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Remysun
May 20, 2012, 8:25:34 AM5/20/12
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I recently met someone who is quite pareidolic about numbers, let's
say regarding numbers like the 2,224 aboard the Titanic. Lost
intentionally hyped up its bad luck numbers, intentionally
incorporating them into the show, but I wondered if there might not be
a case for other numbers that appear often enough in the series that
one might be able to claim them as The Other Numbers, imbuing a
pareidolia that the writers had never intended.
say regarding numbers like the 2,224 aboard the Titanic. Lost
intentionally hyped up its bad luck numbers, intentionally
incorporating them into the show, but I wondered if there might not be
a case for other numbers that appear often enough in the series that
one might be able to claim them as The Other Numbers, imbuing a
pareidolia that the writers had never intended.
tenworld
May 21, 2012, 6:16:36 PM5/21/12
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thinbluemime
May 21, 2012, 2:45:07 PM5/21/12
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During LOST's SIX season run, characters were featured from all over the
world with diverse religions and belief systems.
There were characters from Korea, Australia, Africa, British Isles, USA,
Iraq, Scotland-Muslim, Christian and Buddhism.
But during those six years of Lost, there was not a single Jewish
character. Like in zilch, nada, none, Zero.
Which is weird if you really think about it, since Abrams, Lindelof and
Jack Bender are Jewish as well as Bender's wife, who is a Rabbi.
"Zero: The Others Number"
Remysun
May 22, 2012, 6:45:52 AM5/22/12
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On May 21, 2:45 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here are 2 numbers you might find interesting: six (6) & zero (0)
> During LOST's SIX season run, characters were featured from all over the
> world with diverse religions and belief systems.
Plus the Oceanic Six.
> Here are 2 numbers you might find interesting: six (6) & zero (0)
> During LOST's SIX season run, characters were featured from all over the
> world with diverse religions and belief systems.
> But during those six years of Lost, there was not a single Jewish
> character. Like in zilch, nada, none, Zero.
number. And probably 666, which is actually a clue regarding the
imperfection of the series finale. Since 7 is considered a perfect
number, the show fell short.
Remysun
May 22, 2012, 6:45:31 AM5/22/12
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On May 21, 6:16 pm, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
> have you used pareidolic in a Scrabble game yet?
You'd need to build off of someone playing pare or idol, maybe idolic,
> have you used pareidolic in a Scrabble game yet?
since there are more letters needed than you can play in one turn.
Bill Taylor
May 22, 2012, 10:34:21 AM5/22/12
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On May 22, 6:45 am, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> weird if you really think about it, since Abrams, Lindelof and Jack Bender
Jack Bender?
> weird if you really think about it, since Abrams, Lindelof and Jack Bender
I presume he got his start in "Futurama"?
- anon
thinbluemime
May 22, 2012, 8:59:42 AM5/22/12
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between season 5 when everybody died, and season 6, when everybody went to
heaven.
Season 7, You know, the zombie resurrection season, time-line wise
sometime after the Lost Supper.
http://blog.lostpedia.com/2009/12/lost-supper.html
thinbluemime
May 22, 2012, 9:08:34 AM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:34:21 +0100, Bill Taylor <wfc.t...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Wrong Bender...try this one called "Jews on a Bender"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI7VqvDOYiA
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI7VqvDOYiA
Darren Delgado
May 24, 2012, 4:00:11 PM5/24/12
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On May 21, 6:16 pm, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
letters in your rack at a time, meaning that three of the letters
would have to be in place on the board already, making this very, very
unlikely.
Darren Delgado
May 24, 2012, 4:01:42 PM5/24/12
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Darren Delgado
May 24, 2012, 4:04:55 PM5/24/12
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On May 21, 2:45 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Like all of us, you have no idea whether any of the dozens of
characters on Lost were Jewish, because many did not announce what
religion they followed. Nearly all, I would say.
You're just assuming none of them were Jews, because it fuels the Anti-
Semitic theory you have to explain Lost.
Do yourself a favor and stop stewing about it. The ending made it
clear the producers were just making shit up as they went along.
Attributing your fevered 9/11 fantasies to the creative team behind
Lost is giving them way too much credit.
characters on Lost were Jewish, because many did not announce what
religion they followed. Nearly all, I would say.
You're just assuming none of them were Jews, because it fuels the Anti-
Semitic theory you have to explain Lost.
Do yourself a favor and stop stewing about it. The ending made it
clear the producers were just making shit up as they went along.
Attributing your fevered 9/11 fantasies to the creative team behind
Lost is giving them way too much credit.
thinbluemime
May 24, 2012, 1:06:28 PM5/24/12
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on LOST Anti-Semitic?
Here is a Pro-Jewish theory for LOST as well as an explanation for why the
Jewishness of any character was never explicit:
(If you have no understanding of the real world of Israel, you will never
understand LOST)
One Spiritual Leader - Jacob
One Temple
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/4/43/TheSpring.png
One Bag of Ash
One Red Heifer
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/9/95/Enter77_cow.jpg
One Security Fence
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/6/6a/Sonic_fence.png
One Dead Language
One Nuclear Bomb
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/3/37/JugheadFar.jpg
One Messiah
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/e/ea/5x07_HoldIt.jpg
One Pharisee
http://images.wikia.com/lostpedia/images/a/a2/Bens-frig-ben-open.jpg
One Cross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8akEc3ycLQ
> Do yourself a favor and stop stewing about it. The ending made it
> clear the producers were just making shit up as they went along.
> Attributing your fevered 9/11 fantasies to the creative team behind
> Lost is giving them way too much credit.
Lost had no meaning beyond what you can imagine.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/90e0f4acb6ab46eb
some of JJ Abrams recent works, with an eye toward the September 11, 2001
attacks and the influence of that event on his vision of television pop
culture.
------------------
Fringe is an American science fiction television series created by J. J.
Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
Executive producer(s): J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman,
Roberto
Orci, J. H. Wyman, Jeff Pinkner
Fringe (2008–present) - The show repeatedly references the 9/11 attacks,
as well as depicts an alternate reality, in which the show
explicitly
shows the event having been averted, at the cost of there being
other
terrorist attacks in its place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_to_the_Septe...
----------------------
FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman
@JWFRINGE what's your favorite book? :)
JOEL WYMAN @JWFRINGE
@pohtaytoes A Tale Of Two Cities.
7:11 PM - 18 Apr 12
http://twitter.com/#!/JWFRINGE/status/192676738373926912
----------------------
In anticipation of the third season of "Lost," ABC News Senior National
Correspondent Jake Tapper sat down with executive producers and
writers
J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse to talk about the
show,
the
mythologies, and its place in TV history.(1)
LOST Season 3 Episode 1 - Season Premiere (A Tale Of Two Cities):
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74560&fullsize=1
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74564&fullsize=1
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74598&fullsize=1
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74568&fullsize=1 <-
Juliet Burke arrived on the island in September 2001. She
eventually
fell
to her death and her body was retrieved from under a pile of
construction
rubble
-----------------
Cloverfield is a 2008 American found-footage style action/horror film
produced by J. J. Abrams. Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times
wrote
that
the film is "pretty scary at times" and cites "unmistakable
evocations
of
9/11"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloverfield
-----------------
Person of Interest is an American television crime drama broadcasting on
CBS. It is based on a screenplay developed by J. J. Abrams and
Jonathan
Nolan.
David Wiegand of the San Francisco Chronicle said "Person of Interest
separates itself from the gimmick pack, not only because of
superbly
nuanced characterization and writing but also because of how it
engages
a
post-9/11 sense of paranoia in its viewers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_interest#2001_anthrax_attacks
-----------------
(1)
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2553741&page=6#.T5VqFOV_6Sw
In anticipation of the third season of "Lost," ABC News Senior National
Correspondent Jake Tapper sat down with executive producers and
writers
J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse to talk about the
show,
the
mythologies, and its place in TV history.
LINDELOF: When we were first working on the pilot, the idea that it was
going to start with a plane crash and that all throughout the
first
10
or
so episodes of the show there are just shattered pieces of the
plane
all
around -- people started to process that 9/11 metaphor without
it
being
intentional at all.
ABRAMS: These questions had come up. But it wasn't until we got to the set
the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane
and
shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real
plane
--
that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this
plane
there.
It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a
plane
crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't
theoretical
anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I
was
on
the
set than I had before.
LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting
attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's
saying,
"We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people.
We
need
to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to
start
worrying
about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for
the
first
time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment
where
from
the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't
intentional
but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox
News.
And I thought that we were going to get now accused of doing the big
political statement. The whole idea of sort of al Qaeda -- the
invisible
enemy, they hate us but we don't know why, but then when you
look
at
things from their point of view you begin to sort of look at
things
in
an
entirely different way -- that parable started playing out on
the
show.
thinbluemime
May 24, 2012, 1:09:47 PM5/24/12
to
squelch legitimate criticism of a political Jewish State. This is one of
the reasons the LOST island is a metaphor for Israel.
Do you know why America was attacked on 9/11? Was it because they hate our
freedoms?
No. America was attacked on 9/11 because of America's support of Israeli
policies in the Arab Middle East.
Do you know why the metaphoric 9/11 'Flight 815' crashed in September?
Because Jacob brought the fated flight to the island.
> Do yourself a favor and stop stewing about it. The ending made it
> clear the producers were just making shit up as they went along.
> Attributing your fevered 9/11 fantasies to the creative team behind
> Lost is giving them way too much credit.
Do yourself a favor and stop congratulating yourself for assuming that
Lost had no meaning beyond what you can imagine.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/90e0f4acb6ab46eb
...some of JJ Abrams recent works, with an eye toward the September 11,
Lost had no meaning beyond what you can imagine.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/90e0f4acb6ab46eb
2001 attacks and the influence of that event on his vision of television
pop culture.
------------------
Fringe is an American science fiction television series created by J. J.
Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
Executive producer(s): J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman,
Roberto
Orci, J. H. Wyman, Jeff Pinkner
Fringe (2008–present) - The show repeatedly references the 9/11 attacks,
as well as depicts an alternate reality, in which the show explicitly
shows the event having been averted, at the cost of there being other
terrorist attacks in its place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_to_the_Septe...
----------------------
FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman
@JWFRINGE what's your favorite book?
pop culture.
------------------
Fringe is an American science fiction television series created by J. J.
Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
Executive producer(s): J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman,
Roberto
Orci, J. H. Wyman, Jeff Pinkner
Fringe (2008–present) - The show repeatedly references the 9/11 attacks,
as well as depicts an alternate reality, in which the show explicitly
shows the event having been averted, at the cost of there being other
terrorist attacks in its place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_to_the_Septe...
----------------------
FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman
@JWFRINGE what's your favorite book?
Remysun
May 24, 2012, 6:11:28 PM5/24/12
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Darren Delgado
May 24, 2012, 7:14:49 PM5/24/12
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nothing better in Scrabble.
I just played "BOOMERANGS" through _ _ _ M E _ _ _ _ S a few months
ago in a live game.
Darren Delgado
May 24, 2012, 7:33:37 PM5/24/12
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with. I was talking about the looney-tunes "Jews did 9/11" theories
you have posted in this newsgroup in the past.
> Fringe (2008–present) - The show repeatedly references the 9/11 attacks,
> as well as depicts an alternate reality, in which the show explicitly
> shows the event having been averted, at the cost of there being other
> terrorist attacks in its place.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_to_the_Septe...
>
> ----------------------
>
> FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman
>
> @JWFRINGE what's your favorite book?
> JOEL WYMAN @JWFRINGE
>
> @pohtaytoes A Tale Of Two Cities.
Oh, well that cinches it. A Tale of Two Cities is *all about* 9/11.
> ----------------------
>
> FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman
>
> @JWFRINGE what's your favorite book?
> JOEL WYMAN @JWFRINGE
>
> @pohtaytoes A Tale Of Two Cities.
(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
> Juliet Burke arrived on the island in September 2001. She eventually
> fell
> to her death and her body was retrieved from under a pile of
> construction
> rubble
> Cloverfield is a 2008 American found-footage style action/horror
film
> produced by J. J. Abrams. Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times wrote
> that
> the film is "pretty scary at times" and cites "unmistakable evocations
> of
> 9/11"
"Lost was about 9/11".
When you are quoting movie reviews of completely separate movies that
have nothing to do with Lost, directed by people associated with Lost,
said reviews being written by people who had nothing to do with Lost,
and concluding that they prove 9/11 was the central theme of Lost, you
have probably reached the bottom of the barrel.
Of course I have thought that before and you always surprise me with
another level of the barrel. Damon Lindelof might let out a wet fart
tomorrow and this will prove that Lost was about 9/11.
> Person of Interest is an American television crime drama broadcasting on
> CBS. It is based on a screenplay developed by J. J. Abrams and
> Jonathan
> Nolan.
>
> David Wiegand of the San Francisco Chronicle said "Person of Interest
> separates itself from the gimmick pack, not only because of superbly
> nuanced characterization and writing but also because of how it
> engages
> a
> post-9/11 sense of paranoia in its viewers.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_interest#2001_anthrax_attacks
after 9/11 proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> LINDELOF: When we were first working on the pilot, the idea that it was
> going to start with a plane crash and that all throughout the first 10
> or
> so episodes of the show there are just shattered pieces of the plane
> all
> around -- people started to process that 9/11 metaphor without it
> being
> intentional at all.
being intentional at all" proves that Lost was intentionally about
9/11.
> ABRAMS: These questions had come up. But it wasn't until we got to the set
> the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane and
> shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real plane
> --
> that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this plane
> there.
> It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a plane
> crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't theoretical
> anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I was on
> the
> set than I had before.
a show about 9/11, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting
> attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's
> saying,
> "We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We
> need
> to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start
> worrying
> about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for the
> first
> time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where
> from
> the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't
> intentional
> but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox News.
references to 9/11 on Lost were completely unintentional, proves that
Lost was intentionally about 9/11.
> And I thought that we were going to get now accused of doing the big
> political statement. The whole idea of sort of al Qaeda -- the
> invisible
> enemy, they hate us but we don't know why, but then when you look at
> things from their point of view you begin to sort of look at things in
> an
> entirely different way -- that parable started playing out on the
> show.
unintentionally, subconsciously influenced by his reaction to 9/11 in
creating the show, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
Remysun
May 24, 2012, 8:04:26 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 7:14 pm, Darren Delgado <darrendelg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When you play a 9+ letter word through existing letters there's
> nothing better in Scrabble.
Royal flush if you can form additional words from rubbing up against
> When you play a 9+ letter word through existing letters there's
> nothing better in Scrabble.
another word running in the same direction.
> I just played "BOOMERANGS" through _ _ _ M E _ _ _ _ S a few months
> ago in a live game.
thinbluemime
May 24, 2012, 3:17:15 PM5/24/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 00:33:37 +0100, Darren Delgado
<darren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Making charges of Anti-Semitism is a tactic used to stifle debate and
>> squelch legitimate criticism of a political Jewish State. This is one of
>> the reasons the LOST island is a metaphor for Israel.
>
> I wasn't referring to legitimate criticism of Israel, which I agree
> with. I was talking about the looney-tunes "Jews did 9/11" theories
> you have posted in this newsgroup in the past.
I have NEVER said the Jews did 9/11. Grouping all real world Jews into one
<darren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Making charges of Anti-Semitism is a tactic used to stifle debate and
>> squelch legitimate criticism of a political Jewish State. This is one of
>> the reasons the LOST island is a metaphor for Israel.
>
> I wasn't referring to legitimate criticism of Israel, which I agree
> with. I was talking about the looney-tunes "Jews did 9/11" theories
> you have posted in this newsgroup in the past.
lump would be horribly unfair to the Jews and Israeli's that protest the
unjust actions of an Apartheid Israeli government. Through the use of
metaphor and allegory I see Abrams, Lindelof, Bender, Horowitz and Kitsis
in this group.
> Oh, good -- now any movie where scary things happen in New York =
> "Lost was about 9/11".
> Of course I have thought that before and you always surprise me with
> another level of the barrel. Damon Lindelof might let out a wet fart
> tomorrow and this will prove that Lost was about 9/11.
> another level of the barrel. Damon Lindelof might let out a wet fart
> tomorrow and this will prove that Lost was about 9/11.
> A very common legal phrase used as the name of a TV show 10 years
> after 9/11 proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> after 9/11 proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> 9/11 influencing writers subconsciously in their writing "without it
> being intentional at all" proves that Lost was intentionally about
> 9/11.
> being intentional at all" proves that Lost was intentionally about
> 9/11.
> A producer telling you point blank that he had no intention of writing
> a show about 9/11, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> a show about 9/11, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> Another person involved in Lost telling you directly that any
> references to 9/11 on Lost were completely unintentional, proves that
> Lost was intentionally about 9/11.
> references to 9/11 on Lost were completely unintentional, proves that
> Lost was intentionally about 9/11.
> A person involved in Lost who tells you directly that he was
> unintentionally, subconsciously influenced by his reaction to 9/11 in
> creating the show, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
Especially when the 3 show runners are being interviewed on ABC NEWS by
> unintentionally, subconsciously influenced by his reaction to 9/11 in
> creating the show, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
lead White House Correspondent Jake Tapper in a segment titled: "LOST
THOUGH POST 9/11 EYES", with 2 of the writers mentioning 9/11, plane
crash, al Qaeda, metaphor and parable?
Are you incapable of understanding the contents of the interview or have
you chosen to be extremely obstinate ?
------------------
Here is the article again so that other readers can judge for themselves,
since you appear to have judged 9/11 irrelevant to the LOST saga.
Lost Through Post-9/11 Eyes
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2553741&page=6#.T750is1_5jG
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2553741&page=7#.T76IMs1_5jE
TAPPER: In no small way it struck me that Jack, an essentially decent
person, was put in a situation where he was willing to make compromises
for the greater good. How much is it fair to look at "Lost" through
post-9/11 eyes?
CUSE: There are definitely similarities. They're in a jungle and anything
can come out of that jungle at any time and cause them harm. There's this
kind of pervading sense of fear that kind of hangs over the characters in
the show. And whenever they are trekking some place you don't know what
actually is going to befall them. It's nothing that consciously sit around
and talk about. But I think all of us exist and live in a post-9/11 world
so it can't help but inform us as writers because we live and feel the
same things that everyone else does in a world post-9/11.
LINDELOF: When we were first working on the pilot, the idea that it was
going to start with a plane crash and that all throughout the first 10 or
so episodes of the show there are just shattered pieces of the plane all
around -- people started to process that 9/11 metaphor without it being
intentional at all.
ABRAMS: These questions had come up. But it wasn't until we got to the set
the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane and
shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real plane --
that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this plane there.
It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a plane
crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't theoretical
anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I was on the
set than I had before.
the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane and
shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real plane --
that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this plane there.
It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a plane
crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't theoretical
anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I was on the
set than I had before.
LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting
attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying,
"We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need
to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying
about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for the first
time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where from
the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't intentional
but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox News.
attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying,
"We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need
to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying
about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for the first
time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where from
the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't intentional
but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox News.
Darren Delgado
May 26, 2012, 8:43:20 PM5/26/12
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On May 24, 3:17 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 00:33:37 +0100, Darren Delgado
>
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 00:33:37 +0100, Darren Delgado
>
> <darrendelg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Making charges of Anti-Semitism is a tactic used to stifle debate and
> >> squelch legitimate criticism of a political Jewish State. This is one of
> >> the reasons the LOST island is a metaphor for Israel.
>
> > I wasn't referring to legitimate criticism of Israel, which I agree
> > with. I was talking about the looney-tunes "Jews did 9/11" theories
> > you have posted in this newsgroup in the past.
>
> I have NEVER said the Jews did 9/11. Grouping all real world Jews into one
> lump would be horribly unfair to the Jews and Israeli's that protest the
> unjust actions of an Apartheid Israeli government. Through the use of
> metaphor and allegory I see Abrams, Lindelof, Bender, Horowitz and Kitsis
> in this group.
Right, similar to the metaphors you saw in Lost that led you to
> >> Making charges of Anti-Semitism is a tactic used to stifle debate and
> >> squelch legitimate criticism of a political Jewish State. This is one of
> >> the reasons the LOST island is a metaphor for Israel.
>
> > I wasn't referring to legitimate criticism of Israel, which I agree
> > with. I was talking about the looney-tunes "Jews did 9/11" theories
> > you have posted in this newsgroup in the past.
>
> I have NEVER said the Jews did 9/11. Grouping all real world Jews into one
> lump would be horribly unfair to the Jews and Israeli's that protest the
> unjust actions of an Apartheid Israeli government. Through the use of
> metaphor and allegory I see Abrams, Lindelof, Bender, Horowitz and Kitsis
> in this group.
conclude that Lost was all about animal-human hybrids, before it was
about 9/11.
> > Oh, good -- now any movie where scary things happen in New York =
> > "Lost was about 9/11".
> > Of course I have thought that before and you always surprise me with
> > another level of the barrel. Damon Lindelof might let out a wet fart
> > tomorrow and this will prove that Lost was about 9/11.
> > A very common legal phrase used as the name of a TV show 10 years
> > after 9/11 proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> > 9/11 influencing writers subconsciously in their writing "without it
> > being intentional at all" proves that Lost was intentionally about
> > 9/11.
> > A producer telling you point blank that he had no intention of writing
> > a show about 9/11, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
> > Another person involved in Lost telling you directly that any
> > references to 9/11 on Lost were completely unintentional, proves that
> > Lost was intentionally about 9/11.
> > A person involved in Lost who tells you directly that he was
> > unintentionally, subconsciously influenced by his reaction to 9/11 in
> > creating the show, proves that Lost was all about 9/11.
>
> Especially when the 3 show runners are being interviewed on ABC NEWS by
> lead White House Correspondent Jake Tapper in a segment titled: "LOST
> THOUGH POST 9/11 EYES", with 2 of the writers mentioning 9/11, plane
> crash, al Qaeda, metaphor and parable?
out that the show itself is not about 9/11 at all, and that ANY show
written so soon after 9/11 would cause the writers to have some
post-9/11 changes in thinking.
In other words, Lost is no more about 9/11 than any other show airing
in 2004 is about 9/11.
They are telling you point blank that you are wrong, but you're
sticking to it and even using their direct denials as proof of your
argument.
Let it go.
>
> Are you incapable of understanding the contents of the interview or have
> you chosen to be extremely obstinate ?
>
> ------------------
>
> Here is the article again so that other readers can judge for themselves,
> since you appear to have judged 9/11 irrelevant to the LOST saga.
time.
"**It's nothing that consciously sit around and talk about**. But I
think all of us exist and live in a post-9/11 world so it can't help
but inform us as writers because we live and feel the same things that
**everyone else does in a world post-9/11**. (emphasis added)
but inform us as writers because we live and feel the same things that
There you have it, Lost is just as much about 9/11 as Two and a Half
Men is.
"LINDELOF: "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where from
the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- **it wasn't
intentional** but at the same time very similar things were being said
on Fox News. (emphasis added)
"It wasn't intentional" does not jibe with "this is a show about
Jewish writers sympathizing with 9/11 terrorists against Israeli human
rights abuses. It's not mentioned in the show at all, all your
examples are as lame and contrived as Rob's double theory, and there's
nothing to support it.
THE ACTUAL ISSUE of Israel's human rights abuses is perfectly valid
and something that should be discussed, but your attempts to tie them
to Lost, are not. It is a show that is not in any way about 9/11,
except in the most abstract sense of having a not-far-removed
sensibility about the events running through it, the way all
entertainment vehicles like books and movies had in the wake of 9/11.
thinbluemime
May 28, 2012, 10:13:59 AM5/28/12
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episodes of season one of LOST as LOST was beginning it's 3rd season with
a repeat of the airliner break-up seen from the ground in an episode that
introduced Juliet Burke (Elizabeth Mitchell) who arrived on the LOST
island in September 2001, after drinking the "kool-aid" at the airport.
You are looking for a literal story when LOST is told in metaphor.
>
> THE ACTUAL ISSUE of Israel's human rights abuses is perfectly valid
> and something that should be discussed, but your attempts to tie them
> to Lost, are not.
will find answers to the LOST metaphors of the TEMPLE, the stolen
children, why the Temple was reserved only for the Others, the spring
water, and why Zack and Emma served in the Temple when the 815 survivors
arrived.
And then watch the destruction of the Temple as "Catch a Falling Star"
eerily plays in the background.
Again, you have to think in metaphor, realizing that a show that began
about crash survivors morphed into a show that was nearly 100%
mythological based around the Others.
thinbluemime
May 28, 2012, 10:14:16 AM5/28/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 19:45:07 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Birmingham-Southern College students take class based on 'Lost' TV series
Published: Sunday, January 22, 2012
By Greg Garrison -- The Birmingham News
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/birmingham-southern_college_st.html
Birmingham-Southern College students watch an episode of "Lost" as part of
their coursework in a special January class. (The Birmingham News / Tamika
Moore)
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- Birmingham-Southern College's January term is full
of unusual offerings, including a class called "Lost: My Religion," which
plays off the cult-hit TV series "Lost," that went off the air in 2010.
During class, BSC Chaplain Jack Hinnen lectures on moral and religious
lessons and parallels. "We cheapen religion when we try to boil meaning
down to just what happened," he said.
It's more about finding meaning through stories, just as Jesus taught
through parables, Hinnen said.
Hinnen examines how the characters in the show struggle with the same deep
spiritual questions that religion does. "It's not a religious show; it's
not meant to make a religious statement," Hinnen said. "But it is about
redemption."
BSC chaplain Jack Hinnen teaches a class on the TV show "Lost."
The 23 students watch episodes of the TV show "Lost" and discuss the
religious, philosophical, moral and spiritual themes it addresses. "I
really hope they find a way to find religious meaning," Hinnen said. "So
many things are unexplained. That's a truth we face in life all the time."
Sam Prickett, a freshman who graduated from Oneonta High School last year,
couldn't believe it when he saw the odd course offering.
"It's a class I was born to take," he said.
Prickett became a fan of the show in 2007 and began editing entries on
www.lost
pedia.com, an exhaustive online encyclopedia about the show. He became an
administrator for the website in 2009 and then reviewed "Lost" season six
for another website, www.tvovermind.com.
He's written an article about Egyptian mythological references in "Lost,"
for example.
Prickett said he is learning too from Hinnen's approach, in which he links
biblical study and Christian theology to the lessons of "Lost," which
aired from 2004 to 2010.
"I'm getting to go more in-depth on the religious angle," Prickett said.
"The Christian allusions are pretty overt. But there are also references
to Buddhism and the concept of dharma." Dharma in Buddhism refers to the
law that orders the universe, such as karma and rebirth. In the TV show,
it's a scientific research project on the mysterious island that is the
setting for "Lost."
The writers of the show didn't have a religious message, but wove religion
into the stories, Prickett said.
"Religion makes it more universal," he said. "People can find something in
their own beliefs that relate to the big themes that are in the show."
'Exploration'
The January "Exploration" term at Birmingham-Southern College is a
one-month window for specialized projects, independent study, travel
projects, internships, special courses and service learning.
Sarah McCune, a senior, said she's done a variety of January interim
classes the past four years, but "Lost" is her favorite. She did some
cram-studying this past week, watching 10 episodes in 24 hours.
"I like lots of questions with unresolved answers," she said.
Last year, she took a January class called "Gender and Media," which
involved watching TV shows including "Desperate Housewives" and "Sex and
the City." She has also helped teach in Birmingham schools as a service
project and took a class on Buddhism during a January term.
BSC's liberal arts emphasis encourages learning across a broad spectrum,
including studying the role of TV in society, McCune said. "You can see
why TV is a mirror for society," she said.
The "Lost" class, which meets on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays for
two hours, finishes up this week. Prickett said the great writing on the
show makes it as valid a subject of study as a work by a great author.
"Similar to a work of literature, it's open to that analysis," he said.
Join the conversation by clicking to comment or email Garrison at
ggar...@bhamnews.com.
Related topics: Birmingham-Southern College
wrote:
Published: Sunday, January 22, 2012
By Greg Garrison -- The Birmingham News
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/01/birmingham-southern_college_st.html
Birmingham-Southern College students watch an episode of "Lost" as part of
their coursework in a special January class. (The Birmingham News / Tamika
Moore)
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- Birmingham-Southern College's January term is full
of unusual offerings, including a class called "Lost: My Religion," which
plays off the cult-hit TV series "Lost," that went off the air in 2010.
During class, BSC Chaplain Jack Hinnen lectures on moral and religious
lessons and parallels. "We cheapen religion when we try to boil meaning
down to just what happened," he said.
It's more about finding meaning through stories, just as Jesus taught
through parables, Hinnen said.
Hinnen examines how the characters in the show struggle with the same deep
spiritual questions that religion does. "It's not a religious show; it's
not meant to make a religious statement," Hinnen said. "But it is about
redemption."
BSC chaplain Jack Hinnen teaches a class on the TV show "Lost."
The 23 students watch episodes of the TV show "Lost" and discuss the
religious, philosophical, moral and spiritual themes it addresses. "I
really hope they find a way to find religious meaning," Hinnen said. "So
many things are unexplained. That's a truth we face in life all the time."
Sam Prickett, a freshman who graduated from Oneonta High School last year,
couldn't believe it when he saw the odd course offering.
"It's a class I was born to take," he said.
Prickett became a fan of the show in 2007 and began editing entries on
www.lost
pedia.com, an exhaustive online encyclopedia about the show. He became an
administrator for the website in 2009 and then reviewed "Lost" season six
for another website, www.tvovermind.com.
He's written an article about Egyptian mythological references in "Lost,"
for example.
Prickett said he is learning too from Hinnen's approach, in which he links
biblical study and Christian theology to the lessons of "Lost," which
aired from 2004 to 2010.
"I'm getting to go more in-depth on the religious angle," Prickett said.
"The Christian allusions are pretty overt. But there are also references
to Buddhism and the concept of dharma." Dharma in Buddhism refers to the
law that orders the universe, such as karma and rebirth. In the TV show,
it's a scientific research project on the mysterious island that is the
setting for "Lost."
The writers of the show didn't have a religious message, but wove religion
into the stories, Prickett said.
"Religion makes it more universal," he said. "People can find something in
their own beliefs that relate to the big themes that are in the show."
'Exploration'
The January "Exploration" term at Birmingham-Southern College is a
one-month window for specialized projects, independent study, travel
projects, internships, special courses and service learning.
Sarah McCune, a senior, said she's done a variety of January interim
classes the past four years, but "Lost" is her favorite. She did some
cram-studying this past week, watching 10 episodes in 24 hours.
"I like lots of questions with unresolved answers," she said.
Last year, she took a January class called "Gender and Media," which
involved watching TV shows including "Desperate Housewives" and "Sex and
the City." She has also helped teach in Birmingham schools as a service
project and took a class on Buddhism during a January term.
BSC's liberal arts emphasis encourages learning across a broad spectrum,
including studying the role of TV in society, McCune said. "You can see
why TV is a mirror for society," she said.
The "Lost" class, which meets on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays for
two hours, finishes up this week. Prickett said the great writing on the
show makes it as valid a subject of study as a work by a great author.
"Similar to a work of literature, it's open to that analysis," he said.
Join the conversation by clicking to comment or email Garrison at
ggar...@bhamnews.com.
Related topics: Birmingham-Southern College
thinbluemime
May 28, 2012, 10:16:10 AM5/28/12
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By Ami Eden · June 1, 2010
http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2010/06/01/2739396/no-jews-on-lost
By now you may have noticed: I love "Lost."
But never let it be said that the editor of JTA let's his biases get in
the way of open debate.
So, here it is... Heeb's music editor, Arye Dworken, has written an open
letter to "Lost" co-creator J.J. Abrams, expressing his unhappiness over
the show's not having any Jewish characters:
... J.J., you’re Jewish. Co-creator Damon Lindelof is a raging Jew from
Teaneck, NJ of all places. Two out of three creators are Heebs and not one
Jew riding Flight 815?!? Why wasn’t there, let’s say, an Hasidic diamond
dealer flying into Los Angeles after a weekend affair with a meth-smoking
prostitute in Sydney? How’s that for a backstory? Or a former Israeli
soldier who tortured Arabs during the Gulf War? Too similar to Sayid? Not
one wise-cracking, pastrami-eating New Yorker regaling Kate and Claire
with stories of alternative side of the street parking and where the best
bagels are on the Upper West Side? Really? I don’t know, dude.
I feel bad calling you out like this, but it also needs to be done. It was
uncool to make Lost so Jew-free. Of all the unanswered questions, this one
— this Hebraic mystery — can actually be answered. So what about it, J.J.?
Hit me up some time and let me know your thought process for making such
an uncircumcised series. I think you owe it to your Jewish fans. All seven
of us.
'Lost' is a show filled with mysteries and plenty of room for
interpretation. So as a general rule I'd say who am I to tell you that
you're understanding of 'Lost' is wrong. That said...
Hey, Arye. You're wrong.
Two words: Bernard Nadler.
The guy is a dentist from the Bronx.
He's liberal enough too be married to a black woman. And he does whatever
she tells him.
How much more of a stereotype do you want?
Darren Delgado
May 28, 2012, 3:51:09 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 10:16 am, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 19:45:07 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com>
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Let's recap this thread:
1) There are no Jews on Lost. None. Zero.
2) There is a Jew on Lost and he is a complete stereotype. Therefore
9/11.
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 19:45:07 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > wrote:
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> >> I recently met someone who is quite pareidolic about numbers, let's
> >> say regarding numbers like the 2,224 aboard the Titanic. Lost
> >> intentionally hyped up its bad luck numbers, intentionally
> >> incorporating them into the show, but I wondered if there might not be
> >> a case for other numbers that appear often enough in the series that
> >> one might be able to claim them as The Other Numbers, imbuing a
> >> pareidolia that the writers had never intended.
>
> > Here are 2 numbers you might find interesting: six (6) & zero (0)
>
> > During LOST's SIX season run, characters were featured from all over the
> > world with diverse religions and belief systems.
>
> > There were characters from Korea, Australia, Africa, British Isles, USA,
> > Iraq, Scotland-Muslim, Christian and Buddhism.
>
> > But during those six years of Lost, there was not a single Jewish
> > character. Like in zilch, nada, none, Zero.
>
> > Which is weird if you really think about it, since Abrams, Lindelof and
> > Jack Bender are Jewish as well as Bender's wife, who is a Rabbi.
>
> > "Zero: The Others Number"
>
> No Jews on ‘Lost’?
> By Ami Eden · June 1, 2010http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2010/06/01/2739396/no-jews-on-...
>
> >> I recently met someone who is quite pareidolic about numbers, let's
> >> say regarding numbers like the 2,224 aboard the Titanic. Lost
> >> intentionally hyped up its bad luck numbers, intentionally
> >> incorporating them into the show, but I wondered if there might not be
> >> a case for other numbers that appear often enough in the series that
> >> one might be able to claim them as The Other Numbers, imbuing a
> >> pareidolia that the writers had never intended.
>
> > Here are 2 numbers you might find interesting: six (6) & zero (0)
>
> > During LOST's SIX season run, characters were featured from all over the
> > world with diverse religions and belief systems.
>
> > There were characters from Korea, Australia, Africa, British Isles, USA,
> > Iraq, Scotland-Muslim, Christian and Buddhism.
>
> > But during those six years of Lost, there was not a single Jewish
> > character. Like in zilch, nada, none, Zero.
>
> > Which is weird if you really think about it, since Abrams, Lindelof and
> > Jack Bender are Jewish as well as Bender's wife, who is a Rabbi.
>
> > "Zero: The Others Number"
>
> No Jews on ‘Lost’?
1) There are no Jews on Lost. None. Zero.
2) There is a Jew on Lost and he is a complete stereotype. Therefore
9/11.
thinbluemime
May 28, 2012, 11:16:38 AM5/28/12
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that there were NO Jews on LOST. Bernard nor Rose ever revealed their
religious preference or background.
Darren Delgado
May 29, 2012, 2:33:44 PM5/29/12
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*assuming* that there were no Jews on Lost, because none of them were
walking around with yarmulkes or davening.
In other words, you're assuming all Jews act a certain way, then
you're dismissing everyone on Lost as non-Jewish because they don't
fit your stereotypes. There's no way to tell if someone is Jewish or
not Jewish unless they tell you they're Jewish.
In reality, Judaism was a non-issue to Lost, just like 9/11, and
that's why no one declared their Judaism to the audience.
thinbluemime
May 29, 2012, 4:35:19 PM5/29/12
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>> The JTA article was tongue in cheek pointing out from a Jewish
>> perspective
>> that there were NO Jews on LOST. Bernard nor Rose ever revealed their
>> religious preference or background.
>
> Neither did the vast majority of people on Lost. You're just
> *assuming* that there were no Jews on Lost, because none of them were
> walking around with yarmulkes or davening.
>
> In other words, you're assuming all Jews act a certain way, then
> you're dismissing everyone on Lost as non-Jewish because they don't
> fit your stereotypes. There's no way to tell if someone is Jewish or
> not Jewish unless they tell you they're Jewish.
>
> In reality, Judaism was a non-issue to Lost, just like 9/11, and
> that's why no one declared their Judaism to the audience.
Throughout the show, Christianity is referred to the most among other
>> perspective
>> that there were NO Jews on LOST. Bernard nor Rose ever revealed their
>> religious preference or background.
>
> Neither did the vast majority of people on Lost. You're just
> *assuming* that there were no Jews on Lost, because none of them were
> walking around with yarmulkes or davening.
>
> In other words, you're assuming all Jews act a certain way, then
> you're dismissing everyone on Lost as non-Jewish because they don't
> fit your stereotypes. There's no way to tell if someone is Jewish or
> not Jewish unless they tell you they're Jewish.
>
> In reality, Judaism was a non-issue to Lost, just like 9/11, and
> that's why no one declared their Judaism to the audience.
religions and ideologies. Some explicit references are made through the
characters own practices.
Islam enters the storyline through Sayid. Sayid has referenced his faith
explicitly and implicitly through Islamic rituals and faith-inspired
decisions.
But no character has explicitly acknowledged Judaism as their professed
religion.
In addition, NO Jewish symbols were shown on Lost. No Menorah, no Mezuzah,
No Nada.
Until the last scene of the last episode of a series that spanned six
years, not one Jewish symbol was ever seen on LOST.
No Jewish character, no Jewish symbols on a series as pointed out earlier,
with a high concentration of Jewish writers and show runners that code
named their first two season finales after Jewish bakery products.
Why were the Jews seemingly non-existent on LOST?
Darren Delgado
Jun 1, 2012, 3:53:39 AM6/1/12
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On May 29, 4:35 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:44 +0100, Darren Delgado
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> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:44 +0100, Darren Delgado
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people crashed on the plane. How many Jews do you want? What are the
odds that even one person on the plane would be Jewish?
> Islam enters the storyline through Sayid. Sayid has referenced his faith
> explicitly and implicitly through Islamic rituals and faith-inspired
> decisions.
>
> But no character has explicitly acknowledged Judaism as their professed
> religion.
outside of your mind, Lost wasn't about Jews, or 9/11, or Jews
conspiring to do 9/11. (Or animal-human hybrids, either.)
> Until the last scene of the last episode of a series that spanned six
> years, not one Jewish symbol was ever seen on LOST.
>
> No Jewish character, no Jewish symbols on a series as pointed out earlier,
> with a high concentration of Jewish writers
their shows even though they have some Jewish writers.
> and show runners that code named their first two season finales after Jewish bakery products.
bagels on a podcast heard by 200 people proves that LOST was all about
Jews and 9/11.
> Why were the Jews seemingly non-existent on LOST?
Let's recap: no Jews on Lost = Lost was all about Jews.
>In addition, NO Jewish symbols were shown on Lost. No Menorah, no Mezuzah,
No Nada.
featured mezuzahs, to show that they were conspicuously absent from
Lost. I'll wait.
thinbluemime
Jun 1, 2012, 10:44:20 AM6/1/12
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:53:39 +0100, Darren Delgado
<darren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 4:35 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:44 +0100, Darren Delgado
<darren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 4:35 pm, thinbluemime <thinbluemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:44 +0100, Darren Delgado
>> >> that there were NO Jews on LOST. Bernard nor Rose ever revealed their
>> >> religious preference or background.
>>
>> > Neither did the vast majority of people on Lost. You're just
>> > *assuming* that there were no Jews on Lost, because none of them were
>> > walking around with yarmulkes or davening.
>>
>> > In other words, you're assuming all Jews act a certain way, then
>> > you're dismissing everyone on Lost as non-Jewish because they don't
>> > fit your stereotypes. There's no way to tell if someone is Jewish or
>> > not Jewish unless they tell you they're Jewish.
>>
>> > In reality, Judaism was a non-issue to Lost, just like 9/11, and
>> > that's why no one declared their Judaism to the audience.
>>
>> Throughout the show, Christianity is referred to the most among other
>> religions and ideologies. Some explicit references are made through the
>> characters own practices.
>
> There are about 75 Christians for every Jew in the United States. 328
> people crashed on the plane. How many Jews do you want? What are the
> odds that even one person on the plane would be Jewish?
There were many more LOST characters then just those on the plane. LOST
>> >> religious preference or background.
>>
>> > Neither did the vast majority of people on Lost. You're just
>> > *assuming* that there were no Jews on Lost, because none of them were
>> > walking around with yarmulkes or davening.
>>
>> > In other words, you're assuming all Jews act a certain way, then
>> > you're dismissing everyone on Lost as non-Jewish because they don't
>> > fit your stereotypes. There's no way to tell if someone is Jewish or
>> > not Jewish unless they tell you they're Jewish.
>>
>> > In reality, Judaism was a non-issue to Lost, just like 9/11, and
>> > that's why no one declared their Judaism to the audience.
>>
>> Throughout the show, Christianity is referred to the most among other
>> religions and ideologies. Some explicit references are made through the
>> characters own practices.
>
> There are about 75 Christians for every Jew in the United States. 328
> people crashed on the plane. How many Jews do you want? What are the
> odds that even one person on the plane would be Jewish?
spanned nearly the entire globe. Antarctica, Australia, Tunisia, Iraq,
etc, etc, etc.
While no LOST character exhibited explicit Jewish religious practices,
LOST did show two explicitly gay characters. What are the proportions of
gays to the general population? About the same proportion as the Jewish
population? What are the odds that even one LOST character would be gay?
Damon Lindelof has said on LOST, people find their redemption through
community. How can members of the third Abrahamic religion (Judaism/Jews)
find any redemption at all if they are explicitly absent from the entire
narrative of LOST?
Or are the Jews left out in the cold, sitting on a park bench just outside
the chapel of eternity?
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/06/14/exclusive-michael-emerson-clears-up-‘lost’-series-finale-mystery-true-blood-season-3-premiere-party/
>> Islam enters the storyline through Sayid. Sayid has referenced his faith
>> explicitly and implicitly through Islamic rituals and faith-inspired
>> decisions.
>>
>> But no character has explicitly acknowledged Judaism as their professed
>> religion.
>
> Because it wasn't important to the story. Because here in reality and
> outside of your mind, Lost wasn't about Jews, or 9/11, or Jews
> conspiring to do 9/11. (Or animal-human hybrids, either.)
Flight 815, like Sayid was in the pilot episode, yet near the end of the 6
season series, was redeemed while running with with a bomb, saving lives
instead of taking them.
Thank god no Jews were injured in that back-pack explosion. Oh wait, there
were no Jews on LOST.
>> Until the last scene of the last episode of a series that spanned six
>> years, not one Jewish symbol was ever seen on LOST.
>>
>> No Jewish character, no Jewish symbols on a series as pointed out
>> earlier,
>> with a high concentration of Jewish writers
>
> Just like a zillion other shows that don't put Jewish symbols into
> their shows even though they have some Jewish writers.
think much of Jewish characters because there were no Jews on LOST. And as
referenced earlier, no symbolic bones were even thrown to the Jews until
the last episode of the last season of LOST. The symbol if you missed it
was a "Star of David"
http://heebmagazine.com/an-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams
"Don’t get me wrong — I’m not saying there needed to be a Jew. I just find
it weird that with so many religious undertones (or in some instances,
super overtones) the only bone we get is a Star of David on a stained
glass window in a church during the final ten minutes."
>> and show runners that code named their first two season finales after
>> Jewish bakery products.
>
> Yes, you've uncovered a plot here. The producers joking around about
> bagels on a podcast heard by 200 people proves that LOST was all about
> Jews and 9/11.
>
>> Why were the Jews seemingly non-existent on LOST?
>
> Because Jewish culture wasn't important to the story.
>
> Let's recap: no Jews on Lost = Lost was all about Jews.
>
>> In addition, NO Jewish symbols were shown on Lost. No Menorah, no
>> Mezuzah,
> No Nada.
>
> Go ahead and name all the other American prime-time dramas that
> featured mezuzahs, to show that they were conspicuously absent from
> Lost. I'll wait.
community? Dude, you need to take a Hebrew school refresher course. :)
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Jun 4, 2012, 12:25:15 AM6/4/12
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season 3, Lost had one of their patented scenes where someone said
something spooky that turned out not to really mean anything later on
-- Tom tells Kate "you aren't my type". People started speculating
that Tom and the Others were aliens, animal-human hybrids, et cetera.
The gay couple scene was a way of addressing that plot line.
Other than that, homosexuality did not factor into the storyline on
Lost, so nobody needed to profess their gayness. Just like Judaism
didn't factor into the storyline on Lost, so no one needed to profess
their Judaism.
> Damon Lindelof has said on LOST, people find their redemption through
> community. How can members of the third Abrahamic religion (Judaism/Jews)
> find any redemption at all if they are explicitly absent from the entire
> narrative of LOST?
yarmulkes, bagels and mezuzahs in order for you to be satisfied. For
all we know, Sawyer, Locke and Leslie Arzt were Jewish and found
redemption. We have no way of knowing because they didn't mention it,
because (to everyone but you) it wasn't important whether they were
Jewish or not.
> Or are the Jews left out in the cold, sitting on a park bench just outside
> the chapel of eternity?
Jack and Kate and Jin and Sun's religion weren't important either.
> Maybe LOST was about an Arab Muslim that was accused of bringing down
> Flight 815, like Sayid was in the pilot episode, yet near the end of the 6
> season series, was redeemed while running with with a bomb, saving lives
> instead of taking them.
>
> Thank god no Jews were injured in that back-pack explosion. Oh wait, there
> were no Jews on LOST.
lived all the way to the end and was a huge hero in the storyline.
This is like all the other stuff you crapped into this newsgroup for 6
years. Lots of vague hinting at stuff, but when actually challenged
you have nothing to say but more vague stuff which doesn't actually
mean anything.
What does the lack of mezuzahs and gefilte fish on Lost mean to you?
What do YOU think the writers were trying to say by not making the
show "Fiddler on the Roof"? Answer directly without more vague hints
that don't actually say anything.
thinbluemime
Jul 12, 2012, 3:02:51 PM7/12/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 04:15:04 +0100, rob...@bestweb.net
<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2012 10:13:59 AM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Read the wikipedia entry for "red heifer". In that one article alone you
>> will find answers to the LOST metaphors of the TEMPLE, the stolen
>> children, why the Temple was reserved only for the Others, the spring
>> water, and why Zack and Emma served in the Temple when the 815 survivors
>> arrived.
>
> "Served"? Interesting way to put it; why?
>
> I have to admit that kidnapping (not merely abduction in gen'l) was a
> theme that "Lost" really pounded away at for no reason I've been able to
> come up with. It doesn't seem to allude to anything else in the source
> material, and it doesn't seem to make too much sense viewed in the large
> (rather than specifics) in the overall plot. Even "Tales of Terror and
> Mystery" doesn't seem to help as a key.
>
> Abducting women for propagation (as was featured as a plot point) fits
> with the story of the Benjamin tribe, but that's not kidnapping babies
> or children. Usurpation is another theme hammered away at on "Lost",
> and sometimes that can go with a kidnapping, but not always, and it can
> be done by many other means, so it seems kidnapping per se was a
> separate theme on "Lost". OK, what do you make of all the stolen
> children or to-be-stolen children?
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
Robert, I just found your post while poking around in the old forum,
"alt.tv.lost". Some of the posts in this thread were not cross-posted to
r.a.t. ( rec.arts.tv ) so I didn't see them to respond.
In general, the abduction of the LOST surviving children has no tie-in to
Judaism or Israel except maybe in the ill-treatment of
Palestianian/hostile children in present day. Nor does the conception
issue.
Zach and Emma did serve in the LOST Temple. When returning Ajira
passengers arrived at the Temple and near the time Sayid was dunked into
the polluted 'Shiloh' spring water, in the company of Cindy, the two
children served some sort of food on plates to Kate and Sawyer, if I
remember correctly.
The Temple as you recall, was the last safe sanctuary on the Island and
was exclusively reserved for the Others.
This is the same Temple that the Others spread bags of grey 'ash' around
before Locke destroyed the Temple. The quantity of ash (huge) indicated
these were NOT the ashes of Jacob. I think they were the ashes of a red
heifer like the one first seen at the 'FLAME' station.
The correlating wikipedia article should help to fill in some
informational gaps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer#Details_of_the_commandment
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<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2012 10:13:59 AM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Read the wikipedia entry for "red heifer". In that one article alone you
>> will find answers to the LOST metaphors of the TEMPLE, the stolen
>> children, why the Temple was reserved only for the Others, the spring
>> water, and why Zack and Emma served in the Temple when the 815 survivors
>> arrived.
>
>
> I have to admit that kidnapping (not merely abduction in gen'l) was a
> theme that "Lost" really pounded away at for no reason I've been able to
> come up with. It doesn't seem to allude to anything else in the source
> material, and it doesn't seem to make too much sense viewed in the large
> (rather than specifics) in the overall plot. Even "Tales of Terror and
> Mystery" doesn't seem to help as a key.
>
> Abducting women for propagation (as was featured as a plot point) fits
> with the story of the Benjamin tribe, but that's not kidnapping babies
> or children. Usurpation is another theme hammered away at on "Lost",
> and sometimes that can go with a kidnapping, but not always, and it can
> be done by many other means, so it seems kidnapping per se was a
> separate theme on "Lost". OK, what do you make of all the stolen
> children or to-be-stolen children?
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
Robert, I just found your post while poking around in the old forum,
"alt.tv.lost". Some of the posts in this thread were not cross-posted to
r.a.t. ( rec.arts.tv ) so I didn't see them to respond.
In general, the abduction of the LOST surviving children has no tie-in to
Judaism or Israel except maybe in the ill-treatment of
Palestianian/hostile children in present day. Nor does the conception
issue.
Zach and Emma did serve in the LOST Temple. When returning Ajira
passengers arrived at the Temple and near the time Sayid was dunked into
the polluted 'Shiloh' spring water, in the company of Cindy, the two
children served some sort of food on plates to Kate and Sawyer, if I
remember correctly.
The Temple as you recall, was the last safe sanctuary on the Island and
was exclusively reserved for the Others.
This is the same Temple that the Others spread bags of grey 'ash' around
before Locke destroyed the Temple. The quantity of ash (huge) indicated
these were NOT the ashes of Jacob. I think they were the ashes of a red
heifer like the one first seen at the 'FLAME' station.
The correlating wikipedia article should help to fill in some
informational gaps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer#Details_of_the_commandment
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thinbluemime
Jul 12, 2012, 3:17:47 PM7/12/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:45:51 +0100, rob...@bestweb.net
<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 1, 2012 10:44:20 AM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Jewish culture wasn't important in a story about redemption through
>> community? Dude, you need to take a Hebrew school refresher course. :)
>> -----------------
> Let's work on this: There were 12 (interesting "other" number) stories
> in "Tales of Terror and Mystery". I've found strong reflections on
> "Lost" from 6 of them, a weaker cx in another 1. One story I haven't
> found any cx to "Lost" from was "The Jew's Breastplate". It's an
> interesting mystery tale, and it may just reveal a clue to the plot that
> I haven't found. It would have to be one of those things, like the clue
> from "The Black Doctor" to the doubles or replacements on "Lost",
> pointing to something that was never made explicit by the show. Why not
> read "The Jew's Breastplate", and see if it gives you any such vibe? If
> it does not, then you can wonder why, of the stories in that A.C. Doyle
> collection, one with "Jew" in the title was not chosen as source
> material!
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
"The Chosen" by Chaim Potok is a better literary source and is the one
volume shown on LOST, that comes the closest to revealing the metaphor
behind the abc six season series.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Chosen.jpg
'The Chosen' can be seen for free on HULU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Potok_novel)#Plot
<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 1, 2012 10:44:20 AM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Jewish culture wasn't important in a story about redemption through
>> community? Dude, you need to take a Hebrew school refresher course. :)
>> -----------------
> in "Tales of Terror and Mystery". I've found strong reflections on
> "Lost" from 6 of them, a weaker cx in another 1. One story I haven't
> found any cx to "Lost" from was "The Jew's Breastplate". It's an
> interesting mystery tale, and it may just reveal a clue to the plot that
> I haven't found. It would have to be one of those things, like the clue
> from "The Black Doctor" to the doubles or replacements on "Lost",
> pointing to something that was never made explicit by the show. Why not
> read "The Jew's Breastplate", and see if it gives you any such vibe? If
> it does not, then you can wonder why, of the stories in that A.C. Doyle
> collection, one with "Jew" in the title was not chosen as source
> material!
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
"The Chosen" by Chaim Potok is a better literary source and is the one
volume shown on LOST, that comes the closest to revealing the metaphor
behind the abc six season series.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Chosen.jpg
'The Chosen' can be seen for free on HULU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Potok_novel)#Plot
thinbluemime
Jul 12, 2012, 3:42:03 PM7/12/12
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 03:00:43 +0100, rob...@bestweb.net
<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:35:19 PM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Throughout the show, Christianity is referred to the most among other
>> religions and ideologies. Some explicit references are made through the
>> characters own practices.
>
> More importantly, Christianity was hilariously recapped in season 5 by
> the busienss about Jughead! Jughead = Jehova or Jew's head, a being of
> immense destructive power that veryone wanted to claim as their own, and
> which gave birth (thanks to Jack's obstetrics, a cute parody of vaginal
> delivery) to a Baby Jughead who threatened/promised to rescue the chosen
> people, but was rebuffed, and wouldn't blow up at the end.
> mission in Nigeria, and Mr. Eko clobbered Charlie with the menorah he'd
> carved.
> mezuza, possibly painted over as it had been at my house, in the doorway
> of a number of places shown on "Lost"? I wouldn't even have noticed it
> the way I did the anachronistic light switch.
> would've been overkill to have it there exoterically?
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
While many of the world's religions and belief systems were blatantly
explicit, Judaism/Zionism was implicit by the island and the Others.
LOST was a television series nearly completely about Jews, but no
explicitly Jewish characters.
If this isn't frickin brilliant, I don't know what is!
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living on it is because we let you live on it"
Redemption - not exactly what you were thinking
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<doc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:35:19 PM UTC-4, thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Throughout the show, Christianity is referred to the most among other
>> religions and ideologies. Some explicit references are made through the
>> characters own practices.
>
> the busienss about Jughead! Jughead = Jehova or Jew's head, a being of
> immense destructive power that veryone wanted to claim as their own, and
> which gave birth (thanks to Jack's obstetrics, a cute parody of vaginal
> delivery) to a Baby Jughead who threatened/promised to rescue the chosen
> people, but was rebuffed, and wouldn't blow up at the end.
>
>> Islam enters the storyline through Sayid. Sayid has referenced his faith
>> explicitly and implicitly through Islamic rituals and faith-inspired
>> decisions.
>>
>> But no character has explicitly acknowledged Judaism as their professed
>> religion.
>
> I think it would've looked a little too fishy if it'd been a Jewish
>> Islam enters the storyline through Sayid. Sayid has referenced his faith
>> explicitly and implicitly through Islamic rituals and faith-inspired
>> decisions.
>>
>> But no character has explicitly acknowledged Judaism as their professed
>> religion.
>
> mission in Nigeria, and Mr. Eko clobbered Charlie with the menorah he'd
> carved.
>
>> In addition, NO Jewish symbols were shown on Lost. No Menorah, no
>> Mezuzah,
>> No Nada.
>
> Mezuzas tend to be inconspicuous. How do you know there wasn't a
>> In addition, NO Jewish symbols were shown on Lost. No Menorah, no
>> Mezuzah,
>> No Nada.
>
> mezuza, possibly painted over as it had been at my house, in the doorway
> of a number of places shown on "Lost"? I wouldn't even have noticed it
> the way I did the anachronistic light switch.
>
>> Until the last scene of the last episode of a series that spanned six
>> years, not one Jewish symbol was ever seen on LOST.
>>
>> No Jewish character, no Jewish symbols on a series as pointed out
>> earlier,
>> with a high concentration of Jewish writers and show runners that code
>> named their first two season finales after Jewish bakery products.
>>
>> Why were the Jews seemingly non-existent on LOST?
>
> And your answer is what...that Judaism was there esoterically, so it
>> Until the last scene of the last episode of a series that spanned six
>> years, not one Jewish symbol was ever seen on LOST.
>>
>> No Jewish character, no Jewish symbols on a series as pointed out
>> earlier,
>> with a high concentration of Jewish writers and show runners that code
>> named their first two season finales after Jewish bakery products.
>>
>> Why were the Jews seemingly non-existent on LOST?
>
> would've been overkill to have it there exoterically?
>
> Bobbo in the Bronxo
While many of the world's religions and belief systems were blatantly
explicit, Judaism/Zionism was implicit by the island and the Others.
LOST was a television series nearly completely about Jews, but no
explicitly Jewish characters.
If this isn't frickin brilliant, I don't know what is!
-----------------
"This is not your island, this is our island, and the only reason you're
living on it is because we let you live on it"
Redemption - not exactly what you were thinking
http://www.judaism-guide.com/redemption.html
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