Andreu's race notebook
C. Michael McCallum
http://www.greatoutdoors.com/velonews/race/peloton/index.htm
It is quite interesting today.
Cheers,
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Ken Papai
>F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
I never understood this - why denigrate VeloNews? Their service
is excellent. Could you do better? I know a lot of their articles
could use a lot better editing (mispellings, apostrophes, to/too, etc.),
but still in the overall they are excellent.
>http://www.greatoutdoors.com/velonews/race/peloton/index.htm
>It is quite interesting today.
Frankie's unabashed reports are always interesting. He pulls
no punches and calls a spade a spade!
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david_garza
>... But if you go out and stop and
>start and fart around all day, you look like a bunch of fucking guilty
>lamos. (I really do think that they are acting pretty guilty. They seem
>to be crying to the organizers, "Please save us from the police, we have
>ridden a hard race, and they are being mean to me") ...
JaJa's protest and abandon won't save him from the investigators, if they
decide to go after him. Same for all the other French riders.
>(Yes, I do subscribe to the view that Rodney King deserved a good
>beating.)
This brings up the good point about real civil rights violations. If the
riders think they have it tough, they should try DWB (Driving While Black)
in some U.S. cities.
-- David (skeptical that AA would really want his skull fractured every
time he's caught speeding ... must be sparking up the pipe again with TK)
C. Michael McCallum
: mcca...@netcom.com (C. Michael McCallum) writes:
: >F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
: I never understood this - why denigrate VeloNews? Their service
: is excellent. Could you do better? I know a lot of their articles
: could use a lot better editing (mispellings, apostrophes, to/too, etc.),
: but still in the overall they are excellent.
Denigrate? How did you come up with that? If I wanted to denigrate
them I would have said something about their "objective" reviews or their
lack of an editorial policy.
If I wanted to besmirch them I would do more then use my pet name for
them. Relax, OK? I am not responsible for today.
John Forrest Tomlinson
McCallum) writes:
>
>F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
>
>
If the magazine has interesting articles, why do you make fun of its
name?
JT
Andrew Albright
actions.
They seem to take their frustrations out on the wrong people.
If they really believe they shouldn't be treated this way by the police,
then you make your statement to the police.
The TVM riders should have said, "Fuck you and your shithole country.
You may have a cool race once a year, but your justice system sucks.
And furthermore your whole country blows hard dick. You don't have
anything on me*, I will NOT let you take personal samples on me. Put me
in jail for 3 days, but I am going to call my embassy and report false
imprisonment, harassment, etc."
Then when they are in jail and can't start the next day, THEN the shit
hits the fan and you are calling the police's card on this. Do they
REALLY want to stop the Tour? If they are holding riders, it is the
POLICE who are holding the Tour up. But if you go out and stop and
start and fart around all day, you look like a bunch of fucking guilty
lamos. (I really do think that they are acting pretty guilty. They seem
to be crying to the organizers, "Please save us from the police, we have
ridden a hard race, and they are being mean to me")
Andrew Albright
*This is of course is only if these guys are innocent. If they have
been on the "juice", which probably a lot of them have been, then really
that are getting what they deserve. (Yes, I do subscribe to the view
that Rodney King deserved a good beating.)
p.s. Casino made a good point about the French police's hypocrisy regard
the AIDS scadal where a Ministry oversaw experiments resulting in the
infection and death of hemophiliacs.
C. Michael McCallum wrote:
>
> F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
>
> http://www.greatoutdoors.com/velonews/race/peloton/index.htm
>
> It is quite interesting today.
>
> Cheers,
>
Tom Kunich
>
> If the magazine has interesting articles, why do you make fun of its
> name?
They don't have very good coverage on the average. They don't have
vey good writing as the rule. They are nothing more than a commercial
enterprise and a lot of people remember when it was an enthusiasts
magazine. Now it's nothing. And they have Grady to boot.
RMCrissey
>that Rodney King deserved a good beating.
Finally! Something that we agree on!
Andrew Albright
who are never exposed to bad words.
David, Garza wrote:
> >(Yes, I do subscribe to the view that Rodney King deserved a good
> >beating.)
>
> This brings up the good point about real civil rights violations. If the
> riders think they have it tough, they should try DWB (Driving While Black)
> in some U.S. cities.
Try Driving Drunk While Black At Night Through Residential Areas and
Then Resisting Arest.
> -- David (skeptical that AA would really want his skull fractured every
> time he's caught speeding ... must be sparking up the pipe again with TK)
Never been arrested for speeding, and certainly not while drunk.
And if I had done what he did, I would certainly deserve a beating.
Andrew Albright
John Forrest Tomlinson
>: mcca...@netcom.com (C. Michael McCallum) writes:
>
>: >F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
>
>: I never understood this - why denigrate VeloNews? Their service
>: is excellent. Could you do better? I know a lot of their articles
>: could use a lot better editing (mispellings, apostrophes, to/too,
etc.),
>: but still in the overall they are excellent.
>
>Denigrate? How did you come up with that? If I wanted to denigrate
>them I would have said something about their "objective" reviews or
their
>lack of an editorial policy.
>
>If I wanted to besmirch them I would do more then use my pet name for
>them. Relax, OK? I am not responsible for today.
>
>Mike McCallum
>--
Sure, Mr. McDullum.
JT
tku...@my-dejanews.com
>
> Finally! Something that we agree on!
Yes, but not at the hands of the police. At the hands of the court.
That was where the weakness was in his case.
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Ken Papai
Hmmm..... OK, i give up. Which Cycling magazine has
better coverage than VeloNews which publishes about
22 times a year and has a fairly up-to-date website?
There ain't one better. It's not perfect - what is?
My major gripe (and it's just a technical one) is most of
the VN editors and writers seemed to have flunked english.
I love their photos, race reports, feature articles, etc.
C. Michael McCallum
: In <mccallumE...@netcom.com> mcca...@netcom.com (C. Michael
: McCallum) writes:
: >
: >Ken Papai (kpa...@rahul.net) wrote:
: >: mcca...@netcom.com (C. Michael McCallum) writes:
: >
: >: >F.A's daily race notes are posted now on VeloSnooze
: >
: Sure, Mr. McDullum.
MISTER! Well, that's more like it!
Fyodor Dostoyfredsky
: David, Garza wrote:
:
: > -- David (skeptical that AA would really want his skull fractured every
: > time he's caught speeding ... must be sparking up the pipe again with TK)
: Never been arrested for speeding, and certainly not while drunk.
: And if I had done what he did, I would certainly deserve a beating.
Rodney may have deserved a beating but he didn't deserve to be beat
that bad. If he would have been a child molester, Rodney wouldn't have
gotten much sympathy, but that beating was simply excessive for an out
of control drunk.
Henry
David Garza
> > -- David (skeptical that AA would really want his skull fractured every
> > time he's caught speeding ... must be sparking up the pipe again with TK)
>
> Never been arrested for speeding, and certainly not while drunk.
> And if I had done what he did, I would certainly deserve a beating.
So if I understand you: you're not pissed off about the way the riders are being
treated, you're pissed off because they won't play their part in this farce with
a smile on their faces.
In not calling the Tour off, LeBlanc has forced the riders to continue to ride
in extremely undignified circumstances, and though I'm unsympathetic to the
riders feelings, I can understand pretty well why they would like the cops and
the media to back off a little.
-- David
Chris Moll
>After reading Frankie's column, I really don't understand the rider's
>actions.
>They seem to take their frustrations out on the wrong people.
>If they really believe they shouldn't be treated this way by the police,
>then you make your statement to the police.
>Then when they are in jail and can't start the next day, THEN the shit
>hits the fan and you are calling the police's card on this. Do they
>REALLY want to stop the Tour? If they are holding riders, it is the
>POLICE who are holding the Tour up.
I am happy to say that I've never enjoyed the hospitality of the French
gendarmes.
However I would venture a guess that if you aren't French, and maybe
don't speak French, and find yourself sitting in a French jail late at
night after a humiliating strip-search, with no clue whether they're
going to let you return to your hotel immediately so maybe you can eat
something so you don't blow up completely tomorrow, or if you're going
to get a long, up-close and way-too-personal look at Napoleonic-code
French justice - at that moment refusing to cooperate might well strike
you as a Really Bad Idea.
It's probably safe to say that in the midst of the chaos of the Tour,
most of the riders feel they have control over only thing, whether they
pedal after the mechanic sticks a bicycle under them. If they cry and
beat their chests after it's over, who will care? If they shut down
the Tour, _lots_ of people will care, especially in France.
>But if you go out and stop and start and fart around all day, you look
>like a bunch of fucking guilty lamos.
True but it's better than looking like gutless sheep...
I gather the police DID prevent Massi from starting.
Chris Moll
not-fo...@roble.com
> I am happy to say that I've never enjoyed the hospitality of the French
> gendarmes.
As a resident of France on various occasions I can assure you that
French police are a throw-back to the post-war era. France has little
in the way of due process and their legal infrastructure can do little
about police brutality or corruption.
Roger
Rob
not-fo...@roble.com wrote:
> As a resident of France on various occasions I can assure you that
> French police are a throw-back to the post-war era. France has little
> in the way of due process and their legal infrastructure can do little
> about police brutality or corruption.
>
> Roger
Ok, how can they be a "throw-back", if we are still in the post-war era? Or
did you mean pre-war?
Kevin M. Jones
> >Yes, I do subscribe to the view
> >that Rodney King deserved a good beating.
>
> Finally! Something that we agree on!
Like the animal he was, huh?
What kind of racist bullshit is this? Please keep it to yourself.
Skoootter
Gee, Kevin, you're the one who interjected race into this. RMCrissey didn't
say or imply anything about race. Rodney King, white or black, deserved a
worse beating than he got. If you think that views like this can only be held
by racists, then perhaps you should relook your views.
gro...@kompit.com.pl
Yes, you're right, Skootter; a bandit can be even pink, and is still a
bandit.
From my point of view; different countries have different laws, and I
feel as obligation to now them. It starts on the border; for example,
you must know how much of booz (legal narcotic), you can bring to the
USA, or Germany or other country. If you seek young girls, better check
the age, etc. If you want some adventures, lets go to Iran, with just
two kilos of heroin in Kevin's (not my) bag, and we'll see what will
happen...
Greetings from Cracow
wojtek g
VoiD
> >What kind of racist bullshit is this? Please keep it to yourself.
> >
> Gee, Kevin, you're the one who interjected race into this. RMCrissey didn't
> say or imply anything about race. Rodney King, white or black, deserved a
> worse beating than he got. If you think that views like this can only be held
> by racists, then perhaps you should relook your views.
>
Maybe I think you deserve a beating for perpetuating this thread, but
that doesn't make it right to actually beat you. I disagree vehemently
with closet vigilantes, and don't think any justice was meted out by
beating Rodney King. Besides, race was interjected into this discussion
because the whole issue mutated in the press into a racial issue, and I
think the press was right in doing so, because I seriously doubt that if
Rodney King was white, he'd be anything more that slightly roughed up
before being packed away in the cruiser. The cops would not have knocked
him down and started laying the boots to him like they did.
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(Skoootter) writes:
>Gee, Kevin, you're the one who interjected race into this. RMCrissey didn't
>say or imply anything about race. Rodney King, white or black, deserved a
>worse beating than he got. If you think that views like this can only be
>held
>by racists, then perhaps you should relook your views.
Here, here!!!
Robin Hubert
Kevin M. Jones
>
> > >From: "Kevin M. Jones"
> >
> > >RMCrissey wrote:
> > >
> > >> >Yes, I do subscribe to the view
> > >> >that Rodney King deserved a good beating.
> > >>
> > >> Finally! Something that we agree on!
> > >
> > > Like the animal he was, huh?
> > >
> > >
> > say or imply anything about race. Rodney King, white or black, deserved a
> > worse beating than he got. If you think that views like this can only be held
> > by racists, then perhaps you should relook your views.
Why did he deserve a worse beating than he got?I also do not believe that any man
(or any animal) deserved to be beaten like
the Police beat Rodney King. The attorneys defending the police tried to liken
Rodney
King to a dangerous animal. It is clear to me who the animals were that night.
True, I did point out how racist this was. You are trying to make the point that
independent
of his "race" that Rodney King deserved to be beaten like an animal by the police.
I simply do not
believe you can make this distinction.
The same thing has been said about many black men throughout the history of this
country without
mentioning "race". I do not think it is a coincidence that the man who "deserved"
a good beating
happened to be black man.
Skoootter
>Why did he deserve a worse beating than he got?
>You are trying to make the point that
>independent
>of his "race" that Rodney King deserved to be beaten like an animal by the
>police.
He wasn't beaten like an animal, he was beaten like a CRIMINAL without the
good sense not to attack the police nor to stop after being zapped with a tazor
gun.
RMCrissey
>What kind of racist bullshit is this? Please keep it to yourself.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT RACE I AM? Race is obviously a major concern for you, but
some of us were raised with interracial families, and don't look at color.
Don't accuse me of racism until you know something about me, close-minded
idiot.
> Like the animal he was, huh?
>
No, like the criminal that he IS. It's because of people like Rodney King that
we have people charging through the Capital killing people. Rodney King
attempted to attack a police officer, and got beat. It was not because he was
black. The other moron shot at officers and got shot. Sounds like JUSTICE to
me.
Keep the self-rightous accusations to yourself.
Ryan Crissey
RMCrissey
>The attorneys defending the police tried to liken
>Rodney
>King to a dangerous animal.
>True, I did point out how racist this was.
Of course. That's because animals have race....
>The same thing has been said about many black men throughout the history of
>this
>country without
>mentioning "race". I do not think it is a coincidence that the man who
>"deserved"
>a good beating
>happened to be black man.
No. Race is just a subject to get people up in arms. In 1997, a huge ordeal
was made of "Black Churches" burning down - 27 of them. In that same year, 26
"White Churches" burned down in the same area (US South East). So where is the
racism? The people who perpetuate racism as a problem. Typically, the first
people to scream about these things are the guilty ones. Racism, Sexuality,
and this year's TdF Drug Scandal are all examples.
To assume that I am white because I said something about Rodney King is
RACIST!!!
Now go look in the mirror.
Ryan Crissey.
ht...@my-dejanews.com
Anybody who can get a Hyundai to go 110MPH is dangerous and must be
controlled. Some cops must lie so much that their plausability meters are
FUBAR. Why does it take a camcorder to make them accountable?
Ken Papai
which has NOTHING to do with this newsgroup?????
Do you guys need a lesson in newsgroup ettiquette?
Or, do you enjoy injecting entropy into every newsgroup
you follow and post to?
Have ANY of you heard about taking private arguments to email?
I doubt it. Go away. Thanks! (and take Marcello with you)
Thanks!!!!!!
ObRacing: fist prediction for the Tour 1999: the podium doesn't
change any names on it just their positions. Wait... Festina will
be back. Maybe one name might change and he might be Morroccan born...
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David Ryan
>
> In article <199808012328...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
> skoo...@aol.com (Skoootter) wrote:
> > >From: "Kevin M. Jones"
> >
> > >Why did he deserve a worse beating than he got?
> >
> > >You are trying to make the point that
> > >independent
> > >of his "race" that Rodney King deserved to be beaten like an animal by the
> > >police.
> >
> > He wasn't beaten like an animal, he was beaten like a CRIMINAL without the
> > good sense not to attack the police nor to stop after being zapped with a tazor
> > gun.
>
> Anybody who can get a Hyundai to go 110MPH is dangerous and must be
> controlled. Some cops must lie so much that their plausability meters are
> FUBAR. Why does it take a camcorder to make them accountable?
Accountability has nothing to do with it. Americans are just too
squeamish to actually watch someone get what they deserve or do
whatever it takes to stop anti-social behavior. That's why we are
paralyzed to do anything to anybody who's tearing up on civilized
society. That's why anyone blamed the police at all instead of
giving them medals for bravery in the face of a homocidal maniac.
Better for everyone else if King had just hit a wall.
The French, on the other hand, seem to have a little more leeway
when it comes to seriously inconveniencing trouble-makers.
(Sort of trying to divert this thread back to relevance and away
from destruction, a la Armageddon ;-)
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Brad Anders wrote in message ...
>not-fo...@roble.com writes:
>
>>In rec.bicycles.racing Chris Moll <frui...@shell1.ncal.verio.com> wrote:
>>> I am happy to say that I've never enjoyed the hospitality of the French
>>> gendarmes.
>
>>As a resident of France on various occasions I can assure you that
>>French police are a throw-back to the post-war era. France has little
>>in the way of due process and their legal infrastructure can do little
>>about police brutality or corruption.
>
>>Roger
>
>"Roger". As in "Roger Marquis"? Roger, how about some comments from you
>about how there isn't a widespread doping problem with cycling? We found
>you strangely absent from the Festina-gate commentary :-).
>
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