Here it is! Part II
trotsky
the way America thinks about audio. We predict that our new product
will quickly change the American landscape, and improve the quality of
you're recreational life the minute you take advantage of this offer.
First, a little background:
Many of the most successful products are discovered by accident, such
as peniccillin or the ice cream cone. While I would like to take
credit for conceptualizing the full spectrum of uses for my product, I
have to admit that only by a lucky accident was I able to discover its
full potential.
By now, I'm sure you all know that Jupiter Audio produces the world's
finest speaker. Your going to have to take my word on this, because I
didn't waste any time with elitist trends like design or testing, and
as of yet the only independent review of the speakers was commissioned
to an incompetent asshole who was unable to write the simple sentence,
"They're the best motherfucking speakers on the planet Earth!" But my
word should be sufficient on this because I have world-class ears, and
I never lie. World-class ears - world-class speakers! Makes perfect
sense, right?
Well, it was a Saturday morning. After a session of world-class sex
with my life partner (wink, wink!), I went downstairs to play some
world-class music on my world-class audio system for the benefit of my
world-class ears. Of course, the Europa speakers sounded
motherfuckingly, suberbly excellent!
I had made a cheese sandwich to tide me over until my life partner
(wink, wink!) could fry up a slab of bacon and a dozen eggs (diddling
you're ma is hungry work, you know!). With Bryan Fairy's "Positively
Fourth Street" sounding pertinent and wistful over the Europas, I
placed the sandwich on top of the speaker, and went into the kitchen
to see if my life partner understood what we were getting ready to
discuss. Well, you guys who have never received flowers at the office
know how one thing can lead to another on a Saturday morning, and
before you know it, I was back in the saddle!
After a couple minutes of serious bump and grind, motherfuck if I
didn't start smelling melted cheese! At first, I thought the combo of
my wild love making and an ugly yeast infection was producing the
smell, but then I noticed smoke coming from the listening room/broom
closet!
I ran to see what was happening, immediately saw the commercial
ramifications, and thus was born the Europa Combination Speaker/BBQ
Grill! These are now available on most internet auction boards, just
check the discount/fire sale/seconds section. Accessories including
fire exstinguishers, asbestos suits and home insurance claim forms are
available at www.jupiter-audio.com! Please check back soon, as we
will be marketing a line of special BBQ sauce, designed with the same
care and effort as the Europas!
Greg Singh
President - Jupiter Audio
Lionel
I am the general manager of French group darty "cooking" branch. I
immediatly send you a pre-order for 12 40' containers.
http://www.darty.fr/compare.asp?u=11&r=186&f=498&drct=1
trotsky
<snip>
Apparently "the Devil" has sunk so low that he's now forging posts. Sad.
George M. Middius
Gregipus stabs blindly in the dark.
> Apparently "the Devil" has sunk so low that he's now forging posts. Sad.
You so stupid, yo mama eats you're choc'lit pudding.
It wasn't "the Devil", you imbecile.
Robert Morein
"trotsky" <gms...@mail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> After a couple minutes of serious bump and grind, motherfuck if I
> didn't start smelling melted cheese! At first, I thought the combo of
> my wild love making and an ugly yeast infection was producing the
> smell, but then I noticed smoke coming from the listening room/broom
> closet!
>
> I ran to see what was happening, immediately saw the commercial
> ramifications, and thus was born the Europa Combination Speaker/BBQ
> Grill! These are now available on most internet auction boards, just
> check the discount/fire sale/seconds section.
Apparently, this alludes to what I've heard about Europas catching fire?
Does anyone have any info on what kind of amplifiers/musical material were
used when the speakers caught fire?
This is important because my brother-in-law is considering buying Europas.
God Bless, and thanks for your help.
Dogma4e
<now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Apparently, this alludes to what I've heard about Europas catching fire?
>
>Does anyone have any info on what kind of amplifiers/musical material were
>used when the speakers caught fire?
>
The Talking Heads: "Burning Down the House"
George M. Middius
Dogma4e said:
[snip]
Please don't encourage Mcfuckhead.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
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I am tired of you McCarty tactics.
Do you mean to tell us that you are no better than he is?
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Dogma4e
It doesn't look like he needs much encouragement. Matter of fact, it
is pretty interesting to watch the dynamic of Jupiter Audio's
presentation here at RAO. If you look at the first few dozen posts in
the original "Here It Is" thread, the vast majority were encouraging
and even respectful of gerg's effort. If gerg had somehow undergone a
personality transplant, he probably could have gathered good
suggestions on how to market and improve his product, and educated a
large and vocal group of people interested in audio about the benefits
of his products.
Is it any mystery that gerg's monster ego quickly turned this into a
typical RAO trotsky-bashing? (When you see me on RAO, it can only
mean that gerg is in meltdown, and I have opportunity get in a few
cheap shots).
George, would you care to speculate on what possible outcomes twatsky
had in mind when he posted up a link to his website? Could he
possibly be so deluded that he thought he would gain some modicum of
respect from the group, and you would all be out schilling Jupiters to
your friends and family?
I don't say this lightly, but anyone *in their right mind* who was
counting on income from a startup company would have handled this
situation much differently, bitten their tongue, and displayed a
little grace when less-than-perfect comments about their speakers were
posted. Gerg's overly hostile responses were bound to turn this into
yet another open trotsky season. The sad fact is that he has
abandoned all hope of a positive outcome by turning this into a review
of his ego, instead of a review of his products.
Well, as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Right, Greg?
Arny Krueger
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Bingo. Bingo squared. Good stuff.
> Well, as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Right, Greg?
Either Greg never learned this, or he has a big fat streak of
self-destructiveness. I can't think of any other explanation for his antics.
Robert Morein
A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire. There was
actually a lot of constructive criticism, which he failed to heed.
I don't think that anyone shuts the door on a reincarnation of Jupiter Audio
based on sound principles of design, as opposed to Trotsky's famous "luck."
Robert Morein
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" <idk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:VLKdnYOV1o0...@comcast.com...
> >
> > "trotsky" <gms...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f903ddf....@news.supernews.com...
> > [snip]
> > > After a couple minutes of serious bump and grind, motherfuck if I
> > > didn't start smelling melted cheese! At first, I thought the combo of
> > > my wild love making and an ugly yeast infection was producing the
> > > smell, but then I noticed smoke coming from the listening room/broom
> > > closet!
> > >
> > > I ran to see what was happening, immediately saw the commercial
> > > ramifications, and thus was born the Europa Combination Speaker/BBQ
> > > Grill! These are now available on most internet auction boards, just
> > > check the discount/fire sale/seconds section.
> > [snip]
> >
> > Apparently, this alludes to what I've heard about Europas catching fire?
> >
> > Does anyone have any info on what kind of amplifiers/musical material
were
> > used when the speakers caught fire?
> >
> > This is important because my brother-in-law is considering buying
Europas.
> >
> > God Bless, and thanks for your help.
> >
> >
>
> I am tired of you McCarty tactics.
> Do you mean to tell us that you are no better than he is?
No, I don't. I am not responsible for the sockpuppet post of the "story."
I did work off it with my reply, in my own name.
It should be obvious that my post is wicked satire, while McCarty's posts
are claims of fact.
Another thing I will now do, which McCarty would never do, shall be my
statement below:
I am not aware of any instances in which Jupiter Audio (Greg Singh's)
speakers have caught fire.
On the other hand, he's never sold a pair, so who's to say what the future
will bring?
Lionel
Smoooooooooooooke on the speakers....
George M. Middius
Dogma4e said:
> >Please don't encourage Mcfuckhead.
> It doesn't look like he needs much encouragement.
OK, let me rephrase as if you were a newbie:
It's obnoxious to encourage Bwian McCarty. Please stop.
Dogma4e
Sorry, George. I'm one-dimensional, as far as RAO is concerned and
haven't paid much attention to that particular RAO trainwreck. It
just seems our paths are pionting in the same direction for a while.
George M. Middius
Dogma4e said:
> >It's obnoxious to encourage Bwian McCarty. Please stop.
> Sorry, George. I'm one-dimensional, as far as RAO is concerned and
> haven't paid much attention to that particular RAO trainwreck. It
> just seems our paths are pionting in the same direction for a while.
Do you still enjoy apologizing for Arnii Krooger?
trotsky
Robert Morein wrote:
> A very succinct summary.
> It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
The only consolation I have is that even a whole newsgroup of beatoffs
and anonymice can't stand toe to toe with me. Oh, and that I've got an
excellent product and you don't. That's got to really burn you, eh Bob?
trotsky
Dogma4e wrote:
> Well, as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Right, Greg?
I agree with you, anonymouse. Everybody on the newsgroup should get
their chance to behave like trash, and nobody missed a turn. In one way
you're correct: this *is* about ego. I don't know why I feel compelled
to prove that I'm better than everybody else, but I certainly am here.
Now, would you care to tell the group why you are so afraid that you
have to remain an anonymous piece of trash?
George M. Middius
Gregipus takes another hit.
> I don't know why I feel compelled
> to prove that I'm better than everybody else
Is "prove" another word you're unfamiliar with?
Robert Morein
"trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Robert Morein wrote:
>
> > A very succinct summary.
> > It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>
>
> "Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
> bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
> And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
> all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
> McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
> just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
Have you noticed that you are sitting in the ashes of what was to be a
business enterprise?
Robert Morein
"George M. Middius" <Spam-...@resistance.org> wrote in message
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He seems to think "prove" is synonomous with "Greg Singh thinks".
George M. Middius
Robert Morein said:
> > Gregipus takes another hit.
> > > I don't know why I feel compelled
> > > to prove that I'm better than everybody else
> > Is "prove" another word you're unfamiliar with?
> He certainly is ignorant of the definition.
> He seems to think "prove" is synonomous with "Greg Singh thinks".
Who is this "Greg Singh" character, anyway? I'm starting to believe
somebody with a wicked sense of humor has been sockpuppeting for
years. Maybe the puppeteer made a bet on who could create the most
outrageous Usenet persona.
Dogma4e
I've come to the conclusion that everyone on RAO gets what they
deserve. And most of them are asking for it. However, I will add
that Arny has politely answered the one or two questions I have asked
that had anything to do with audio. You answered one yourself.
George M. Middius
Dogma4e said:
> >Do you still enjoy apologizing for Arnii Krooger?
> I've come to the conclusion that everyone on RAO gets what they
> deserve. And most of them are asking for it. However, I will add
> that Arny has politely answered the one or two questions I have asked
> that had anything to do with audio. You answered one yourself.
Yes, you have hit on what is perhaps Mr. Shit's only redeeming value:
Until somebody disagrees with him, corrects him, argues with him, or
otherwise impugns his "audio knowledge", he can pass for a sane human
being. Afterward, of course, the mask falls away and the awful truth
comes through in full, grotesque detail.
Dogma4e
We've been over this before, gerg. You had your chance, and you
pussed out. Live with it, loser.
Joseph Oberlander
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:18:38 -0400, George M. Middius
> <Spam-...@resistance.org> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Dogma4e said:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>>Please don't encourage Mcfuckhead.
>>
>
>
> It doesn't look like he needs much encouragement. Matter of fact, it
> is pretty interesting to watch the dynamic of Jupiter Audio's
> presentation here at RAO. If you look at the first few dozen posts in
> the original "Here It Is" thread, the vast majority were encouraging
> and even respectful of gerg's effort. If gerg had somehow undergone a
> personality transplant, he probably could have gathered good
> suggestions on how to market and improve his product,
Actually, many people, including myself gave him advice. He stuck his
head in the sand and refused to listen.
Joseph Oberlander
>
>
> Robert Morein wrote:
>
>> A very succinct summary.
>> It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>
>
>
> "Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?
Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.
That's why I speculated about other materials and those acoustic
mats.
trotsky
Interesting--which Usenet group did you use to promote your screenplays?
trotsky
Jolly good show, George--at least you have the idiots of the group to
hang with. Pun intended.
trotsky
Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> trotsky wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>
>>> A very succinct summary.
>>> It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?
>
>
> Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.
You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.
trotsky
I guess I didn't understand your last post: what do you then deserve as
an anonymouse? Be as specific as possible, please.
Dogma4e
And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab? I think they're in your neck of the woods.
Take a schematic. They will overdrive them for several hours, measure
delta T, and if they don't blow up you will have a UL listing.
Probably cost you about $2,400, and they'll let you pay ove time.
They'll want to inspect your cough, cough... factory, but they've seen
worse.
If you choose to go this route, you should get a copy of the UL
Standard (probably in the 500 series), and make sure your stuff fits
within the requirements. Are the Silver Flutes UL listed or UL
registered?
Dogma4e
Like a castle in its corner,
in a medieval game,
I forsee terrible trouble,
Yet I stay here just the same.
-- Bryan Fairy
trotsky
Dogma4e wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>>
>>>trotsky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Robert Morein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A very succinct summary.
>>>>>It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.
>>
>>
>>You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
>>yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
>>screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
>>used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
>>off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
>>briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
>>right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
>>
>>Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
>>moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.
>>
>
>
> And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
> speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
> over to Underwriter's Lab?
Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb fucking bastards that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy speakers?
Todd Samost
intelligent or not. Opinion newsgroup is fine, leave it off marketplace now.
Brian M. is starting to look good compared to you guys !
Thanks,
Todd.
Dogma4e
No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
causing some irrevocable damage.
And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
customers as "dumb fucking bastards"?
Michael Mckelvy
to stupid to know it.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
>
> "trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
> news:3F917E88...@email.com...
> >
> >
> > Robert Morein wrote:
> >
> > > A very succinct summary.
> > > It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
> >
> >
> > "Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
> > bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
> > And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
> > all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
> > McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
> > just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
>
> When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
>
How do you know? You have never heard any.
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Michael Mckelvy
>
>
> Dogma4e wrote:
>
> > Well, as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Right, Greg?
>
>
>
> I agree with you, anonymouse. Everybody on the newsgroup should get
> their chance to behave like trash, and nobody missed a turn. In one way
> you're correct: this *is* about ego. I don't know why I feel compelled
> to prove that I'm better than everybody else, but I certainly am here.
>
yehehahohehehehhahoohahehohahahahahahahohahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
hohohohohohahaha.
All this time I thought it was an act, you really are an idiot without the
least bit of introspection.
Please do yourself a favor and and stick your finger in a light socket and
turn on the juice. Maybe some shock treatment will do you some good.
George M. Middius
Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
> > When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
> How do you know? You have never heard any.
I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
Right, Bobo?
Robert Morein
Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.
They might not sound too good either, note.
Robert Morein
I'm disappointed that the core of your sales strategy is a deeply rooted
cynicism about audiophiles.
Robert Morein
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That's what I heard, and it explains a lot.
Robert Morein
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If he should start to feel some hurt, we could credit ourselves for bringing
Trotsky out of his emotional coma.
Robert Morein
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Greg, don't use your cordless screwdriver around glued-in stuffing.
You might get your finger caught in the stuffing-cum-glue, and be forced to
think of a solution.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete report,
which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
either.
Joseph Oberlander
>
> You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
> yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
> screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
> used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
> off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
> briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
> right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.
Joseph Oberlander
> And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
> speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
> over to Underwriter's Lab? I think they're in your neck of the woods.
> Take a schematic. They will overdrive them for several hours, measure
> delta T, and if they don't blow up you will have a UL listing.
> Probably cost you about $2,400, and they'll let you pay ove time.
> They'll want to inspect your cough, cough... factory, but they've seen
> worse.
Good point, actually. We all missed this. If I was selling speakers,
I'd get them tested. The bookshelves, not really required. The sub?
Absolutely. It has an amplifier, afterall, and 120VAC running to it.
Joseph Oberlander
> Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
> dumb fucking bastards that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
> speakers?
I wouldn't buy anything electric powered like your subwoofer without
a UL sticker on it.
P.S. guess what my dream job growing up was? Tester for UL labs. ;)
Hey - you get *PAID* to abuse and blow stuff up. What could be better?
Sockpuppet Yustabe
Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves, he has
brought it upon himself by his own unreasonable and impulsive behavior.
Robert Morein
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" <idk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "George M. Middius" <Spam-...@resistance.org> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
> > >
> > > > > When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
> > >
> > > > How do you know? You have never heard any.
> > >
> > > I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
> > > paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
> > > the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
> > >
> > > Right, Bobo?
> > >
> > That would be part of it.
> >
> > Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
> > actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.
> >
> > They might not sound too good either, note.
> >
> >
>
> The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete
report,
> which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
> either.
>
I think that most of us on r.a.o. are cognoscenti; we know that in any price
range, there are standouts. I stick with the standouts, and pity the poor
uninformed masses who have to deal with sales droids for their information.
I wonder how they would compare to my MB Quart 8" two ways, the European
model. They listed for $900, I got them for $300, and they were actually
designed by talented, dedicated designers.
When I say "they might not sound too good", I allow the possibility that
they might -- not likely, but might -- have sound quality similar to a set
of mediocre $500 bookshelves.
But I doubt it.
George M. Middius
Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
> Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves
I believe you made a trotsky anti-reality error there. Should read:
"the razzing of Trotsky is exactly what he deserves"
No charge.
Robert Morein
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Sockpuppet Yustabe
I got my money's worth. Such a deal.
A better deal than Jupiter speakers.
However, there are at least a hundred other pairs
of $1,300 speakers I would never buy.
dave weil
>
>
>Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>> trotsky wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>>
>>>> A very succinct summary.
>>>> It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?
>>
>>
>> Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.
>
>
>You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
>yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
>screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
>used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
>off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
>briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
>right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
This will be the special edition pair, right?
Robert Morein
>
>
> Dogma4e said:
>
> > >Do you still enjoy apologizing for Arnii Krooger?
>
> > I've come to the conclusion that everyone on RAO gets what they
> > deserve. And most of them are asking for it. However, I will add
> > that Arny has politely answered the one or two questions I have asked
> > that had anything to do with audio. You answered one yourself.
>
> Yes, you have hit on what is perhaps Mr. Shit's only redeeming value:
> Until somebody disagrees with him, corrects him, argues with him, or
> otherwise impugns his "audio knowledge", he can pass for a sane human
> being. Afterward, of course, the mask falls away and the awful truth
> comes through in full, grotesque detail.
>
There was a guy who was just like that, who lived two doors down from us on
the opposite side of the street.
Nicest guy you'd want to meet, Naglie was his nickname, exterminating was
his profession.
But argue with him about the price of gas, or democrats, and he'd start on a
rant.
He murdered three people, then killed himself, or was killed by an unknown
assailant.
Joseph Oberlander
Oh my bad. Better got UL to test your speakers, then ;)
trotsky
Please explain in detail the precautions you took to prevent your
speakers from catching fire, Mickey.
Buh-bye!
trotsky
Hey, is the flammability factor the reason why you got out of the
business, Mickey? Why are you so bound and determined to illustrate how
stupid an asshole you really are?
trotsky
This must put you in quite a bind, Art. You try to say something that's
reasonable, and then George shits all over your post by posting this
trash. When are guys going to realize it's time to give him his walking
papers?
trotsky
No doubt. And the screenplay business is full of people that are
genuine, right? When are you going to grow up, Bob? Being a perpetual
hypocrite is no way to live.
trotsky
People "concerned" with the flammability of speakers are the dumb
fucking bastards, Bob. That includes you and the anonymouse.
trotsky
Bob, are you now claiming Mickey's speakers blew up and burned people's
faces off? How much of a patsy are you trying to play the poor dumb
bastard for?
trotsky
Bob, I turn out a damned good product. You, on the other hand, are
ashamed of yours. Who's hiding his head in the sand?
Again, being a chronic hypocrite is no way to live. Middius can attest
to that.
trotsky
Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Yu-dnQemhO4...@comcast.com...
>
>>"George M. Middius" <Spam-...@resistance.org> wrote in message
>>news:osm3pv8p5t2b01ulf...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>>Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know? You have never heard any.
>>>
>>>I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
>>>paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
>>>the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
>>>
>>>Right, Bobo?
>>>
>>
>>That would be part of it.
>>
>>Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
>>actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.
>>
>>They might not sound too good either, note.
>>
>>
>
>
> The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete report,
> which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
> either.
Is this accurate dave? Stephen?
For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
special, but had a hard time communicating that fact. One indicator is
when he stopped "the Devil" dead in his tracks by telling him they were
better than Maggies that he'd heard.
trotsky
Dogma4e wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:40 GMT, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Dogma4e wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>trotsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Robert Morein wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A very succinct summary.
>>>>>>>It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
>>>>yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
>>>>screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
>>>>used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
>>>>off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
>>>>briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
>>>>right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
>>>>
>>>>Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
>>>>moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
>>>speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
>>>over to Underwriter's Lab?
>>
>>
>>Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
>>dumb fucking bastards that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy speakers?
>>
>
> No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
> companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
> causing some irrevocable damage.
>
> And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
> customers as "dumb fucking bastards"?
Of course you didn't, anonymouse. Those "concerned" (read: lying sacks
of cow dung) with the flammability of speakers are the dumb fucking
bastards. You're an anonymouse, so you're probably not to good with the
English language--Bob Morion claims to be a professional writer, and has
no excuse.
trotsky
Oh, they're razzing me? Who knew? So you're saying they're a bunch of
miserable, filthy, slimy trolls too? Mickey, did you hear what Joe
Oberlander just called you?
trotsky
Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Dogma4e wrote:
>
>> And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
>> speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
>> over to Underwriter's Lab? I think they're in your neck of the woods.
>> Take a schematic. They will overdrive them for several hours, measure
>> delta T, and if they don't blow up you will have a UL listing.
>> Probably cost you about $2,400, and they'll let you pay ove time.
>> They'll want to inspect your cough, cough... factory, but they've seen
>> worse.
>
>
> Good point, actually. We all missed this. If I was selling speakers,
> I'd get them tested.
Joe, don't you think the jig is up on the trolling?
Rich Andrews
news:ci74pvg9rdiiji2hg...@4ax.com:
That shower of sparks is a relatively low temperature occurance. Try
placing a sheet of paper in the direct path sometime. You will be
surprised.
r
--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
trotsky
Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> trotsky wrote:
>
>> Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
>> dumb fucking bastards that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
>> speakers?
>
>
> I wouldn't buy anything electric powered like your subwoofer without
> a UL sticker on it.
How do you think the amp section gets imported into this country without
a UL rating? Or are you just trolling?
trotsky
Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "Joseph Oberlander" <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:vImkb.2255$np1....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>trotsky wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
>>>yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
>>>screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
>>>used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
>>>off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
>>>briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
>>>right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
>>
>>I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
>>Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
>>people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.
>>
>
>
> Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves, he has
> brought it upon himself by his own unreasonable and impulsive behavior.
Did I miss something, Art? Are you giving a free pass that like to
"joke" about people fucking their family members, dead or alive? Please
pull your foot out of your mouth this time.
trotsky
Robert Morein wrote:
> "Sockpuppet Yustabe" <idk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3f91e...@127.0.0.1...
>
>>"Robert Morein" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:Yu-dnQemhO4...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>"George M. Middius" <Spam-...@resistance.org> wrote in message
>>>news:osm3pv8p5t2b01ulf...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sockpuppet Yustabe said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know? You have never heard any.
>>>>
>>>>I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
>>>>paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
>>>>the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
>>>>
>>>>Right, Bobo?
>>>>
>>>
>>>That would be part of it.
>>>
>>>Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
>>>actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.
>>>
>>>They might not sound too good either, note.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete
>
> report,
>
>>which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
>>either.
>>
>
> So why would I want a set of mediocre speakers for $1300?
Do you agree with this, McElroy, or are you going to bust Morion for
being the lousy troll that he is.
trotsky
Like I said, Art, George is shitting all over your posts.
trotsky
dave, I feel bad for you. You keep wanting to put your best foot
forward, and instead wind up sucking the dicks of trolls every time.
trotsky
Did killing the guy make good research for a screenplay?
dave weil
>For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
>special, but had a hard time communicating that fact.
You're wrong, of course.
Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
three weeks before the process was ended.
trotsky
I would be surprised by the number of speakers with pieces of paper
stuck in side of them, yes.
trotsky
dave weil wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:22:43 GMT, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
>>For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
>>special, but had a hard time communicating that fact.
>
>
> You're wrong, of course.
Wrong about what, dave? If you say the speakers are better than 95%
percent of the speakers on the market, and people still say that you
didn't think that they were that good, you did a piss poor job of
communicating how good the speakers really are. A train wreck.
> Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
> three weeks before the process was ended.
Zzzz/
dave weil
>> Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
>> three weeks before the process was ended.
>
>
>Zzzz/
Acknowlegement that you lied noted.
So don't trot out that saw that you trot out occasionally that you
nver lie.
George M. Middius
Gregipus yearns to be a star.
> > He murdered three people, then killed himself, or was killed by an unknown
> > assailant.
> Did killing the guy make good research for a screenplay?
Bobo, Gregipus is volunteering to continue the same line of research.
George M. Middius
Gregipus claws desperately for the tiniest shred of support.
> > I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
> > paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
> > the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
> This must put you in quite a bind, Art. You try to say something that's
> reasonable, and then George shits all over your post by posting this
> trash. When are guys going to realize it's time to give him his walking
> papers?
How's the ass-licking working out for you, Mommyfucker? Persuaded
anybody to line up with you against reason and common sense?
Sockpuppet Yustabe
I think that a verbal trashing of your speakers is a much
more serious matter than allegations of your mommy fucking.
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George M. Middius
Gay Gregipus minced:
> sucking the dicks
Do you still have the little dresses Jocasta made you wear when you
were a weeny little fag-to-be?
MiNE 109
wrote:
Hi! I'm on record as not despising your markup and holding out hope that
your speakers sound good.
Stephen
Dogma4e
>
>
> You're an anonymouse, so you're probably not to good with the
>English language--
>
"... not *to* good ..." - priceless, gerg!
trotsky
Would I kill Bob Morion? No, it wouldn't even be worth the clean up time.
trotsky
George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Gregipus claws desperately for the tiniest shred of support.
>
>
>>>I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
>>>paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
>>>the Mommyfucker's twisted psyche.
>>
>
>
>>This must put you in quite a bind, Art. You try to say something that's
>>reasonable, and then George shits all over your post by posting this
>>trash. When are guys going to realize it's time to give him his walking
>>papers?
>
>
> How's the ass-licking working out for you, Mommyfucker?
Sounds like you're feeling the pinch, George. Usually you have to pay a
cover charge for that.
George M. Middius
Gregipus tries some fatty, faggy humor:
> >>Did killing the guy make good research for a screenplay?
> > Bobo, Gregipus is volunteering to continue the same line of research.
> Would I kill Bob Morion?
Bobo is the researcher, Gerg.
George M. Middius
Gregipus declares defeat.
> > How's the ass-licking working out for you, Mommyfucker?
> Sounds like you're feeling the pinch, George.
Maybe to you. To the rest of us, you're desperately scrabbling for
some tiny shred of support, as usual.
trotsky
Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
> "trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
> news:3F928409...@email.com...
>
>>
>>Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
>>
>>>"Joseph Oberlander" <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:vImkb.2255$np1....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>trotsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
>>>>>yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
>>>>>screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
>>>>>used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
>>>>>off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
>>>>>briefly wondered if one of you dumb fucking bastards might've been
>>>>>right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.
>>>>
>>>>I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
>>>>Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
>>>>people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves, he has
>>>brought it upon himself by his own unreasonable and impulsive behavior.
>>
>>
>>Did I miss something, Art? Are you giving a free pass that like to
>>"joke" about people fucking their family members, dead or alive? Please
>> pull your foot out of your mouth this time.
>>
>
>
> I think that a verbal trashing of your speakers is a much
> more serious matter than allegations of your mommy fucking.
Okay, if that really is your opinion. Basically, I see it this way: we
are currently involved in the worst behavior ever seen on this
newsgroup, not because it is directed at me, but because the guys
involved are strictly bottom of the barrel. A lot of the more
intelligent and reasonable guys have already left, leaving the white
trash now posting. (I'm not talking about the two of us, I'm talking
about the guys trolling me about the speakers.) The second worst
chapter in this group was when Arny's kid died, the two worst
perpetrators being Middius and "the Devil". Unfortunately, because of
the cliqueish nature of these newsgroups, nothing of consequence has
been said about these clique members.
Unfortunately, one thing isn't clear: your above post comments on *my*
behavior, but when pressed to comment on the behavior of others it's
suddenly about my speakers. Either you choose to comment on others'
behavior or you don't. Which is it?
trotsky
George, how many times are you going to be a gay apologist?
dave weil
Really now? What's your limit? Is there *still* a glowing stamp on the
back of your hand at the moment?
dave weil
>The second worst
>chapter in this group was when Arny's kid died, the two worst
>perpetrators being Middius and "the Devil". Unfortunately, because of
>the cliqueish nature of these newsgroups, nothing of consequence has
>been said about these clique members.
Didn't you fall right into this?
Don't lie now.
dave weil
Maybe as long as he's gay.
When are you finally going to come out of the closet, Greg?
George M. Middius
Gregipus tries to cut his peepee off.
> > Gay Gregipus minced:
> >>sucking the dicks
Are you aware that question makes no sense at all?
Regardless, the group now has you pegged as a terminal closet case.
You say you want intimacy with females, but the only one you've been
able to score with is your mommy. You have referred to "sucking dicks"
or "dick sucking" more times, by a large margin, than everybody else
on RAO put together. You have made more homophobic remarks, again by a
large margin, than everybody else put together. These behaviors mark
you as a classic closet case.
Do you frequent tearooms? Do you invent excuses to cruise the local
mall? Do you wear your mommy's clothes when you're alone?
If you're unable to answer these pointed questions, don't worry -- we
all know the reason why.
0
trotsky
Works for me.
trotsky
Anything to duck the issue, anonyshit!
trotsky
That's an odd way of describing your shitting all over Sackman's posts.
And isn't it always the losers of the newgroup that presume to speak
for "the rest of us"?
George M. Middius
Desperate seeking affirmation, Gregipus tries to cut out his liver
with a rusty spoon.
> >>>How's the ass-licking working out for you, Mommyfucker?
> >>Sounds like you're feeling the pinch, George.
> > Maybe to you. To the rest of us, you're desperately scrabbling for
> > some tiny shred of support, as usual.
> That's an odd way of describing your shitting all over Sackman's posts.
Indeed, it is a very odd way of doing that. Can you guess why?
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra
>Okay, if that really is your opinion. Basically, I see it this way: we
>are currently involved in the worst behavior ever seen on this
>newsgroup, not because it is directed at me, but because the guys
>involved are strictly bottom of the barrel. A lot of the more
>intelligent and reasonable guys have already left, leaving the white
>trash now posting. (I'm not talking about the two of us, I'm talking
>about the guys trolling me about the speakers.) The second worst
>chapter in this group was when Arny's kid died, the two worst
>perpetrators being Middius and "the Devil". Unfortunately, because of
>the cliqueish nature of these newsgroups, nothing of consequence has
>been said about these clique members.
>
>Unfortunately, one thing isn't clear: your above post comments on *my*
>behavior, but when pressed to comment on the behavior of others it's
>suddenly about my speakers. Either you choose to comment on others'
>behavior or you don't. Which is it?
You're trying rather hard to manipulate Art into supporting you,
aren't you? Your attempts to similarly manipulate Paul failed. If you
recall, it was your attempt to manipulate me into lying and saying you
were right about the Stereophile RC list wording that sent us on our
separate ways. Until that moment, you were quite cool with the Arnii
dead-son fucking material. You only bring it up because you know that
I regret having said some of the things I said at that time. I find it
amusing to see you keep harping on about it now when you and I both
know you've said he deserved everything he got.
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