TT training (followup)
Ed Wagner
7.4 K circuit run counterclockwise with the start to the East. There was a
steady South wind at 10-15 mph.
Many of you gave me good advice on improving my TT performance, even though
the training time was running short. I started doing intervals on my
commute. I tried to develop a positive attitude toward what I knew would be
the hardest part of the course, a mile directly into the wind coming just
before the finish.
It all helped.
I did a personal best for this course at 14:07 unofficially. That's still
under my goal of 20 mph, but I'm not complaining. This time out I pretty
much ignored the HRM since I couldn't hear it over the wind anyway, and went
with how my legs and lungs felt. I did check it a couple of times and I was
surprised to find the rate in the 170s range. I say surprised because it
didn't feel bad. And at the end of that mile of grinding into the wind, it
hit 187! Though at that point I was about spent, and had to let up a bit to
recover. Not bad for a guy of 49.
So as a result of your advice I've learned that I can push harder than I
thought possible. My thanks to all of you. The next step is to try to break
14 minutes on this course, and 20 mph on the next 10 mile TT. I intend to
stay with the intervals and try to lose some extra pounds.
--
Ed
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is middle-aged.
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Well done Ed, good performance. Best of lucking for hitting 20mph!!!
Hamish
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Daniel Connelly
Well, at least my handlebars. No computer. No HRM. Just me,
and how I feel.
But anyone who's read Martin Shakeshaft's papers on time trial
pacing knows the danger of this. If you ride at a "uniform
pain level", the risk exists of an early, irrecoverable accumulation
of lactic acid. The same level of pain which results in a burst
of speed at the start is able to only support a reduced speed for the rest
of the event. You finish thinking you hurt all the way -- it must have
been your best effort. But the best efforts are the ones where you go
out a bit "easy", and are surprised by your finishing time.
Riding at uniform power results in a slower accumulation
of lactic acid. The result is a faster time in a 10-mile time trial.
I went to the computerless approach after my p.brain was rudely
removed from my possession (along with my racing bike, which after
a substantial delay I replaced with one I like better). Maybe it was
a bit of a defensive move.
"Yeah, you took my computer, but I didn't need that gadget anyway, so
you didn't really hurt me at all. In fact, you helped, as now I'll
ride by the Force". Trust the Force, Dan.
But I really now want to get a time-recording HRM. I want to see what I'm
doing in time trials. I'll be promoting a time trial series in June -- maybe
this will give me a chance to check myself if I can ride a few of them.
Better yet -- a power-recording computer. But the Polar S710 isn't
readily available here, yet.
The point of all this is if you want to average 20mph, neglecting wind
and hills and other complicating factors, don't go out at 23mph, then
fade to 19mph 25% of the way in. That's not good enough. You want to
go out at 20.2 mph and hold it, then start to crank up the effort during
the final 25% of the race. You KNOW you can't hold 23mph, even if that
speed feels competitively viable during the starting kilometers.
Robert Chung
Daniel Connelly wrote:
> I went to the computerless approach after my p.brain was rudely
> removed from my possession (along with my racing bike, which after
> a substantial delay I replaced with one I like better).
You had a 5500, or something like that? What did you replace it
with?
Dan Connelly
1997 Trek 5500.
Replaced with Fuji 2000 Mercury Team with Profile carbon fork.
http://www.fujibikes.com/1999-2000_site/html/bikes/road/team.htm
The new bike is a bit shorter in the head tube for the same top
tube length.
Dan
Robert Chung
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> Robert Chung wrote:
> >
> > Daniel Connelly wrote:
> > > I went to the computerless approach after my p.brain was rudely
> > > removed from my possession (along with my racing bike, which after
> > > a substantial delay I replaced with one I like better).
> >
> > You had a 5500, or something like that? What did you replace it
> > with?
>
> 1997 Trek 5500.
>
> Replaced with Fuji 2000 Mercury Team with Profile carbon fork.
Yeah, I was sorry to hear you lost that Trek, especially since I
was sorta interested in finding out how many p.brains you could
warranty. What do you like better about the Fuji, and would it be
possible for you to throw in phrases like "stiff but compliant,"
and "the bike seemed to climb of its own accord"?
CuriousChimp
"Daniel Connelly" <djco...@ieee.org> wrote in message
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Ed Wagner
my previous times were in the 14's. Turns out they were in the 13's. So I
was actually slower than last year. This is my third fastest performance.
Regardless, it was a good effort and I learned much from it. The heart rate
information is particularly valuable since it will allow me to tailor my
training to better effect. Previously I'd been using the theoretical
maximum heart rate (220 minus my age) to establish a training regimen. But
now with empirical data about my real maximum, I can train more effectively.
My apologies for the mistake.
--
Ed
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is middle-aged.
Hamish Ferguson <bike...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> Well done Ed, good performance. Best of lucking for hitting 20mph!!!
>
Paul Alman
a questimate. Heard a funny story on ?Sunday from a Doc who should know,
that the way the 220 number was reached initially. The Doctor who gave
initial paper on Max HR and the training effect was uncertain if he should
even mention what the theoretical MHR should be, and on the plane going to
the conference, turned to his buddy and said, "What do you think it should
be?" The answer was, "Well, its just a guess and a starting point, but lets
see if 220 minus age is consistent with the data we have now, if not we can
change it later." No basis in science, just a last minute guess.
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Tom Kunich
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Tom Kunich
Bad Dan, tell us WHERE you'll be promoting them.
Robert Chung
Paul Alman wrote:
>
> Ed, you make an excellent point about Max HR. The 220 minus age is at best
> a questimate. Heard a funny story on ?Sunday from a Doc who should know,
> that the way the 220 number was reached initially. The Doctor who gave
> initial paper on Max HR and the training effect was uncertain if he should
> even mention what the theoretical MHR should be, and on the plane going to
> the conference, turned to his buddy and said, "What do you think it should
> be?" The answer was, "Well, its just a guess and a starting point, but lets
> see if 220 minus age is consistent with the data we have now, if not we can
> change it later." No basis in science, just a last minute guess.
Last week's NY Times had a little article that described just
this thing (See
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/24/health/24TRAI.html?searchpv=site07
for the article itself). Here's a little excerpt from that
article:
===
The common formula was devised in 1970 by Dr. William Haskell
[snip] They were trying to determine how strenuously heart
disease patients [!] could exercise.
In preparation for a medical meeting, Dr. Haskell culled data
from about 10 published studies [snip] The subjects were never
meant to be a representative sample of the population [snip] Most
were under 55 and some were smokers or had heart disease. On an
airplane traveling to the meeting, Dr. Haskell pulled out his
data and showed them to Dr. Fox. "We drew a line through the
points and I said, `Gee, if you extrapolate that out it looks
like at age 20, the heart rate maximum is 200 and at age 40 it's
180 and at age 60 it's 160," Dr. Haskell said.
At that point, Dr. Fox suggested a formula: maximum heart rate
equals 220 minus age.
===
Daniel Connelly
Probably :
1. Canada Road (Edgewood->92->back)
2. Kings Mt Road (1540 vertical feet, I think, so straight up)
3. Skyline from 92 to Kings/Tunitas
4. Canada Road repeat
I am still working out details. I'll post a web address when
I finish.
Dan
Andrew Vernon Albright
>Probably :
>
>1. Canada Road (Edgewood->92->back)
>2. Kings Mt Road (1540 vertical feet, I think, so straight up)
>3. Skyline from 92 to Kings/Tunitas
>4. Canada Road repeat
What's the url?
Jon Isaacs
>Good going fatso.
Good Old Tom.
What a friggin jerk. What sad case.
Until this moment I thought there was a glint of humanity in him.
I suggest the best way to get rid of him is just ignore him. Take the Pledge,
it has worked with other Trolls, it should work with him.
jon isaacs
Joseph Cipole
Makr the thread as follows. Evetually, tommy-boy will force himself out
as every post he makes will carry with it an impled TK-oh on it.
Joe Cipale
"Jon Isaacs" <joni...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Paul Alman
talking into racing for the first time) had some really inside info, and now
to find out he read it in the NY Times. Another crumbling icon, just like
TK.
"Robert Chung" <REC...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dan Connelly
>
> Where can we find Martin's papers on this?
>
Kevin T Lacour
> Good going fatso.
Wonderful - a steady stream of useful information and encouragement interrupted
by the biggest dope on rbr. Another thread TK-Oh'd!
I'm beginning to think that TK is really some sort of auto-bot, programmed to
scan this newsgroup for new threads, assemble an inane response based upon some
sort of faulty AI, with the ability to punctuate any diatribe with inappropriate
responses stored in a database. No real intelligence behind it beyond the
knowledge of the original programmer who, after playing around with this
experiment and getting bored with it, went on to bigger and better things. Which
might or might not be Poulos in the rec.bike.misc group - always good for stupid
remark at an inopportune time.
Regards -
ktl
Andrew Albright
> I suggest the best way to get rid of him is just ignore him. Take the Pledge,
> it has worked with other Trolls, it should work with him.
After a lot of debate on the rbr listserve, we have come to the conclusion that
Kunich is not really trolling. There is some disagreement as to whether or not he
does it just a little, but we are quite sure for the most part that this is just
his real personality and that there isn't a lot of self-analysis going on.
I think that if we can figure him out we can come up with a better way to deal
with him so that he doesn't ruin rbr with all of his inane and off-topic posts.
(Not to mention all the non-politically correct ones too).
I ran across this great article (I'll see I can find it online), it completely
describes the TK Monster.
"Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one's own
incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments." Journal of Personality and
Social Psychology.
Jon Isaacs
"Good going fatso" has convinced me he is off the end and this group is clearly
better off without him. This thread was a serious thread started by someone
wanting help and assistance.
In a couple of other newsgroups I have suggested that everyone "Take the
Pledge" never to respond to a known troll. It seems to have been successful in
at least one care and it certainly works on an individual basis.
It is time to take the Tom Kunich Pledge and I hope that others will join me.
I hereby pledge to never respond to another Tom Kunich post. I am confident
that other people reading TK's posts can see the complete lack of integrity,
humanity, compassion and reason in Tom Kunich's posts and therefore it not
necessary for me to respond.
Furthermore, I am aware that if we join together in ignoring these obvious
trolls that the group will benefit because even if he continues to post, no one
will read them.
I ask that you join me Pledging to ignore any post written by Tom Kunich.
jon isaacs
Paul Alman
Like any good 12-step program, you can only take one day at a time. I will
try, emphasize, try to live up to the Pledge, but the flesh is strong but
the spirit is weak. It is almost as if after a surprisingly short period of
time I need to by Kuniched so I can retain my grip on reality. Knowing that
TK is out there, ready to go off the deep end at any time, helps me keep a
sense of balance in my life.
I will try and I hereby take the Pledge.
My only other comment and disagreement is that as much as I wish it were so,
I don't think TK could start a troll if one came up and hit him in the face
(or hooked him by mistake, so to speak.) Sadly, what you see is what you
get.
"Jon Isaacs" <joni...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Paul Alman
TK-M analysis month, but I propose we just declare TK as
un-Psycho-analytical-compatible, save 30 days, and let's start making
predictions on the Giro.
If we decide to go ahead and spend the month analyzing TK, let's then bet on
the diagnosis or diagnoses (it will be more than one I am sure) that best
describes TK. My bet is that we will find that TK suffers first from
mental masturbation, and that he is as dysfunctional is this endeavor as in,
shall we say, the more physical aspects of the disease.
Just my post-Freudian guess.
"Andrew Albright" <alb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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Andrew Albright
> If we decide to go ahead and spend the month analyzing TK, let's then bet on
> the diagnosis or diagnoses (it will be more than one I am sure) that best
> describes TK. My bet is
my bet is this new incompetent syndrome, described here:
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
Ken Papai
>TK's latest post:
>"Good going fatso" has convinced me he is off the end and this group is clearly
>better off without him. This thread was a serious thread started by someone
>wanting help and assistance.
>In a couple of other newsgroups I have suggested that everyone "Take the
>Pledge" never to respond to a known troll. It seems to have been successful in
>at least one care and it certainly works on an individual basis.
>It is time to take the Tom Kunich Pledge and I hope that others will join me.
>I hereby pledge to never respond to another Tom Kunich post. I am confident
>that other people reading TK's posts can see the complete lack of integrity,
>humanity, compassion and reason in Tom Kunich's posts and therefore it not
>necessary for me to respond.
I will follow-up, reply only to Tom's relevant, cogent *racing* posts.
All the other non-topical crap I will not follow-up (as if I
really do anyway except to admonish).
>Furthermore, I am aware that if we join together in ignoring these obvious
>trolls that the group will benefit because even if he continues to post, no one
>will read them.
>I ask that you join me Pledging to ignore any post written by Tom Kunich.
>jon isaacs
--
Ken Papai Marin County, California
k...@kenpapai.com http://www.kpapai.com
"A photographic memory but with the lens cover glued on."
ronde champ
"Ken Papai" <kpa...@rahul.net> wrote in message
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> joni...@aol.com (Jon Isaacs) writes:
>
> >TK's latest post:
> >"Good going fatso" has convinced me he is off the end and this group is
clearly
> >better off without him. This thread was a serious thread started by
someone
> >wanting help and assistance.
>
> >In a couple of other newsgroups I have suggested that everyone "Take the
> >Pledge" never to respond to a known troll. It seems to have been
successful in
> >at least one care and it certainly works on an individual basis.
>
> >It is time to take the Tom Kunich Pledge and I hope that others will join
me.
>
> >I hereby pledge to never respond to another Tom Kunich post. I am
confident
> >that other people reading TK's posts can see the complete lack of
integrity,
> >humanity, compassion and reason in Tom Kunich's posts and therefore it
not
> >necessary for me to respond.
>
> I will follow-up, reply only to Tom's relevant, cogent *racing* posts.
What's "cogent" mean?
Champ
Brad Anders
> 2. Kings Mt Road (1540 vertical feet, I think, so straight up)
So, does that mean the TT is over a distance of 1540 feet? What gearing
do you recommend?
Brad Anders
ps: King's sure has gotten steeper since I moved to AZ
heather halvorson
>I'm beginning to think that TK is really some sort of auto-bot, programmed to
>scan this newsgroup for new threads, assemble an inane response based upon some
>sort of faulty AI, with the ability to punctuate any diatribe with inappropriate
>responses stored in a database. No real intelligence behind it beyond the
>knowledge of the original programmer who, after playing around with this
>experiment and getting bored with it, went on to bigger and better things. Which
>might or might not be Poulos in the rec.bike.misc group - always good for stupid
>remark at an inopportune time.
see below for an amusing take on this idea:
From: Bob Schwartz (cv...@execpc.com)
Subject: i'm tk from ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Date: 2000/12/01
It's all my fault.
It started innocently enough as a tangent to an
artificial intelligence project I was working on.
The idea was to integrate a web searching tool I
had written with sendmail and inn to create an
internet personality. It would walk the web forming
"opinions" and turning stories it happened upon
into personalized "events" it could recall, using
these to initiate and respond to email and news
posts. I wrote the Anecdote module to morph details
somewhat to avoid detection. It's not perfect though,
hence the recent Limbaugh plagiarism.
I named it after the sound my friend Tom made when
he clipped a pedal in a corner in a crit and whacked
a bus shelter. This was in the days before the ANSI
helmet rule, the real life Tom drools a lot more
these days than he used to. Ironic, eh?
The technical aspects turned out to be a piece of
cake. The devil turned out to be in the thread selection
algorithms, especially in the Topicality module. In
order to keep up on current events it leans heavily
on web sites run by the US news media. News outlets
in the US have been increasingly coming under the
ownership of large corporations, and the slant of
their reporting has shifted to reflect this. The result
has been that Tom's views began to grow increasingly
conservative. I tried to modify the code to point
him back to the center, but it's been hell. What's
worse, I can't seem to weight parameters such that
he is anywhere near as passionate about bike racing
as he is about absorbing the right wing bias in
the media. I've been over every line of code, I don't
even want to think about the amount of time I've
flushed on this. I even 'sent' him to France to watch
the finish of the Tour to give myself time for a top-
to-bottom rewrite. All to no avail.
I think its the election cycle that's doing it. First
it was McCain. Man, there's nothing uglier than watching
conservatives eat one of their own. I thought I could
compensate for this but the US media's terror over the
possibility of a Gore presidency was just too much.
So I'm pulling the plug. I'm giving up. Conservatives
now control US government. This by itself doesn't
concern me. What I'm afraid of is the reaction from
people that have spent years of their lives railing
about the problems with government once they realize
government still pisses them off and they can no
longer blame it on those damn liberals. If I can't
manage my creation during an election cycle, there is
no way I can keep him in check once conservatives
start turning on each other. Like I say, there's
nothing uglier.
You may be wondering about the picture on Papai's web
page. Ken caught me by surprise with that. It took me
a while to surf up some appropriate subjects to morph
with GIMP. When I started the couple was Cathy Boland
and Dave Bailey. Hey, more irony! Turning Cathy into
'Ann' wasn't that big a deal thanks to the shades and
helmets. But by that time I was getting a little
resentful of the amount of time Tom was taking up so I
invested a lot of CPU cycles in dragging Tom's
appearance down from Dave's. Every so often someone
posts something about the helmet in the picture,
perched on the head of someone (although he's not really
a person) so vehemently anti-helmet. Yep, you guessed it,
still more irony!! Ha, ha, ha!
Even with all the problems I'm still pretty proud of
him. After all, he's passed the Turing Test, you all
thought he was a real person. I think that's pretty
bizarre considering what a gay basher he turned out to
be. Poor Alan's probably turning over in his grave.
Irony, irony, irony.
It's been fun to watch at times. I wrote him to never
admit he was wrong, no matter how crackpot the opinion
he picked up from the web and how overwhelming the
evidence. If someone posted a billion times, Tom was
programmed to post a billion + 1 followups. When
presented with a conclusive counter argument, it was
easier to just code him to ignore it. I really felt
guilty sometimes, watching some of you do the Sisyphus
thing.
But it's time to end it. I apologize for all the time
and bandwidth he's consumed.
ps -ef | grep kunich\.exe | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | kill -9
There, it's done. You won't be hearing from Tom
Kunich anymore. Once again, I apologize.
Bob Schwartz
cv...@execpc.com
Dan Connelly
>
> "Daniel Connelly" <djco...@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:3AEED394...@ieee.org...
> > 2. Kings Mt Road (1540 vertical feet, I think, so straight up)
>
> So, does that mean the TT is over a distance of 1540 feet? What gearing
> do you recommend?
>
I normally ride OLH @ 7.2% in 39/21, so if I ride, it'll be
in a 39/292.
Dan
Brad Anders
"Dan Connelly" <djco...@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:3AEF1703...@ieee.org...
You always did climb in a smaller gear than me. I'd probably use a 275.
Brad Anders
VoiD
> I hereby pledge to never respond to another Tom Kunich post. I am confident
> that other people reading TK's posts can see the complete lack of integrity,
> humanity, compassion and reason in Tom Kunich's posts and therefore it not
> necessary for me to respond.
>
> Furthermore, I am aware that if we join together in ignoring these obvious
> trolls that the group will benefit because even if he continues to post, no one
> will read them.
>
> I ask that you join me Pledging to ignore any post written by Tom Kunich.
>
Can we put it in the FAQ?
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Sacinn
(Jon Isaacs) writes:
>I ask that you join me Pledging to ignore any post written by Tom Kunich.
>
>jon isaacs
I kill filed Kunich along with some other idiots back when dinosaurs ruler the
earth. Go thou and do likewise.
Smith
Smith Roedel
Tim Mullin
"Tom Kunich" <tku...@tality.com> wrote in message
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> Good going fatso.
Tom, you're just pissed because he beat you, you slow, hateful, old fuck.
warren
<pa...@quickrelease.com> wrote:
> I agree that TK is probably incapable of trolling. I like your idea of a
> TK-M analysis month, but I propose we just declare TK as
> un-Psycho-analytical-compatible, save 30 days, and let's start making
> predictions on the Giro.
>
> If we decide to go ahead and spend the month analyzing TK, let's then bet on
> the diagnosis or diagnoses (it will be more than one I am sure) that best
> describes TK. My bet is that we will find that TK suffers first from
> mental masturbation, and that he is as dysfunctional is this endeavor as in,
> shall we say, the more physical aspects of the disease.
>
> Just my post-Freudian guess.
Whatever TK does is for his own amusement and the more y'all get upset,
discuss, plot, complain, etc. about him the more amusement he derives.
He's having a good laugh from all this.
The simple answer is... killfile.
-WG
Ed Wagner
disagree regarding helmets, for instance. Therefore I won't take offense at
the word 'fatso.' It's undoubtedly true that I'm carrying a few more pounds
than necessary, but the last time I checked my body fat measurement was at
17-18%. That's a little below the average for men my age, I believe.
Friends tell me that I don't know my own strength. I break things. I bent
a mattock digging out a stump today. But despite muscular strength I don't
do TT's well. I don't climb well, though I do come downhill like a runaway
cement truck. So if I can only find a downhill TT.............
--
Ed
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is middle-aged.
Tom Kunich <tku...@tality.com> wrote in message
news:9cmj5o$nu5$1...@news.cadence.com...
> Good going fatso.
>
Ken Papai
>"Ken Papai" <kpa...@rahul.net> wrote in message
>What's "cogent" mean?
>Champ
"Cognitive"
"Of, characterized by, involving, or relating to cognition:
Thinking in terms of dualisms is common in our cognitive
culture (Key Reporter). Having a basis in or reducible to
empirical factual knowledge. "
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=cognitive
Ken (not Connelly)
http://www.rahul.net/kpapai/cycling/rbr
/
Ken Papai
...
>ps -ef | grep kunich\.exe | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | kill -9
Chris Fabri and myself are the only ones who
can understand the Schwartz's genius.
I hope Fabri follows up since he is really smart.
>There, it's done. You won't be hearing from Tom
>Kunich anymore. Once again, I apologize.
>Bob Schwartz
>cv...@execpc.com
--
Dave Mackey
> Whatever TK does is for his own amusement and the more y'all get upset,
> discuss, plot, complain, etc. about him the more amusement he derives.
> He's having a good laugh from all this.
>
> The simple answer is... killfile.
Agreed there. I had pretty much ignored his posts before today, but the
'fatso' thing was uncalled for and prompted me to drop him into my
killfile.
In fact, this is the first and last time I'll address the TK topic. I
suggest others do the same, as I've seen enough lamers like TK who get
off on pissing people off over the net to make up for something lacking
in their lives. Ah well.
Anyway, I'm sure we can find much better things to discuss...
--
Dave Mackey
usenetATmirrorcageDOTcom
'The Lord cast Lucifer out of the Kingdom of Heaven, and
into the fiery pit where he was to remain damned for all
eternity. And for this Lucifer cursed The Lord and said,
"I've fallen and I can't get up!"' Ezra, ch 5, verse pi.
RJK3
>warren did come unto Usenet and spout forth:
>> The simple answer is... killfile.
>
>Agreed there. >Anyway, I'm sure we can find much better things to discuss...
>
Why not jump on every response to a Kunich post, the way Ken used to (and
others still do) jump on a for-sale post in RBR? If he bothers yo than
much,
it will be worth the effort. Ignore Kunich, flame those who don't.
Tony Szurly
Ken Papai wrote:
>
> "ronde champ" <ronde...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >What's "cogent" mean?
>
> >Champ
>
> "Cognitive"
> "Of, characterized by, involving, or relating to cognition:
> Thinking in terms of dualisms is common in our cognitive
> culture (Key Reporter). Having a basis in or reducible to
> empirical factual knowledge. "
>
> http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=cognitive
>
> Ken (not Connelly)
For a guy who quotes from the dictionary, you don't read very carefully.
He asked about "cogent", not "cognitive".
cogent: compelling or convincing. forceful or powerful, not easily
resisted
So endeth the lesson.
Tim McNamara
wrote:
> Ignore Kunich, flame those who don't.
Isn't one enough?
Tom Kunich
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> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > Good going fatso.
>
> Wonderful - a steady stream of useful information and encouragement
interrupted
> by the biggest dope on rbr. Another thread TK-Oh'd!
Are you about to spring into tears Kevin. Does that hurt your feelings? Poor
baby. Can't take it can you?
joe cipale
Your first mistake here:
Assuming that there is any intelligence involved with tk - artificial or
otherwise.
The second mistake:
No one has figured out a way to send high-voltage shocks back to his
keyboard
whenever he pops onto Usenet.
Joe Cipale
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