Why people buy those lousy Bose speakers another opinion
Doug Stabler
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Subject: Why people buy those lousy Bose speakers
Hey folks,
I've been in the speaker world for 18 years, three of them as a
professional driver designer.
During my life, I've mostly had a healthy disdain for Bose. But I've
also read Rex Turner and
Doug Pearl's astute comments and I have some of my own to add.
During my Jensen days, when people would find out that I designed
speakers, the most common
response was, "What do you think of those new Bose [AM5] speakers?"
Which translated, means: "as a professional speaker designer, can you
comment on their wonderful
breakthrough technology and the thunderous bass that comes from those
tiny little cubes?"
At the time, I viewed the AM5's as the incarnation of a lie, designed to
soak innocent people for
seven hundred bucks. A fantastic racket on Bose's part, considering
what I estimated it cost to
manufacture them.
I often told people what I thought, too.
A couple of times, though, I had to remove my foot from my mouth when I
learned that the person I
was speaking to owned a pair.
The last time this happened was only a year ago -- with a new business
partner which I would
prefer to have not insulted. (I found out later that evening when I
joined him and his wife, in
their home, for dinner - and saw the Bose speakers mounted on his wall!)
Now for the last 5 years I've been out of the audio engineering business
and in the profession of
sales and marketing (software company, specifically).
During my first two years in sales, I had the exquisite privilege of
living on baloney sandwiches
and Ramen soup, if you know what I mean.
Things finally started to turn around for me when I got through my thick
head, something that in
hindsight, I realize that Bose clearly understands, and has understood
for many years:
DON'T SELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU THINK THEY "SHOULD" WANT.
SELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
That, my friends, is what Bose does.
Do most people WANT flat frequency response?
No.
Do most people WANT "inter-transient silence"?
No.
Do most people WANT phase coherence, imaging that's precise to the
twelfth decimal place, or
superior impulse response?
No.
(Not that most speakers at a Stereophile show can actually deliver those
things either, either, by
the way...)
What do people want?
Small, unobtrusive design. Exciting sound. Glamorous, impressive
technology that will make their
friends envious.
Oh yes, don't forget: They also want speakers that make their wives
Amorous.
NHT 3.3's or Thiel CS5.0's don't have that effect on most wives.
You have to learn to enjoy having sex with the speakers instead, if
that's what you've just spent
your money on.
Bose gives the people exactly what they want, including the Amorous wife
part.
Everybody else gives 'em a woofer, a tweeter, and a simulated woodgrain
box. Do an A/B with all
those non-Bose $600 speakers on the showroom floor, and they all sound
fairly similar to each
other, now that most speaker manufacturers finally know how to get a
reasonably flat frequency
response.
How exciting.
What Bose delivers is not what I want. It's not what any of you want,
either. But it's what most
people want.
And by the way, let me comment on the Bose PRO speakers, since that's
also been discussed.
I've had two experiences.
The first was with the Bose 402's, which have four 4.5" drivers in a
cabinet that's probably only
6" x 6" x 30". They look terrific and very unobtrusive on a pair of
stands in a church. I did
sound for a choir tour, and we used them with a Peavey 100 watt mixer.
In that environment, the 17dB (!) of gain necessary to equalize them
wasn't a big problem, and
they were really an excellent solution. I'd say that in most cases they
sounded better than a 12"
two way with a horn would have sounded.
They were what church people wanted.
The other experience was with the 402's big brother, the Bose 802's
which everyone is familiar
with. This was in a church that seated 2200 people in a huge
semicircle.
Three sets of two 802's stacked (six total) covered that auditorium
significantly better than the
offerings by JBL or EV. They used those speakers for at least 10 years,
and they did a good job.
They must have wanted those, too.
Tom Nousaine once told me about visiting Bose in Framingham, MA, meeting
Amar in person, and
listening to an amazing DSP based concert hall architectural simulation
software/hardware system
they had developed.
Very impressive, state of the art technology, according to Tom. And if
you know Tom, he's got the
best BS detector in audiodom.
My point is they have the technology; you can't say they don't. They DO
know acoustics inside and
out.
But they use their technology to "give the people what they want." And
they make a ton of money
doing so.
OK, so does that make them whores?
Perhaps. But they're fantastically wealthy whores with happy customers,
who get more respect out
there in the world than all the other speaker guys get.
There's a lot to be said for that.
By the way, Alan -- if you really like the girl, you should make her a
set of speakers similar to
those cute Bose speakers.
Perry Sink
PS: I think most high end audio manufacturers are whores, too. They
sell five hundred dollar
speaker cables.
BUT... Give them credit. At least the people WANT the cables.
> > > If you really want the truth, more people have bought 'em (Bose)
> > > for
> > > the rebate than for any other reason.
> >
> > Being a bachelor, I occasionally go out on blind dates. During last
> > week's date the
> conversation somehow touched on audio. When my lovely date learned
> that I build my own
> speakers, she exclaimed: "Oh, how exciting! Can you make a set
> similar to those cute Bose
> speakers?" Arg!!! Is there such a thing as a "deaf date"?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alan
>
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stephen campbell
>What Bose delivers is not what I want. It's
>not what any of you want, either. But it's
>what most
>people want.
How do you figure? If I'm not mistaken even McFarty claims they have a
30% market share, doesn't this mean that the majority(70%) don't buy
Bose?
Camfella
George M. Middius
> >What Bose delivers is not what I want. It's
> >not what any of you want, either. But it's
> >what most
> >people want.
> How do you figure? If I'm not mistaken even McFarty claims they have a
> 30% market share, doesn't this mean that the majority(70%) don't buy
> Bose?
Maybe a lot of the 70% who "settle" for junk that's not as
overpriced would really rather have a Bose.
George M. Middius
stephen campbell
>Maybe a lot of the 70% who "settle" for
>junk that's not as overpriced would really
>rather have a Bose.
If this were true, Bose would be wise to lower their prices.
Camfella
George M. Middius
> >Maybe a lot of the 70% who "settle" for
> >junk that's not as overpriced would really
> >rather have a Bose.
> If this were true, Bose would be wise to lower their prices.
Oh, no, that can't be right. Birdhouses are "high end" speakers. You
don't get that kind of quality cheap.
George M. Middius
Howard Ferstler
>
> Doug Stabler wrote;
>
> >What Bose delivers is not what I want. It's
> >not what any of you want, either. But it's
> >what most
> >people want.
> 30% market share, doesn't this mean that the majority(70%) don't buy
> Bose?
This is hair splitting. A 30 percent share indicates that
Bose is absolutely burying the competition. (I would imaging
that the biggest competitor Bose has is not one of the
supposed major mainstream audio outfits, but is probably
Radio Shack.) In addition, just because they "only" have a
30 percent share does not mean that only 30 percent of their
potential customers like Bose. It just means that not
everybody who would like Bose speakers would have been
exposed to them - or have even heard of them at all.
Howard Ferstler
Arny Krueger
"stephen campbell" <Camf...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:892-39A...@storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Doug Stabler wrote;
>
> >What Bose delivers is not what I want. It's
> >not what any of you want, either. But it's
> >what most
> >people want.
> How do you figure? If I'm not mistaken even McFarty claims they
have a
> 30% market share, doesn't this mean that the majority(70%) don't
buy
> Bose?
30% market share for Bose?
LOL.
The loudspeaker market is fantastically fragmented. This has been
true for decades.
Figuring what the shares of the loudspeaker market Bose has is very
complex because none of the players including Bose have purely
loudspeaker businesses. If you sift that down to loudspeakers for
home audio, then it is really hard to tell.
Bose's gross (including home electronics, professional audio, and car
sound) is just over a $billion.
Harmon International is more than 50% larger than Bose at just under
1.7 $billion. Please see
http://www.harman.com/fp/index.jsp?articleId=77 .
Recoton is somewhat under Bose at just over half a $billion. Please
see http://biz.yahoo.com/e/l/r/rcot.html
Between them they have less than 4% of the market. I think they night
be the top 3 largest players.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/l/r/rcot.html says that the Recoton thinks the
entire market is about 86 $billion. Making false claims on 10K
reports is not really smart, and more tightly regulated than annual
reports, so I think this is a credible number.
What is 1/86, which is the Bose share? A little less than 1.25%,
right?
Jms ent
>30% market share for Bose?
>
>LOL.
Agreed. Where did this 30% figure come from?
Steve Zipser
says...
From the blunder from down under - who else?
Arny Krueger
"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B5C7D200.38AD5%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> in article Lhao5.7608$QW4....@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com, Arny
Krueger at
> ar...@flash.net wrote on 21/8/00 23:38:
>
> > 30% market share for Bose?
> >
> > LOL.
>
TWICE, which
> tracks these sorts of things.
OK I'm sitting with my web browser at
http://www.twice.com/html/statistics.html . I see no relevant
statistics. What next?
> > Harman International is more than 50% larger than Bose at just
under
> > 1.7 $billion.
> Harman sells FAR MORE electronics, including massive amounts of pro
audio and studio gear.
So you say. However, I don't see Harman doing anything anything like
Boses direct mass merchandisking of "Wave Radios" on TV.
> > Recoton is somewhat under Bose at just over half a $billion.
Please
> > see http://biz.yahoo.com/e/l/r/rcot.html
> Since when is $500,000,000. "just under" a billion.
I never said "just under a billion". You been going to the "John
Atkinson School of Deceptive Quoting"? ;-)
> > Between them they have less than 4% of the market. I think they
night be the top 3 largest players.
> Your math is pretty wacky, Arny.
Mr. McCarty, my posts based on cited references that contain relevant
statistics. AFAIK, yours have not shown any independent sources of
relevant facts or statistics at all.
Randy Howard
> > Your math is pretty wacky, Arny.
>
> Mr. McCarty, my posts based on cited references that contain relevant
> statistics. AFAIK, yours have not shown any independent sources of
> relevant facts or statistics at all.
Ahh, but that's how you know it is the real McCarty instead of
a sockpuppet. If "he" actually posts something with concrete
information and data, you know it is a sockpuppet.
--
Randy Howard
trotsky
Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> "Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
> news:B5C7DF49.38B4B%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> > in article FJgo5.7703$QW4.1...@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com, Arny
> Krueger at
> > ar...@flash.net wrote on 22/8/00 6:58:
> >
> > > OK I'm sitting with my web browser at
> > > http://www.twice.com/html/statistics.html . I see no relevant
> > > statistics. What next?
> >
> > The TWICE website doesn't publish their SOURCEBOOKS. Go to the
> library.
>
> Sorry. TWICE is so well known and popular that the Grosse Pointe
> Public Library system knows nothing about them.
Arnii, the whole group knows that you are fucked in the head and all,
but do you really think that the Goose Point Library is any kind of
gauge of anything? Take as much time as you need.
Arny Krueger
"Randy Howard" <rhowa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.140b77cc7...@news.us.dell.com...
IME, a McCarty post with concrete information is equally improbable
either way. ;-(
Arny Krueger
"Brian L. McCarty" <opera...@worldjazz.com> wrote in message
news:B5C7DF49.38B4B%opera...@worldjazz.com...
> in article FJgo5.7703$QW4.1...@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com, Arny
Krueger at
> ar...@flash.net wrote on 22/8/00 6:58:
>
> > OK I'm sitting with my web browser at
> > http://www.twice.com/html/statistics.html . I see no relevant
> > statistics. What next?
>
> The TWICE website doesn't publish their SOURCEBOOKS. Go to the
library.
Sorry. TWICE is so well known and popular that the Grosse Pointe
Public Library system knows nothing about them.
> > So you say. However, I don't see Harman doing anything anything
like
> > Boses direct mass merchandisking of "Wave Radios" on TV.
> Harman direct markets in other countries outside the U.S. Not that
it
> matters much to your spurious arguments.
Spurious arguements? What about your intentional misquoting Mr.
McCarty?
> > Mr. McCarty, my posts based on cited references that contain
relevant
> > statistics. AFAIK, yours have not shown any independent sources
of
> > relevant facts or statistics at all.
> "Statistics" encompass more than just the internet, Arny. Try
casting your
> net a little wider before shooting your foot off.
When did I say that "statistics" is limited to just the Internet? I
didn't did I. So, Mr. McCarty we see that you are another person who
starts making obvious, pathetic false claims when backed into a
corner.
BTW, before you start shooting your mouth off about the inadequacies,
why not be a dear and show, via a quote from TWICE that your town's
library system can do better.
MrHONESTY
Arny Krueger wrote in message
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George M. Middius
> Gee Krooturd, where does that leave you? Impossible perhaps????
The consensus of the day is "inconceivable".
George M. Middius
Peter Corey
"Brian L. McCarty" wrote:
>
> in article 39A122DF...@mailer.fsu.edu, Howard Ferstler at
> hfer...@mailer.fsu.edu wrote on 21/8/00 22:38:
>
> > This is hair splitting. A 30 percent share indicates that
> > Bose is absolutely burying the competition.
>
> publication) you would realize what an astounding achievement this is,
> compared to EVERY OTHER product line.
>
> For example, on CD players Sony, the market leader has only 13% of the
> market. This kind of statistic is true for EVERY OTHER product catagory,
> other than speakers.
>
> Zipser is a liar http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=369217967
> Zipser is a scammer http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=368363274
> Zipser is a cheater http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
> Zipser is a THIEF http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=509980240
> Zippie SOCKPUPPETS http://dejanews.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=374900703
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From: George M. Middius glan...@ipo.net
Date: 8/22/00 7:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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MrHONESTY said:
George M. Middius>>
I've been reading some your post and I find you to be one of the most
disrespectful individuals posting in this group. You should have some respect
for the some of the experts that come in here and share their knowledge about
audio. Even if you passionately disagree, you still should respect the experts.
Calling someone "Krooturd" is nasty and mean spirited, especially someone who
must be recognized as one the experts.
Arny Krueger
"Zakhann" <zak...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000827034055...@ng-fd1.aol.com...
There are two aspects of Mr. Middius's RAO career:
(1) Nasty, mean-spirited posts about a wide range of subjects, a very
few relating to audio.
(2) Nasty, mean-spirited posts complaining about other people's s
purportedly nasty, mean-spirited posts.
George M. Middius
individual. Zakhann said:
> > > Gee Krooturd, where does that leave you? Impossible perhaps????
> > The consensus of the day is "inconceivable".
> I've been reading some your post and I find you to be one of the most
> disrespectful individuals posting in this group. You should have some respect
> for the some of the experts that come in here and share their knowledge about
> audio. Even if you passionately disagree, you still should respect the experts.
> Calling someone "Krooturd" is nasty and mean spirited, especially someone who
> must be recognized as one the experts.
If I had sought advice from the likes of you, this bit would far
exceed my expectations.
But good job on the overt irony.
George M. Middius
George M. Middius
> There are two aspects of Mr. Middius's RAO career:
You're so twisted it's fun to mock you. You've the meaningless
phrase "RAO career" several times before. You also think that your
lying, distorting, and other tricks are part of some legitimate
vocation you call "the debating trade". And then there's your
almost daily defecations on the English language.
Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
George M. Middius
Arny Krueger
"George M. Middius" <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message
news:435iqsgvefcdr1699...@4ax.com...
Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
George M. Middius
> There are two aspects of Mr. Middius's RAO career:
You're so twisted it's fun to mock you. You've used the
meaningless phrase "RAO career" several times before. You also
think that your lying, distorting, and other tricks are part of
some legitimate vocation you call "the debating trade". And then
there's your almost daily defecations on the English language.
Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
George M. Middius
George M. Middius
> > Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
> Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
When will you be bringing "it" to market, Mr. Feces?
George M. Middius
Trotsky
Zakhann wrote:
>
>
> I've been reading some your post and I find you to be one of the most
> disrespectful individuals posting in this group. You should have some respect
> for the some of the experts that come in here and share their knowledge about
> audio. Even if you passionately disagree, you still should respect the experts.
> Calling someone "Krooturd" is nasty and mean spirited, especially someone who
> must be recognized as one the experts.
On turds? Definitely!
Trotsky
"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Arnii, are you running a quart high, by any chance?
>
> > There are two aspects of Mr. Middius's RAO career:
>
> You're so twisted it's fun to mock you. You've the meaningless
> phrase "RAO career" several times before. You also think that your
> lying, distorting, and other tricks are part of some legitimate
> vocation you call "the debating trade". And then there's your
> almost daily defecations on the English language.
>
> Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
"Turds Syndrome", I believe.
Bill Watkins
says...
>>"George M. Middius" <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message
>>news:435iqsgvefcdr1699...@4ax.com...
>> Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
>Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
---
A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
Thusly horse's ass rules with the Middiot.
Bill Watkins
Trotsky
Bill Watkins wrote:
>
> In article <kQ8q5.16027$QW4.1...@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, ar...@flash.net
> says...
>
> >>"George M. Middius" <Glan...@ipo.net> wrote in message
> >>news:435iqsgvefcdr1699...@4ax.com...
> >> Do they have a name for what's wrong with you?
>
> >Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
>
> ---
>
> A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
Bill, a horse's ass and sanity are not diametric opposites. Back to the
drawing board, buddy!
George M. Middius
> > >Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
> > A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
> Bill, a horse's ass and sanity are not diametric opposites. Back to the
> drawing board, buddy!
It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
full extent of Krooger's fecality.
George M. Middius
Trotsky
True, but you have to cut the guy some slack: look at the heady company
he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
Curly, and Shemp.
Bill Watkins
>> >Arny Krueger said:
>> >Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
>>
>> Bill Watkins said:
>> A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
>Greg sihgh said:
>Bill, a horse's ass and sanity are not diametric opposites. Back to the
>drawing board, buddy!
>George Middius said:
>It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
>full extent of Krooger's fecality.
>George M. Middius
---
OK Greg, if you say so, but I saw it as an "oxymoronic situation".
Nonetheless, please allow me to restate:
"A horse's ass with sanity? That would be mutually exclusive."
BTW, Is fecality in the Middiot dictionary?.
Bill Watkins
Steve Zipser
Its Sunday and Greg Stinkh and Willie Whoopiecushion are making goo goo at
each other!! Aint that cute?
Misery loves company!
"Trotsky" <gsi...@mc.net> wrote in message news:39A99258...@mc.net...
>
>
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
> >
> > Trotsky said:
> >
> > > > >Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
> >
> > > > A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
> >
> > > Bill, a horse's ass and sanity are not diametric opposites. Back to
the
> > > drawing board, buddy!
> >
> > It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
> > full extent of Krooger's fecality.
>
>
>
>
Bill Watkins
>> Middiot said:
>> It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
>> full extent of Krooger's fecality.
>
>True, but you have to cut the guy some slack: look at the heady company
>he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
>was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
>recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
>Curly, and Shemp.
---
Mr. Krueger's "fecality" seems to be an obsession with
your bone-headed crowd, however I'll put my money on
his integrity as opposed to your guys any day of the
week. In actuality, you guys can't outwit him, so you
take the puerile approach of personal insults. Too bad.
Bill Watkins
Trotsky
Steve Zipser wrote:
>
> Wow!
> Its Sunday and Greg Stinkh and Willie Whoopiecushion are making goo goo at
> each other!! Aint that cute?
> Misery loves company!
Your reading comprehension is this thread is about as good as when
you're reading your wife's articles, Gyppy. In short, you lose again!
Trotsky
Booby, are you trying to talk tough with me? Are you kidding me?
Riddle me this, Booby: how is it that someone confused enough to state
that being a horse's ass--a euphemism for being stupid--is mutually
exclusive with sanity, is qualified to state when someone has been
outwitted? From where I'm sitting the only thing you are qualified for
is determining when someone is being as *nit*witted as you. Do you care
to refute this claim?
Steve Zipser
"Trotsky" <gsi...@mc.net> wrote in message news:39A9A8B4...@mc.net...
Kiss his ass a little more Sinkhy ;-)
George M. Middius
> > It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
> > full extent of Krooger's fecality.
> True, but you have to cut the guy some slack: look at the heady company
> he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
> was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
> recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
> Curly, and Shemp.
Were there six Stooges, by any chance? You left off Boring Dreary
Bald Old Clerkie and Bosey the Bigot -- both intellectual giants
who walk the Earth in our time.
George M. Middius
Bill Watkins
>Greg Singh said:
>True, but you have to cut the guy some slack: look at the heady company
>he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
>was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
>recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
>Curly, and Shemp.
>Steve Zipser said:
>Wow!
>Its Sunday and Greg Stinkh and Willie Whoopiecushion are making goo goo at
>each other!! Aint that cute?
>Misery loves company!
---
Zipzer's apprehensive lest you become Borgish,
Mr. Singh. So what now?
Bill Watkins
Peter Corey
> >> It's easy to see why Booby is confused. He still doesn't grasp the
> >> full extent of Krooger's fecality.
>
> >
> >he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
> >was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
> >recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
> >Curly, and Shemp.
>
>
> Mr. Krueger's "fecality" seems to be an obsession with
> your bone-headed crowd, however I'll put my money on
> his integrity as opposed to your guys any day of the
> week. In actuality, you guys can't outwit him, so you
> take the puerile approach of personal insults. Too bad.
>
RAO !!
Bill Watkins
>Booby, are you trying to talk tough with me? Are you kidding me?
>Riddle me this, Booby: how is it that someone confused enough to state
>that being a horse's ass--a euphemism for being stupid--is mutually
>exclusive with sanity, is qualified to state when someone has been
>outwitted? From where I'm sitting the only thing you are qualified for
>is determining when someone is being as *nit*witted as you. Do you care
>to refute this claim?
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This reply is in the new thread, Mr. singh.
Please reply there. TIA
Twats, you are the nitwitted one, and here's why:
By your definition above, a horse's ass means stupid.
Stupid is defined as given to unintelligent decisions.
Sanity is defined as soundness of judgement.
Mutually exclusive means the occurrence of one excludes
the possibility of the other, or incompatible, therefore:
Stupid (given to unintelligent decisions) is mutually
exclusive with sanity (sound judgement).
Now that you know what mutually exclusive means, do
you need a definition of nitwitted? Hint... do you
have a mirror? Otherwise, imagine yourself as being
the Middiot.
Bill Watkins
MrHONESTY
Fear3000
>Were there six Stooges, by any chance? You left off Boring Dreary
>Bald Old Clerkie and Bosey the Bigot -- both intellectual giants
>who walk the Earth in our time.
I read a bit of RAHE yesterday, and our own Fester seems to be aligned with
Arn, Stewart and Dick Pierce. Not that I found it terribly surprising, after
all, Fester's long earned to be considered a "scientist";-), but I have a hard
time believing that the other chaps I mentions feel any pride by being included
in the same insipid mix as a disgruntled library clerk.
Best Wishes,
Felix
Hector Orendain
and all you do is insult each other. Get a life!!!
MrHONESTY wrote in message ...
Steve Zipser
parts and drivers. They are grossly innaccurate. There are many other
companies making much better speakers for less money - PSB, Paradigm,
Definitive Technology, NHT, Boston Acoustics, Energy to name a few.
And calling people stupid, when you are trying to get some useful
information do you can convert yourself from ignorant to informed is not
going to go to far.
Take a couple of your favorite CD's, and listen to them on a Bose system.
Then listen to them on an equivalently priced PSB system for example.
The Bose will be eliminated from your wish list in about two seconds
flat.
Cheers
Zip
In article <8oe0c4$a...@dispatch.concentric.net>, hec...@konkausa.com
says...
> You stupid people, I'm trying to get some expert feedback on Bose systems
> and all you do is insult each other. Get a life!!!
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George M. Middius
> You stupid people, I'm trying to get some expert feedback on Bose systems
> and all you do is insult each other. Get a life!!!
The experts say.... Sell! Sell! Sell!
George M. Middius
Stephen McElroy
<hec...@konkausa.com> wrote:
> You stupid people, I'm trying to get some expert feedback on Bose systems
> and all you do is insult each other. Get a life!!!
What, you want they should insult you instead?
Isn't B*se in the FAQ?
Stephen
Howard Ferstler
> I read a bit of RAHE yesterday, and our own Fester seems to be aligned with
> Arn, Stewart and Dick Pierce. Not that I found it terribly surprising, after
> all, Fester's long earned to be considered a "scientist";-),
I believe you mean "yearned," even though I have worked to
earn some decent credentials. In any case, regarding my urge
to be a scientist: no. I am more than happy to be a
popularizer who dabbles a bit with the technology (and does
some consumer-mazine equipment and software reviews, plus
some consumer-related commentary columns) and lets other
people do the serious research. Look at me the same way you
would a good news reporter.
> but I have a hard
> time believing that the other chaps I mentions feel any pride by being included
> in the same insipid mix as a disgruntled library clerk.
Well, let those who want to know what is involved just hop
over to RAH-E and take a look around for themselves.
Howard Ferstler
George M. Middius
> In any case, regarding my urge to be a scientist:
> no. I am more than happy to be a popularizer
When do you plan on starting, Howie? It's pretty clear you've
gotten over the hump on being a "bore Rationals to death with
life-sucking droning" maven. Isn't it time yet to move on to your
true goal?
George M. Middius
TheCentralSc...@pobox.com
>You stupid people, I'm trying to get some expert feedback on Bose systems
>and all you do is insult each other. Get a life!!!
pot.kettle.black
Howard Ferstler
>
> Howard Ferstler said:
>
> > In any case, regarding my urge to be a scientist:
> > no. I am more than happy to be a popularizer
> When do you plan on starting, Howie?
Just because I am not "popular" with you and a few other
daydreaming, internet goofballs does not mean that I am not
popular, George.
Of course, when I used the term "popularizer," I did not
really mean that I was necessarily popular. I only meant
that I try to explain audio in ways that would make the
information more palatable to those who prefer reasonably
concise and accurate, consumer-related answers, rather than
scientific treatises.
I will leave the scientific analysis of scientific treatises
to you, George.
Howard Ferstler
Author of The Home Theater Companion
(Schirmer Books, 1997, 437 pages: a book
that popularizes certain scientific ideas
about audio, and nothing more)
George M. Middius
> > > In any case, regarding my urge to be a scientist:
> > > no. I am more than happy to be a popularizer
> > When do you plan on starting, Howie?
> Just because I am not "popular" with you and a few other
> daydreaming, internet goofballs does not mean that I am not
> popular, George.
Oh, dear. I didn't mean to hurt your populist feelings, Clerkie.
> Of course, when I used the term "popularizer," I did not
> really mean that I was necessarily popular.
Then why did you start off by making excuses for your
unpopularity? Are you having trouble staying awake?
> I only meant
> that I try to explain audio in ways that would make the
> information more palatable to those who prefer reasonably
> concise and accurate, consumer-related answers, rather than
> scientific treatises.
If your verbal upchucking is "concise and accurate," then Arnii
Krooger is the reincarnation of Laurence Olivier.
> I will leave the scientific analysis of scientific treatises
> to you, George.
If you're talking about Phoebe, I've completed my analysis of
her, thank you.
George M. Middius
Randy Howard
> Look at me the same way you would a good news reporter.
No. I look at you more of an audio version of Sally, or Phil Donahue
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Steve Zipser
rhowa...@yahoo.com says...
> In article <39AA93FB...@mailer.fsu.edu>, hfer...@mailer.fsu.edu says...
> > Look at me the same way you would a good news reporter.
>
> No. I look at you more of an audio version of Sally, or Phil Donahue
Hell, Howard Ferstler is more like Howard Stern after a frontal lobotomy
Joe Duffy
>
>
>"George M. Middius" wrote:
>>
>> Trotsky said:
>>
>> > > >Sanity. Try it sometime Mr. Middius, you may like it.
>>
>> > > A horse's ass with sanity? That would be an oxymoron.
>>
>> > Bill, a horse's ass and sanity are not diametric opposites. Back to the
>> > drawing board, buddy!
>>
>> full extent of Krooger's fecality.
>
>
>
>
>True, but you have to cut the guy some slack: look at the heady company
>he's with in that department: Tom Albertzheimers, Paula "Who said audio
>was the topic?" Wagnerette, Mickey McKelvy aka choadsmoker, and the
>recently deposed sockpoopet toony looban. Put another way: Moe, Larry,
>Curly, and Shemp.
When will you take the midjet to
task about audio content?
Joe
trotsky
Probably never, joe dufus. I might take him to task for occasionally
being funnier or more acerbic than me, though. Looks like you'll never
have to worry!
George M. Middius
> Probably never, joe dufus. I might take him to task for occasionally
> being funnier or more acerbic than me, though. Looks like you'll never
> have to worry!
somebody should ask daffy
what kind of system he has,
and why. aside from the
obvious -- it has to be portable
enough to strap onto his
wheelchair.
George M. Middius
trotsky
Shouldn't we ask the more pertinent question first: what species of
creature his wife is?
George M. Middius
> > somebody should ask daffy
> > what kind of system he has,
> > and why. aside from the
> > obvious -- it has to be portable
> > enough to strap onto his
> > wheelchair.
> Shouldn't we ask the more pertinent question first: what species of
> creature his wife is?
there's a mrs. daffy? i thought
dr. kroomacher did his first
re-animation on the kroobitch.
what a shocker.