New lift kit from Santa... some questions

noneofyourbusiness

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 1:53:42 PM12/25/07

to

After saying all I would ever want to do is have a 2 to 3 inch lift
kit, "Santa" gets me a Rough Country FOUR and a half inch kit!
Gonna look kinda silly with the 28" tires under it! <g>

So, I have a couple of questions and would like input please.

This is going onto a 95 XJ with 300K+ miles on it. The kit came with
add a leafs. I was never able to gauge the sag of the current rear
springs to my satisfaction.

Should I just rely on the add a leafs?;
Should I buy new stock leaf springs to use with the add a leafs?;
Or should I try to exchange the add a leafs for new 4.5 inch rear
leafs?

Also, the kit comes with a xfr case drop kit.
What does a drop kit do to the alignment of the engine and tranny?
Will this suffice, or should I save up for a SYE?

TIA

...
(95 XJ Sport, 4.0L, Auto, Part Time 4WD)

Jeff Strickland

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 2:33:37 PM12/25/07

to

I hate to be a buzz-kill, but I gotta wonder about putting that much
hardware on a 300k+ mile vehicle. But that's just me, I suppose.

"noneofyourbusiness" <top.s...@needtoknow.org> wrote in message
news:pgj2n3ljnnf8medro...@4ax.com...

> After saying all I would ever want to do is have a 2 to 3 inch lift
> kit, "Santa" gets me a Rough Country FOUR and a half inch kit!
> Gonna look kinda silly with the 28" tires under it! <g>
>
> So, I have a couple of questions and would like input please.
>
> This is going onto a 95 XJ with 300K+ miles on it. The kit came with
> add a leafs. I was never able to gauge the sag of the current rear
> springs to my satisfaction.
>
> Should I just rely on the add a leafs?;
> Should I buy new stock leaf springs to use with the add a leafs?;
> Or should I try to exchange the add a leafs for new 4.5 inch rear
> leafs?
>

I'm going to steer clear of the spring issue.

> Also, the kit comes with a xfr case drop kit.
> What does a drop kit do to the alignment of the engine and tranny?
> Will this suffice, or should I save up for a SYE?

Yes.

The tcase needs to drop when you lift the rest of the truck. The angle
becomes too steep between the tcase output and the pinion yoke, so you drop
the tcase to flatten the angle. The distance between the tcase and the yoke
(driveshaft) also becomes longer, and this is why you need the SYE. I'd like
to recommend a double cardan style u-joint configuration for your new
driveshaft.

When your tires grow from 28s to 32s, you will suddenly find that your
gearing is woefully inadequate. I hope Mrs. Claus understood this when she
packed the bottom of the tree ... I suppose you could get your Valentine
List in before New Year's Day.

Carl S

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 6:17:25 PM12/25/07

to

Exchange AAL's for full rear springs. Be aware that this will cost you.
Install the t-case drop with 4 degree shims in the rear and see if it
vibrates. If it vibrates, start saving for a SYE.

HTH

Carl

"noneofyourbusiness" <top.s...@needtoknow.org> wrote in message
news:pgj2n3ljnnf8medro...@4ax.com...

Earle Horton

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 5:22:43 PM12/25/07

to

A 4.5 inch lift kit with add-a-leaves? As Gene Berg used to say, "Buy the
best, cry once."

Cheers,

Earle

"Carl S" <carls...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8PidnY2NHJEbEuza...@comcast.com...

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Carl S

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 7:12:56 PM12/25/07

to

It's probably expecting 3" from the AAL, and 1.5" from the shackle.

Carl

"Earle Horton" <012...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:47718674$0$26089$8826...@free.teranews.com...

John

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 11:10:25 PM12/25/07

to

Jeff,
I was thinking the same thing. Unless this 95 XJ has undergone an engine
rebuild, and probably a tranny rebuild...I'm not sure it's worth the effort
putting the lift on.

my $.02

John
"Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:lWccj.21920$y54.6820@trnddc07...

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 25, 2007, 11:30:16 PM12/25/07

to

He's on the left side, so maybe the unitized body's not rusted out. The
four inch lift is one heck of an overload spring, he's better buy a kidney
belt. IMHO
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"John" <he...@there.com> wrote in message
news:4771d433$0$11142$4c36...@roadrunner.com...

> Jeff,
> I was thinking the same thing. Unless this 95 XJ has undergone an engine
> rebuild, and probably a tranny rebuild...I'm not sure it's worth the
effort
> putting the lift on.
>
> my $.02
>
> John

--

Pink Freud©®

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 12:21:39 AM12/26/07

to

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:30:16 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:

> IMHO

There's nothing at all humble about you, dirtbag.

But you have so /very/ much to be humble about.

Like your sick little brane.

--
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor
does the truth become error because nobody will see it.

-Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 3:42:43 AM12/26/07

to

This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar was hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrep...@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Now he's using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net whose only way to get attention is to
make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
But, now worth a forwarding to: intern...@shaw.ca,
secu...@shaw.ca, ab...@shaw.ca, interne...@sjrb.ca, ab...@aioe.org,
ad...@cox.net for forgery.
Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi0...@4ax.com
I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net
intrep...@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHug...@aol.com or LWHu...@hughes.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg

God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.26....@trepanation.calm...

Pink Freud©®

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 4:16:59 AM12/26/07

to

You lose.

>
>
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.12.26....@trepanation.calm...
>>
>> There's nothing at all humble about you, dirtbag.
>>
>> But you have so /very/ much to be humble about.
>>
>> Like your sick little brane.
>>
>>
>> --

--

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 4:34:02 AM12/26/07

to

"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.26....@trepanation.calm...
>
>
>

> You lose.
>
>
>
>

noneofyourbusiness

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 4:48:03 AM12/26/07

to

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:10:25 -0600, "John" <he...@there.com> wrote:

>Jeff,
>I was thinking the same thing. Unless this 95 XJ has undergone an engine
>rebuild, and probably a tranny rebuild...I'm not sure it's worth the effort
>putting the lift on.
>
>my $.02
>
>John

I've owned it for 2 years.
When I bought it, the dealer claimed the engine had been rebuilt about
50K miles prior. Don't know about the xfr case though.
He also claimed the previous owner did mainly highway miles to rack up
the almost 280K miles it had on it, and probably NEVER put it into
4WD.
So far, it has been more reliable than I had expected (knocks on
wood), and only has a few minor issues nagging me at the moment.

I *really* didn't want this much lift, as it's my daily driver. I just
wanted a bit more tire clearance for the rough stuff.

...

noneofyourbusiness

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 4:51:39 AM12/26/07

to

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:17:25 -0800, "Carl S"
<carls...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Exchange AAL's for full rear springs. Be aware that this will cost you.
>Install the t-case drop with 4 degree shims in the rear and see if it
>vibrates. If it vibrates, start saving for a SYE.
>
>HTH
>
>Carl

Any idea what dropping the xfr case does to how the engine and tranny
sit in their mounts??
Personally, I WOULD prefer a SYE so the hardware is farther from the
rough stuff

...

RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 4:56:42 AM12/26/07

to

Well, MeryChristmas!!!
heres the deal. just MHO
the $$$$ for you to upgrade to full leaf's is your decision, but a good
decision if you do it. I'd return the whole rough country kit for a 4 1/2"
Rubicon Extreme kit. This includes all new leaf springs
use the transfer case drop, but plan on a SYE upgrade, or lots of U joing
changes, constantly!
The shims, just use the ones given to you in the kit, but you'll still need
to think about the SYE
ASK bill, he's got some good links for driveline angle gyometry, or do your
research here. its been covered well and often. Rubicon claims you can
install their kit, and not need the SYE, but its no guarantee, and my
experience you will need to upgrade to it. the angle is not too extreme for
the engine driveline. One thing you can do in addition or before your sye is
to install 1-2" spacers under your engine mounts. THIS helps to improve the
driveline angle. I'd count on doing the SYE after a lift that big though.
Merry Christmas, and GOOD LUCK!! Keep us posted!!!

--
Message posted via CarKB.com
http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200712/1

Message has been deleted

Mike Romain

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 12:37:21 PM12/26/07

to

Cool, nice present.

I would be thinking on going with new rear springs because of the
mileage. Old leaves get 'set in their ways' and don't like to get
reshaped and can easily snap. I snapped the ones in my CJ7 shortly
after I started offroading it hard.

'I' went the keeper spring route and bought new stock spring packs to go
with it. I had a truck spring shop put them in so the new leaves got
reshaped on their spring press to the proper arch, then assembled with
the top leaf replaced by the keeper so the leaf numbers are the same.

To me it was well worth having the spring shop do it because of the rust
levels and to get the arch put in the new springs. They had a bugger of
a time even with their flame wrench (acetylene torch) and heavy duty
impact hammers.

I have heard a lot of horror storied over the years about sagging
springs from kits, so figured the OEM arched was a better way to go. 8
years of heavy use later and no sag.

The lift maker thinks you can get away with the transfer case drop and
longer shackles which also affect the angle, for driveshaft angles.
They should know. If it wouldn't work, then the kit would include shims
for setting the angle and it doesn't.

It isn't likely the XJ can fit an engine lift which also changes the
angles. Wranglers can do that with a body lift.

I would check it out and then maybe save up for more mods if I got
vibration or didn't like the skid plate shims or started hitting the
skid plate. I usually do mods as needed.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com

John

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 12:48:24 PM12/26/07

to

Ok,
your call. As long as this Jeep isnt your primary ride, go ahead and play
with modifications.
However, be warned, your Jeep will begin to nickel and dime you to death.
As long as you know your Jeep is a state of mind as opposed to an
investment, have fun !!!!

"noneofyourbusiness" <top.s...@needtoknow.org> wrote in message

news:f284n3potp1eei78n...@4ax.com...

Jeff Strickland

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 1:02:37 PM12/26/07

to

"noneofyourbusiness" <top.s...@needtoknow.org> wrote in message

news:f284n3potp1eei78n...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:10:25 -0600, "John" <he...@there.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeff,
>>I was thinking the same thing. Unless this 95 XJ has undergone an engine
>>rebuild, and probably a tranny rebuild...I'm not sure it's worth the
>>effort
>>putting the lift on.
>>
>>my $.02
>>
>>John
>
> I've owned it for 2 years.
> When I bought it, the dealer claimed the engine had been rebuilt about
> 50K miles prior. Don't know about the xfr case though.

"Dealer claimed," is a red flag.

You should blow everything the dealer said out your ass, wipe, and start
clean. Seriously.

The dealer saw high mileage -- very high mileage -- and told you whatever he
had to in order to get the heap off of his lot. I'm not suggesting it is a
bad buy, I'm suggesting you change your approach to thinking that everything
is factory original, and dealinig with it on that basis until you know for
yourself that it had been worked on before you bought it.

> He also claimed the previous owner did mainly highway miles to rack up
> the almost 280K miles it had on it, and probably NEVER put it into
> 4WD.
> So far, it has been more reliable than I had expected (knocks on
> wood), and only has a few minor issues nagging me at the moment.
>

It likely has loads of highway miles, you can't get that many miles on
without going on the highway.

Mike Romain

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 1:24:53 PM12/26/07

to

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "noneofyourbusiness" <top.s...@needtoknow.org> wrote in message
> news:f284n3potp1eei78n...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:10:25 -0600, "John" <he...@there.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unless this 95 XJ has undergone an
>>> engine
>>> rebuild, and probably a tranny rebuild...I'm not sure it's worth the
>>> effort
>>> putting the lift on.
>>>
>>> my $.02
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> I've owned it for 2 years.
>> When I bought it, the dealer claimed the engine had been rebuilt about
>> 50K miles prior. Don't know about the xfr case though.
>
>
> "Dealer claimed," is a red flag.
>
> You should blow everything the dealer said out your ass, wipe, and start
> clean. Seriously.
>
> The dealer saw high mileage -- very high mileage -- and told you
> whatever he had to in order to get the heap off of his lot. I'm not
> suggesting it is a bad buy, I'm suggesting you change your approach to
> thinking that everything is factory original, and dealinig with it on
> that basis until you know for yourself that it had been worked on before
> you bought it.

There is one way to tell a lot about the engine's condition and that is
to do a compression test on it. Compression gauges are cheap and it's
easy to do. I actually did one on my CJ7's engine in the seller's
driveway before I paid him.

The auto parts stores sell compression gauges cheap. You remove the
plugs tie the throttle open or have the key turner floor it and test
them one at a time. It needs three compression hits on the gauge
usually to get top compression. Well, my gauges anyway. You then put a
tablespoon squirt of oil in each cylinder and test them again.

This comparison of wet and dry tells you how worn the rings are and the
change between cylinders indicates valve or headgasket wear. With 50 K
on it, I would expect to see little change between wet and dry.

Carl S

unread,

Dec 26, 2007, 11:23:22 PM12/26/07

to

Spacers under the engine mount on an XJ are not a good idea. The engine and
hood are all ready pretty close.

I have 6" of lift on my 2000XJ (The ones more prone to vibes) with a 1"
t-case drop, and it is fine. 4deg shim. I have an extra 3/16" drop thanks to
my full legnth frame rail stiffeners, which helps I am sure.

Carl

"RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com" <u36930@uwe> wrote in message
news:7d41fd0d32dde@uwe...

RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 1:34:29 AM12/27/07

to

I agree Mike. Also, I forgot to mention, that when I emphasized about the
sye and skid plate drop, I carelessly didn't mention that when adding the sye,
you should remove the skid plate drop. I was thinking of this as being a no
brainer, and would be done automatically, but someone who doesn't know might
leave it in place, and do the sye. The whole POINT here is CLEARANCE. the
higher the better for everything!

>> After saying all I would ever want to do is have a 2 to 3 inch lift
>> kit, "Santa" gets me a Rough Country FOUR and a half inch kit!

>[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]

>> ...
>> (95 XJ Sport, 4.0L, Auto, Part Time 4WD)

--

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 1:41:14 AM12/27/07

to

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, which of
course, I killed, now it's 12-202-247-159.client.mchsi.com New Albany,
Indiana asylum. Now's it's back in 12-202-247-159.client.mchsi.com Navarre,
Florida: http://billhughes.com/temp/24wimp.jpg IP: 66.98.244.52 It doesn't
have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Whose only way to
get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish,
where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise? Like when the other
kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play
grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote,
like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican
Chihuahua with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too.
And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as
any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi0...@4ax.com
as a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: ab...@mchsi.com,
fr...@mchsi.com, fr...@4AX.COM, ab...@aioe.org, ad...@cox.net,
ab...@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing

all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with

each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology; know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
Why don't you call my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department at
858-974-2020, maybe under the pretense of my CCW permit, they're waiting for
you. AS YOU NEED HELP!
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always and a faggot
coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!

I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:

S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrep...@shaw.ca and

24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHug...@aol.com or
LWHu...@hughes.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III

You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.

Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.

There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
faggots like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
faggot.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella, COX, and
soon the world of servers.
What are you babbling about?????
And you think the news members won't recognize your girlie writing, and
see your user names, as fake as you.
I used to pity retarded people like you, now you just make me
laugh!!!!!!

You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>

More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
My service is well documented at: http://www.billhughes.com/ARMY.htm it
is you that has the dishonorable discharge, you're a coward. Thanks 24wimp
for the reply, so as I may forward it to your faggot groups.
I repeat: You have never been in the service, much less Vietnam!!!!!!!
What a lying coward!!!!!!!
24wimp, do you really think the news members won't catch on and
recognize you're babbling on mchsi, Road Runner, news.alt.net, Newsguy
remailers, as you, the coward fag using fake names, as queer as you?
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe your lies over
any responsible man, man enough as me, to list my name and address here, and
in every place I can think of?????
Come on out here little faggot and I'll treat you like a King:
http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and your
pornography in an original post, coward

I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)

God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
news:0fb4n3pina1i87rpe...@4ax.com...
>
> Your opinion doesn't count, just like your hundreds of Harley's!

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 1:41:10 AM12/27/07

to

stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing

all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with

I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:

S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrep...@shaw.ca and

24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHug...@aol.com or
LWHu...@hughes.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III

You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.

Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.

There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
faggots like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
faggot.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella, COX, and
soon the world of servers.
What are you babbling about?????
And you think the news members won't recognize your girlie writing, and
see your user names, as fake as you.
I used to pity retarded people like you, now you just make me
laugh!!!!!!

You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>

More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
My service is well documented at: http://www.billhughes.com/ARMY.htm it
is you that has the dishonorable discharge, you're a coward. Thanks 24wimp
for the reply, so as I may forward it to your faggot groups.
I repeat: You have never been in the service, much less Vietnam!!!!!!!
What a lying coward!!!!!!!
24wimp, do you really think the news members won't catch on and
recognize you're babbling on mchsi, Road Runner, news.alt.net, Newsguy
remailers, as you, the coward fag using fake names, as queer as you?
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe your lies over
any responsible man, man enough as me, to list my name and address here, and
in every place I can think of?????
Come on out here little faggot and I'll treat you like a King:
http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and your
pornography in an original post, coward

I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)

God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message

news:8qb4n3dqh8nhv5mh3...@4ax.com...
>
> Correction, you make a Fool of yourself each time you post, and add,
> Blasphemy, Hypocrisy, Usurper.
>

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 1:41:05 AM12/27/07

to

stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing

all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with

I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:

S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrep...@shaw.ca and

24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHug...@aol.com or
LWHu...@hughes.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III

You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.

Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.

There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
faggots like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
faggot.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella, COX, and
soon the world of servers.
What are you babbling about?????
And you think the news members won't recognize your girlie writing, and
see your user names, as fake as you.
I used to pity retarded people like you, now you just make me
laugh!!!!!!

You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>

More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
My service is well documented at: http://www.billhughes.com/ARMY.htm it
is you that has the dishonorable discharge, you're a coward. Thanks 24wimp
for the reply, so as I may forward it to your faggot groups.
I repeat: You have never been in the service, much less Vietnam!!!!!!!
What a lying coward!!!!!!!
24wimp, do you really think the news members won't catch on and
recognize you're babbling on mchsi, Road Runner, news.alt.net, Newsguy
remailers, as you, the coward fag using fake names, as queer as you?
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe your lies over
any responsible man, man enough as me, to list my name and address here, and
in every place I can think of?????
Come on out here little faggot and I'll treat you like a King:
http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm
Hehehe, keep'em coming. :-) Maybe, a little more language, and your
pornography in an original post, coward

I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)

God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message

news:8uc4n3t9k0qkvp3qq...@4ax.com...
>
> "Hughes you lose", nice ring to it!
>

Pink Freud©®

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 2:50:48 AM12/27/07

to

Doesn't change the fact that your opinion /still/doesn't count.

And WHEN are going to post pix of all those hundreds of Harleys like you
said you would?

Or was that just another REALLY BIG lie?

And no, we don't want to see what you've already posted, we wanna see all
those other ones we have yet to see, but heard plenty about.

>
>
> "Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
> news:0fb4n3pina1i87rpe...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Your opinion doesn't count, just like your hundreds of Harley's!

--

Pink Freud©®

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 3:00:21 AM12/27/07

to

You <yawn!> lose.

>
>
> "Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
> news:8qb4n3dqh8nhv5mh3...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Correction, you make a Fool of yourself each time you post, and add,
>> Blasphemy, Hypocrisy, Usurper.
>>

--

Pink Freud©®

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 3:03:18 AM12/27/07

to

Hughes, you lose.

>
>
> "Dr.Neuraxis®" <D...@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
> news:8uc4n3t9k0qkvp3qq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> "Hughes you lose", nice ring to it!

Yeah, it does!!

I added a comma, just for effect.

I'd have liked to have added a coma, just for Cooyon.

noneofyourbusiness

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 11:41:08 AM12/27/07

to

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:23:22 -0800, "Carl S"
<carls...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Spacers under the engine mount on an XJ are not a good idea. The engine and
>hood are all ready pretty close.
>
>I have 6" of lift on my 2000XJ (The ones more prone to vibes) with a 1"
>t-case drop, and it is fine. 4deg shim. I have an extra 3/16" drop thanks to
>my full legnth frame rail stiffeners, which helps I am sure.
>
>Carl
>

Up until now, I've not been too extreme while off roading, but I have
been wondering about frame stiffeners. Have you really noticed any
difference in how your XJ acts with them installed?

...

[snip]

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 2:35:08 PM12/27/07

to

Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and

that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just

too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.

I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:

shaw.ca 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net

intrep...@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHug...@aol.com or LWHu...@hughes.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III

Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.

You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!!

You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way

a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>

And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling

You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>

Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? <ROTFLMAO>
Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.

I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)

SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg

God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:BillH...@billhughes.com
http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message

news:pan.2007.12.27....@trepanation.calm...

L.W.(ßill)Hughes III

unread,

Dec 27, 2007, 2:35:12 PM12/27/07