M-151 Mutt / Jeep
William Oliveri
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/car/51813738.html
L.W. Hughes III
a Rolls Royce engine, fortunately I was assigned a Dodge with Real leaf
springs and axles: http://www.billhughes.com/billsM37.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHug...@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/billsM37.jpg
PLB49
>And, is the engine really manufactured by RR or even a RR design?? I
>always thought it was a Ford. I have worked on actual Rolls Royce
>engines and the four cylinder Mutt engine just never even looked like
>Rolls Royce. In fact I don't think any US military vehicle ever used a
>RR engine.
LOL! The 151's we had were Fords! We always said they had Pinto engines, but
don't know if that was true or just general griping!
Paul B.
SP-5, USAR, 1971-77
L.W. Hughes III
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/6c29e51e-4d2a-11d9-b3be-00000e2511c8.html Go
back to school, then maybe you'll learn to count as high as the number
companies they've build engines for. Then when you grow up and joint the
military, you'll find most everything is titanium for it's light weight,
strength, and high heat resistance. Just try cutting it with a torch.
Ted wrote:
>
> Tell us Bill, what is titanium on the Mutt?
L.W. Hughes III
rice burners.
L.W. Hughes III
Ted wrote:
>
> It's obvious you jointed a _lot_ in the military.
Howard Eisenhauer
exactly what happened to most of the 151s, I've seen a few that were
welded back togeather again. For Titanium they were damn rusty-
Don't ever recall ever seeing one burning JP4 insted of gasoline
though- :).
From
http://www.geocities.com/fordm151/
I quote -
"In 1960 quantity production of the M151 started at Ford's Highland
Park factory in Michigan. The engine was the Ford L142 - a 4-cylinder
2,320 cc. unit delivering 72 bhp. at 4,000 rpm. - but the steel bodies
were built by Fruehauf. "
Howard.
Matt Macchiarolo
;-)
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L.W. Hughes III
You didn't see that was a "geocities" site, with glaring errors,
like there's no frame for one.
They cut them up before they could be sold as surplus salvage, for
litigious reasons. It was impossible to weld or even bolt the halves
together even using a gusset, and not have something even more
dangerous. When I was in the ARMY they definitely didn't have a steel
bodies, they were made light, as you may see each axle had a loop to
attach to a parachute. This site says they were all aluminum:
http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military/m151/m151.html Yes, Ford
assembled the M-151, along with Kaiser Jeep, AM General and General
Motors, but you'll never find that engine anywhere else. Does this look
like an American Carburetor to you?
http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military/m151/gallery/mutt3.jpg
L.W. Hughes III
Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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L.W. Hughes III
Lee Ayrton
>> And, is the engine really manufactured by RR or even a RR design?? I
>> always thought it was a Ford. I have worked on actual Rolls Royce
> LOL! The 151's we had were Fords! We always said they had Pinto
> engines, but don't know if that was true or just general griping!
This page (and others) says that the M151 used one or two engines, either
a Continental license-built by Ford or a militarized Hercules Industrial.
9. The M151 Page
<URL:http://www.m38a1.ca/m151.html>
Other sources also say that the bodies were built by a variety of makers,
including Fruehauf and Budd.
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Ted
L.W. Hughes III (ßill) wrote:
> Nope, it's a titanium, unitized, independent suspension, Ford, with
> a Rolls Royce engine, fortunately I was assigned a Dodge with Real
leaf
> springs and axles: http://www.billhughes.com/billsM37.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
Tell us Bill, what is titanium on the Mutt?
And, is the engine really manufactured by RR or even a RR design?? I
always thought it was a Ford. I have worked on actual Rolls Royce
Ted
> http://news.ft.com/cms/s/6c29e51e-4d2a-11d9-b3be-00000e2511c8.html Go
> back to school, then maybe you'll learn to count as high as the
number
> companies they've build engines for. Then when you grow up and joint
the
> military, you'll find most everything is titanium for it's light
weight,
> strength, and high heat resistance. Just try cutting it with a torch.
Ted
L.W. Hughes III
Lon
short unless the photo is from an unobviously bad angle.
Hitachi-Solex would be another guess, but they were tall much like the
unlamented SU.
PS. Wonder how much a Unisyn and SU Tool is worth on eBay?
Dave Milne proclaimed:
Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Mike Romain
Volvo's.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
L.W. Hughes III
When you suggested Stromberg, it reminds me that was the carburetor
I chose to use on my '57 Bird (pre big Holleys):
http://www.vintagespeed.com/newprod.htm to use on my 430" stinkin'
Lincoln conversion for '59, three 97s:
http://www.billhughes.com/tBirdPipeWrench.jpg The carburetor on the Mutt
looks exactly like the carburetors on an aluminum bodied '55 Austin
Healey I once owned. First and last British product, lesson well
learned. This '62 pictured says they were S. U.s:
http://www.hymanltd.com/search/details.asp?stockno=2790&recordCount=0
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
Mike Romain
sync up. LOL! I played with lots of dual SU and Stromberg systems and
they were a hoot. Got good enough the boys were bringing me the 6 packs
to sync.
The SU has a taller pot on it, the Stromberg or Zenith on the mutt is
squatter like this Volvo one:
http://www.volvoadventures.com/121JoaquinPeru1006.jpg
Mike
L.W. Hughes III
There were two on my '55 and I didn't have any problem with them.
It was the typical rainy day shorting that all British cars seam to have
during that time. And it kept losing it's alignment on our California
roads, and the loose spokes, And the paint pealing off the aluminum
body, and the stripped bolts in that aluminum, and the..... etc., etc.,
etc.!
Synchronizing multiple slide type carburetors is a must, especially
on puny engines like the Honda four motorcycles. I used that little
clear plastic tester that raised a ball to compare venturi speeds
L.W. Hughes III
Lon
I quickly found out that the best way to sync multiple SU's was to
set them up properly once. Then replace the !#@$!@#$ original
equipment jets with ones that didn't leak at the hose coupling.
Then set them up again. Then use very light oil or better tranny
fluid in the dashpots. Then leave the damn things alone and go fix
the even more crappy ignition before laying a finger on the carbs.
The japanese versions on the old Datsun 2 litre 4 banger were pretty
much a set and forget type--unlike the MG, the TR Spitfire, the TR4,
the Jag [have I mentioned I tend to repeat mistakes yet?] etc.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
L.W. Hughes III
top off with oil, with every lube job. I took a job to start an old MG,
one of the sleeves was stuck wide open, and I didn't know it until after
I squirted it with starting fluid and cranked it. Must of done ten grand
for ten seconds, with the ignition off. Fortunately she tuned up
perfect, without any extra knocks.
Dave Milne
for him one lunchtime in a client's carpark so we could get home ; the
bastard wrote on my review form for the assignment that I had "oil under my
fingernails". If I ever see that MGB again, I'm doing to drive my Waggy
right over the top of it..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Howard Eisenhauer
little reaserch :).
First off, I did see the website you posted. I'd have to say I'm a
little leary about *Thier* accuracy. The part where they say the
original developement contract was let out in 1950 as a replacement
was required for the M38A1 seems a little suspect as the A1 didn't
enter service until '52-'53 somwheres. I do seem to recall that the
151's were unibody construction, certainly the one we had in our unit
when I was in the military had a pronounced bend in the middle from
someone getting a little too enthusiastic about jumping a ditch with
it :). Can't see that it would look quite the way it did with
body-on-frame construction. Here's a picture of one from underneath,
http://members.aol.com/muttguru/a2lc-f.JPG
Now I did contact my wife's second cousin's husband about all this as
he owns a 151A2 that he's in the process of restoring. Just for the
record he's a machinst working for Pratt & Whitney where he earns a
living turning hunks of titanium into PT6 turbine wheels, so I'm
assuming he knows the difference between titanium, aluminum & steel.
He tells me he's heard that some all aluminum 151s were built for
airborne use (or maybe he's thinking of the Mighty Mite
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=69
) but the vast majority were built of steel, certainly not titanium.
His certainly makes an excellant storage system for refrigerator
magnets ;>.
For the engine, his is definately a Ford. A couple of web pages list
two other engines (maybe earlier versions?), a Continental with a
downdraft carb & a Hercules with the side draft. I can't comment on
the carb in the picture as I have no experience with British or other
european carbs. but doing a Google on M151+carburetor brings back
links that seem to idicate the carbs are Zeniths. Yup, it looks
strange alright, but to me so does the right angle doo-hickey one on
the M38A1. Maybe the Mutt uses a British Ford engine (Cosworth
Mutt?!? WOOHOO!!!) but I'm suspecting the reason it looks funny is
the design requirement for it not to leak water inside whilst
submerged :(.
Commnets?
H.
L.W. Hughes III
in '66 had independent suspension, like:
http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military/m151/gallery/muttdrw.jpg
Lon
spawned massive lawsuits today. Took a used one on a test drive and
as soon as it warmed up it headed for the redline--which is a bit
more of a pucker factor in a Jag than in an MG.
Never used oil in my 'B, stretched the springs and ran ATF in them.
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed:
Howard Eisenhauer
I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.
But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).
H.
L.W. Hughes III
I was just told they were titanium, while I drove one, I was unable
to find anything stating that they were anything, but all aluminum, and
were especially made to jump with, hence the axle hub loops.
I think I may have though you for a loop, when my dyslexia wrote
Mutt, instead of M-151 and as usual dyslexia won't allow me to see it on
proof read, usually they add a little malapropism.