Ullrich will win at alpe d` huez
gary o`rourke
Paul Smith
armstrong looked shakey yesterday, being the only one of the contenders that
couldnt react when jan attacked to pull back the group on kruezberg .
"gary o`rourke" <garyo...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:q0f47.76294$aE6.6...@news1.cableinet.net...
Scott Downie
put time on the next day in the TT or in any of the following days in the
mountains. The kill shot will most likely be in the stage 18 TT .
Historically Ullrich becomes stronger as the tour progresses and Armstrong
weakens.
--
William S. Downie
"My wife and I have a difference of opinion, she thinks I need to see a
shrink, I think I need a new bike"
Coupdevill
couldnt react when jan attacked to pull back the group on kruezberg . >>
I'm not sure that he wasn't holding back, I think that it s still to early to
tell, but with out a doubt Telecom has showed up to fight.
coupd...@aol.comnospamplease
Daniel Ziemer
> weakens.
I dont believe this sort of stuff. This "historically" is true just for the last
year and even there Armstrong didn't really weakened much at the end since he
won the last TT in Ullrichs living room. In '97, for example, Ullrich gained his
comfortable lead in the first two weeks and had problems afterwards in the
vosges and finished just 2nd in the last TT.
In my opinion the weather forecast is much more interesting for a
Ullrich-Armstrong-duel (if you want it to be a duel) than the progess of the
tour: Ullrich has problems everytimes when it is both cold and rainy (1997: no
bad weather mountain stage; 1998: his 9-min-lost to Pantani; 2000: his lost at
the first mountain stage), but Armstrong is strong at any weather (1999/2000:
gained his lead in the rainy first mountains stage; 2001: won the sunny TT at
the Tour de Suisse).
Scott Downie
Tim McNamara
Downie <Cill...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Ullrich 9 min loss to Pantani was food bonk, so I am told.
As was Arstrong's "weakness" in the mountains last year. Six of one,
half dozen of the other.
This all brings up a simple fact: neither Armstrong or Ullrich are
supermen. They are subject to the same frailties as anyone else,
although this is relative. Ullrich on his worst sausage bloated day
could still kick my ass up any hill I care to name, in whatever
weather, even if he wasn't to stuffy to ride on a Huffy. It's a matter
of one or the other being 1-2% stronger on the day.
Jaybee
around 66 kg this year as opposed to 72 kg ( think this was the number) last
year. If this is true, I am amazed he can stand up to the rigors of this
race. I wonder what his body fat % is at 146 lbs? Seems like this is
extreme for his height and build. More like a marathoner than a cyclist!
Although I am not a professional trainer or nutritionist, there is an ideal
weight for an individual performance and this seems to me to be too light
for LA.
I am about the same size as LA but never could get below 158 lbs (9% body
fat) but this really optimized my climbing. I couldn't see be any lighter.
Oh well, he pays a lot of people to advise him correctly.
What do I know?
"Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:150720011405342006%tim...@bitstream.net...
Norm T
superman in the Tour.
zeno
The question remains though: did his somewhat inferior competition when he
won his TDFs (no "great" challengers) make him look better than he
ultimately was, or was he so good that he made everyone else at the time
look like chopped liver?
zeno
Henry Chang
>Indurain is the only guy since Merckx retired who I would call a true
>superman in the Tour.
Indurain was badass in 1996. That was amazing, true superman stuff.
Henry
Heinz Getzler
> He may not win alpe d'huez but if he stays even with Armstrong there. He may
> put time on the next day in the TT or in any of the following days in the
> mountains. The kill shot will most likely be in the stage 18 TT .
> Historically Ullrich becomes stronger as the tour progresses and Armstrong
> weakens.
At this point in the race it is really hard to draw any firm
conclusions as to who is stronger. But it does appear however that
Ullrich and Telekom is trying to force the pace more.
Boyd Speerschneider
news:B7786D3B.CBB8%zen...@telocity.com:
> I agree that Big Mig was "super" compared to his contemporary
> competition.
>
> The question remains though: did his somewhat inferior competition when
> he won his TDFs (no "great" challengers) make him look better than he
> ultimately was, or was he so good that he made everyone else at the
> time look like chopped liver?
Personally, I think that Indurain had great challengers.
If you take a look at the competition he had in the TDF's he won, he had
some pretty stiff competition. Guys who had won a classic and/or one of the
other two grand tours (Pantani, Rominger, Jalabert, Zulle, Riis, etc.).
No slouches in this list.
He was just so good he made them look normal.
Boyd S.
zeno
call any of them potentially "great," except for maybe Pantani because of
his Giro/Tour Double. But when Miguel was dominating, the tiny climber was
still young and had not yet found his magic formula for "Championship Form",
and in most tours, the TT would probably be his undoing.
I wouldn't call any of the others (Rominger, Jalabert, Zulle, Riis) the kind
of champions who might have been dominating multi-Tour winners if Miguel had
never been born. All of them have been criticized at times for not living up
to their potential or under-performing.
Indurain did not have the quality of opposition that Lemond (Hinault &
Fignon) or Armstrong (Ullrich) have faced, for example. (And of course
Lemond did defeat Miguel, but that was before Miguel was Banesto's #1
rider.)
I think great champions need powerful opponents to confirm their greatness
-- Miguel just didn't have them. That doesn't mean that he isn't the
greatest Tour rider to date, but I think this lack of highest quality
opposition makes such a claim much harder to support.
zeno
Clay Tidwell
> Indurain is the only guy since Merckx retired who I would call a true
> superman in the Tour.
I think LeMond's performance in '89 could merit superhuman status.
Staying close to Fignon w/ a very weak team and them pulling off what
everyone thought was impossible in the final TT. The guy was a stud.
Thach H Nguyen
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, zeno wrote:
> I agree that Big Mig was "super" compared to his contemporary competition.
>
> The question remains though: did his somewhat inferior competition when he
> won his TDFs (no "great" challengers) make him look better than he
> ultimately was, or was he so good that he made everyone else at the time
> look like chopped liver?
>
> zeno
Were Greg LeMond, Zulle, Rominger all pieces of cake?
Daniel Connelly
>
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, zeno wrote:
>
> > I agree that Big Mig was "super" compared to his contemporary competition.
> >
> > The question remains though: did his somewhat inferior competition when he
> > won his TDFs (no "great" challengers) make him look better than he
> > ultimately was, or was he so good that he made everyone else at the time
> > look like chopped liver?
> >
> > zeno
>
> Were Greg LeMond, Zulle, Rominger all pieces of cake?
LeMond's not a factor in the Indurain years. I think
one could say 1990 was a soft year.
W/o Indurain, you have Bugno, Chiappucci, Rominger,
Ugrumov, Zulle.
http://members.nbci.com/cvccbikers/tour/top_ten.html
1991 1 Indurain, Miguel E 101 01'20"
2 Bugno, Gianni I 3'36"
3 Chiappucci, Claudio I 5'56"
4 Mottet, Charly F 7'37"
5 Leblanc, Luc F 10'10"
6 Fignon, Laurent F 11'27"
7 Lemond, Greg USA 13'13"
8 Hampsten, Andy USA 13'40"
9 Delgado, Pedro E 20'10"
10 Rue Gerard F 20'13"
1992 1 Indurain, Miguel E 100 49'30"
2 Chiappucci, Claudio I 4'35"
3 Bugno, Gianni I 10'49"
4 Hampsten, Andrew USA 13'40"
5 Lino, Pascal F 14'37"
6 Delgado, Pedro E 15'16"
7 Breukink, Erik NL 18'51"
8 Perini, Giancarlo I 19'16"
9 Roche, Stephen IRL 20'23"
10 Heppner, Jens D 25'30"
1993 1 Indurain, Miguel E 95 57'09"
2 Rominger, Toni CH 4'59"
3 Jaskula, Zenon PL 5'48"
4 Mejia, Alvaro COL 7'29"
5 Riis, Bjarne DK 16'26"
6 Chiappucci, Claudio I 17'18"
7 Bruyneel, Johan B 18'04"
8 Hampsten, Andrew USA 20'14"
9 Delgado, Pedro E 23'57"
10 Pulnikov, Vladimir OEK 25'29"
1994 1 Indurain, Miguel E 103 38'38"
2 Ugrumov, Piotr LET 5'39"
3 Pantani, Marco I 7'19"
4 Leblanc, Luc F 10'03"
5 Virenque, Richard F 10'10"
6 Conti, Roberto I 12'29"
7 Elli, Alberto I 20'17"
8 Zülle, Alex CH 20'35"
9 Bölts, Udo D 25'19"
10 Pulnikov, Vladimir OEK 25'28"
1995 1 Miguel Indurain E 92 44'59"
2 Alex Zulle CH 4'35"
3 Bjarne Riis DK 6'47"
4 Laurent Jalabert F 8'24"
5 Ivan Gotti I 11'33"
6 Melchor Mauri E 15'20"
7 Fernando Escartin E 15'49"
8 Tony Rominger CH 16'46"
9 Richard Virenque F 17'31"
10 Hernan Buenahora COL 18'50"
SVenn
Go Lance!
Scott