Redlands Bicycle Classic
Sierraman
as Jeanson has been having a few bad days. I was curious on how much time if
any is allowed on local channels?
thanks,
B-
Dave
"Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net> wrote in message news:euidnWzsOOI...@sti.net...
You know...I was thinking about Jeanson and her bad days coinciding with her...ahhh well forget
it...
Dave
h squared
can't answer your question, but i see that weldon is 24th after stage 4.
hopefully she'll post about the race after she gets back.
heather
ps. i would check for your rack obsessed gf too, but anonymous posters
get no rbr glory.
Dan Connelly
Have you done Fourier analysis?
Dan
Sierraman
"h squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Are you doing STP again this year?
Tim Mullin
news:B8B9c.23639$Lq4....@twister.socal.rr.com:
> You know...I was thinking about Jeanson and her bad days coinciding
> with her...
....inablity to get a Canadian license?
Dave
"Tim Mullin" <tvph...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Xns94BAB30FD99FCtv...@207.69.154.201...
High HCT revelation
Dave
pedalchick
> can't answer your question, but i see that weldon is 24th after stage 4.
> hopefully she'll post about the race after she gets back.
> heather
> ps. i would check for your rack obsessed gf too, but anonymous posters
> get no rbr glory.
If you're referring to me, I wouldn't consider myself rack-obsessed.
Really, I just would rather see jugs than read senseless suppositions
about the Tour de France... but you're entitled to your views.
I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity in order to
tell a story that probably shouldn't be told, but I feel the need to get
it out into the ether and off my back since I will have no opportunity
to resolve the problem otherwise. It's really long, and I apologize. But
I want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line? I certainly paid for it
if I was...
I joined a team for Redlands as a guest. I didn't know at all what I
would be riding for - I assumed they would want my absolute best
performance. I thought I'd be going to RACE. So I trained my ass off all
winter. I worked extra super hard, knowing that I'd have a team that
might not be happy with someone struggling in with the gruppetto for
80th place every day. I figured my only chance for personal glory would
be the prologue, so I wanted to ride well that day. I had heard the
women I was staying with were notoriously late all the time, so I stated
firmly that I would like to arrive at the course at least 2 hours before
my start, and that would be the only thing I would ask for. This was met
with resistance, since their director didn't want them hanging around
all that time, and insisted that they only needed a 30 minute warmup.
they basically told me, you're a guest, you don't have a say. You do
what we want you to do.
Regardless, they ended up leaving extra time for traffic and there was
none, so I got what I wanted, got there early and got a good warmup and
proceeded to have the best race of my life to date. I took over 40
seconds of last year's time and while I was out of the money on the
stage, I was up there with some big names - I was really pleased.
I told the team that as a guest, I didn't expect them to ride for me.
What I didn't expect was that I would be lowest on the totem pole even
though I was top of the team on the GC, if only by a handful of
seconds... the next day in the Crestline race, I was given the duty of
leading out the sprinter for the bonus sprint. Fine, I was nervous about
getting to the front as I am notoriously bad at moving through the pack,
but I said I'd do my best. I had also been given the role of protecting
the team GC leader.
The roll-out was exceedingly nervous. I was terrified. 140 women,
tailwind, roads with cracks and reflectors and medians. I was just
trying to get into a good position and not get killed, and I have to
admit I completely forgot about the rest of the team, I was that freaked
out. After a few miles, I was forcefully reminded of them when I was
pedalling along on the left side of the pack and one girl from my "team"
came crashing into my bars from the left side, nearly knocking me down
into our GC hopeful. I managed to keep my bike upright, but was pretty
freaked out.
I recoverd, got out into the wind to pull our GC hopeful up to the front
to keep her safe. Attacks were flying, and the pace was high. We were
getting squeezed constantly with medians and oncoming traffic. Finally,
we took a left turn and I had to brake to avoid a median and got pushed
to the back. The QOM was coming up, and I had to haul ass to get back up
to the front over the top, risking life and limb to move up for the
sprint point on the descent. I looked around a bit for the sprinter, but
I had been told it was her reponsibility to find me at the front, so I
was simply concerning myself with getting back up to the front.
With two miles to go to the sprint, I radioed for the sprinter to find
out where she was. I couldn't hear jack on the stupid thing. I was AT
the front. Looking around. Nobody. Then the one who tried to crash me
earlier screams at me that the sprinter has a flat, and I need to go
back and get her.
Now, I am a climber. I thought I'd be protecting our GC rider, and with
the stage ending on a big mountain, I thought it very odd and rather
strategically wrong to send me (someone who is small and not great in
the cross headwind we were experiencing) to go back for a sprinter when
the only sprint bonus of the day had passed. But, with all the screaming
this woman was doing at me, I soft pedaled to filter back. She screamed
at me to go back faster. Not wanting to jam on the brakes to do it, I
kept soft pedaling.
I spent the next 25 miles on the back of the pack and in the caravan
radioing to the sprinter who apparently had a broken microphone and
couldn't respond. I saw at least a half dozen women in that time who had
either crashed or flatted chase back on and move up past me. No sign of
my sprinter. For all I knew, she had climbed into the car and gone home.
I wasn't about to get behind the caravan and spend all day chasing for
nothing. I guess that's the sacrifice you are supposed to make for a
team, but they weren't really my team. They didn't pay my way out. They
weren't going to give me any support if I flatted, and ****, I had just
had the best TT of my life, my form was hot and I wanted to be in the
pack for the final climb, dammit.
So I gave up on the sprinter after the feed zone, where I was about a
minute behind the peloton in a small group. I hauled our group up to
another larger group for a mile or two. I caught my breath, and drove
that group up (we're entering the caravan now) to yet another group,
containing the screamer. I ignore her, and drive the crap out of the
group to the base of the final climb and then drop them.
I'm climbing steady, feeling awesome. I start catching people, and about
halfway up I find my GC leader and another from the team. The GC leader
is cramping. I try to pace her up, give her encouragement. It's clear
she's hurting. I stay with her for the middle third of the climb (I am
setting what feels like a ridiculously easy pace for me but I keep
dropping her). Finally, I'm setting a moderate tempo and I look back and
she's way down the climb and the other woman has left her, too. I then
figure she's told us to go on and ride, and so I do. I finish a couple
minutes up, pissed that I had to spend all day at the back of the pack
in the caravan because I was freakin' flying and could probably have
placed top 20 or 30 on the stage and moved up in the GC if I had started
with the leaders. Now we're all below 50th place.
I get screamed at for many minutes after the stage, and everyone is
really angry with me. I ask another friend for a ride off the mountain,
because I'm being treated like I just ruined everyone's life.
That evening back at the host-house, nobody is any happier. It's clear
that if I stay and do the rest of this race, it's going to be one huge
conflict the entire time. I don't get paid for this crap. I paid my way,
took a week's vacation time from my job and I absolutely refuse to be
treated like trash just for a freakin' bike race. So after a heated
"team meeting" where I'm the target for all their frustrations and they
just lay it all on me, I blow up and it is decided that I'm going home
and not finishing the race if I can't just unquestioningly follow their
orders. I figure even if I do, I will manage to do it wrong somehow
because nothing I do will ever please these women. So I pay the extra
$250 to get a cab to the airport while they go to race and soon enough I
am home and much happier with cat, husband and house.
It was just a doomed relationship from the get-go. I'm sure these women
will do fine this year as a team, they seem like they have some talent
and they get tons of support. Perhaps it was just bad chemistry, but I
certainly don't regret anything I did. Maybe I wasn't a good team player
in that situation, but I know in my heart that I am a good teammate. I
just am not used to being ordered around like I'm some third-class
citizen and being treated with zero respect. It just pisses me off.
--
pedalchick
girls. Kicked ass she did. Congrats on a fine performance woman!
--
Callistus Valerius
> You know...I was thinking about Jeanson and her bad days coinciding with
her...ahhh well forget
> it...
> Dave
>
Sierraman
"pedalchick" <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:B%J9c.39361$ff.3...@fe05.usenetserver.com...
That's quite a story! At least you are a good climber. Good women climbers
are few and far between.
h squared
pedalchick wrote:
>
> H Squared wrote:
>
> > ps. i would check for your rack obsessed gf too, but anonymous posters
> > get no rbr glory.
>
> If you're referring to me, I wouldn't consider myself rack-obsessed.
> Really, I just would rather see jugs than read senseless suppositions
> about the Tour de France... but you're entitled to your views.
but you knew it was you i was thinking of, so i reached my goal. plus i
wanted to tease bj. but anyhow, if i had known that things had been so
awful at redlands for you i wouldn't have made the joke. sorry.
and i'm sorry you had such a crappy race (team mate wise). i've never
been on a team, so i would be talking out my ass (even more than usual)
if i started making comments on your story, interesting as it was.
hh
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
> Are you doing STP again this year?
well, bruce, what this has to do with redlands, i don't know. but i'm 35
years old and i didn't train a lick in october, november, december or
january. it would be fun, but i don't know if i can pull it together in
time.
(funny thing though- today i did a short thing on mercer island down
thru the renton airport, and a cyclist told me i was "brave" to be
skating there. i had to bite my tongue over that.)
ok, that's answered, and now i would much rather read things like
pedalchick's race report than talk about this anymore. sorry bj.
hh
h squared
pedalchick wrote:
>
> I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity
sorry, one more thing- will you post under your real name now, or do you
want to keep it secret?
heather
Howard Kveck
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity in order to
> tell a story that probably shouldn't be told, but I feel the need to get
> it out into the ether and off my back since I will have no opportunity to
> resolve the problem otherwise. It's really long, and I apologize. ButI
> want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line? I certainly paid for it if
> I was...I joined a team for Redlands as a guest.
Maybe it's just me, but what you described seems pretty shortsighted on
the part of that team. It looks like they were more interested in their own
personal results and following an established team pecking order. Isn't
part of why a team like that exists to get the sponsors name out? You were
carrying the sponsor's name closer to the front than any of the rest of
them, it seems like they ought to have appreciated that. Plus it sounds
like they couldn't think on their feet. "We have an established game plan,
and we're sticking to it, no matter if it makes us go backwards".
How'd you end up getting hooked up with them in the first place?
--
tanx,
Howard
Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Robert Chung
> I want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line?
Maybe a little but not way; however, we've only heard your version and, as
my mother-out-law used to say, no matter how thin the pancake it still has
two sides. What'd'ja think Victor Hugo Pena shoulda done while he was
wearing yellow last year?
That said, teams have a tricky dynamic (especially that one, it seems;
you've given us more than enough clues to figure it out) and my experience
is that if you go through life getting along with every member of every
team you've been with, you're not trying hard enough; and I'm not just
talking about cycling teams. Sometimes, figuring out when to walk away is
the toughest decision you can make. Other times, it's pretty easy. Did you
make the right decision to walk away? I don't know, but it sounds like
they made it pretty easy.
BTW: asking rbr what it thinks? Hmmm. I'd worry more about what that says
about you than the Redlands incident.
Robert Chung
Whether she posts under her real name or not, it's no longer secret.
h squared
Robert Chung wrote:
>
> Whether she posts under her real name or not, it's no longer secret.
ok, of course not to you, but it may be to people who are too lazy to
try to figure it out, or to people who think they figured it out but are
wrong, or to people in the future who come here and have never read that
post, or to people who only read scattered posts and miss that one. and
the other thing is not everyone wants their real name connected with
this place. even i wanted to stop posting with "halvorson" in my name.
hh
Robert Chung
> and the other thing is not everyone wants their real name connected
> with this place.
Completely understandable. I use the pseudonym "Robert Chung" because I'm
trying to keep my real name, Henry Chang, from being connected with this
place.
Steven L. Sheffield
squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I came up with 3 different names that fit the bill, but narrowed it further
using other resources ...
But my suppositions could still be wrong, as could yours RC.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
pedalchick
> BTW: asking rbr what it thinks? Hmmm. I'd worry more about what that
> says about you than the Redlands incident.
God, you're right. I'm such a loser! Yeah, I don't care much if people
know who I am if they want to bother digging through the results. But,
I'll decline to identify myself in this thread, thanks. I'm just happy
to come home to my own team so I can race with people who care but don't
give a sh&t, if you know what I mean.
--
kaiser
I don't understand why you bailed on the race. Can a team director
forcibly "un-register" one of their riders? Sounds to me like they
all, uh, SUCK, and that you were the only one who showed-up with even
a decent amount of fitness. I would have just said fuck em, and worn
their crappy jersey the rest of the race, and just did an
in-duh-vidual effort from then on.
Then I would have ridden up to that chick that tried to crash you, and
pulled her shorts down over the back of her saddle as she was
approaching the next climb (heh heh). Your best revenge would have
been to win a stage without them, and showing up on the victory stand
wearing only a t-shirt (a tight, wet one, of course).
;-)
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<B%J9c.39361$ff.3...@fe05.usenetserver.com>...
Bob Schwartz
> Your best revenge would have been to win a stage without them
That would be the Alexi Grewal approach. I believe one of his final appearances in a 7-11
jersey (if not THE final appearance) was a race in Colorado that he won. He pulled his
jersey up as he crossed the line so that 7-11 wouldn't appear in the pictures.
Bob Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
Mark Fennell
>
> tell a story that probably shouldn't be told, but I feel the need to get
> it out into the ether and off my back since I will have no opportunity
> to resolve the problem otherwise. It's really long, and I apologize. But
> I want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line? I certainly paid for it
> if I was...
>
I had wondered why you DNS'ed after going so well earlier. Sorry the
team dynamics ruined your experience, but your poignant story was
great--thanks for writing it.
You were probably just venting and your questions were rhetorical, and
as Robert said, WTF are you asking rbr for anyway, but I'll still
throw out some opinions...
First of all, The Screamer obviously had issues with handling the
pressure of a big race, and she probably has no business being in a
leadership role. And your director failed to keep things calm, one of
his/her primary duties.
But to me the real issue is this: why was your adopted team so fixated
on protecting a gc leader and a sprinter when it seems they had
minimal chance of even coming close to being in the money, other than
perhaps you (who they had apparently decided not to support anyway)?
What was the plan, helping your leader get top 50 on gc? And helping
the sprinter get top 30 in the crit? Why? Why do lower-level teams try
to act like high-powered teams with all their various roles and
responsibilities when there is really no point? I'm not saying you
should ride selfishly and shouldn't try to help each other when you
can, particularly if someone has a mishap, but do your really want to
sacrifice yourself completely for someone so she can get 49th place
instead of 79th? IMO, in a big race like Redlands, there should be no
pecking order in a team if everyone on the team is in the, say, 40th
to 100th place range on gc.
Mark
B. Lafferty
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:<B%J9c.39361$ff.3...@fe05.usenetserver.com>...
> > I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity in order to
> > tell a story that probably shouldn't be told, but I feel the need to get
> > it out into the ether and off my back since I will have no opportunity
> > to resolve the problem otherwise. It's really long, and I apologize. But
> > I want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line? I certainly paid for it
> > if I was...
[etc......]
That really sounded like a miserable situation. It also seemed that you had
a very good understanding and perspective of what the race dynamics were.
Your actions were reasonable as opposed to the Screamer and company. Maybe
if you had fed them some Ess A Bagels they would have mellowed out. If not
they would have tested positive for opiates from the poppy seeds and then
they would have had something to really scream about. :-)
Dan Connelly
Time difference: 2004 - 2003, in prologue:
rider seconds
Laura_Downey........ -43.8
Laura_Weislo........ -35.6
Shawn_Heidgen....... -35.5
Kristin_Armstrong... -25.2
Hiroko_Shimada...... -25
Elizabeth_Morse..... -17.3
Sandy_Espeseth...... -16.5
Gabriela_Gonzales De -15.3
Rhonda_Quick........ -13.3
Helen_Kelly......... -9.3
Rachel_Massey....... -8.9
Kirsten_Kotval...... -7.4
Renee_Eastman....... -6.9
Lisa_Matlock........ -4.3
Mari_Holden......... -2.5
Becky_Broeder....... -2.2
Karen_Dodge......... 5.2
Kim_Anderson........ 11.3
Karen_Bockel........ 12.9
Anne_Samplonius..... 14.5
Genevieve_Jeanson... 14.7
Julia_Whiteside..... 16.5
Lyne_Bessette....... 19.6
Erin_Carter......... 21.7
Nicole_Brandt....... 26.8
Susan_Haywood....... 27.5
Julie_Emmerman...... 27.5
Gina_Grain.......... 31.6
Sierraman
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
news:TP_9c.30311$%%1.2...@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
Humm... narrows to three.
Dan Connelly
> Humm... narrows to three.
>
>
Three? One.
Dan
pedalchick
Decent bagels might have helped. Actually, I got pulled for random after
the prologue. I have to say, I had a full on UCI experience: my bike
almost failed before the TT (were it not for the Mavic dude for advising
me to push my butt back all the way on the saddle when they checked my
knee over pedal, I wouldn't have started). I got called for random and
had to spend a full hour after my TT in the camper trying to pee in a
cup, pouring my own urine into bottles and trying not to spill it all
over. Gross.
I was quite relieved to see that Claritin I took the day before on the
list of allowed drugs. Now we'll find out if all those vitamins I've
been taking are contaminated or not, I guess. If the results come Fed
Ex, I'm in deep ****.
--
Sierraman
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
>
> > Humm... narrows to three.
> >
> >
>
> Three? One.
>
> Dan
Ok, got it, but didn't want to say one. Pedalchick didn't want her cover
completely blown.
Sierraman
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message
>
> > Humm... narrows to three.
> >
> >
>
> Three? One.
>
> Dan
Some entertainment, Pedalchick bout was obviously more heated then this.
3 megs
Sierraman
"h squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:406785D5...@hotmail.com...
You are the RBR STP queen. Pedalchick is cool, where is Cathy Borland, our
senior RBR member? Never mind, she is probaby repairing the fences for her
cats. I lost 6 cats this year to coyotes. Pedalchick is not my GF but she is
cool. I like Fabi now as we have been talking via emails. She's a fighter,
and I do forgive her for her one time supposed drug fiasco.
Kyle Legate
>> Humm... narrows to three.
>>
>>
>
> Three? One.
>
on GC after the prologue. You must consider _all_ the information.
Dan Connelly
Right. I had assumed all information was reliable. But even without that assumption,
it doesn't take much to isolate.
Dan
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
> Pedalchick is not my GF but she is
> cool.
don't even worry about that. i'm a teaser, thru and thru. i mostly end
up regretting it but sometimes it can have interesting results.
bye,
hh
h squared
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> Time difference: 2004 - 2003, in prologue:
am i the only person who looked at the results for stage two first thing?
heather
Fake name goes here
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:pedalchick&num=100&hl=en&lr=lang
_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&filter=0
it would be bad karma to post your name, address, phone, work email,
website...etc etc.
Howard Kveck
Fake name goes here
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity...
Your very first usenet post in 1994:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=347a97%249l0%40news.duke.edu&oe=UTF-8&o
utput=gplain
scary huh?
Carl Sundquist
"Bob Schwartz" <cv...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:106ggio...@corp.supernews.com...
IIRC, it was the Wheat Thins race in the Garden of the Gods and he grabbed
his jersey at the zipper and tore it in half as he crossed the line.
Steven L. Sheffield
squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nope ... I compared the non-starters in Stage 2 to the finishers in Stage 1
... Then went looking for highest placed on prologue GC, which narrowed it
to 3, eliminated one of the three for being a foreign rider.
Then I consulted an oracle, decided every word means no, did some Google
searches, decided to wait until Easter and did a .NET comparison, hit a bell
with a bat at Emory ... Then made passing references to internet porn with
the peckledoggy.
Bob Schwartz
> Right. I had assumed all information was reliable. But even without that assumption,
> it doesn't take much to isolate.
If I had to make a wild-ass guess it would be the person that lists
climbing and time trialing as strengths on her web page.
But that's just a wild-ass guess.
Bob Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
Stewart Fleming
I think the answer is: No, your ASP.Net app is not secure enough...
Robert Chung
> I like Fabi now as we have been talking via emails.
I understand Luperini has sent this message to van Moorsel:
"Leontien:
I found your stalker. Can you take him back?"
Suz
> PS, Suz did freakin' awesome! she was totally rockin' it with the big
> girls. Kicked ass she did. Congrats on a fine performance woman!
>
>
> --
>
Hey! I just saw this. Thanks! Unfortunately, I blew it in stage 5; hung
on to the lead pack for 7 out of the 8 laps; halfway through lap 7, they
kicked it up a notch on the descent, I was too close to the back, and got
popped; was fighting my way back, and was almost there, when we hit the KOM
climb on lap 8; they kicked it up another notch, and I had to wave goodbye,
Mavic guys yelling encouragement at me to no avail. Somehow I managed to
lose >3 more minutes before the finish line and my GC went from 24th to
36th. It's my own damn fault for riding most of the race from the back of
the pack, but it was so f'#*n' hard, 90 degrees, with all those ups, downs,
and crazy turns, it was like a freakin' rollercoaster. Even still, I can't
believe I let that happen, 20 minutes before the end of the last race! Oh
well, live and learn.
One interesting side note, Ms. Jeanson herself seemed to be suffering a bit.
She was actually in the back next to me, or even behind me a few times up
the KOM hill. I don't think she was on a little joyride back there either,
her 2 or 3 teammates that were still there kept coming back to see what was
going on, but she told them to go back up front, and she eventually got
herself back in. At least she didn't get shelled like me!
Sorry you had such a crappy experience, dude. Too bad you couldn't switch
to our team. I was also leading my team in GC, and they were pretty cool
about it, even though I'm a part-timer with them. They did ask me one time
if I could go get bottles from the caravan, and I was wondering "why me",
but it was no big deal. I needed to learn how to do that anyway, (it was my
first time) and they were so proud of me that I made it back up w/o crashing
or anything, they didn't even complain that I dropped one of the bottles.
Suz
Suz
"> That's quite a story! At least you are a good climber. Good women
climbers
> are few and far between.
>
>
wtf ???
Sierraman
"Suz" <suzw...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:gJedna6-p-Z...@comcast.com...
On a good day Jeanson would demolish the field on the climbs. Redlands isn't
Jeanson biggest race, probably more like training to come to form early in
the season. Bessette who is also a good climber is also from Canada. Who in
the USA can climb for the top women? Russia has a good climber in Olga
Zabelinskaia . Italy has Luperini. The Swiss have Nicole Brändli. Spain has
Joane Somarriba. Edita and Rasa aren't bad for Ltu. Who does we have of any
consistent notability?
Sierraman
"Robert Chung" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I like Olga Zabelinskaia too.
Howard Kveck
wrote:
So you're an equal opportunity annoyer, then? (heh...)
pedalchick
Two words: restraining order.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
8Xdac.93257$3Y1....@fe09.usenetserver.com, "pedalchick"
<usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> Steven L. Sheff wrote:
>> On 03/29/2004 04:15 PM, in article 4068AE2E...@hotmail.com, "h
>> squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Time difference: 2004 - 2003, in prologue:
>>>
>>>
>>> am i the only person who looked at the results for stage two
>>> first thing?
>>>
>>> heather
>>
>>
>> Nope ... I compared the non-starters in Stage 2 to the finishers in
>> Stage 1 ... Then went looking for highest placed on prologue GC, which
>> narrowed it to 3, eliminated one of the three for being a foreign rider.
>> Then I consulted an oracle, decided every word means no, did some Google
>> searches, decided to wait until Easter and did a .NET comparison, hit a
>> bell with a bat at Emory ... Then made passing references to internet
>> porn with the peckledoggy.
>
>
>
> Two words: restraining order.
You needn't worry. I'm not Bruce "Sierraman" Johnston.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
Robert Chung
> "pedalchick" wrote:
>>
>> Two words: restraining order.
>
> You needn't worry.
Isn't that exactly what a stalker would say?
h squared
pedalchick wrote:
>
> Steven L. Sheff wrote:
> > Nope ... I compared the non-starters in Stage 2 to the finishers in
> > Stage 1 ... Then went looking for highest placed on prologue GC, which
> > narrowed it to 3, eliminated one of the three for being a foreign rider.
> > Then I consulted an oracle, decided every word means no, did some Google
> > searches, decided to wait until Easter and did a .NET comparison, hit a
> > bell with a bat at Emory ... Then made passing references to internet
> > porn with the peckledoggy.
>
> Two words: restraining order.
no one said that rbr glory would be pretty.
h
h squared
Suz wrote:
> Somehow I managed to
> lose >3 more minutes before the finish line and my GC went from 24th to
> 36th. It's my own damn fault for riding most of the race from the back of
> the pack, but it was so f'#*n' hard, 90 degrees, with all those ups, downs,
> and crazy turns, it was like a freakin' rollercoaster. Even still, I can't
> believe I let that happen, 20 minutes before the end of the last race! Oh
> well, live and learn.
were any of your team around to help you get back on?
i know you probably regret that final lap, but screw it. you had a great race.
heather
Sierraman
"Steven L. Sheffield" <ste...@veloworks.com> wrote in message
news:BC8EC37A.29A77%ste...@veloworks.com...
> On 03/30/2004 05:42 AM, in article
> 8Xdac.93257$3Y1....@fe09.usenetserver.com, "pedalchick"
> <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>
> > Steven L. Sheff wrote:
> >> On 03/29/2004 04:15 PM, in article 4068AE2E...@hotmail.com, "h
> >> squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dan Connelly wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Time difference: 2004 - 2003, in prologue:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> am i the only person who looked at the results for stage two
> >>> first thing?
> >>>
> >>> heather
> >>
> >>
> >> Nope ... I compared the non-starters in Stage 2 to the finishers in
> >> Stage 1 ... Then went looking for highest placed on prologue GC, which
> >> narrowed it to 3, eliminated one of the three for being a foreign
rider.
> >> Then I consulted an oracle, decided every word means no, did some
> >> searches, decided to wait until Easter and did a .NET comparison, hit a
> >> bell with a bat at Emory ... Then made passing references to internet
> >> porn with the peckledoggy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two words: restraining order.
>
>
>
> You needn't worry. I'm not Bruce "Sierraman" Johnston.
I used to think Henry was the biggest stalker on RBR, but you just won an
award for stalker research. I used to think you were a no nonsense kind of
guy but you just proved yourself. Robert does a bit of stalking around here
two. I guess you been taking a cue from him. Enjoy guys if that punches your
clocks.
pedalchick
member of my temp team. That last stage is the real kicker, because it
is twisty and turny and you really have to fight for position and have
good concentration - something that is exceedingly difficult to maintain
after 6 days of racing.
As for the rest of the folks posting to this thread, I see that the
movie "Office Space" was not too far off the mark - it's apparent that
people really *do* only do about 20 minutes of REAL work during the
week. Stop dragging down the GDP, kids, and get back at it. Either that
or the threads about Lance, the Tour, and doping are getting so old and
boring that the mystery and intrigue surrounding my former anonymity so
titillated the masses that they were inspired to do crazy things like a
subtractive analysis of prologue times from 2003 to 2004...
Get back to work and stop snooping into my old usenet posts. That's
just creepy.
--
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
> I used to think Henry was the biggest stalker on RBR
why did you think that?
heather
B. Lafferty
"Play is children's work."--Piaget
Suz
"h squared" <peckledoggyr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:406992B6...@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Suz wrote:
> > Somehow I managed to
> > lose >3 more minutes before the finish line and my GC went from 24th to
> > 36th. It's my own damn fault for riding most of the race from the back
of
> > the pack, but it was so f'#*n' hard, 90 degrees, with all those ups,
downs,
> > and crazy turns, it was like a freakin' rollercoaster. Even still, I
can't
> > believe I let that happen, 20 minutes before the end of the last race!
Oh
> > well, live and learn.
>
> were any of your team around to help you get back on?
>
Errr, no, I had been on my own for quite awhile. The pack seperated on the
first KOM, and I was the only one who made the first group. Of the other
two, one is more of a sprinter, and the other is an okay climber but I guess
was tired.
My team had a run of bad luck in stage 1 and 2. Stage 1, 3 of them had
flats, 2 at almost the same time, and the one who didn't have a flat went
back to help. The one she went to help had shifting problems (she got a 9
spd spare for her 10 spd bike) and neither of them really made it back on,
finishing well behind. In stage 2, one crashed pretty badly, but finished
anyway, right in front of the broom wagon, one had some mechanical issues
and got spooked in the caravan on a twisty descent, and got dropped. Sadly,
neither made the time cut.
I could have had better gearing for stage 1 and 2, but was otherwise fairly
lucky, no major mishaps.
Suz
Bob Schwartz
The essence of rbr in only three words. A remarkable combination of
elegance, brevity and insight.
It is no wonder you have fans here.
Bob Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
Benjamin Weiner
> As for the rest of the folks posting to this thread, I see that the
> movie "Office Space" was not too far off the mark - it's apparent that
> people really *do* only do about 20 minutes of REAL work during the
> week. Stop dragging down the GDP, kids, and get back at it. Either that
> or the threads about Lance, the Tour, and doping are getting so old and
> boring that the mystery and intrigue surrounding my former anonymity so
> titillated the masses that they were inspired to do crazy things like a
> subtractive analysis of prologue times from 2003 to 2004...
> Get back to work and stop snooping into my old usenet posts. That's
> just creepy.
It took you this long to realize RBR is made up of creepy
people with nothing better to do??? I do feel digging up
a full history of usenet posts is a little beyond our usual
community standards, though.
Thanks for writing the report. As regards anonymity, I'm
taking the hide-in-plain-sight approach. Maybe if I post
enough drivel to Usenet, no one will be able to to find the
really embarrassing stuff.
Ben
posting from work again
h squared
Suz wrote:
>
> Errr, no, I had been on my own for quite awhile. The pack seperated on the
> first KOM, and I was the only one who made the first group. Of the other
> two, one is more of a sprinter, and the other is an okay climber but I guess
> was tired.
>
> My team had a run of bad luck in stage 1 and 2. Stage 1, 3 of them had
> flats, 2 at almost the same time, and the one who didn't have a flat went
> back to help. The one she went to help had shifting problems (she got a 9
> spd spare for her 10 spd bike) and neither of them really made it back on,
> finishing well behind. In stage 2, one crashed pretty badly, but finished
> anyway, right in front of the broom wagon, one had some mechanical issues
> and got spooked in the caravan on a twisty descent, and got dropped. Sadly,
> neither made the time cut.
that is sad. getting eliminated because of mechanicals and crashing
isn't a very satisfying way to end a race :( even being the bitch that i
am, i can't feel annoyed with them after hearing that story.
heather
(just please don't destroy my fantasy that the cheering mavic guys were
all really cute)
Steven L. Sheffield
"Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net> wrote:
At least I didn't dig up her very first post to a USENET newsgroup.
Now THAT's scary.
Sierraman
Well, neither did I. If you think I did then you better go back and recheck
the posts. I did no research on Pedalchick, nor would I want to. Lot of
rbr's enjoy googleing for old dirt, I've looked up stuff before but not to
degrade anyone. I ran into interesting posts from way back from Cathy
Borland, but that was while searching for info on cycling. I think probably
Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted one of Stellar's
rants. I may of made reference to Cathy as being the oldest rbr member but I
certainly don't repost dirt like some do here.
BTW, it's not that hard to find any of the oldest posts on any subject since
one click of the mouse will sort Google in reverse order of the oldest posts
first. How hard or scary would that be? There is a lot of needless character
assassination that goes on in RBR, comes with the territory I suppose. Some
people have nothing better to do then sowing discord and being cynical.
Sierraman
I agree with you on the Lance threads. The obsession with another man by
other men to me smacks of queers. Even if he is the best, I rather have a
photo op at the Grand Prix, SF, with Nicole then with Lance. You guys can
have him. I like the girls! To me the cycling obsession by men with other
men is both creepy and scary!
Howard Kveck
wrote:
> I think probably Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted
> one of Stellar's rants.
If it's the Stella Hackell post (a rather stellar post indeed) I think
you're referring to, it probably didn't take a lot of digging. That post
was only from mid 2001 and contained a few things that would make it stand
out and be memorable.
Robert Chung
> At least I didn't [...]
Robert Chung
>
> that is sad. getting eliminated because of mechanicals and crashing
> isn't a very satisfying way to end a race :( even being the bitch that i
> am, i can't feel annoyed with them after hearing that story.
You were annoyed with Suz's team?
Tom Kunich
news:WJednZB34Nu...@sti.net...
>
> Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted one of Stellar's
> rants. I may of made reference to Cathy as being the oldest rbr member but
I
> certainly don't repost dirt like some do here.
I'm not sure but if Jobst isn't the longest term poster I might be.
Stewart Fleming
I can find refs for Jobst's back to 1985; I only go back to 1988, maybe
1986 if I could remember early aliases.
Before 1990 or thereabouts you have to search in rec.bicycles :-)
Bob Schwartz
> I'm not sure but if Jobst isn't the longest term poster I might be.
Les Earnest is the longest term poster, and by a wide margin.
I wrote my first post to rec.bicycles in the fall of 1987. Google
doesn't go that far back in that newsgroup, so I can't verify
the date.
Not that I'm bragging or anything. As I think about it, its kind
of creepy. There's that word again. Creepy.
Bob 'Creepy' Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
Steven L. Sheffield
"Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net> wrote:
>> At least I didn't dig up her very first post to a USENET newsgroup.
>>
>> Now THAT's scary.
>
> Well, neither did I. If you think I did then you better go back and recheck
> the posts.
Sorry ... Didn't mean to imply that you did ... Was just commenting in
general.
> BTW, it's not that hard to find any of the oldest posts on any subject since
> one click of the mouse will sort Google in reverse order of the oldest posts
> first. How hard or scary would that be? There is a lot of needless character
> assassination that goes on in RBR, comes with the territory I suppose. Some
> people have nothing better to do then sowing discord and being cynical.
Hmmm ... Oldest posts of mine that I can find are from January 1987, to
comp.unix.questions ... I posted a termcap entry for a VT220 and commented
on flaming other users.
Sierraman
"Howard Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-E64F3...@netnews.comcast.net...
> In article <WJednZB34Nu...@sti.net>, "Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I think probably Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted
> > one of Stellar's rants.
>
> If it's the Stella Hackell post (a rather stellar post indeed) I think
> you're referring to, it probably didn't take a lot of digging. That post
> was only from mid 2001 and contained a few things that would make it stand
> out and be memorable.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3cey3
Yup, that was bad. I can't believe those words came out of her mouth, or
rather from her brain down to her fingers, keyboard then into cyberspace. I
think there is a photo of Stella on the net somewhere, that from what I can
recall she is quite a cute looking girl. Hard to believe, girls just aren't
as wholesome as they used to be I guess.
Suz
"pedalchick" <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> member of my temp team.
Yeah, I pulled her up the rest of the climb. She seemed okay. Not that we
had much time for talking, but we chatted a little after the race. I didn't
realize it was your team or I would have asked her what happened to you.
Now I'm glad I didn't!
That last stage is the real kicker, because it
> is twisty and turny and you really have to fight for position and have
> good concentration - something that is exceedingly difficult to maintain
> after 6 days of racing.
>
Yeah, I was having some serious shifting problems too, (my left shifter is
now toast) which may have interfered a bit with my concentration, but I
really don't think i can blame it on that, much as I would like to. It was
definitely the lack of good positioning skills that did me in. I've never
had to worry about that much in local races.
>
> Get back to work and stop snooping into my old usenet posts. That's
> just creepy.
>
Thank god they don't find ME fascinating enough to dig up old posts. They
would probably find something like "Is it okay to race with a Camelbak?"
Suz
>
> --
>
>
Howard Kveck
wrote:
> "Howard Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-E64F3...@netnews.comcast.net...
> > In article <WJednZB34Nu...@sti.net>, "Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think probably Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted
> > > one of Stellar's rants.
> >
> > If it's the Stella Hackell post (a rather stellar post indeed) I think
> > you're referring to, it probably didn't take a lot of digging. That post
> > was only from mid 2001 and contained a few things that would make it stand
> > out and be memorable.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3cey3
>
> Yup, that was bad. I can't believe those words came out of her mouth, or
> rather from her brain down to her fingers, keyboard then into cyberspace. I
> think there is a photo of Stella on the net somewhere, that from what I can
> recall she is quite a cute looking girl. Hard to believe, girls just aren't
> as wholesome as they used to be I guess.
I can believe she typed that post. Sometimes (often?) people get a
certain expectation of how someone will behave based on their appearance,
and when that expectation is not met, shock ensues (relatively speaking).
As for wholesomeness, that may have changed for men and women, but I think
that women are more willing (in certain circumstances) than they may have
been in the past to express what they've been thinking all along. Usenet is
good for providing those circumstances.
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
> Chung takes the prize for Google dirt when he posted one of Stellar's
> rants.
remembering people's old posts is not stalking, its called paying
attention. (looking up someone's old posts and posting them to try to
frighten them is another thing altogether)
jmo,
heather
h squared
not at all. if they had been up there with her but didn't try to help
her regain the group, then i would have been annoyed.
h
h squared
Suz wrote:
>
> Thank god they don't find ME fascinating enough to dig up old posts. They
> would probably find something like "Is it okay to race with a Camelbak?"
nah, you just had a helmet obsession.
generalizing, i would think the most "embarrassing" thing for anyone
about having someone dig up their old posts wouldn't so much be the
subject but rather how earnest and nice the posts are.
heather
Sierraman
Agreed, digging up old dirt is not stalking. You still haven't figured it
out.
>
> jmo,
> heather
Tom Kunich
news:106kl25...@corp.supernews.com...
Yeah, I started somewhere around '87 myself.
Miller
to read this dribble)! What's next? Pulling the wings off flies?
M
Sierraman
"Howard Kveck" <YOURh...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
Then if RBR is the good ole boys club, what kind of girls post to RBR based
on your evaluation? Is it limited to a certain mindset - ? - or do they just
have more balls, which wouldn't necessarily mean that girls with better
values wouldn't post here. That said, RBR is not for the timid compared to
the much less heated counterparts related to cycling in usenet.
cipo_chick
>$250 to get a cab to the airport while they go to race and soon
enough I
>am home and much happier with cat, husband and house.
Geez, Pedalchick...if this happens again, call me. You could have
stayed at my house, or at the very least, I would have taken you to
the airport for $125.00. :-)
pedalchick <usenet...@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<B%J9c.39361$ff.3...@fe05.usenetserver.com>...
> H Squared wrote:
> > can't answer your question, but i see that weldon is 24th after stage 4.
> > hopefully she'll post about the race after she gets back.
> > heather
> > ps. i would check for your rack obsessed gf too, but anonymous posters
> > get no rbr glory.
>
>
>
> If you're referring to me, I wouldn't consider myself rack-obsessed.
> Really, I just would rather see jugs than read senseless suppositions
> about the Tour de France... but you're entitled to your views.
>
> I'll take this opportunity to possibly give away my identity in order to
> tell a story that probably shouldn't be told, but I feel the need to get
> it out into the ether and off my back since I will have no opportunity
> to resolve the problem otherwise. It's really long, and I apologize. But
> I want to hear the truth. Was I way out of line? I certainly paid for it
> if I was...
>
> I joined a team for Redlands as a guest. I didn't know at all what I
> would be riding for - I assumed they would want my absolute best
> performance. I thought I'd be going to RACE. So I trained my ass off all
> winter. I worked extra super hard, knowing that I'd have a team that
> might not be happy with someone struggling in with the gruppetto for
> 80th place every day. I figured my only chance for personal glory would
> be the prologue, so I wanted to ride well that day. I had heard the
> women I was staying with were notoriously late all the time, so I stated
> firmly that I would like to arrive at the course at least 2 hours before
> my start, and that would be the only thing I would ask for. This was met
> with resistance, since their director didn't want them hanging around
> all that time, and insisted that they only needed a 30 minute warmup.
> they basically told me, you're a guest, you don't have a say. You do
> what we want you to do.
>
> Regardless, they ended up leaving extra time for traffic and there was
> none, so I got what I wanted, got there early and got a good warmup and
> proceeded to have the best race of my life to date. I took over 40
> seconds of last year's time and while I was out of the money on the
> stage, I was up there with some big names - I was really pleased.
>
> I told the team that as a guest, I didn't expect them to ride for me.
> What I didn't expect was that I would be lowest on the totem pole even
> though I was top of the team on the GC, if only by a handful of
> seconds... the next day in the Crestline race, I was given the duty of
> leading out the sprinter for the bonus sprint. Fine, I was nervous about
> getting to the front as I am notoriously bad at moving through the pack,
> but I said I'd do my best. I had also been given the role of protecting
> the team GC leader.
>
> The roll-out was exceedingly nervous. I was terrified. 140 women,
> tailwind, roads with cracks and reflectors and medians. I was just
> trying to get into a good position and not get killed, and I have to
> admit I completely forgot about the rest of the team, I was that freaked
> out. After a few miles, I was forcefully reminded of them when I was
> pedalling along on the left side of the pack and one girl from my "team"
> came crashing into my bars from the left side, nearly knocking me down
> into our GC hopeful. I managed to keep my bike upright, but was pretty
> freaked out.
>
> I recoverd, got out into the wind to pull our GC hopeful up to the front
> to keep her safe. Attacks were flying, and the pace was high. We were
> getting squeezed constantly with medians and oncoming traffic. Finally,
> we took a left turn and I had to brake to avoid a median and got pushed
> to the back. The QOM was coming up, and I had to haul ass to get back up
> to the front over the top, risking life and limb to move up for the
> sprint point on the descent. I looked around a bit for the sprinter, but
> I had been told it was her reponsibility to find me at the front, so I
> was simply concerning myself with getting back up to the front.
>
> With two miles to go to the sprint, I radioed for the sprinter to find
> out where she was. I couldn't hear jack on the stupid thing. I was AT
> the front. Looking around. Nobody. Then the one who tried to crash me
> earlier screams at me that the sprinter has a flat, and I need to go
> back and get her.
>
> Now, I am a climber. I thought I'd be protecting our GC rider, and with
> the stage ending on a big mountain, I thought it very odd and rather
> strategically wrong to send me (someone who is small and not great in
> the cross headwind we were experiencing) to go back for a sprinter when
> the only sprint bonus of the day had passed. But, with all the screaming
> this woman was doing at me, I soft pedaled to filter back. She screamed
> at me to go back faster. Not wanting to jam on the brakes to do it, I
> kept soft pedaling.
>
> I spent the next 25 miles on the back of the pack and in the caravan
> radioing to the sprinter who apparently had a broken microphone and
> couldn't respond. I saw at least a half dozen women in that time who had
> either crashed or flatted chase back on and move up past me. No sign of
> my sprinter. For all I knew, she had climbed into the car and gone home.
> I wasn't about to get behind the caravan and spend all day chasing for
> nothing. I guess that's the sacrifice you are supposed to make for a
> team, but they weren't really my team. They didn't pay my way out. They
> weren't going to give me any support if I flatted, and ****, I had just
> had the best TT of my life, my form was hot and I wanted to be in the
> pack for the final climb, dammit.
>
> So I gave up on the sprinter after the feed zone, where I was about a
> minute behind the peloton in a small group. I hauled our group up to
> another larger group for a mile or two. I caught my breath, and drove
> that group up (we're entering the caravan now) to yet another group,
> containing the screamer. I ignore her, and drive the crap out of the
> group to the base of the final climb and then drop them.
>
> I'm climbing steady, feeling awesome. I start catching people, and about
> halfway up I find my GC leader and another from the team. The GC leader
> is cramping. I try to pace her up, give her encouragement. It's clear
> she's hurting. I stay with her for the middle third of the climb (I am
> setting what feels like a ridiculously easy pace for me but I keep
> dropping her). Finally, I'm setting a moderate tempo and I look back and
> she's way down the climb and the other woman has left her, too. I then
> figure she's told us to go on and ride, and so I do. I finish a couple
> minutes up, pissed that I had to spend all day at the back of the pack
> in the caravan because I was freakin' flying and could probably have
> placed top 20 or 30 on the stage and moved up in the GC if I had started
> with the leaders. Now we're all below 50th place.
>
> I get screamed at for many minutes after the stage, and everyone is
> really angry with me. I ask another friend for a ride off the mountain,
> because I'm being treated like I just ruined everyone's life.
>
> That evening back at the host-house, nobody is any happier. It's clear
> that if I stay and do the rest of this race, it's going to be one huge
> conflict the entire time. I don't get paid for this crap. I paid my way,
> took a week's vacation time from my job and I absolutely refuse to be
> treated like trash just for a freakin' bike race. So after a heated
> "team meeting" where I'm the target for all their frustrations and they
> just lay it all on me, I blow up and it is decided that I'm going home
> and not finishing the race if I can't just unquestioningly follow their
> orders. I figure even if I do, I will manage to do it wrong somehow
> because nothing I do will ever please these women. So I pay the extra
> $250 to get a cab to the airport while they go to race and soon enough I
> am home and much happier with cat, husband and house.
>
> It was just a doomed relationship from the get-go. I'm sure these women
> will do fine this year as a team, they seem like they have some talent
> and they get tons of support. Perhaps it was just bad chemistry, but I
> certainly don't regret anything I did. Maybe I wasn't a good team player
> in that situation, but I know in my heart that I am a good teammate. I
> just am not used to being ordered around like I'm some third-class
> citizen and being treated with zero respect. It just pisses me off.
>
>
>
> --
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
> Agreed, digging up old dirt is not stalking. You still haven't figured it
> out.
there's something to figure out? why won't you answer my question about
henry? maybe that would help me to get it.
h
pedalchick
> >So I pay the extra $250 to get a cab to the airport while they go to
> >race and soon
> enough I
> >am home and much happier with cat, husband and house.
> Geez, Pedalchick...if this happens again, call me. You could have stayed
> at my house, or at the very least, I would have taken you to the airport
> for $125.00. :-)
I mistyped, it was $50 to get to the airport and $200 fee to change my
ticket. Thieving bastards, those airlines... Trust me, if this ever
happens again I'm going to take up skeet shooting as a sport instead.
--
Carl Sundquist
> ticket. Thieving bastards, those airlines... Trust me, if this ever
> happens again I'm going to take up skeet shooting as a sport instead.
>
You're gonna shoot at airplanes?
Sierraman
I'll let Howard or Gwhite answer it. If not, it's probably too subliminal
for your head. It's great weather out, you should be rolling skating. Great
temps here in the Sierras, I been outside all day. Hey, some good came out
of this. You and Pedalchick are friends now.
Dave
> I mistyped, it was $50 to get to the airport and $200 fee to change my
> ticket. Thieving bastards, those airlines... Trust me, if this ever
> happens again I'm going to take up skeet shooting as a sport instead.
Now I have this image of you in the peloton, shotgun in hand,
picking off the other racers one-by-one. :-)
-=Dave=-
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
>
> I'll let Howard or Gwhite answer it. If not, it's probably too subliminal
> for your head.
chicken
h
Benjamin Weiner
> I agree with you on the Lance threads. The obsession with another man by
> other men to me smacks of queers. Even if he is the best, I rather have a
> photo op at the Grand Prix, SF, with Nicole then with Lance. You guys can
> have him. I like the girls! To me the cycling obsession by men with other
> men is both creepy and scary!
Bruce,
I agree some people in this group have an unhealthy LANCE
obsession. The rest of us are just a bunch of ordinary guys
and the occasional gal who like wearing tight loud-colored Lycra
outfits.
And, judging by the number of links posted to grahamwatson.com,
looking at pictures of guys wearing tight loud-colored Lycra outfits.
Nothing to be ashamed of just because you like hanging out
(virtually) with us, even if gives you that funny tingly
feeling sometimes.
Sierraman
You want this bad don't you? OK...
I think Gwhite put it best once when him and Henry were having a blowout. I
believe he called Henry a stalker. Maybe the ultimate stalker. Lot of guys
like to poke fun with the Lizzy thing you know. Now it's the Fabi thing. Far
from what a real stalker is, but they were having fun pointing the fingers
at me when many of them were the real stalkers as Gwhite suggested with
Henry. Stalking me in a sense with the stalker nonsense. Different was
instead of stalking someone in the raw, like public venues, I believe he was
referring to stalking posters here in RBR. It was probably a reference to
Henry's dumdass steamroller machine that threatened to run over just about
everyone in RBR at one time or another. To me and I agree, that is a really
weird kind of stalker and risky too when you brutalize unknown posters
because of their lack of knowledge. Taking on that many opponents could come
back to haunt you. To me that is stalking on a massive scale and pales in
comparison to rumors or jokes of so called stalkers. When they point fingers
at others and in reality, they are the real stalkers. I think Gwhite did a
great job in his thread with Henry on that occasion. It was one for the
books. For once someone other then Henry was able to get under somebody's
skin without being a stalker themselves. Of course most of the really smart
guys in this group are far about such tactics.
Sierraman
"Benjamin Weiner" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
news:406bb153$1@darkstar...
Well, I am glad someone agrees. I was beginning to think there was nothing
but a bunch of homos running around this newsgroup, of course exaggerating
some but the fact is there are so many different posts about all the men in
the TDF that go into such great detail, next they will be wondering if Lance
wears boxers or briefs. Of course I know the really smart guys in this group
over the years, it's transparent, their input is crucial, and they don't see
it as a either or issue, and it shouldn't be but I just gravitate towards
the women. I understand the men are the best and the drive to stay up with
all the bleeding edge data, but it does surprise me that even the girls here
don't even seem to have that much knowledge or interest in the worlds best
top women. At least if they do, they rarely talk about it. I saw the Grande
Boucle and I can state that probably very few Americans have seen it. I can
tell you it was every bit as interesting and cool to watch as the men. You
can disagree but then we are back to the gender thing. Of course I am not
saying everyone is queer but I can tell you I much rather watch the
backsides of women climbing the slopes of Nevada City then I would the men.
It's just natural. I think I read a article one time about how beautiful
women cyclists are in a race. It's poetry in motion, just not as fast, and
if your mind is just set on speed then you missed the whole point of
watching women race. In fact if you don't focus on speed then it's every bit
as fun to watch the women, fight, and spit and sweat, and bleed and cry and
everything else we see in the men's races. I think if you saw Olga
Zabelinskaia from Russia or Fabi, even Brandli and Joanne, you would be
impressed with their skills. Women's cycling is a whole nother world and
it's quite interesting.
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
> I think Gwhite put it best once when him and Henry were having a blowout. I
> believe he called Henry a stalker. Maybe the ultimate stalker. Lot of guys
> like to poke fun with the Lizzy thing you know. Now it's the Fabi thing. Far
> from what a real stalker is, but they were having fun pointing the fingers
> at me when many of them were the real stalkers as Gwhite suggested with
> Henry. Stalking me in a sense with the stalker nonsense. Different was
> instead of stalking someone in the raw, like public venues, I believe he was
> referring to stalking posters here in RBR. It was probably a reference to
> Henry's dumdass steamroller machine that threatened to run over just about
> everyone in RBR at one time or another.
you're right, it is too subliminal for my head, but i'm glad you posted.
(i looked for the post you mentioned but couldn't find it. greg- would
you like to clarify?) i think you and i have different definitions of
stalking someone. that's cool, whatever. i'm a little worried about you
reading this group if you're going to remember and fester over all the
times someone did you wrong.
speaking about women's cycling, why are women *supposed* to be more
interested in following it than men are? afaict, people don't think that
women who like basketball should also know about women's basketball, for
example. (or maybe they do and i've missed that too).
carry on,
heather
Sierraman
>
>
> Sierraman wrote:
>
> > I think Gwhite put it best once when him and Henry were having a
blowout. I
> > believe he called Henry a stalker. Maybe the ultimate stalker. Lot of
guys
> > like to poke fun with the Lizzy thing you know. Now it's the Fabi thing.
Far
> > from what a real stalker is, but they were having fun pointing the
fingers
> > at me when many of them were the real stalkers as Gwhite suggested with
> > Henry. Stalking me in a sense with the stalker nonsense. Different was
> > instead of stalking someone in the raw, like public venues, I believe he
was
> > referring to stalking posters here in RBR. It was probably a reference
to
> > Henry's dumdass steamroller machine that threatened to run over just
about
> > everyone in RBR at one time or another.
>
> you're right, it is too subliminal for my head, but i'm glad you posted.
> (i looked for the post you mentioned but couldn't find it. greg- would
> you like to clarify?) i think you and i have different definitions of
> stalking someone. that's cool, whatever. i'm a little worried about you
> reading this group if you're going to remember and fester over all the
> times someone did you wrong.
I wouldn't be explaining it to you if you wouldn't of begged for it, but
since you did I tell you. It's actually more of a subliminal joke but in
reality there is a lot of truth to it. I don't lose any sleep over it, but
since certain sub-stalkers bring it up repeatedly, it's gets a little old.
It's hard to forget something that is constantly thrown in your face by
sub-stalkers. I'm just here like you, it's info central for cycling news or
insight you might not find anywhere else. When I post, some of the best info
comes by private emails since I suppose many don't want to talk about women
racers or races in public forums, especially the women cyclists who read but
don't post, just lurkers. A lot of the time I get info from ex-managers of
womens teams. That's cool, but you still have to post to get the info your
looking for. I guess there was no local coverage of the Redlands event.
>
> speaking about women's cycling, why are women *supposed* to be more
> interested in following it than men are? afaict, people don't think that
> women who like basketball should also know about women's basketball, for
> example. (or maybe they do and i've missed that too).
Talking about non women racers, ok, I can understand that. I would think
women racers would be more in touch with women's cycling worldwide.
Especially local, regional and national events. How could women racers not
be informed about these events? That's like someone who mother takes them to
race and all they do is race and their parents manage everything. I can't
believe most women racers don't have much of a clue about what's happening
in women's events. I think they do for the most part.
>
> carry on,
> heather
h squared
Sierraman wrote:
>
> I can't
> believe most women racers don't have much of a clue about what's happening
> in women's events. I think they do for the most part.
sounds reasonable, but you're right. there's not a lot of discussion
about it. at least you get email replies to some of your questions. more
in general, i feel sometimes like the only way to get anything out of
anyone is to antagonize them or to say something dumb so that they want
to correct me. (btw, 90% of the time, my antagonistic dumb remarks are
embarrassingly sincere. not trying to excuse them this way.) even you
wouldn't answer my question until i called you a name i knew no man
would like to hear from a girl.
and i also sadly know all too well that people read this group who could
be writing great posts but for some reason refuse to do so. it's not for
me to tell them what to do, but it's depressing.
heather
Kyle Legate
> "Benjamin Weiner" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
> news:406bb153$1@darkstar...
>> Sierraman <rip...@sti.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with you on the Lance threads. The obsession with another
>>> man by other men to me smacks of queers. Even if he is the best, I
>>> rather have a photo op at the Grand Prix, SF, with Nicole then with
>>> Lance. You guys can have him. I like the girls! To me the cycling
>>> obsession by men with other men is both creepy and scary!
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> I agree some people in this group have an unhealthy LANCE
>> obsession. The rest of us are just a bunch of ordinary guys
>> and the occasional gal who like wearing tight loud-colored Lycra
>> outfits.
>>
>> And, judging by the number of links posted to grahamwatson.com,
>> looking at pictures of guys wearing tight loud-colored Lycra outfits.
>>
>> Nothing to be ashamed of just because you like hanging out
>> (virtually) with us, even if gives you that funny tingly
>> feeling sometimes.
>
> Well, I am glad someone agrees. I was beginning to think there was
> nothing but a bunch of homos running around this newsgroup, of course
> exaggerating some but the fact is there are so many different posts
> about all the men in the TDF that go into such great detail, next
> they will be wondering if Lance wears boxers or briefs.
>
I think your problem, Bruce, is that you draw an inappropriate connection
between cycling and sex, causing you to wonder about someone's sexuality if
they enjoy watching men's racing. It's just a sport, Bruce, not a means to
get your jollys.
Sierraman
"Kyle Legate" <leg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:92cb15ebc95dd900...@news.teranews.com...
I have quite a few cycling videos from over the years, mostly men. In the
past there were no women cycling videos but I did enjoy women races by
attending them in person, mostly local stuff. On the world scene trying to
access media resources is pretty much like the dark ages outside of CN and a
few other websites. You would swear that WCP was run by homos where 100
percent of all the videos are men and not one single production on anyone
female, not even Longo not to mention that TV coverage is nil. It is just a
sport, and I like the TDF too, but the constant fixation with some top pro
men to me seems a little weird, yet if the same is done with women, it's
considered odd like a stalker. I think too many here draw the (inappropriate
connection) when it comes to fans. Not sure about the Jollys, but it is
entertainment for the fans, and I just happen to enjoy the women more. I
understand the macho connection to keep up with the top men, but I have no
such interests. That said, no problem for me until I get attacked for
following women cycling, then I can just point to all guys who are obsessed
with following the men. It's a fair argument or equation, but I guess I
would rather be accused of being a stalker then a queer.
Sierraman
Yes, RBR tends to be very Machiavellian, and often cynically so. Silly in,
silly out. Don't take it too seriously.
gwhite
> I'll let Howard or Gwhite answer it. If not, it's probably too subliminal
> for your head.
Too subliminal for me too, I guess.
Steven L. Sheffield
"Sierraman" <rip...@sti.net> wrote:
> It's a fair argument or equation, but I guess I
> would rather be accused of being a stalker then a queer.
There's a fairly commonly accepted principle that those who are most afraid
of being called gay are actually gay but still in the closet, or afraid to
admit it to themselves.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
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