Pity the poor French...
Brian Phillips
able to win their own damn race... not even a foreign rider on a French team
will win it!
Bob Martin
Pity the poor bugger who feels obliged to trot out this Francophobic rubbish.
Tom Kunich
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It was ASO who decided NOT to allow substitutions on teams thereby
automatically eliminating Vinokourov. I can see no reason for this "no
substitutions" rule other than to attempt to eliminate foreign riders and
boost the French percentage of particupation.
Not that it will do any good in the long run. Can anyone think of a
Frenchman with a chance other than from sheer luck to win even a stage?
And this has NOTHING to do with drugs and EVERYTHING to do with the fact
that the French simply do not bicycle anymore. Totaly aside from my own
experiences there I can cite a man who toured around France for 6 months. In
a town near the Mediterranean he said that while riding through a town he
saw another cyclist and that they were both so surprised they stopped in the
middle of the street and just stared at each other in shock at seeing
another cyclist in France.
When you have all of the kids going out for football and no one going out
for cycling you simply don't have enough of a talent base to find the
insipient Lance Brasforts.
b...@mambo.ucolick.org
> Not that it will do any good in the long run. Can anyone think of a
> Frenchman with a chance other than from sheer luck to win even a stage?
Jimmy Casper?
B. Lafferty
"Tom Kunich" <tku...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Bob Martin" <bob.m...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:eu3qg.77034$qD.1...@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> in 511067 20060702 235416 "Brian Phillips"
>> <bumphilDEL...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Lance retires, Ullrich and Basso and Vino are out, and they still won't
>>>be
>>>able to win their own damn race... not even a foreign rider on a French
>>>team
>>>will win it!
>>
>> Pity the poor bugger who feels obliged to trot out this Francophobic
>> rubbish.
>
> It was ASO who decided NOT to allow substitutions on teams thereby
> automatically eliminating Vinokourov. I can see no reason for this "no
> substitutions" rule other than to attempt to eliminate foreign riders and
> boost the French percentage of particupation.
Wrong again, Tommy. It was the teams that decided on no replacements.
Teams spokesman Patrick Lefevere said that there will be no replacements for
the riders who have been taken out. "We have unanimously decided to send all
the riders who are on the list home, and not to substitute them."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun30news3
And where's the cite to Merckx taking money from ASO to not ride the 1973
Tour? You are such a putz.
Bret
David Moncoutie
jj1075
"Tom Kunich" <tku...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I can cite a man who toured around France for 6 months. In
> a town near the Mediterranean he said that while riding through a town he
> saw another cyclist and that they were both so surprised they stopped in
> the middle of the street and just stared at each other in shock at seeing
> another cyclist in France.
>
Your friend has a penchant for hyperbole or he's just full of
shit.......I'm thinking the later.
jj1075
Bob Martin
>And this has NOTHING to do with drugs and EVERYTHING to do with the fact
>that the French simply do not bicycle anymore. Totaly aside from my own
>experiences there I can cite a man who toured around France for 6 months. In
>a town near the Mediterranean he said that while riding through a town he
>saw another cyclist and that they were both so surprised they stopped in the
>middle of the street and just stared at each other in shock at seeing
>another cyclist in France.
My son has just spent two weeks cycling in Provence.
He said there were cyclists everywhere.
Sandy
writing silly lies to draw attention to himself. A modest personality
disorder, cured by removing the keyboard.
Donald Munro
> A modest personality disorder, cured by removing the keyboard.
As modest as madonna.
b...@mambo.ucolick.org
> Bob Martin a écrit :
> > "Tom Kunich" <tku...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> middle of the street and just stared at each other in shock at seeing
> >> another cyclist in France.
> >
> > My son has just spent two weeks cycling in Provence.
> > He said there were cyclists everywhere.
> >
> Not to worry. We ride. TK is not abstracted from reality. He is just
> writing silly lies to draw attention to himself. A modest personality
> disorder, cured by removing the keyboard.
Removing TK's keyboard from what orifice?
Howard Kveck
"b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
Removing his cranium from his orifice might be even more helpful.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Bret
Close, but not quite right. TK takes silly positions to draw attention
to himself. The silly lies are then needed to support the silly
positions.
BTW, I saw very many cyclists when I was in France last year, but any
time I spoke to one, they turned out to be either German or Dutch. I
quickly stopped assuming that the guys riding Treks in full
Postal/Discovery kit were Americans.
Bret
Howard Kveck
"Bret" <bret...@gmail.com> wrote:
> TK takes silly positions to draw attention to himself.
Regarding the need for attention: like all the times he's posted (and not just in
this forum) lists of the bikes in his garage.
Tom Kunich
In 2001 I spent three weeks in July in France. Two weeks around Dijon and up
to Lausanne and back through Basancon - out to Lyon and the final week in
Paris.
Inland I didn't see one single bicycle in two weeks save a couple of farmers
riding down the road to another field pulling trailers with hand tools in
them. There were a few bike shops but they were combination bike-motorcycle
shops and had only a couple of bicycles in the place.
In Paris I managed to find three bicycle shops. Not one of them had anything
that I'd call an upper end road bike in stock though the one out in
northeastern section that had some moderate priced road bikes from the
French conglomerate with if memory serves the Mercier name upon them. Not a
bad bike but in just about any California bike shop you'd find three times
as many bikes and at least several high end frames around the place.
There were some sort of "bicycle tours" that started down near the Eiffel
Tower in the mornings. The used mountain bikes and rode very slowly about
the central section of Paris.
I didn't see an upper level road bike until the day before the Tour ended in
Paris. Then on the morning of the final stage, which was a circuit race
inside of Paris, there was some sort of group ride around the closed course
before the race started. In the US there would have been hundreds if not
thousands on such a ride. In Paris I observed perhaps a hundred cyclists
maximum and only a small percentage of those were serious looking cyclists
with good equipment.
During the race I sat in a square at Picpus which was the top of the
circuit. I was with a man from Britany and had a conversation with him about
the lack of bicyclists I'd noticed. He AGREED that there were few cyclist in
France save in the Britany region.
As a contrast, when I went up to Lausanne there were bike lanes along the
lake and there were THOUSANDS of cyclists riding in an almost continuous
stream one way or the other around the lake. And a VERY large percentage -
perhaps half - were new TOP END bicycles, many Colnagos, and most of the
rest were much older but still top of the line for their time cycles.
Three weeks isn't a long time and the Côte d'Azur in July isn't densely
populated but nevertheless I saw far more cyclists in Switzerland in 10
minutes than in three weeks in France.
By the way - L'Equipe special that July wasn't on the tour - it was on
football! When I asked for a copy of the newpaper L'Equipe the vendor would
talk about football and football only. When I mentioned cycling they would
often be at a loss. Even more telling was when I asked about L'Tour they
would look around and ask "what tower?"
B. Lafferty
assertion. Your reality is delusional.
Robert Chung
[nutbar stuff that I've snipped]
Tom also believes that McCarthy had lists, we needed to invade Iraq to
protect the US from WMDs, global warming is a left-wing conspiracy, aero
equipment doesn't have any benefit, and that Bush is competent.
Howard Kveck
wrote:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Tom Kunich
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Does this therefore mean that you don't believe that:
1) McCarthy had lists?
2) Iraq had WMD?
3) Global warming is man-made?
4) Aero equipment is worth the expense to a beginning racer?
5) You're competent to judge Bush's competence?
This ought to be really interesting if you have the guts to answer.
Robert Chung
Hmmm. I think your response shows that I was pretty accurate in my
description of your beliefs.
Robert Chung
I forgot: Tom also believes in Intelligent Design.
Ludmila Borgschatz-Thudpucker, MD
drink spectacular imported French wines if they choose, the French must
settle for domestics.
But few know the difference.
Curtis L. Russell
wrote:
>"Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4h0gl4F...@individual.net...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> [nutbar stuff that I've snipped]
>>
>> Tom also believes that McCarthy had lists, we needed to invade Iraq to
>> protect the US from WMDs, global warming is a left-wing conspiracy, aero
>> equipment doesn't have any benefit, and that Bush is competent.
>
>Does this therefore mean that you don't believe that:
>
>1) McCarthy had lists?
Yes, made up by his aides
>2) Iraq had WMD?
Possibly, but he wasn't giving them away to anyone.
>3) Global warming is man-made?
Probably. You can argue about the degree (minor pun), but what is ours
is what we can fix.
>4) Aero equipment is worth the expense to a beginning racer?
If he is a coronary specialist at a major hospital, entirely possible.
If he works at McDonalds and has a girlfriend, probably not, but
that's her problem - she needs to dump him. Anyone in between, its
their call.
>5) You're competent to judge Bush's competence?
Yeah, actually I do. You seem to feel you have the ability to judge
him competent, and as they say about the bear, in this one I only have
to prove I can outrun you. Leibermann and McCain in 2008: an
Independent Party ticket.
>
>This ought to be really interesting if you have the guts to answer.
>
Hell, I have the guts to answer in front of an audience of live
people. My only problem is getting them to show up.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
Sandy
Tim Lines
> 5) You're competent to judge Bush's competence?
If you believe you're not competent to judge Bush's competence, you need
to prove it by avoiding all polling places.
Tim Lines
If only you'd devoted the effort to saying that Kunich was a dope that
you spent saying that Lance was on dope you would have had a far easier
time.
B. Lafferty
"Tim Lines" <SP...@SPAM.com> wrote in message
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I'm having a difficult time? I think not, but thanks for caring. :-)
Tim Lines
There's a gap between how persuasive you find yourself and how
persuasive others find you. Either you noticed and it bothered you or
else you didn't. If you didn't even notice, it's awfully difficult to
understand the last 4 or 5 years of obsessive, repetitive LA postings
you've made.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying...
Tom Kunich
Just do we understand each other - my beliefs are that you don't know what
you're talking about and that's why you always avoid actually saying what
you mean.
Tom Kunich
>
> I forgot: Tom also believes in Intelligent Design.
Actually I've explained my beliefs along those lines many times before but
you're obviously not bright enough to have understood. But for the really
slow I'll repeat myself again:
WhatEVER someone wants to believe about the origin of life means absolutely
NOTHING. Only a moron such as yourself would argue with someone whose
religious beliefs lead them to believe that the universe was made one way or
another by God.
That is unless you can explain to us what caused the Big Bang?
William Asher
<snip>
>
> That is unless you can explain to us what caused the Big Bang?
>
It was a direct response to the Intense Foreplay. The Intense Foreplay was
due to consumption of beer. This is why there is such a universal
resonance with the tenets of the LiveDrunk(tm) lifestyle. Sort of like in
Childhood's End when the Overlords turn out to look exactly like Satan.
--
Bill Asher
Tom Kunich
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> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:39:53 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <tku...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:4h0gl4F...@individual.net...
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> [nutbar stuff that I've snipped]
>>>
>>> Tom also believes that McCarthy had lists, we needed to invade Iraq to
>>> protect the US from WMDs, global warming is a left-wing conspiracy, aero
>>> equipment doesn't have any benefit, and that Bush is competent.
>>
>>Does this therefore mean that you don't believe that:
>>
>>1) McCarthy had lists?
>
> Yes, made up by his aides
Perhaps you can cite one such list?
>>2) Iraq had WMD?
>
> Possibly, but he wasn't giving them away to anyone.
What leads you to believe that? I mean since the developments being
undertaken in Somolia (You remember the claim that Clinton "only bombed an
aspirin factory") was a joint effort between Al Qaida and Iraq.
>>3) Global warming is man-made?
>
> Probably. You can argue about the degree (minor pun), but what is ours
> is what we can fix.
Sunspot activity peaked in 2001. This was the highest peak in the last 8,000
years. Stanford scientists estimated that if CO2 was to double (it's
actually increased less than thirty one percent over the last 200 years in
the WILDEST guesses) it would contribute about .1 degree of average warming.
The sun's output increased 0.2% in the last 60 years. Moreover the wobble of
the earth on its axis has been turning the northern hemisphere more directly
towards the sun.
Do you also argue that using a lighter front derailleur would make you a
faster climber?
>>4) Aero equipment is worth the expense to a beginning racer?
>
> If he is a coronary specialist at a major hospital, entirely possible.
> If he works at McDonalds and has a girlfriend, probably not, but
> that's her problem - she needs to dump him. Anyone in between, its
> their call.
It's their call. Then explain why when someone comes here and asks for
advice they're recommended to spend large amounts of money on equipment that
would be moot if the person used the same funding for a good training coach?
If YOU want to buy aero wheels, an aero bar setup, put together a TT
specific bike it's your money and your call. When a novice asks advice and
you advise him to buy such crap you're little more than an idiot.
>>5) You're competent to judge Bush's competence?
>
> Yeah, actually I do. You seem to feel you have the ability to judge
> him competent, and as they say about the bear, in this one I only have
> to prove I can outrun you. Leibermann and McCain in 2008: an
> Independent Party ticket.
Firstly, I don't judge whether he's competent or not. I don't know what
advice he's getting but I DO know that it's a hell of a lot better than your
imagined situation room briefings.
Secondly, I've explained MANY times here that when you have thousands of
people to choose from it isn't a trick to discover someone that disagrees
with ALL of the experts. Just look at Laff@me.
>>This ought to be really interesting if you have the guts to answer.
>
> Hell, I have the guts to answer in front of an audience of live
> people. My only problem is getting them to show up.
But you'll notice that Robert Chung didn't.
dusto...@mac.com
Tom Kunich wrote:
> Just do we understand each other - my beliefs are that you don't know what
> you're talking about and that's why you always avoid actually saying what
> you mean.
TK, that was beautiful. --D-y
Howard Kveck
wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
Actually, you also forgot to mention the one idea Tom has that is most grievously
out of synch with reality: that he is smarter than everyone else in this group.
Sadly, no!