HEY XP owners...I TOLD YOU SO!!!! <evil laugh!!>
Dave Henrie
wide open to hackers. The entire operating system, not just the email or
other components....Supposedly the biggest security risk in MS's shakey
security history. Read more about it...before a hacker takes over your
sy.....
dave henrie
Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
bit Win98 is more secure than a 32 bit OS, LOL. Hardly ...
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David Geesaman
And Win95, 95, ME. Were you advocating Win2000? That's the only one
not on the list.
Also, any firewall will block this vulnerability almost completely.
Dave
Uncle Fester
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You're looking real secure there too, Dave. :-P
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Dave Henrie
having a hacker take over my machine while I was on the keyboard...hehe.
Just everyone keeps saying XP is this big upgrade...seems more of the same
to me..
(I'll be quiet now and go back to my run down ratty system...)
(I think I'll be chopped up pretty good by morning.)
dave henrie
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Will DeRivera
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> Never said I was secure Uncle...I've even gone thru the experience of
> having a hacker take over my machine while I was on the keyboard...hehe.
> Just everyone keeps saying XP is this big upgrade...seems more of the
same
> to me..
> (I'll be quiet now and go back to my run down ratty system...)
> (I think I'll be chopped up pretty good by morning.)
> dave henrie
Everyone? hehe...only people i've heard that keep saying how secure XP is
has been Microsoft. =)
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Whodaguy
installed. I don't recall the exact name of the software, but it's standard
in XP and is related to allowing computer control of home appliances - that
whole computerized home thing.
Trouble is XP installs this component by default with no way verify users,
and it allows complete takeover of the PC. Just a stupid thing to do. Leave
it to MS!
"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Dave Henrie
ms. I didn't check but there might be alink in the story.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/675850.asp#BODY
dave henrie
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A Ingram
Joachim Trensz
Achim
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Joachim Trensz
affected only if you've explicitely installed or enabled that service. WinXP
is the only OS that has the service installed and enabled by default.
Achim
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Joachim Trensz
the user doesn't allow anything to execute in either it's preview pane or
mail window.
Achim
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Joachim Trensz
;-)
Achim
"Dave Henrie" <hen...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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jason moyer
I like the quotes I've seen on cnn and news.com from Microsoft
security employees. Sounds like there are some people there who
aren't too happy with company security policy.
It's amazing that any piece of software, nevertheless an OPERATING
SYSTEM, would ship with a service enabled like that. I mean come on,
every service on every OS eventually is compromised, the least MS
could do is face this and stop putting network services into their
software that either can't be disabled or shouldn't be enabled by
default but are anyway.
I'm also not sure what people were expecting when they upgraded to
what is essentially Windows NT 4.2, but there's no point in preaching
here. Hopefully eventually Microsoft will release an OS that holds
some sort of gaming advantages over Win 98, since that's all their
software is useful for.
jason moyer
Workgroups 3.11 were 32-bit also).
b.) Windows 98 is infinitely more secure than Windows XP. Then again,
this is to be expected since Windows 98 has the benefit of 3 years of
patches, where XP was apparently sent to a bunch of morons for beta
testing (actually, based on the people I know who did beta testing,
there's probably some truth to that statement).
c.) Windows 98 is and probably forever will be a better choice for
gaming if only because the shell in XP wastes RAM/CPU cycles in order
to look nice. This has been a complaint of mine since MS decided to
kill the efficiency of their shell by replacing the 95 Explorer with
IE (the performance difference between a copy of Win98lite using the
Win95 shell and a standard copy of Win98 with IE 4/5/6 is amazing).
The sole gaming advantages of XP are a slightly more stable (but
bulkier) kernel and SMP capability which is useless for most gaming
applications. I mention this because gaming is the only reason why
anyone should be running Windows on their PC's at this point, what
with the number of operating systems available now that make more
efficient use of your system resources. I sincerely hope that XP
continues to sell poorly because I'd hate to see games developed that
only run in XP.
d.) The security exploit found in Windows XP dwarfs all security
exploits found in any software in the history of computing. Because
of a bug in the Universal Plug and Play feature (I'm guessing a buffer
overflow, based on comments by Microsoft's Security Team) and the fact
that UPnP is enabled by default in XP (can you say bad design
decision) it is possible to gain access to any unpatched Windows XP
machine that is connected to the internet (or any network that you
have access to, for that matter). Period. This is a default install
of what MS has hyped as the most robust, secure OS ever designed
(wonder if they're familiar with FreeBSD, since they've stolen so much
of the source code for their TCP/IP utilities from it).
"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message news:<u25c7mj...@corp.supernews.com>...
Alan Bernardo
anyhow, the media's source probably being a drunk in a can in an alley and
his girlfriend. Just remember, subtract 20% for exaggeration when the media
reports anything. This figure might even be higher for cable channels.
Alanb
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Uncle Fester
>
> OE5/6 is pretty secure if it's using the Restricted Sites Zone settings and
> the user doesn't allow anything to execute in either it's preview pane or
> mail window.
Granted. But it's default install settings leave a lot to be desired.
And considering all the new folks buying their first computer & getting
on the internet these days, using OE can be dangerous for them. All the
latest worms/virii are plenty enough evidence of that. :-(
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Will DeRivera
jason moyer <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message
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>
> c.) Windows 98 is and probably forever will be a better choice for
> gaming if only because the shell in XP wastes RAM/CPU cycles in order
> to look nice. This has been a complaint of mine since MS decided to
> kill the efficiency of their shell by replacing the 95 Explorer with
> IE (the performance difference between a copy of Win98lite using the
> Win95 shell and a standard copy of Win98 with IE 4/5/6 is amazing).
> The sole gaming advantages of XP are a slightly more stable (but
> bulkier) kernel and SMP capability which is useless for most gaming
> applications. I mention this because gaming is the only reason why
> anyone should be running Windows on their PC's at this point, what
> with the number of operating systems available now that make more
> efficient use of your system resources. I sincerely hope that XP
> continues to sell poorly because I'd hate to see games developed that
> only run in XP.
A) Never say "forever" when it comes to computing. Not too long ago, nobody
ever thought we'd ever use more than 512kB of RAM...EVER. lol. Now we're
starting to see games that *recommend* 512MB! Not too long ago, i had people
tell me i was nuts when i bought a 1GB HD! lol...cripes, i have over 21GB on
this 40GB and that increases daily. =) Win98 will not forever be the
better choice in gaming.
B) There are plenty of benchmarks already out there to debunk your thinking
that XP is less efficient for gaming. They all pretty much show that it's as
fast or faster than 98. Most issues programs/games do have with XP are
usually driver related and not OS related.
The rest of your post, i pretty much agree with. =)
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Bart Brown
>
> ...both versions of XP are wide open to hackers.
What a surprise from the careful folks who gave the world the sieve-like
Outlook Express! Bill Gates -- the Ron Popeil of the computer industry...
Joachim Trensz
in detail in a security bulletin. It's AAMOF more serious than the messages
in this thread make it look like.
Achim
"Alan Bernardo" <aber...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
now severe security leaks, I'm pretty convinced we'll be seeing a
'successor' soon. A la Win98SE.
Achim
"jason moyer" <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message
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...
> It's amazing that any piece of software, nevertheless an OPERATING
> SYSTEM, would ship with a service enabled like that. I mean come on,
> every service on every OS eventually is compromised, the least MS
> could do is face this and stop putting network services into their
> software that either can't be disabled or shouldn't be enabled by
> default but are anyway.
...
Joachim Trensz
I agree with everything you said except hat WinXP is more stable than Win98
for gaming. Just look at all the NGs what's going on there about WinXP.
I've always had a stable system with the older OSes. My current personal
choice is ME, and I haven't had a prob ever since I installed it. No
bluescreen, no nothing. Never. And I do a lot of installing/deinstalling and
experimenting with all sorts of applications and drivers.
Achim
"jason moyer" <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
benchmarks that 'show' that WinXP is faster for games than Win98 are wrong.
Just play a game at the limit of your system's performance and you'll see
that under WinXP you have to crank the settings down a notch (as compared to
9x) to achieve the same smooth display on the screen. The fps counter shows
the same fps, but the smoothness clearly is lower in WinXP than in Win9x.
You can check this for example in Nascar4 on a lap at Watkins Glen. Run N4
in Win9x maxxed to settings that are at the limit of what's still smooth.
Then run it at these settings under WinXP and you'll see the background
stutter in certain locations, and maybe also some trackside objects (some of
the yellow traffic lights).
But make sure your drivers quality settings are identical in the Registry
(compare them manually), as I've seen things that make me believe drivers
chose settings a bit creatively under WinXP for the sake of speed.
If you make sure everything's identical, W2K/XP are slower.
Achim
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Joachim Trensz
default it usually isn't. All for the sake of user friendliness...
Achim
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Alan Bernardo
Florida, after having melted to a plastic nothingness my computer and
everything associated with it. My poor dog was caught up in the frenzy,
along with a few neighbors of mine and a large oak tree which used to
provide shade for nearly the whole state of Ohio.
Alanb
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Alan Bernardo
"Whodaguy" <usegro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The risk is limited to Windows XP and can occur in WinMe if the code is
> installed. I don't recall the exact name of the software, but it's
standard
> in XP and is related to allowing computer control of home appliances -
that
> whole computerized home thing.
>
> Trouble is XP installs this component by default with no way verify users,
> and it allows complete takeover of the PC. Just a stupid thing to do.
Leave
> it to MS!
Wow! I'm glad you told me this, because just this morning, when I awoke
after a series of troubling dreams, I noticed that things were not right in
my home. For one thing my computer was not in its normal place, in my
office. After noticing this and suspecting that I had been robbed, I rushed
upstairs to the living room. The Television was on very loud, tuned to the
Home Shopping Network. And there spralled out on the couch, as comfortable
as a dog after a bath, was my computer.
Using its mouse to hold the phone to the side of its head (monitor), with
its feet (part of what used to be my Nascar Pro Digital 2) covered up to its
ankles (acutally half way up the tower) in receipts, this computer of mine
was ordering every imaginable item from the HSN.
Over the sound of the percolating coffee pot, the humming of the
refrigerator, and the rumbling of the dishwasher, I heard muffled voices
from a nearby closet.
I opened the door as swift as a man ripping tape from a box just dropped off
by the UPS man, and there was my family, all taped up and scared.
"What's going on here?", I hurriedly asked. My smallest child quickly
answered, I suspect from not really knowing what was happening and thinking
it was a game, said-- "It's him!".
My wife and other daughter, whimpering and covered with hangers and old
clothes from the 70s, suddenly rushed toward "him." Before I knew it, they
were at "him", smashing it with their fists and kicking wildly.
The tide had suddenly changed. Within seconds the bulbs in the back of the
computer's head exploded with an unbelievable crash, the coffee pot stopped
its indecent percolation and the dishwasher ground to a rubber-sounding
halt.
I knew then that my security issues were over and we as a family and as a
Nation were safe again.
Alanb
Uncle Fester
>
> Yes, that is - alas - true. You need to _make_ a system secure, as by
> default it usually isn't. All for the sake of user friendliness...
>
What's that old saying? Make computers idiot-proof & only idiots will
operate them. :-))
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Fester
Jonny Hodgson
jason moyer <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message news:cb3c0330.0112...@posting.google.com...
> IE (the performance difference between a copy of Win98lite using the
> Win95 shell and a standard copy of Win98 with IE 4/5/6 is amazing).
Can I back-update W98SE to use the 95 shell?
Jonny
James Anatidae
nice new iMac.
Alan Bernardo <aber...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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James Anatidae
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> What a surprise from the careful folks who gave the world the sieve-like
> Outlook Express! Bill Gates -- the Ron Popeil of the computer industry...
What's wrong with Outlook? I've been using it for two years without
trouble.
Joachim Trensz
Achim
"Alan Bernardo" <aber...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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Ruud van Gaal
...
>b.) Windows 98 is infinitely more secure than Windows XP. Then again,
>this is to be expected since Windows 98 has the benefit of 3 years of
>patches, where XP was apparently sent to a bunch of morons for beta
>testing (actually, based on the people I know who did beta testing,
>there's probably some truth to that statement).
Hey, you're right. Just read about some guy calling himself 'in the
top 100 of beta testers'. With statements like that, yikes!
...
>This has been a complaint of mine since MS decided to
>kill the efficiency of their shell by replacing the 95 Explorer with
>IE (the performance difference between a copy of Win98lite using the
>Win95 shell and a standard copy of Win98 with IE 4/5/6 is amazing).
I recently installed a 486DX2-66 (16Mb!) machine with Windows95 for my
mother. I runs at about the same speed as my PII400/256Mb Win2000
machine. :(
>This is a default install
>of what MS has hyped as the most robust, secure OS ever designed
>(wonder if they're familiar with FreeBSD, since they've stolen so much
>of the source code for their TCP/IP utilities from it).
Or ANY Unix for that matter. Too bad security isn't valued by
Microsoft's customers as much as real computer users. ;-)
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
Tsunami
carefully:
>:Now you can do the smart thing and replace that Wintel piece of junk with a
>:nice new iMac.
And swap my lovely 21 inch monitor for a crappy 15inch one? No
thanks....
I would rather have a G4.
Tsunami
Tsunami
carefully:
>:we _told_ ya it's dangerous.
Yeah, lets all start using Linux, then we can just throw away all
those lovely racing sims we bought (after all you can have more fun
with a command line interface anyway), and see how long it takes the
crackers and virus writers to punch holes in it. Pretty much the only
reason there are so many viri that attack MS OSs is due to it's
popularity. I read a while ago in a Mac magazine someone almost
bemoaning the fact that no-one hardly ever writes viri for Mac OS due
to its lack of popularity!
I don't mind as long as MS keep patching up the holes...
It is still more fun to use than Linux.
Tsunami
Ian P
NONE !
Come to think about it, they're not really useful for anything besides
desktop publishing and you can do that on a PC anyway.
Did I mention the price ? ...
The reason Macs don't get hacked is because no one uses them anymore ;)
Hehehehe
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"Tsunami" <tsu...@nospam.jyurai.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ian P
To be perfectly honest I don't give a rats ass about security problems, If
hackers get into my PC all they'll get are my crappy GPL setups anyway ;)
The computer I use for work is not even connected to the net so that'd take
some seriously skilled hackers to get into.
I really don't want to use a Linux or, God forbid, a Mac system because none
of my games (or work programs for that matter) will work on them.
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<email invalid due to spam>
"Tsunami" <tsu...@nospam.jyurai.co.uk> wrote in message
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Jonny Hodgson
James Anatidae <pars...@citcom.net> wrote in message news:a000uj$4vc7$1...@news3.infoave.net...
> Now you can do the smart thing and replace that Wintel piece of junk with a
> nice new iMac.
There's no GPL... :-P
Jonny
Bart Brown
XP's head. They've also posted what they're terming a "critical security
patch" on their tech site:
Unchecked Buffer in Universal Plug and Play can Lead to System Compromise
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-059.asp
Phillip Malphrus, Jr.
other benchmarks that have been used the last 5 years are wrong. Since they
have always used those tests on 98, does that mean those were invalid as
well?? Papy has always been known for efficient code!! LOL! Just run N1 and
watch a replay and see the objects auto turn off on a P3 1 Ghz with 512MB of
RAM. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
What I said is correct.
XP/W2K can be faster for some applications, but they're not in games with a
lot of 3D action. The reasons being among others that DirectX in these OS'es
can't access the hardware as directly as in 9x, the permanent rights
checking, and the immense number of Registry accesses made in 2K/XP.
Recent drivers seem to sometimes show identical fps in all four OS'es, but
the screen doesn't scroll as smoothly under XP/2K as it does in 9x.
I don't know what you're trying to say with your reference to 5 years of
benchmarking as neither 2K nor XP have existed for that long. But in the
last 3 years it's been undisputed that W2K is slower for gaming than ME/98.
That doesn't suddenly change miraculously. And XP is hardly any faster.
As for N1 turning objects off on a P3 1Ghz - well, you can't expect miracles
from such a slow and obsolete CPU <g>
Achim
"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <elliottf...@charter.net> wrote in message
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jason moyer
Check out www.98lite.net. It allows you to remove all superfluous
components in Windows 95, Windows 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, and ME including
IE. Personally I'm currently using a normal 98 install with IE
upgraded to 6.0 since there aren't really any other worthwhile web
browsers for Windows. I was running 98lite without IE and the help
system for a long time and it was great. It also gives you the option
of using the 95 shell (you need a 95 CD tho) while still having the
ActiveX controls for IE installed which avoids possible software
incompatibilities with the badly coded software out there that
requires IE.
Jason
Glen Pittman
WinXP is definitely a better, faster gaming system than Win2000. Win98SE
was decent in it's day, but now with all the latest hardware, I still get
lock-ups daily with Win98SE, but have yet to get the lock-up with XP.
As for the Security issue. XP is still the better OS IMO. You download the
patch, install it, and you are done. All other OS's from MS have had the
same type troubles. I am sure that if we were all running DOS we wouldn't
be having these problems. But I for one am willing to have to download
patches from time to time to improve my OS. To think that there could ever
be such a thing as a perfect OS that never needs attention is simply
unrealistic.
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message
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STP
> WinXP? Is anyone still using that with all the probs you see in the NG's?
> ;-)
>
> Achim
I don't see many probelms reported by XP users. Sure, like anything new
there are going to be teething problems for some - tell me something new why
don't you?
Don Burnette
"STP" <m...@here.invalid> wrote in message
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I will soon find out, assembling a new system later today and will be
putting a fresh install of XP on a new hard drive.
I lurked in the MS newsgroups for several weeks before making the decision
to go with XP, and am comfortable with my decision.
Don Burnette
Joachim Trensz
thanks for the info. I'm glad you're happy with your system :-)
Achim
"Glen Pittman" <gap...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
you want something that's news to you? Well... <thinking> erm... <still
thinking> ummm... <more thinking> ok, here's something that's apparently
news for you: the NG's are full of messages from people with probs in
WinXP... ;-)
But please note the ' ;-) ' as that's the core part of this message, just as
it was the core portion of the previous message ;-)
Achim
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>
Joachim Trensz
Achim
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Uncle Fester
JJ Sricklin
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message
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> WinXP? Is anyone still using that with all the probs you see in the NG's?
What probs mine is rock solid and Fast. A majority of postings I see are
quite positive.Use what you like, 9...................whats it called ? Oh
ya 98,.... I forgot been years since I used that POS. Been only 2K and now
XP for quite some time now.
JJ Sricklin
"Don Burnette" <d.bur...@home.com> wrote in message news:mf3V7.4758$>
JJ Sricklin
> with all the news about WinXP, its instability issues, incompatibilities
and
> now severe security leaks, I'm pretty convinced we'll be seeing a
> 'successor' soon. A la Win98SE.
>
> Achim
Oh yes I'm sure of that................LOL
JJ Sricklin
"Ian P" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
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> Well said !!
> To be perfectly honest I don't give a rats ass about security problems, If
> hackers get into my PC all they'll get are my crappy GPL setups anyway ;)
>
Exactly who cares. If they can get by firewall more power to them I've got
nothing to hide.
JJ Sricklin
Patch availability
Download locations for this patch
a.. Microsoft Windows 98/98SE:
http://www.windowsupdate.com
or
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=34991
b.. Microsoft Windows ME:
http://www.windowsupdate.com
or
http://download.microsoft.com/download/winme/Update/22940/WinMe/EN-US/314757
USAM.EXE
c.. Microsoft Windows XP:
http://www.windowsupdate.com
or
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=34951
> The risk is limited to Windows XP
Joachim Trensz
Microsoft's security bulletin 01-059 clearly says that W2K is _not_
affected. It doesn't have the vulnerable service.
In Win9x you can install this service, but it isn't there by default. The
prob with WinXP is that this service is by default installed and enabled,
but not visible to the not so technically inclined users (the group of users
WinXP is primarily aimed at). These are in danger, because they are
unsuspecting.
Achim
"JJ Sricklin" <J...@holman.net> wrote in message
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STP
> I will soon find out, assembling a new system later today and will be
> putting a fresh install of XP on a new hard drive.
> I lurked in the MS newsgroups for several weeks before making the decision
> to go with XP, and am comfortable with my decision.
>
> Don Burnette
The only XP related problem I have had was with my MSPP joystick not working
in one game. I replaced it with a MS FF2 stick to resolve the issue. XP has
been smooth sailing for me and I bought it when it was first released. I
guess it depends on what hardware you have, but that applies to any OS.
Rob Berus
system - a P4 1.7Ghz.
It was about 90 in my apartment, and I was playing NASCAR Racing 4 online.
In turn 2, the game locked up. Ctrl-Alt-Del, kill N4, check system temps,
see its way hot, turn the A/C on, reload N4 and continue to play without
ever rebooting. Running WinXP. Try that with 95, 98 or ME.
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message
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> Hi Jason,
>
> I agree with everything you said except hat WinXP is more stable than
Win98
> for gaming. Just look at all the NGs what's going on there about WinXP.
>
> I've always had a stable system with the older OSes. My current personal
> choice is ME, and I haven't had a prob ever since I installed it. No
> bluescreen, no nothing. Never. And I do a lot of installing/deinstalling
and
> experimenting with all sorts of applications and drivers.
>
> Achim
>
STP
> Hi STP,
>
> you want something that's news to you? Well... <thinking> erm... <still
> thinking> ummm... <more thinking> ok, here's something that's apparently
> news for you: the NG's are full of messages from people with probs in
> WinXP... ;-)
>
> But please note the ' ;-) ' as that's the core part of this message, just
as
> it was the core portion of the previous message ;-)
>
> Achim
OK, I'll take note of the ;-). But, if I did a search on Win95 going back to
1995 on Google's archives I bet I would find a ton more complaints about
problems in Win95 than XP. For every complaint I see about XP I see 10
positive posts in comparison.
I think the general consensus on XP is a thumbs up.
jason moyer
matter) it's never argue the following, no matter how ignorant most
people are of the subjects:
1. political science
2. computer science
I'm nearly crying here between this thread, reading the Rally Trophy
tech support forum, and dealing with the war mongering religious
fanatics I have to share a country with. =) I don't have a URL handy,
but there are people on the JoWood board posting stuff like "THIS GAME
IS A PIECE OF SHIT THE GRAPHICS ARE CHOPPY" while trying to run full
details on a Voodoo 3 (there are also at least 4 posts from people
wondering why they get 'No Valid Hardware Detected' with their Voodoo
2 cards). Oh yeah, there's also a nice long thread where someone is
complaining that their Celeron 366 isn't old technology and should be
better supported. Those poor guys at Bugbear. I thought Papy had it
bad.
Jason
--Final non-sequitor...seeing that Nvidia and ATI are apparently
working on graphics drivers to cheat on benchmarks brings a smile to
my face. =)
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message news:<a04isc$ie1ap$2...@ID-99765.news.dfncis.de>...
Don Burnette
"STP" <m...@here.invalid> wrote in message
Ok gang, yesterday evening I built a complete new system, Athlong XP1600,
EPoX 8KHA+ mb, and installed a fresh install of XP on the new hard drive.
So far, it is working flawless. XP recognized all my new hardware just fine,
have had no conflicts. I am still learning abou it, but so far I love this
OS, appears to be very powerful!
Don Burnette
Gerry Aitken
Well done, you solved your problem very easily! It cost you though!!!
Gerry Aitken
That's the point! But you boys sort out XP for me before I waste anyone
of my precious time testing it for M$.
Gerry Aitken
Alan Bernardo wrote:
>
> Wow! I'm glad you told me this,
<PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT HUMOUR SNIPPED>
Comedy, Alan, hmmmm...you've never really grasped the concept, have you?
STP
"Gerry Aitken" <g.ai...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Well done, you solved your problem very easily! It cost you though!!!
Yea, but it gave me a good excuse to get a FFB joystick. :-)
STP
> That's the point! But you boys sort out XP for me before I waste anyone
> of my precious time testing it for M$.
Compared to the amount of free testing I do for the buggy games released the
amount of downtime with XP has been minute in comparison. *Way* less
downtime than with Win98 too. And I can always use system restore or roll
back a driver under XP if something does get screwed up. But, there is
nothing wrong with your method, just that if we all thought like you then
the wheel would never have been invented.
STP
> gaming if only because the shell in XP wastes RAM/CPU cycles in order
> to look nice.
Duh...then turn it off. My XP desktop looks exactly like Win98 did.
Ruud van Gaal
>Well said !!
>To be perfectly honest I don't give a rats ass about security problems, If
>hackers get into my PC all they'll get are my crappy GPL setups anyway ;)
A creative use I recently saw was hacking into a computer, but
silently using it as a storage place for warez. So you really became
another point of of download. Eating resources, until you start
wondering why the internet was becoming so slow.
But ofcourse, this computer was always on, so a good target for that.
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
Ruud van Gaal
<gap...@mindspring.com> wrote:
...
>As for the Security issue. XP is still the better OS IMO. You download the
>patch, install it, and you are done. All other OS's from MS have had the
>same type troubles. I am sure that if we were all running DOS we wouldn't
>be having these problems.
Problem is that MS is still designing from the DOS perspective; open
everything up, and start closing down and patching when things are
discovered that are insecure.
The Unix way is the other way round; close the thing down, and start
opening up what you need. Intrinsically that makes Windows insecure,
no matter what you do. Unix isn't that secure if you'd install it with
everything wide open. That's why by default, they don't, generally.
Something where MS must pay attention to, and is a matter which has
nothing to do with 'perfect OSes' or anything; it's purely a design
choice. Don't throw netlinks open by default.
Larry (The Other Larry)
but ordering everyone to install the patch, it took the THREE days to make
it available on Windows Update.
-Larry
"Bart Brown" <bar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3C238EC0...@earthlink.net...
> In a rare attempt at honesty, MicroDoodle admits there's a huge hole in
> XP's head. They've also posted what they're terming a "critical security
> patch" on their tech site:
>
> Unchecked Buffer in Universal Plug and Play can Lead to System Compromise
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/
bulletin/MS01-059.asp
Larry (The Other Larry)
\Sarcasm Off
LOL!
-Larry
"Ian P" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:a00fg1$lp7$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> What use is a Mac for playing the latest sims ?
> NONE !
>
> Come to think about it, they're not really useful for anything besides
> desktop publishing and you can do that on a PC anyway.
>
> Did I mention the price ? ...
>
> The reason Macs don't get hacked is because no one uses them anymore ;)
>
> Hehehehe
>
> --
>
> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spam>
>
>
> "Tsunami" <tsu...@nospam.jyurai.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3c24a445...@192.168.0.1...
> > Once upon a time "James Anatidae" <pars...@citcom.net> scribed
> > carefully:
> >
> > >:Now you can do the smart thing and replace that Wintel piece of junk
> with a
> > >:nice new iMac.
> >
> > And swap my lovely 21 inch monitor for a crappy 15inch one? No
> > thanks....
> > I would rather have a G4.
> >
> > Tsunami
>
>
Gerry Aitken
STP wrote:
> But, there is nothing wrong with your method, just that if we all thought like > you then the wheel would never have been invented.
And if you'd been around in the first days of wheel development no doubt
you'd have shelled out for one of the early SQUARE ones ;)
Ian P
internet was slowing down. I'm only on 64K ISDN ;)
Besides which, I'm on dialup with a dynamic IP address and never stay online
long enough for anything worth downloading to be uploaded in the first place
:)
--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>
"Ruud van Gaal" <ru...@marketgraph.nl> wrote in message
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Ian P
Does GPL (or any other decent sim) run on a MAC ?
Which industry uses predominantly Macintosh computers ?
How much cheaper are they to purchase than a PC ?
Are there enough MAC users for the hackers to consider MAC a target ?
--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>
"Larry (The Other Larry)" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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STP
> And if you'd been around in the first days of wheel development no doubt
> you'd have shelled out for one of the early SQUARE ones ;)
Hehe...at least I would get bragging rights in my communal cave for owning
the first wheel invented.
Gary Hoorn
etc all run fine : )
Gary
"STP" <m...@here.invalid> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
maybe under ME it wouldn't have frozen at all ( I live in the south of Spain
BTW ;-)
Achim
"Rob Berus" <rbe...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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Larry (The Other Larry)
blue-screening, so you're right. It wouldn't have had a chance to freeze.
:)
-Larry
"Joachim Trensz" <atr...@teleline.es> wrote in message
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Uwe Schuerkamp
> As for the Security issue. XP is still the better OS IMO. You download the
> patch, install it, and you are done. All other OS's from MS have had the
For now, this might be true. Until the next major exploit
trundles along.
> same type troubles. I am sure that if we were all running DOS we wouldn't
> be having these problems. But I for one am willing to have to download
> patches from time to time to improve my OS. To think that there could ever
Yep, you could give Linux a try. I use Linux Mandrake 8.1 for
near most of my daily work such as email, program development,
office stuff, browsing the web, usenet, playing mp3's,
answering machine and so on, on a "lowly" 350Mhz AMD K6-2 with
"only" 256MB RAM, which runs 24/7, so all I have to do is
switch the monitor on. Heck, I even start FlightGear and take
the old Cessna for a spin from time to time or run Racer 0.4.x
around Carrera just for the fun of it.
Also it runs the DSL firewall for my home LAN consisting of a
gaming machine (win98SE, GPL mostly) and a laptop (Red Hat
Linux 7.2).
> be such a thing as a perfect OS that never needs attention is simply
> unrealistic.
>
Point taken, just choose an OS that has a better track record
in security than everything that MS has so far managed to put
out and grab your money for (the above Linux distribution just
costs you the download if you so choose).
Remember they touted XP the "most secure Windows ever"?
Linux isn't rocket science any more, folks.
Cheers & have a happy new year,
uwe
--
Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/
Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E)
Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/
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Bart Brown
this whole thread is NOT confined to XP -- it's also a problem on ME,
Win2K, and any other iteration of WinBlows that uses the same PlugNPray architecture...
BB
Goy Larsen
It's only an issue with "Universal PnP" installed.......a feature hardly
ever used, or installed
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com
"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--
alexti
news:slrna316mv...@espace.highway.bertelsmann.de:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:18:05 -0500, Glen Pittman
> <gap...@mindspring.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Yep, you could give Linux a try. I use Linux Mandrake 8.1 for
> near most of my daily work such as email, program development,
What do you use for program development? I have to admit there is
one Microsoft product that I am missing on Linux and it is
developer studio.
Thanks in advance,
Alex.
Uncle Fester
Joachim Trensz
statement from MS.
So far what MS said was that in ME, while you can install the vulnerable
service, you have to do so on purpose and knowingly. It is not installed or
enabled by default (as it is in XP) and as such, it is no danger to
unsuspecting normal users (which is the real problem with this issue in XP).
As for W2K - in the security bulletins MS01-59 and MS01-60 and the URL's
referred to by these bulletings, MS says that W2K is not affected because it
doesn't have the vulnerable service. Where did they now say that W2K is
affected?
Achim
"Bart Brown" <bar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
as I understand it, the prob is, Universal PnP isn't installed in ME by
default, but it is apparently installed and enabled by default in WinXP.
I.e., any WinXP default installation is affected.
As for W2K, MS said in their security bulletins MS01-59 and MS01-60 and the
respective webpages referred to by these bulletins that W2K is not affected
as it doesn't have the service at all!?
Achim
"Goy Larsen" <g...@nettx.no> wrote in message
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Joachim Trensz
Achim
"Larry (The Other Larry)" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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EldredP
<bar...@earthlink.net> writes:
They just now admitted that? We found that out last month on our network.
College students have TONS of idle time to hack into stuff... :(
Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Uwe Schuerkamp
<sfjshTTal...@internet.look.ca> wrote:
> one Microsoft product that I am missing on Linux and it is
> developer studio.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alex.
Hi Alex,
for program development I use Xemacs (a fork of GNU/Emacs). It
has modes for all major languages that I program in (Java,
Perl, Python, C/C++,...) and most more obscure ones (heck, it
even has an SQL mode if you can believe it ;-)
I've tried some IDE's like Kdevelop, Forte, JBuilder, Visual
Age (all of which are available on Linux) and so on but I think
I am of the "old school" of using the right tools for the job,
and emacs is just too powerful an environment to give up.
Cheers,
Uwe
Uncle Fester
>
> I've tried some IDE's like Kdevelop, Forte, JBuilder, Visual
> Age (all of which are available on Linux) and so on but I think
> I am of the "old school" of using the right tools for the job,
> and emacs is just too powerful an environment to give up.
Guess I won't ask then if you've tried Kylix yet.
(http://www.borland.com/kylix) :-) Haven't gotten around to it myself
but was wondering how it was.
--
Fester
Bart Brown
>
> a shame you didn't back this up with by giving a source or a link to that
> statement from MS.
"'The more I look at the security problems in the Universal
Plug-and-Play (UPNP) feature of Windows, the more I think it is a big
mistake to characterized them as Windows XP problems. It is entirely
possible that there are more Windows ME (Millennium Edition) users who
are vulnerable to the security hole than XP users. The risk here is that
Windows ME users won't get the Microsoft patch because they assume the
problems are only for XP given most of the press coverage so far," said
Smith, proprietor of PC technology watchdog site ComputerBytesMan.com.
".... this bug is a Windows ME bug that got passed along to Windows XP.'
"To be sure, Microsoft said customers using Windows 98, Windows 98
Second Edition and Windows ME with UPnP should also use the patch."
Here's your link:
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article/0,,10_945371,00.html
Joachim Trensz
thanks for the info. This is what I thought. W2K is not affected, and ME
only if you've installed the service on purpose. Or someone else has done it
for you <g>
Achim
"Bart Brown" <bar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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EldredP
<atr...@teleline.es> writes:
>Hi Bart,
>
>thanks for the info. This is what I thought. W2K is not affected, and ME
>only if you've installed the service on purpose. Or someone else has done it
>for you <g>
>
>Achim
>
Our students were using ME. I don't know if the students installed the
service, or if their computer manuf.(Dell, Gateway, etc) do it. One student
shut down every ME system in the dorm with his PNP attack... :(
Of course he denied having anything to do with it...
Jonny Hodgson
Uncle Fester <chuc...@home.com> wrote in message news:3C24ECAE...@home.com...
> Jonny Hodgson wrote:
> >
> > jason moyer <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message news:cb3c0330.0112...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > IE (the performance difference between a copy of Win98lite using the
> > > Win95 shell and a standard copy of Win98 with IE 4/5/6 is amazing).
> >
> > Can I back-update W98SE to use the 95 shell?
Tried Win98Lite a short while back, and Windoze is now not
responding to my application shortcut keys (things like
Ctrl+Alt+I for ICQ, Ctrl+Alt+N for Notepad and a whole load
of others I've got set up on my system).
I'm currently waiting (though not holding my breath) for a
response from the guys at 98Lite, having first replaced the
usual shell and then uninstalled W98L; I may shortly be
forced to try an over-the-top Windoze reinstall, then after
that I might have to consider a full format-and-reinstall :-(
Next machine will almost certainly run Linux, especially
since I'm now using Unix at work...
Jonny
Asbjørn Bjørnstad
> Next machine will almost certainly run Linux, especially
> since I'm now using Unix at work...
Why not use unix at home as well, then?
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/keys.cgi?intel
(You still need a Windows box for the games, unfortunally.)
--
-asbjxrn, putting on my asbestos now.
EldredP
Bjørnstad) writes:
>Why not use unix at home as well, then?
>
>http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/keys.cgi?intel
>
>(You still need a Windows box for the games, unfortunally.)
You just answered your own question...<g>