oz,
>
> You wrote:
>
> "It is apparent from reading RBT today that you have breached certain
> confidences contained in my private reply to your sole private email
> to me."
>
> (Then you issued a bizarre public blackmail threat.)
>
> What did you read on RBT today--from anyone--that made it "apparent"
> that I breached whatever "confidences" you imagine were contained in
> your private reply?
>
> Here's your private reply in full, barring a name.
Carl, don't worry.
Copyright law says that you have the full and complete control of
re-publication of anything you write. This includes letters and email.
While the recipient has ownership of the copy he or she receives,
intellectual property rights remain vested in you; and should you wish to
counter threats of blackmail (nomatter how deranged), if full disclosure
will reveal that you are blameless while a party who has in the recent past
relentlessly attacked your positions (and person) is not, your course is not
only clear, but honourable.
jtaylor
<carl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:giu472pe946seb6lu...@4ax.com...
>
> Are you abandoning your original public blackmail threat in favor of
> incoherence?
>
Hey Carl, the incoherence comes as a free extra, ok?
Tim McNamara
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycle...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> Fact: Carl Fogel is a behind-the-scenes gossip and character assassin.
Whereas you're openly hostile and a character assassin. How is that an
improvement?
Jeff Starr
<usenet...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>Ozark,
>
>You rock. You seem so reasonable and wise.
>
>JT
>
You know what is sad, when they first made reference of someone with
mental problems, I thought they meant you.
There are no winners in this mess. I do think that Carl owes Sheldon
an apology, for forwarding a private email, to a third party.
I'm reading this on RBT, where none of this nonsense belongs. I guess,
in reality, it doesn't belong anywhere.
Jeff
Capt...@sheldonbrown.com
> There are no winners in this mess. I do think that Carl owes Sheldon
> an apology, for forwarding a private email, to a third party.
Huh? Whazzat?
I don't have any beef with Carl that I know of. I always look forward
to his postings.
Sheldon "Puzzled" Brown
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John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
> [about me -- JFT] when they
> first made reference of
> someone with mental problems
> I thought they meant you.
For some reason I have this visceral feeling of plearure upon reading
your comment.
I know mental illness is no joke, but having some guy, or even better,
some chump *think* I have mental problems (problems that manifest
themselves in ways he can't understand or deal with) sort of pleases
me.
> I do think that Carl owes Sheldon
> an apology, for forwarding a
> private email, to a third party.
From my reading of the emails I think you're way off base there. But
what do I know? I don't think normally.
bryanska
data...@yahoo.com
two good friends at joshua tree in MSR 2006
and and ..
butbutbut is ozark actually carl fogrill? or is...
d...@topowest.com
And you sat on this information for TWO DAYS before telling us?!?!?
Fer crap's sake, Gene, we can't read your mind.
dkl
catzz66
> datak...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>that's the Iraqi me on the front page of the NYT may 22 see the chair?
>>two good friends at joshua tree in MSR 2006
>>and and ..
>>butbutbut is ozark actually carl fogrill? or is...
>
>
> And you sat on this information for TWO DAYS before telling us?!?!?
>
>
>
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
neil...@yahoo.com
Let alone your prose....
data...@yahoo.com
(on the bike) for a coffee and a few gossip mags.
ok. I'm back. I see you have a hard on.
I had a friend who insinuated, and insinuation continues to be his
problem.
In fact, given the right conditions, insinuation may start a war, kill
millions, destroy ecosystems...the planet.
Picture two graphic equalizers with levers for each personality
characteristic: If one box has its' levers up in high and the other
the levers down in low - violence can result from simple insinuation.
Insinuation comes from various foundations - not just general
ignorance or stupidity.
Say a person wants desires to do something - like fill a vacuum.
He approaches his target - gotta be something worthwhile. He sez,
"you are a creep." Not only does he prove to himself that he is
better than you, but that he is capable of judging you, AND incredibly
by doing this he shows you that you need accept him as your friend and
benefactor caws he pointed this superiority and your basic problem-
that is to say - that "you are a creep"
Thus, having established himself, the insinuator then wanders of to
publicize the activity and in general raise himself above the rabble
maybe getting elected dogcatcher or shadow discussion group leader.
Ya know, sitting out there in De Moine, typing into the Dell, someone
can believe himself the supreme ruler of cyberspace. Multiple email
addresses - the author can form his own posts pro con and advance a
fringe theory like Big Mac's are good for you.
People here, old women working for the mob, believe that the
insinuator is Jobst Brandt!! howabouthat.
My friend's insinuation - for apparent reasons, visits to D.C. always
involved paths crossed with RFK: A few moments of silence followed by
anger.
The first RFK path crossing, with my friend, came at the point where my
insinuating friend years later had the back of his head blown of by a
.38 revolver: RFK rolled up in a Lotus elite, de rigueur.
My friend had been out insinuating.
depressing. sorry I brought it up seemed like a good idea - iznot
d...@topowest.com
>please, stretch out on the couch, read this porno mag while I go out
>(on the bike) for a coffee and a few gossip mags.
Is everybody in? Is everybody in?
Is everybody in? The ceremony is about to begin.
Wake up!
You can't remember where it was had this dream stopped
>ok. I'm back. I see you have a hard on.
The bus gives you a hard-on with books in your lap
>I had a friend who insinuated, and insinuation continues to be his
>problem.
A vast radiant beach in a cool jeweled moon
Couples naked race down by it's quiet side
And we laugh like soft, mad children
Smug in the wooly cotton brains of infancy
The music and voices are all around us.
>In fact, given the right conditions, insinuation may start a war, kill
>millions, destroy ecosystems...the planet.
Lying on stained, wretched sheets with a bleeding virgin
We could plan a murder
Or start a religion.
>Picture two graphic equalizers with levers for each personality
>characteristic: If one box has its' levers up in high and the other
>the levers down in low - violence can result from simple insinuation.
He manouvered two girls into his hotel room
One a friend, the other, the young one, a newer stranger
Vaguely Mexican or Puerto Rican
Poor boys thighs and buttock scarred by a father's belt
Story of her boyfriend, of teenage stoned death games
>Insinuation comes from various foundations - not just general
>ignorance or stupidity.
But I tell you this, man, I tell you this
I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I wanna have
my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames
>Say a person wants desires to do something - like fill a vacuum.
I called you up to anoint the earth
I called you to announce sadness falling like burned skin
I called you to wish you well
To glory in self like a new monster
And now I call you to pray
>He approaches his target - gotta be something worthwhile. He sez,
>"you are a creep." Not only does he prove to himself that he is
>better than you, but that he is capable of judging you, AND incredibly
>by doing this he shows you that you need accept him as your friend and
>benefactor caws he pointed this superiority and your basic problem-
>that is to say - that "you are a creep"
Always a playground instructor, never a killer
I'm surprised you could get it up
He whips her lightly, sardonically, with belt
I pressed her thigh and death smiled
Handsome lad, dead in a car
Confusion
No connections
Come 'ere
I love you
Peace on earth
Will you die for me?
Eat me
This way
>Thus, having established himself, the insinuator then wanders of to
>publicize the activity and in general raise himself above the rabble
>maybe getting elected dogcatcher or shadow discussion group leader.
Haven't I been through enough? she asks
Now dressed and leaving
The Spanish girl begins to bleed
She says her period
It's Catholic heaven
>Ya know, sitting out there in De Moine, typing into the Dell, someone
>can believe himself the supreme ruler of cyberspace. Multiple email
>addresses - the author can form his own posts pro con and advance a
>fringe theory like Big Mac's are good for you.
>People here, old women working for the mob, believe that the
>insinuator is Jobst Brandt!! howabouthat.
Back in those days everything was simpler and more confused
One summer night, going to the pier
I ran into two young girls
The blonde one was called Freedom
The dark one, Enterprise
We talked and they told me this story
Now listen to this...
I'll tell you about Texas radio and the big beat
Soft driven, slow and mad
Like some new kind of music
>My friend's insinuation - for apparent reasons, visits to D.C. always
>involved paths crossed with RFK: A few moments of silence followed by
>anger.
Reaching your head with the cold, sudden fury of a divine messenger
Let me tell you about heartache and the loss of god
Wandering, wandering in hopless night
Out here in the perimeter there are no stars
Out here we is stoned
Immaculate.
>The first RFK path crossing, with my friend, came at the point where my
>insinuating friend years later had the back of his head blown of by a
>.38 revolver: RFK rolled up in a Lotus elite, de rigueur.
All hail the American night!
What was that?
I don't know
Sounds like guns...thunder.
>My friend had been out insinuating.
Hey, listen, man, I really got a problem
I was out on the desert for awhile
"Riders on the storm"
Yeah. In the middle of it
"Riders on the storm"
Right...
"Into this world we're born"
Hey, listen, man, I really got a problem
"Into this world we're thrown"
When I was out on the desert, ya know
"Like a dog without a bone
An actor out on loan"
I don't know how to tell you
"Riders on the storm"
>depressing. sorry I brought it up seemed like a good idea - iznot
but, ah, I killed somebody
"There's a killer on the road"
No...
"His brain is squirming like a toad"
It's no big deal, ya know
I don't think anybody will find out about it, but...
" take a long holiday"
just, ah...
"Let your children play"
this guy gave me a ride, and ah...
"If you give this man a ride"
started giving me a lot of trouble
"Sweet family will die"
and I just couldn't take it, ya know
"Killer on the road"
And I wasted him
Yeah
data...@yahoo.com
i was writing scientific research on syncrownicity
that was immenently successful - George is probabbly in on it
morrison is only 1 in 6 involved but his trip, like my friend Al the
day is young and RFK
were downward spiraled.
D'ohBoy
Holy crap!
Passersby were amazed at the unusual quantites of blood!
Gene, ummmmm....... WOW!
D'ohBoy, impressed
41
carl...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 22 May 2006 19:23:46 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >"seriously mentally ill".
Of all the creepy things. So now we're supposed to be promulgating a
secret black list of the mentally ill, keeping them from ordering
bicycle parts? What the hell? Suppose there actually were a mentally
ill person here on r.b.t (only one?????), god forbid actually ordering
bicycle parts. Well, that person has as much right to shop and to ride
as anyone else; and if they had a rough time with one shop owner, to
either find a more congenial one, or to get better themselves and try
again elsewhere, if that's the ticket.
Good grief, this is r.b.t: two-thirds of the traffic here already is
generated by people who are greviously mentally ill, and two-thirds of
that is the really, really ugly kind. So now people are so fussy? If
the mentally ill were kept from ordering bicycle parts, there'd be a
lot of shops represented here going bust in short order. And that's
just the customers, what about the shop owners? I understand there are
one or two here who actually voted Republican in recent years, who
think the war in Iraq was necessary or prudent, and that George W. Bush
is competent. Talk about delusional.
à
Edward Dolan
"41" <KingGe...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1148790578.0...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >"seriously mentally ill".
The Iraq War was the greatest thing ever to come down the pike of the
American way of life. Of course, we could be fighting the Islamic terrorists
here in the streets of America, but only delusional Democrats would want
that sort of thing. If the Iraq War turns out to be successful George W.
Bush will go down in history as one of our very greatest presidents.
President Truman also had very low ratings in the polls, but he was quite
right to drop the atom bomb on Japan and to engage us in the Korean War.
Liberal left wing kooks should be rounded up and executed. They are nothing
but cowards and traitors. I personally would be delighted to blow their
freaking brains out.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Jose Rizal
> The Iraq War was the greatest thing ever to come down the pike of the
> American way of life. Of course, we could be fighting the Islamic terrorists
> here in the streets of America, but only delusional Democrats would want
> that sort of thing. If the Iraq War turns out to be successful George W.
> Bush will go down in history as one of our very greatest presidents.
> President Truman also had very low ratings in the polls, but he was quite
> right to drop the atom bomb on Japan and to engage us in the Korean War.
>
> Liberal left wing kooks should be rounded up and executed. They are nothing
> but cowards and traitors. I personally would be delighted to blow their
> freaking brains out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Someone tell me this guy is a comedian doing a sarcastic routine. Please...
Lou Holtman
Doug Taylor
This is what is known as a troll. If you had freaked out and tried to
respond, you would have been what is known as hooked.
Good thing, because the troll meter rates this as a fairly lame one,
say a 2.
Tony Raven
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Someone tell me this guy is a comedian doing a sarcastic routine.
> Please...
Yep, another lame one from Ed the Inadequate.
--
Tony
"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
41
Edward Dolan wrote:
[with attributions corrected]
> > "41" <KingGe...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> > news:1148790578.0...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > carl...@comcast.net wrote:
> > > On 22 May 2006 19:23:46 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >
> > > >"seriously mentally ill".
> >
> >
> > Of all the creepy things. So now we're supposed to be promulgating a
> > secret black list of the mentally ill, keeping them from ordering
> > bicycle parts? What the hell? Suppose there actually were a mentally
> > ill person here on r.b.t (only one?????), god forbid actually ordering
> > bicycle parts. Well, that person has as much right to shop and to ride
> > as anyone else; and if they had a rough time with one shop owner, to
> > either find a more congenial one, or to get better themselves and try
> > again elsewhere, if that's the ticket.
> >
> > Good grief, this is r.b.t: two-thirds of the traffic here already is
> > generated by people who are greviously mentally ill, and two-thirds of
> > that is the really, really ugly kind. So now people are so fussy? If
> > the mentally ill were kept from ordering bicycle parts, there'd be a
> > lot of shops represented here going bust in short order. And that's
> > just the customers, what about the shop owners? I understand there are
> > think the war in Iraq was necessary or prudent, and that George W. Bush
> > is competent. Talk about delusional.
>
> The Iraq War was the greatest thing ever to come down the pike of the
> here in the streets of America, but only delusional Democrats would want
> that sort of thing. If the Iraq War turns out to be successful George W.
> Bush will go down in history as one of our very greatest pres idents.
> President Truman also had very low ratings in the polls, but he was quite
> right to drop the atom bomb on Japan and to engage us in the Korean War.
>
> Liberal left wing kooks should be rounded up and executed. They are nothing
> freaking brains out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Lou Holtman wrote:
# > Jose Rizal wrote:
# > > Someone tell me this guy is a comedian doing a sarcast ic
routine.
# > > Please...
# >
# >
# > I'm afraid not...
Au contraire, whether the real deal or mere poseur, he is expressing
solidarity with my view that two-thirds of the traffic here already is
generated by people who are grievously mentally ill, and two-thirds of
that is the really, really ugly kind. So what the hell is this with
promulgating to shops a secret blacklist of them??
Edward Dolan
"Tony Raven" <ju...@raven-family.com> wrote in message
news:4dtp9aF...@individual.net...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS - NOR DOES HE EVEN QUOTE ANY OF THE PREVIOUS
MESSAGE TO WHICH HE IS RESPONDING. WHAT AN IDIOT!
> Jose Rizal wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> Someone tell me this guy is a comedian doing a sarcastic routine.
>> Please...
>
> Yep, another lame one from Ed the Inadequate.
>
> --
> Tony
What the fuck is Tony Raven doing here on these American newsgroups. He is a
bona fide UK nincompoop and we surely do not need him here on the North
American continent. If he will stay off of our groups, I will promise to
stay off of his freaking UK groups.
Regards,
Edward Dolan
>> here in the streets of America, but only delusional Democrats would want
>> that sort of thing. If the Iraq War turns out to be successful George W.
>> Bush will go down in history as one of our very greatest presidents.
>> President Truman also had very low ratings in the polls, but he was quite
>> right to drop the atom bomb on Japan and to engage us in the Korean War.
>>
>> Liberal left wing kooks should be rounded up and executed. They are
>> nothing
>> freaking brains out.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Lou Holtman wrote:
> # > Jose Rizal wrote:
> # > > Someone tell me this guy is a comedian doing a sarcast ic
> routine.
> # > > Please...
> # >
> # >
> # > I'm afraid not...
>
> Au contraire, whether the real deal or mere poseur, he is expressing
> solidarity with my view that two-thirds of the traffic here already is
> generated by people who are grievously mentally ill, and two-thirds of
> that is the really, really ugly kind. So what the hell is this with
> promulgating to shops a secret blacklist of them??
Well, at least this idiot who goes by the number "41" has brains enough to
know how to post correctly which is more than that other idiot Tony Raven
knows how to do. It has ever been my karma to be saddled with nothing but
idiots, morons and imbeciles. Apparently, my genius attracts such types as a
dung heap attracts flies.
Edward Dolan
"Doug Taylor" <dta...@dreamscape.com> wrote in message
news:3n9j72pov86e3iigg...@4ax.com...
I merely state what everyone who is not a liberal left wing ding bat thinks,
but is too intimidated by the liberal mass media to say. I do believe that
the mass media pretty much determines in the long run what Americans will
think about things. The talk radio conservative voices are basically in the
wilderness preaching to the choir. It is the great unwashed (ignorant slobs)
who always determine which way the country goes in national elections.
Most people should not be allowed to vote. They are simply too stupid. But
failing that, I am always greatly encouraged when very few people actually
do vote. This is all too the good. Why would you want liberal left wing ding
bats who have been brainwashed by the mass media to be voting. It makes no
sense whatsoever!
Further, I believe a highly educated gentleman of leisure such as myself
should have many votes, not just one vote. Because of my Greatness I believe
I should have at least 1000 votes at the bare minimum. This is to counteract
all the idiots in the land who do not know their asses from a hole in the
ground.
Democracy is eventually going to fail and we will end up being ruled by
someone like Sadamn Hussein. Murder and rape will be the order of the day.
Our population will mostly be Mexican in a few more years and they won't
mind being ruled by a tyrant as that is what they are used to anyway. We are
all just thirsting to revert to slavery. We want nothing better than to kiss
someone's ass and be given an allowance like children to live out our
miserable lives. At long last, we shall be as one with the unwashed hordes
of Asia and Africa. Hallelujah, home at last!
Tony Raven
>
> Further, I believe a highly educated gentleman of leisure such as myself
> should have many votes, not just one vote. Because of my Greatness I believe
> I should have at least 1000 votes at the bare minimum. This is to counteract
> all the idiots in the land who do not know their asses from a hole in the
> ground.
>
Nurz, Mr Dolan needs a top up of haloperidol
Tim McNamara
"Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> It has ever been my karma to be saddled with nothing but idiots,
> morons and imbeciles. Apparently, my genius attracts such types as a
> dung heap attracts flies.
As the proverb goes: "the rest of the world isn't crazy." The source
of your travails is closer than you think.
Tim McNamara
Tony Raven <ju...@raven-family.com> wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> > Further, I believe a highly educated gentleman of leisure such as
> > myself should have many votes, not just one vote. Because of my
> > Greatness I believe I should have at least 1000 votes at the bare
> > minimum. This is to counteract all the idiots in the land who do
> > not know their asses from a hole in the ground.
> >
>
> Nurz, Mr Dolan needs a top up of haloperidol
Don't worry about it. He did too much LDS in the 60s.*
*showing my geek credentials here, I fear.
Sorni
Mormonism?!?
> *showing my geek credentials here, I fear.
Most of mine was in the '70s.
carl...@comcast.net
Dear Tim,
It's interesting that Ed himself compares his "genius" to a dung heap
attracting flies, when moths-to-a-flame, flies-to-honey,
ants-to-sugar, bees-to-perfume, butterflies-to-flowers, and other
insect-similes were available.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
Tim McNamara
"Sorni" <sorno...@sanno.rrspam.com> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
> > In article <4e84ovF...@individual.net>,
> > Tony Raven <ju...@raven-family.com> wrote:
>
> >> Nurz, Mr Dolan needs a top up of haloperidol
>
> > Don't worry about it. He did too much LDS in the 60s.*
>
> Mormonism?!?
Star Trek IV...
Edward Dolan
<carl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4f6u72tq1b4qdjluq...@4ax.com...
My mind is in the gutter of late from all the scoundrels and knaves I am
constantly having to deal with. I can no longer think any pleasant thoughts.
All I want to do is to cuss and swear at everyone. Am I going insane or
what? The blackguarding goes on forever, but Ed Dolan the Great ye will not
always have with you.
Edward Dolan
"Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-E1C7F5....@news.iphouse.com...
All liberal left wing ding bats ought to be taken out and executed
forthwith. I would be merciful like Allah and give them a bullet to the back
of their freaking heads. What the hell are they good for? All they do is run
down the US. They are nothing but cowards and traitors to Western
Civilization. They deserve to live in a pig sty like Uganda or the Sudan
where they could be with their black and brown brothers.