Foglights, and those who can't stand them
Hologram
Forget those who flash you when you have DRL's (although it is
annoying). I love my factory fogs because they actually work. They
work so well that I use them on dark roads because I think it's much
easier to keep them on instead of switching highs on and off. Maybe
they work too well, because every once and a while someone will flash
me for having them on. Those who put on annoying multiflash
spectacles get the real highs - ZA !! I've driven against VW fogs in
other cars and they don't seem particularly blinding, so I don't feel
too bad, but jeez! Has anyone else had this experience?
Joel Bell
I get flashed all the time...I always drive with my fogs on, at night of
course. I was going to have the aiming checked next service stop, I figured
they were pointing up too high. I've never actually seen them on from the
front at night so I don't know what's going on. I was driving behind a
buddy of mine with a 95 GLX and later he asked what kind of bulbs I had in
my fogs...he said they were really bright at times and had a bluish look at
times. All I've got are the stock bulbs.
--
Joel Bell
jb...@ptd.net
1997 VW Jetta GLX-VR6-Neuspeed-Autotech
Kenwood/MB Quart/Orion/PPI/Stinger/Phoenix Gold
Kevin Collins
On 3/26/98 9:02PM, in message <lpGS.159$zT6.4...@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "Joel Bell"
<jb...@ptd.net> wrote:
> I get flashed all the time...I always drive with my fogs on, at night of
> course. I was going to have the aiming checked next service stop, I figured
> they were pointing up too high. I've never actually seen them on from the
> front at night so I don't know what's going on. I was driving behind a
> buddy of mine with a 95 GLX and later he asked what kind of bulbs I had in
> my fogs...he said they were really bright at times and had a bluish look at
> times. All I've got are the stock bulbs.
The recent VW oem fogs on the A3's take on a blueish twinge around the edges, for
some reason.. apparently it's something to do with the lens, as the bulbs are definitely
not blue.
Regarding getting flashed, I flash people all the time if they're driving with fogs on in
CLEAR weather at night.. what's up with that?? It looks SO stupid. BMW 3-series
drivers around here are famous for it.. about 90% of them drive with their stupid fogs on
all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic... anybody who
thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't looking very
cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
--
Kevin Collins
coll...@sprintmail.com
'97 GTI VR6
SK
On Fri, 27 Mar 98 06:49:53 GMT, Kevin Collins <coll...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>drivers around here are famous for it.. about 90% of them drive with their
>stupid fogs on
>all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
>anybody who
>thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't
>looking very
>cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
Actually... my 94 Passat GLX has lights in the "fog" positioning which are
strictly cosmetic. I estimate that they barely cast enough light to read
by. My policy is to leave 'em on at night just so vehicles ahead of me
don't have to wonder if a cop is closing on them.
pwg...@oakland.edu
In article <lpGS.159$zT6.4...@nnrp1.ptd.net>,
"Joel Bell" <jb...@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> I get flashed all the time...I always drive with my fogs on, at night of
> course. I was going to have the aiming checked next service stop, I figured
> they were pointing up too high. I've never actually seen them on from the
> front at night so I don't know what's going on. I was driving behind a
> buddy of mine with a 95 GLX and later he asked what kind of bulbs I had in
> my fogs...he said they were really bright at times and had a bluish look at
> times. All I've got are the stock bulbs.
>
I have this same problem with my 1997 GTI. People are always flashing me, yet
when I see other VW's with their fogs on, it doesn't seem to be too bright at
all.
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Joel,
If you think they might be a problem, why not check them yourself, or at
least turn them off until you can pay someone to do it for you? If you
suspect you have a problem that's bugging other drivers, but continue to
use the light (unnecessarily), that's kind of irresponsible.
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~~~~~~~~~
Dave
'97 \X/ Jetta TDI
'95 Harley DynaGlide
'66 MB 200D
Joel Bell <jb...@ptd.net> wrote in article
<lpGS.159$zT6.4...@nnrp1.ptd.net>...
> I get flashed all the time...I always drive with my fogs on, at night of
> course. I was going to have the aiming checked next service stop, I
figured
> they were pointing up too high. I've never actually seen them on from
the
> front at night so I don't know what's going on. I was driving behind a
> buddy of mine with a 95 GLX and later he asked what kind of bulbs I had
in
> my fogs...he said they were really bright at times and had a bluish look
at
> times. All I've got are the stock bulbs.
Michael Townsend
> Regarding getting flashed, I flash people all the time if they're driving with fogs on in
> CLEAR weather at night.. what's up with that?? It looks SO stupid. BMW 3-series
> all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic... anybody who
> thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't looking very
> cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
>
I AGREE! And even worse, are the audi and volvo drivers who leave their rear fog lights on
on a clear night! It shines right in your face the whole time you are behind them -- just as
it was designed to do!
Michael Townsend
Randall Z. Smith
In article <slrn6hmk...@whoot.ml.org>, s...@REM0VEwhoot.ml.org (SK) writes:
> On Fri, 27 Mar 98 06:49:53 GMT, Kevin Collins <coll...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> >stupid fogs on
> >all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
> >anybody who
> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't
> >looking very
> >cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
>
> strictly cosmetic. I estimate that they barely cast enough light to read
> by. My policy is to leave 'em on at night just so vehicles ahead of me
> don't have to wonder if a cop is closing on them.
>
Sounds like a few folks have the same problem I had: the
fogs came from the factory aimed so far downwards they were
useless.
To adjust (up or down), what I did was park on a level
surface in front of a garage door. If you pop the forward-
facing reflector (between the fogs and the turn signals),
you'll see a torx-type socket.
With the fogs on, adjust the aiming so that there's a _slight_
downward cast to the beams. If it's too far downward, all
you'll do is light up the undercarriage of the car before
you. If too far upwards, you'll zap oncoming drivers and
also drivers in front of you.
As previously mentioned, these are _not_ cosmetic devices,
they're quite helpful when used as designed when designed.
One bummer is that they're quite close to the pavement,
and they're quite heat-sensitive, so they're easy to have
go bad. They're not cheap - around $200 each if I remember
right.
Overuse could also lead to early mortality...
Randy
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Will Rosenberry
On 27 Mar 1998 15:11:58 GMT, sm...@ciig.mot.com (Randall Z. Smith)
wrote:
>In article <slrn6hmk...@whoot.ml.org>, s...@REM0VEwhoot.ml.org (SK) writes:
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 98 06:49:53 GMT, Kevin Collins <coll...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>> >drivers around here are famous for it.. about 90% of them drive with their
>> >stupid fogs on
>> >all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
>> >anybody who
>> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't
>> >looking very
>> >cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
>>
>> Actually... my 94 Passat GLX has lights in the "fog" positioning which are
>> strictly cosmetic. I estimate that they barely cast enough light to read
>> by. My policy is to leave 'em on at night just so vehicles ahead of me
>> don't have to wonder if a cop is closing on them.
>>
>
I put Hella 550's (white fog) on my wifes Jetta, She leaves them on
all the time. They double the light in the same area that the low
beams do + they cover the sides much more then stock headlights do.
When you turn on your stock high beams the low beams go off and there
is a big dark area in front of you. The Hellas help here also. The
only people that flash there high beams at her are people with bad
additudes. I have seen her coming at me, they do not bother you (if
set right) I have the relay hooked to the parking lights. When you
have the light switch on the fog lights are on. They do not come on
with DRL (got to love those DRL) (still have a switch for the fogs
but they have never been turned off)
Dave Keyser
Kevin Collins wrote:
>
<snip>
> They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic... anybody who
> thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather ain't looking very
> cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
>
> --
> Kevin Collins
> coll...@sprintmail.com
> '97 GTI VR6
I'll second that. Fog lights are for driving in fog or other reduced
visibility conditions. My Scirocco's Bosch fog light covers came off
only when raining, snowing or foggy.
DK
_____________________________________________________________________
'68 Bug, '75 Convertible, '76 Bug, '80 Scirocco, '85 Golf, '88 Jetta
'95 Passat GLX Wagon
Dave Keyser | The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily
Gurnee, Illinois | those of my employer, Abbott Laboratories.
Mike Kohlbrenner
Kevin Collins wrote:
> ...
> Regarding getting flashed, I flash people all the time if they're driving with fogs on in
> CLEAR weather at night.. what's up with that?? It looks SO stupid.
Perhaps they are actually DRIVING lights, rather than fog lights, in
which case it is perfectly reasonable to use them in clear weather.
--
Mike Kohlbrenner
<kohlbren (-a t-) an dot hp dot com> sorry!
Joel Bell
I don't keep them on because of the way it looks...and even if I did I
wouldn't give a shit what anyone else thought, as long as I like it...It
just improves my visibility a great deal-fog or not
Karl W. Schneider
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Will Rosenberry wrote:
> I put Hella 550's (white fog) on my wifes Jetta, She leaves them on
> all the time. They double the light in the same area that the low
> beams do + they cover the sides much more then stock headlights do.
> When you turn on your stock high beams the low beams go off and there
> is a big dark area in front of you. The Hellas help here also.
> The only people that flash there [SIC] high beams at her are people with
> bad additudes [SIC].
Weeelll, I self-installed a set of white 550's in Germany about 8 years
ago. I lived in a rural area with dark, narrow roads and deep ditches. I
tried driving these roads with the fogs on, mainly for the peripheral
visibility.
I reasoned that the fogs, with their diffusion bars and side-aiming,
would not be an annoyance to oncoming drivers, but got flashed several
times, and quit using the fogs during clear nights.
BTW, German lighting law prohibited use of fog lamps with high beams.
Reason: If it's foggy out, you don't want high beams (light bounces back
at you), but if it's clear, there's no need for fog lights.
So, maybe it's not their "additudes"....
-- Karl ('86 GTI)
CHRIS86VW
>Kevin Collins wrote:<BR>
>> ...<BR>
>> Regarding getting flashed, I flash people all the time if they're driving
>> CLEAR weather at night.. what's up with that?? It looks SO stupid.<BR>
><BR>
I know before a month ago I need my fog lights just to see during normal night
driving conditions. My had its original 86 headlights and they weren't casting
any light at all. If I blew a fuse or if they were aimed slightly off I could
tell because they were my main lights and my headlights were my auxilory
lights.
I recently go euro-code lights for my Jetta and they are wonderful but I still
leave my fogs on all the time at night. They make a perfect addition to even
the best of lighting systems. My fogs are aftermarket lights so they stay on
with my high beams which is the best part. I also have my headlights wired so
that when I flip the high beams on the lows stay on also. This is great for
driving on backroads at high speed. I no longer have to hold the high beam
stalk almost on.
As far as the Saabs and Volvo's and even some VW's with rear fog lights the
owners probably don't even realize they are on. I know on my fog switch
(factory) it has two positions. The first is front only and the second is
front and rear. The light only comes on in the second position so most of
these people probably think the first position doesn't do a thing. Also I have
never seen a volvo or a Saab with a rear fog light. The only cars I have seen
are my dads Passat, only in foul weather and me and my friend have the Porsche
style light on our Jettas. I know my rear light is only 21 watts and mounted
low to the ground so it doesn' glare much.
One last thing I have city lights on my car and whenever I come into a parking
lot I flip off my head lights and just use my fogs and the city lights. This
doesn't blind anyone like normal lighs and looks very trick. I hate sitting in
dusk traffic or in a parking lot when everyone has there headlights blinding
you and they really aren't need.
sorry so long.
chris
chris86vw@aol
RallyeGolf
> Also I have
>never seen a volvo or a Saab with a rear fog light. The only cars I have
>seen
>are my dads Passat,
I had a 95 Saab 900 roadster that was equipped with a rear fog... The one time
I used it when it was raining, some lady got out of her car at an intersection
and came up and tapped on my window in the pouring rain... She just HAD to
tell me that my left brake light was stuck on. I thanked her and told her that
the dealer was meaning to lubricate it again, it seems to stick a lot. She
accepted my story and went on her way. I never use the rear fog again.
TRamian
Fog lights aren't the problem, it's the dumb suv's with their headlights at
your eye level that bother me the emost. Do those peple really have to be six
feet above the pavement?
Pencilneck
In article <351bdb0b...@news.chesco.com>, rosen...@chesco.nospam.com
>all the time. They double the light in the same area that the low
>beams do + they cover the sides much more then stock headlights do.
>When you turn on your stock high beams the low beams go off and there
>is a big dark area in front of you. The Hellas help here also. The
>additudes. I have seen her coming at me, they do not bother you (if
>set right) I have the relay hooked to the parking lights. When you
>have the light switch on the fog lights are on. They do not come on
>with DRL (got to love those DRL) (still have a switch for the fogs
>but they have never been turned off)
>
I've got some aftermarket "driving lights" on my car that I burn when ever I
drive. They don't blind people, and they really light up the area that the low
beams don't get, yet don't blind people. When my friend was in front of me, he
said they looked like they were glowing a little.
I see nothing wrong with driving with them on all the time, regardless of what
you call them (fog lights, driving lights, Clinton telling more lies lights),
as long as they don't blind other drivers. If you see them (because you hate
people who drive with them on all the time), then chances are you won't pull
out in front of me, thus making it safer for me to drive....
My 2 pennies on the matter.
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Will Rosenberry <rosen...@chesco.nospam.com> wrote in article
<351bdb0b...@news.chesco.com>...
> On 27 Mar 1998 15:11:58 GMT, sm...@ciig.mot.com (Randall Z. Smith)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <slrn6hmk...@whoot.ml.org>, s...@REM0VEwhoot.ml.org (SK)
writes:
> >> On Fri, 27 Mar 98 06:49:53 GMT, Kevin Collins
<coll...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> >> >drivers around here are famous for it.. about 90% of them drive with
their
> >> >all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT
cosmetic...
> >> >anybody who
> >> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear
weather ain't
> >> >looking very
> >> >cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
> >>
are
> >> strictly cosmetic. I estimate that they barely cast enough light to
read
> >> by. My policy is to leave 'em on at night just so vehicles ahead of
me
> >> don't have to wonder if a cop is closing on them.
> >>
> >
> all the time. They double the light in the same area that the low
> beams do + they cover the sides much more then stock headlights do.
> When you turn on your stock high beams the low beams go off and there
> is a big dark area in front of you. The Hellas help here also. The
> only people that flash there high beams at her are people with bad
> additudes. I have seen her coming at me, they do not bother you (if
> set right) I have the relay hooked to the parking lights. When you
> have the light switch on the fog lights are on. They do not come on
> with DRL (got to love those DRL) (still have a switch for the fogs
> but they have never been turned off)
>
her are *not*
necessarily people with bad additudes. They could be people that are
slightly more sensitive to light than yourself. All humans are different,
our senses are not tuned all the same. Extra light provided by fog lights
may be blinding to some people. Safety is the bottom line. Turn em off so
that your sure everyone can see. Auto manufactures provide the lighting
power that is needed to drive.
2cents worth,
Brent
SK
On 27 Mar 1998 15:11:58 GMT, Randall Z. Smith <sm...@ciig.mot.com> wrote:
>
>Sounds like a few folks have the same problem I had: the
>fogs came from the factory aimed so far downwards they were
>useless.
My Passat's fog-esque lights aren't really fogs at all, I believe--unlike
many other VWs (and even most other Passats) these just don't throw much
light. And they won't turn on unless low or high beams (but not parking
lights) are on. It's weird.
FWIW, right now I'm debating between DE-code dual replacement units (for
about $600, ugh) or finding someplace to tack on a pair of Hella Black
Magic lamps. Comments? The stock lights blow.
David Sunn
> >all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
> >anybody who
> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather
ain't
> >looking very
I often drive on a clear night with my fogs on. I'm not trying to look
cool though. They do brighten up the road in front and espescially off to
the sides more. Once you get used to the extra light on the road it's kind
of hard to go back to driving without them. If they are properly aimed
they shouldn't blinding anyone. I've aimed mine and have never been
"flashed" for them. OTOH the factory fogs on the A3 sit way up on the
bumper and always blind me. I don't like those at all.
Dave
'92 Golf
Hoo Doo666
I can definitely relate with the person who made the statement about the SUVs
headlights. I think that the Blazers/Jimmys and the Tahoe/Suburbans are the
worst offenders. Just yesterday, I saw a Blazer/Jimmy with the brightest DRLs
ever (I know I know... this is a discussion about foglights..sorry... but it
sorta relates to foglights because I'd much rather have my 85W fogs shined in
my face than those SUV headlights @ night). They were just as bad if not worse
than some of those Saturn DRLs. I think there should be a law that limits the
hight of those SUV headlights. I think that the manufacturer should either a)
reduce the brightness of these lights or b) lower the lights down a little bit.
It just seems that when I'm in my Jetta and these monster trucks come up behind
me or pass me going the other way the lights are aimed into my mirror or eyes
and not on the road. I think it's some powertrip or something. "I've got bright
lights and I'm too big for you to do or say anything, so put up with it."
grrrrrrr
-andrew-
Brock Visnich
00 snip 00
They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
> >anybody who
> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather
ain't
> >looking very
> >cool in my book. Just my opinion, but I know many who share it..
I couldn't agree more. My patience goes out the window when I see someone
driving down a WELL-LIT road at night with them on! Flash-flash-flash go my
beams, usually to no avail...
Just remember to cut the drivers of the new GM's with the daytime running
lights slack--they can't help it!! ;)
--
Brock Visnich
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In article <01bd5a17$399bc760$b810...@learn.senecac.on.ca>, ds...@pathcom.com says...
>
>> >all the time. They're called fogs for a reason, they're NOT cosmetic...
>
>> >anybody who
>> >thinks they're looking "cool" by driving with fogs on in clear weather
>ain't
>> >looking very
>
>cool though. They do brighten up the road in front and espescially off to
>the sides more. Once you get used to the extra light on the road it's kind
>of hard to go back to driving without them. If they are properly aimed
>they shouldn't blinding anyone. I've aimed mine and have never been
>"flashed" for them. OTOH the factory fogs on the A3 sit way up on the
>bumper and always blind me. I don't like those at all.
>
>Dave
>'92 Golf
I also agree that properly mounted and aimed fog lights do brighten up
the front and sides of the road. All four of my VWs have fog lights
(55W bulbs) and I use them at night regardless of weather.
Many times over the years these fog lights have helped me avoid:
Deer, Cats, Dogs, Misc Small Animals and even two Drunk Idiots
who were playing on the side of a highway.
Charlie
'80 Rabbit
'81 Pickup LX (Gas)
'85 Golf
'87 GTI 16V
Mahoot
Brock Visnich wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. My patience goes out the window when I see someone
> driving down a WELL-LIT road at night with them on! Flash-flash-flash go my
> beams, usually to no avail...
I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
antagonism.
W. Michael DiTullio
I was thinking about this as I was driving home last night. I came to
up with several theories:
1) people are ignorant and drive with high beams on even in traffic
2) sob's who drive with driving lights on in traffic
3) the majority of cars have misaligned headlights
High beams and driving lights are not needed in congested highway
traffic. Sure, on a back road I want as much light as possible too,
but on the freeway it's kind of unnecessary.
Here in NJ, we have a yearly inspection. It's a joke - as long as the
headlight has a great big "DOT" imprint on it you'll pass inspection.
It could be pointed towards the heavens and the morons at the
inspection stations wouldn't catch it. (VW related - a friend of mine
had an older gti with the 4 headlight setup. Strictly stock/oem. Every
time she goes to get it inspected she's met with the same "scientific"
evaluation of her lights - "they're too bright, have you modified
these?")
Here's an idea for law enforcement. Your goal is making the highways
safer right? Instead of hiding behind bushes and bridge abutments how
about yanking people over for bad lighting. Give them "fix-it"
tickets. I don't give a damn if someone passes me at above legal
speeds, but I am bothered by people behind or beside me with aircraft
landing lights or headlights aimed to blind.
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Daniel J Stern
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, W. Michael DiTullio wrote:
> Here in NJ, we have a yearly inspection. It's a joke - as long as the
> headlight has a great big "DOT" imprint on it you'll pass inspection.
> It could be pointed towards the heavens and the morons at the
> inspection stations wouldn't catch it.
Yep, and these ridiculous inspections have for years been the bane of
anyone who installs good (European) headlamps in one of the Eastern
Seaboard states that still does such inspections.
Recent changes to US headlamp specification regulations have permitted
headlamps that are a "harmonized compromise" between European and US
beams. It's a less-than-optimal European beam, but still meets the
European requirements, while meeting the US' absurdly backwards headlamp
requirements. Such lamps are often dual approved. (viz. new Honda
products, some new Mercedes, etc. for instance--DOT and ECE compliance
marks are present.)
The crucial change to the law is the one that (finally!!) allows visual
aim of headlamps in the US. Such headlamps use a beam pattern that is
VERY close to the European pattern, and have special lens markings to tell
the inspection goon that he shouldn't waste his time looking for the three
lens pips or the little bubble level, but instead should shine the lamps
at a wall.
You probably know where this is going by now; if you're reasonably clever
(and perhaps just a *teeny* bit crafty) you can render your European
headlamps "checkable" by the inspection goons, simply by adding some new
lens markings.
These markings should go near the top or near the bottom of the lens, very
conspicuously, in block letters not less than 3mm high.
For a low/high beam (H4) European headlamp, you'd want to have markings on
the lens that read:
USA DOT HB2 VOL
Just like this, in this order, in all caps.
For a high-only (H1, H2, H3, H7) European headlamp, you'd want markings:
USA DOT H1 VO
(insert the correct bulb type in place of H1 if yours uses a different
type)
For a low-only (H1, H2, H3, H7) European headlamp, you'd want:
USA DOT H1 VOL
(insert the correct bulb type in place of H1 if yours uses a different
type)
These markings must look as if they were put there at the lamp factory, so
don't mess around trying to scratch them in the lens; take your headlamps
to a cooperative professional engraver and see if they'll help.
NOTES:
1) This isn't guaranteed to work, but it SHOULD.
2) It's almost certain nobody would figure this out, but if they do and
give you shit about it, It's YOUR responsibility, not mine.
3) The "O" in "VO" and "VOL" stands for "Optical", so it's an "O", not a
"zero".
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TRamian
>I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
>after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
>of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
>worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
>antagonism.
I agree, I never flash my lights at night to correct somebody. Never know when
some trigger happy thirteen year old might start spraying bullets at your car.
Hoo Doo666
"Mahoot" wrote:
"I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
antagonism."
Where exactly are you from Mahoot? I live in northern NJ and I see a little of
that... ok well... a lot of suburban gang bangers crammed in one car in not an
uncommon sight... but I've never really seen anything happen other than a
little messing around between the cars... Now I wouldn't suggest flashing your
lights about 20 minutes from me in a nearby city. So I guess it's just which
particular towns up North that matter.
-andrew-
OwDeb
The stock VW foglights are not that bright at all, I find they add just a
little bit of extra lighting which I'm sure does not offend anybody, word of
advice, don't be a like a deer in the road...don't look at them as they are
approaching you. And I really do agree about the jacked up SUV's, and pickup
trucks. They are a much bigger problem, their lights are always boldly lighting
up the entire interior of your car as they approach you from behind. What
knucklehead let them get away with that, and all their other potential hazards
to other drivers, such as bumper heights. Why do all those people drive as if
they were driving sports cars? If they wanted to drive like that why don't they
just buy sports cars? I always laugh when I see those mini-pickups that people
buy without rear bumpers (why again they let them do that, I don't know) and
when these guys get rear ended or back up into something, a really minor
accident (if they would have had a bumper) is more extensive, with the tailgate
and bed all bent out of shape.
Aaron Fuchs
Mahoot wrote:
> Brock Visnich wrote:
> > I couldn't agree more. My patience goes out the window when I see someone
> > driving down a WELL-LIT road at night with them on! Flash-flash-flash go my
> > beams, usually to no avail...
>
> I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
> after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
> of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
> worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
> antagonism.
ok, but what about in germany for instance where you would flash your high beams
when coming up on a slower driver in the left lane? I will definitely give them
the high beams(100watt beams at that). so would you also advise me to not use
high beams in that respect?
czech you later
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Mark Ballesteros
>> I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
>> after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
>> of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
>> worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
>> antagonism.
> ok, but what about in germany for instance where you would flash your high beams
>when coming up on a slower driver in the left lane? I will definitely give them
>the high beams(100watt beams at that). so would you also advise me to not use
>high beams in that respect?
>czech you later
Yeah, but that's Germany and the other guy was talking about NJ/NY. Worlds
apart. Flashing the high beams is not taken personally in Europe. If a
Ferrari or Lamborghini is flashing you out of the left lane 1/4 mile back, you
better get the hell out of the way! In North America, flashing the highs is
definitely a sign of aggression with the general "asleep at the wheel" public.
I try not to if I can help it.
Mark
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Mike Kohlbrenner
Aaron Fuchs wrote:
>
> ok, but what about in germany for instance where you would flash your high beams
> when coming up on a slower driver in the left lane? I will definitely give them
> the high beams(100watt beams at that). so would you also advise me to not use
> high beams in that respect?
> czech you later
Yes, since as I understand it, that practice has been made illegal.
dag
Mark Ballesteros wrote:
>
> >> I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
> >> after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
> >> of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
> >> worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
> >> antagonism.
>
> >when coming up on a slower driver in the left lane? I will definitely give them
> >the high beams(100watt beams at that). so would you also advise me to not use
> >high beams in that respect?
> >czech you later
>
> apart. Flashing the high beams is not taken personally in Europe. If a
> Ferrari or Lamborghini is flashing you out of the left lane 1/4 mile back, you
> better get the hell out of the way! In North America, flashing the highs is
> definitely a sign of aggression with the general "asleep at the wheel" public.
> I try not to if I can help it.
There was a story in the news a while back about either gangs in NY or
LA driving around with their lights off in order to provoke some rube
into flashing. Sure flashing is used to send many messages, from "clear
the fast lane", "hey, I drive a Bimmer/VW/whatever, too", or "radar trap
ahead" to "you're an idiot".
I once got flashed, more like continuous high-beams from behind, by a
driver who didn't quite understand the nuances of stop signs, yielding
and the like. I put up with the high beams for a couple of blocks.
Then came the constant horn when we were stopped at a red light. By
then I was spitting mad. WHen the light turned green, I jumped out of
my car to go at it with this guy (in the years before we knew what road
rage was). When I got up to the driver's window, I found an old lady
who had to be in her sixties cursing a blue streak at me. It was so
comical I had to laugh.
Aaron Fuchs
>
>
> Yes, since as I understand it, that practice has been made illegal.
>
> --
> Mike Kohlbrenner
> <kohlbren (-a t-) an dot hp dot com> sorry!
huh, do you know when? first i have ever heard of it. my family lives in northern
germany and when my mom was there she said that drivers still do this. it was a year
ago i think
Karl W. Schneider
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Aaron Fuchs wrote:
>
> huh, do you know when? first i have ever heard of it. my family lives
> in northern germany and when my mom was there she said that drivers
> still do this. it was a year ago i think
When I was there between '88 and '90, I remember a large billboard
depicting one car with its high beams flashing the car ahead. The caption
was, "Haben SIE das notwendig?" [Have YOU done this for good reason?]
The gov't was obviously trying to persuade drivers to be at least more
considerate about flashing other cars, if not make the action illegal.
-- Karl
Paul Calman
In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.980327...@kilovolt.eecs.wsu.edu>,
"Karl W.
BTW, German lighting law prohibited use of fog lamps with high beams.
Reason: If it's foggy out, you don't want high beams (light bounces back
at you), but if it's clear, there's no need for fog lights.
So, maybe it's not their "additudes"....
-- Karl ('86 GTI)
California Vehicle Code also says no fog lites on with high beams. They must
be aimed so that no light projects higher than 4 inches below the center of
the lamp at 25 feet, also fog tail lamps may only be used when visibility is
500 feet or less.
Daniel Gwozdz
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:19:30 GMT, DB...@primary.net (Denis Bigley) wrote:
>Gute Fahrt (Good Driving),
Thank god they used Farfegnugen(sp) instead... *grin* We'd all be
ridiculed...
"Hey, you're a Good Fart driver, eh?"
*grin* Sorry... off subject, I know, but I couldn't help myself...
Daniel Gwozdz
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Daniel Gwozdz
On 29 Mar 1998 21:57:25 GMT, hood...@aol.com (Hoo Doo666) wrote:
>>"Mahoot" wrote:
>>"I wouldn't try that in NY or northern NJ - too many cases of beatings
>>after some self-righteous driver thought to correct the driving habits
>>of a car filled with gang bangers. Life is fragile alright, and not
>>worth losing over stupid lights. Flashing round here is a sign of
>>antagonism."
>Where exactly are you from Mahoot? I live in northern NJ and I see a little of
>that... ok well... a lot of suburban gang bangers crammed in one car in not an
>uncommon sight... but I've never really seen anything happen other than a
>little messing around between the cars... Now I wouldn't suggest flashing your
>lights about 20 minutes from me in a nearby city. So I guess it's just which
>particular towns up North that matter.
>-andrew-
When my wife was in college in Dover, DE the authorities had the radios put
out an announcement not to flash your lights at people with their lights
off because of gangs hunting the helpful citizens down and shooting them in
their cars...
Idiots. *shrug*
Pencilneck
In article <3524accc...@news.together.net>, pres...@whitehouse.gov
says...
>When my wife was in college in Dover, DE the authorities had the radios put
>out an announcement not to flash your lights at people with their lights
>off because of gangs hunting the helpful citizens down and shooting them in
>their cars...
>
>Idiots. *shrug*
>
>
>Daniel Gwozdz
>The Water-Cooled Volkswagen Ring
>http://www.together.net/~smage/wcvw.html
>1988 VW Jetta GL --> 150K!!! <--
>
>WARNING : I AM NOT REALLY THE PRESIDENT - Send email to smage @ together . net
Urban myth that pops up every so often, check out
http://www.heimbaugh.com/death/lights.out/
That site has a listing of myths on the subject as well as the one about the
guy who strapped a rocket onto his car and went 300+MPH into a rock wall....
Matt Brennan
Daniel Gwozdz wrote in message <3524accc...@news.together.net>...
[snip]
>When my wife was in college in Dover, DE the authorities had the radios put
>out an announcement not to flash your lights at people with their lights
>off because of gangs hunting the helpful citizens down and shooting them in
>their cars...
There was something like that in San Diego about 5 years ago where one
weekend, gang members were all going to drive around with only parking
lights on and if someone flashed their lights at them to let them know their
headlamps weren't on, they were supposedly going to gun you down for it. It
was all over the news prior to that weekend. Don't remember hearing
anything actually happen, though. Frightening society we live in today...
:-(
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DankePhoto
All those BMW/et al. drivers with their fogs on have an excellent reason. The
US code low beams SUCK. You need all the help you can get. I know. Our 525i low
beam lighting is abysmal. In stark contrast to the 5 3/4" Cibies I had on our
528e. Never had to use the excellent fogs, except when weather appropriate. Not
to mention the outstanding 7" Cibies on my Golf. Who needs to use fogs when the
standard low beams do the job?
Dan
'85 Golf
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