16 Bad TV Shows Adapted From Movies
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TEEN WOLF (2011-TBD)
Long before The Twilight Saga swoon-worthy, Michael J. Fox starred in
the 1985 hit Teen Wolf, about 17-year-old high school basketball player
Scott who uses his newfound shape-shifting abilities to become the star
of the team. Although the movie did spawn a 1987 sequel (starring Jason
Bateman as Scott’s cousin) and a short-lived animated series that same
year, it’s now seeing new life with an MTV series by the same name about
a lacrosse-playing outsider turned werewolf (Tyler Posey). This time,
Teen Wolf is less of a hairy heroic comedy and more of an attempt at a
dramatic thriller. Reviews have been lackluster thus far, but MTV’s new
head of programming has faith. “We've really taken the wolf and done a
deep dive into the mythology,” he told The Hollywood Reporter. “The
series is a total reimagination of the ’80s movie.” But we liked Scott
as a tinier Chewbacca lupine look-alike who could slam dunk in a
sweatband… not the brooding Taylor Lautner wannabe.
WORKING GIRL (1990-1990)
Melanie Griffith’s hair in Working Girl—the 1988 romantic comedy about
Staten Island secretary Tess McGill working on Wall Street in an attempt
to move up in the world—is legendary. Besides the height of her perm,
the film, co-starring Harrison Ford, Sigourney Weaver, and Alec Baldwin,
also earned Griffith an Oscar nomination and became a box office hit,
netting $103 million worldwide. Its success led to a 1990 TV adaptation
on NBC, starring a pre-Speed Sandra Bullock as Griffith’s character, a
role that originally went to The Facts of Life’s Nancy McKeon, who was
fired from the pilot. The transition to the smaller screen was anything
but smooth. Entertainment Weekly gave it a D, saying it was “shockingly
low in laughs” and that the “rhythms of this comedy are all wrong.” The
Working Girl series was canceled after eight of its 12 episodes aired.
Perhaps Bullock’s hair just wasn’t big enough.
FERRIS BUELLER (1990-1991)
“Life moves pretty fast,” Matthew Broderick famously explained as the
title character in John Hughes’ 1986 coming-of-age comedy Ferris
Bueller’s Day Off. “If you don't stop and look around once in a while,
you could miss it.” And it would have been easy to miss the 1990 NBC
comedy series based on the film, starring eventual Diagnosis: Murder
star Charlie Schlatter as Ferris and a then-unknown Jennifer Aniston as
Ferris’ sister Jeannine, who Dirty Dancing’s Jennifer Grey played in the
original film. “It's television. You know, it's just fun,” Aniston told
Entertainment Tonight at the time of its controversial truancy plot.
“Hopefully people will just take it with a grain of salt and enjoy it,
and not think, 'Oh, kids are going to watch this and they're going to
cut school.'" The series Ferris Bueller depicted the “real life” people
upon which Ferris Bueller’s Day Off was based, but the approach wasn’t
nearly as successful as the film, which was one of the top grossing
movies of the year. The series wound up on USA Today’s and The New York
Times’ worst TV of 1990 lists and was canceled after one season.
MY BIG FAT GREEK LIFE (2003-2003)
The year after Nia Vardalos’ My Big Fat Greek Wedding became the sleeper
hit of the decade, bringing in a whopping $241.4 million in North
America, CBS turned it into a post-nuptial series called My Big Fat
Greek Life. With a new leading man (her film co-star John Corbett of Sex
and the City was signed on to another series at the time) and a new
first name (from Toula to Nia), Vardalos brought her entire original
cast to the small screen with the notable exception of Corbett. But with
the wedding and honeymoon over, so was the story’s success. Considering
Variety said the show “should be silenced” and Entertainment Weekly
called it “a big fat bummer,” it was not surprising that My Big Fat
Greek Life was canceled after its seven-episode first season.
DELTA HOUSE (1979-1979)
National Lampoon’s Animal House not only launched the gross-out genre
with its 1978 debut, but it became one of the most profitable films of
all time in the process, considering its mere $2.7 million budget. In an
attempt to keep the momentum going on the fictional Faber College’s
Delta Tau Chi fraternity, ABC launched a half-hour sitcom called Delta
House. Though John Vernon reprised his role as Faber’s Dean Wormer as
did some of the other film’s cast members, the three screenwriters
signed on to write the pilot, and a 20-year-old Michelle Pfeiffer as
“The Bombshell,” Animal House’s original raunchy humor didn’t make it
past Standards and Practices. Plus, the lack of John Belushi’s
prototypical collegiate degenerate “Bluto” could not be overlooked; they
instead had Josh Mostrel play his brother “Blotto” who failed to follow
in his footsteps. Delta House’s producers were reportedly constantly at
odds with the network and the show failed to make it past its first
season.
BABY TALK (1991-1992)
Bruce Willis gave the adorably verbose Mikey a voice in the 1989 hit
Look Who’s Talking and in its 1990 sequel Look Who’s Talking Too. But
director Amy Heckerling (whose films Fast Times at Ridgemont High and
Clueless also had TV spin-offs) pushed her luck with an ABC sitcom based
on the series called Baby Talk in the spring of 1991. The show went back
to the premise of the first film with New York single mom Maggie
(Kirstie Alley in the original) on the hunt to find a man while her
3-month-old Mikey’s thoughts are articulated via voiceover. Heckerling
created new characters for the series—most notably George Clooney’s Joe,
a construction worker in Maggie’s building—and hired the beloved
housekeeper of Who’s the Boss?, Tony Danza, to speak for Mikey. But the
series went through three Maggies—Connie Sellecca (The Greatest American
Hero), Julia Duffy (Newhart), and Mary Page Keller—and Scott Baio’s
James (portrayed by John Travolta in the film franchise) failed to work
on the small screen. A critics’ poll gave Baby Talk the dishonor of
“Worst Series on Television” in 1991 and it was canceled after two
seasons.
SERPICO (1976-1977)
Sidney Lumet’s 1973 film based on the true story of NYPD officer Frank
Serpico, who went undercover to expose corruption within the force, led
to a first Golden Globe for its star Al Pacino, plus three Academy Award
nominations. But when NBC transitioned Serpico to television, the
accolades did not flow. The Oscar-nominated film and series shared
little besides the central plot and Bridget Loves Bernie David Birney’s
performance in the role Pacino originated was lost in TV translation.
“The format designed for NBC takes most of Serpico’s superficial
characteristics and gingerly ignores the particulars of his situation,”
The New York Times reviewed. “Serpico is stuffed into a typical action
adventure format.” Apparently, TV viewers were tired of the
stereotypical format and missed Pacino’s flare--Serpico was canceled
just four months after it premiered.
CLUELESS (1996-1999)
“Cher” reached a new generation with Amy Heckerling’s 1995 teen
phenomenon Clueless, loosely based on the classic Jane Austen novel
Emma, but set in a spoiled high school in Beverly Hills, where nose jobs
are the norm and eating is not. The new classic became a sleeper hit
and, as Roger Ebert reviewed, “is aimed at teenagers, but like all good
comedies, it will appeal to anyone who has a sense of humor and an ear
for the ironic.” Though the movie launched the careers of Alicia
Silverstone (the young actress who played Cher Horowitz) and the late
Brittany Murphy (Cher’s newfound friend Tai), both declined to sign on
for ABC’s television adaptation, with the lead going to unknown student
Rachel Blanchard. Stacey Dash (the actress who played Dionne, Cher’s
best friend “because we both know what it's like for people to be
jealous of us”), Donald Faison (the Scrubs star who played her boyfriend
Murray), Elisa Donovan (the girls’ ginger-haired arch nemesis Amber) and
a few others transitioned to the tube, but the success did not. ABC
canceled the series after one season, but UPN picked it up for two more
seasons. Insert eye roll and accompanying “Whatever” hand signage here.
UNCLE BUCK (1990-1991)
Though they didn't have a scene together in John Hughes’ legendary
family film Home Alone, the late John Candy and burglar trickster
extraordinaire Macaulay Culkin teamed up in Hughes 1989 comedy Uncle
Buck about a deadbeat uncle (Candy) who watches his nieces and nephew
(Culkin) when his brother and sister-in-law have to go out of town
unexpectedly. The follow year, the movie was adapted for television on
CBS, a la another Hughes’ film Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. This time, the
tale took a somber turn with Buck’s (little known comedian Kevin Meaney)
brother and sister-in-law passing away in a car accident and granting
him full custody of their three children. “Kevin is Candy-esque because
he's big," Uncle Buck's executive producer told People magazine, "even
though he's not nearly as big as Candy.” Apparently, size does matter
because Meaney failed to fill Candy’s shoes and the series was canceled
after one season.
FAST TIMES (1986-1986)
Long before Patrick Dempsey caused a ruckus by announcing McDreamy may
be leaving Grey’s Anatomy, he played delusional ladies’ man Mike Damone
in the television adaptation of the coming-of-age teen comedy Fast Times
at Ridgemont High. The 1982 film was famous for launching the career of
Sean Penn as surfing stoner Jeff Spicoli, who was the bane of his
American history teacher, Mr. Hand’s, existence. Though the actor who
played Hand joined Dempsey for the 1986 CBS series Fast Times, Penn did
not, nor did the majority of the cast. The movie’s director, Amy
Heckerling, produced the half-hour sitcom series and Almost Famous
writer/producer/director Cameron Crowe, who made his screenwriting debut
with Fast Times at Ridgemont High, served as a creative consultant.
Frank Zappa’s daughter Moon Unit also provided her consulting skills—the
then 19-year-old Californian educated writers on teen slang and common
mannerisms of the late ‘80s. But despite their “real teen”
behind-the-scenes, one reviewer from the Akron Beacon Journal said the
network could make better use of the timeslot: “Just when you thought
the CBS Wednesday schedule couldn't get any worse… It would be better,
and considerably more entertaining, if they devoted the hour to a
reading of the Newark yellow pages. It would be better, and far more
merciful, if they just went dark.” CBS eventually had mercy and canceled
the show after seven episodes.
POLICE ACADEMY: THE SERIES (1997-1998)
The Police Academy film franchise started in 1984 and led to a total of
seven films about a group of misfit police department recruits who
eventually prove themselves capable of joining the force. But
apparently, movie after movie throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s wasn’t
enough. The franchise became an animated comedy series in 1988 that
lasted two seasons, but that was impressive compared to Police Academy:
The Series, the 1997 hour-long live action show. The only cast member to
transition to the small screen with the franchise was Michael Winslow,
who played Larvelle “Motor Mouth” Jones in all seven movies and on the
series, which lasted only one season. When asked how his experience on
the series was, Winslow said: “It wasn’t really the same… I don't feel
like I got the opportunity to really do my best work.” But lucky for
Winslow, he may be able to go back to his best: The original Police
Academy producer is reportedly working on an eighth film.
DIRTY DANCING (1988-1989)
In this low-budget film that became a massive big screen success, dance
instructor Johnny Castle (Patrick Swayze) defended his girlfriend’s
honor when he urged: “Nobody puts Baby in a corner.” But a year after
the 1987 film had the world busting moves on logs and dancing the
pachanga, CBS thought it was a good idea to put Baby on television. The
1988 series starred David Cassidy’s half-brother Patrick as Johnny and
The Office’s Melora Hardin as Baby, the character Jennifer Grey
originated on film. George Lopez star Constance Marie played Johnny’s
dance partner Penny and Bridesmaids director Paul Feig was a waiter at
Kellerman’s, a summer resort in the Catskills. In the series, instead of
being one of Kellerman’s wealthy guests as she was in the film, Baby
became the daughter of the resort owner. “Can Johnny and Baby keep this
misbegotten romance simmering for a few weeks, never mind a full
season?” The New York Times reviewer asked. “Can enough ‘dirty dancing’
be squeezed into future half-hour episodes to maintain the mambo
momentum? I doubt it.” And he was right. The show only survived half a
season. Cue “(I’ve Had) The Time of My Life.
BABY BOOM (1988-1989)
A decade after winning audiences over as the titular Annie Hall, Diane
Keaton went from self-deprecating young Manhattanite to high-power
career woman in Baby Boom. The 1987 films follows Keaton’s J.C. Wiatt
when her life is interrupted by the news that she’s been named the
guardian of her deceased cousin’s young daughter. The box office and
critical success led to an NBC series the following year from the
movie’s co-writers Nancy Meyers and Charles Shyer, who also directed the
original Baby Boom. Keaton had moved on to another Godfather installment
and the Father of the Bride franchise, but Charlie’s Angels star Kate
Jackson stepped in to play J.C. on the small-screen installment. Though
Baby Boom was intended to be a sitcom, Meyers and Shyer reportedly
insisted the show be made without the standard laugh track, and after
seven episodes, there was no laughter on the screen or from audiences.
The show was put on hiatus and a final episode aired with the rest of
television’s reject territory, i.e. the middle of the summer.
THE OUTSIDERS (1990-1990)
The Greasers and the Socs of S.E. Hinton’s The Outsiders became
mandatory reading for all teens to come in 1965 and nearly two decades
later, the characters came to life in the 1983 Francis Ford Coppola film
adaptation of the same name. It featured up-and-comers Rob Lowe, Tom
Cruise, Emilio Estevez, Patrick Swayze, Matt Dillon, and Diane Lane, and
was credited with creating “a new kind of filmmaking, especially about
teenagers,” according to A Star Is Found. Clearly, there was more to
milk from Hinton’s novel. After it was rejected by three major networks,
Fox picked up executive producer Coppola’s series, which started off
with a bang, literally: The 90-minute pilot opened with a short scene
from the film of Dillon’s character Dallas on the run from cops and
getting shot. The series, which became Fox’s highest rated drama in the
network’s history up to that point, served as a sequel to the movie, but
none of the original cast (who were either too famous or too old)
returned as the story went on. Among the cast of newcomers were two
now-familiar names: Billy Bob Thornton played Buck Merrill, the resident
criminal cowboy whom the Greasers try to stay away from, and Estevez’s
wisecracking, sticky-fingered greaser Two-Bit was played by unknown
David Arquette, who made his acting debut on the series. “I did one
commercial for Nestea,” Arquette told the Los Angeles Times, “but I just
cheered in that, so I don’t count it.” But should he “count” The
Outsiders? Despite its highly rated pilot, the series experienced a
ratings drop off and was canceled after just eight episodes. Like Baby
Boom, its final episodes aired in the summer.
LOGAN’S RUN (1977-1978)
Despite receiving less than stellar reviews, this 1976 film adaption of
the novel of the same name became a cult hit. In the movie, Logan 5
(Michael York) is on the run with Jessica 6 after refusing to accept the
23rd-century dystopia where one’s life must end at 30. In the TV show,
not much changed, except for the fact that none of the original cast
made the move to small screen. Nevertheless, the static plot allowed CBS
to save money by reusing footage from the film for the 2400s cityscape
and instead, depicting Logan and Jessica almost solely in a futuristic
hovercraft. After one season, Logan’s Run was canceled, but the pair was
still being chased and audiences may see a conclusion for Logan and
Jessica yet: A remake has reportedly been in the works since 1994 and
the latest update is that Ryan Gosling will allegedly be starring as
Logan 4 (take 3).
PLANET OF THE APES (1974-1974)
The 1968 sci-fi classic Planet of the Apes launched a franchise that’s
still in the works: More than 40 years later with the upcoming Rise of
the Planet of the Apes, starring James Franco. But not every installment
of the story about a futuristic crew of astronauts who crash-land on a
strange planet where apes dominate was a winner. In 1974, the hairy tale
made its way to the small screen with only the late Roddy McDowall from
the films along for the ride. “We made a deal when I came to do this
series that the makeup can be on my face only a certain number of hours
a day,” he told Smash magazine in 1974. “Having had experience with the
films beforehand, I know where the exhaustion point is. When the
make-up’s been on about 10 hours, you start to get really bugged.”
Despite McDowall’s devotion to sitting in a makeup chair for three hours
at 4 a.m. every day while filming the series, even he knew the show
didn’t have the same social and political messages as the films.
“Basically, the show is just great entertainment. And if you try to read
into it any deep, momentous undercurrents, you risk becoming a terrible
bore,” McDowall told Smash. Eventually, viewers did and the show was
canceled after 14 episodes, one of which didn’t air due to controversy
about weapons of mass destruction, a particularly hot-button issue
considering this was all at the end of the Vietnam War.
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> Despite receiving less than stellar reviews, this 1976 film adaption of
> the novel of the same name became a cult hit. In the movie, Logan 5
> (Michael York) is on the run with Jessica 6 after refusing to accept the
> 23rd-century dystopia where one’s life must end at 30. In the TV show,
> not much changed, except for the fact that none of the original cast
> made the move to small screen. Nevertheless, the static plot allowed CBS
> to save money by reusing footage from the film for the 2400s cityscape
> and instead, depicting Logan and Jessica almost solely in a futuristic
> hovercraft. After one season, Logan’s Run was canceled, but the pair was
> still being chased and audiences may see a conclusion for Logan and
> Jessica yet: A remake has reportedly been in the works since 1994 and
> the latest update is that Ryan Gosling will allegedly be starring as
> Logan 4 (take 3).
>
Hey, they could get Michael York to play the Old Man! :-)
Seapig
> MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox ‘80s flick
> Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
> to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
> films butchered by the tube.
>
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>
> Long before Patrick Dempsey caused a ruckus by announcing McDreamy may
> be leaving Grey’s Anatomy, he played delusional ladies’ man Mike Damone
> in the television adaptation of the coming-of-age teen comedy Fast Times
> at Ridgemont High. The 1982 film was famous for launching the career of
> Sean Penn as surfing stoner Jeff Spicoli, who was the bane of his
> American history teacher, Mr. Hand’s, existence. Though the actor who
> played Hand joined Dempsey for the 1986 CBS series Fast Times, Penn did
> not, nor did the majority of the cast. The movie’s director, Amy
> Heckerling, produced the half-hour sitcom series and Almost Famous
> writer/producer/director Cameron Crowe, who made his screenwriting debut
> with Fast Times at Ridgemont High, served as a creative consultant.
> Frank Zappa’s daughter Moon Unit also provided her consulting skills—the
> then 19-year-old Californian educated writers on teen slang and common
> mannerisms of the late ‘80s. But despite their “real teen”
> behind-the-scenes, one reviewer from the Akron Beacon Journal said the
> network could make better use of the timeslot: “Just when you thought
> the CBS Wednesday schedule couldn't get any worse… It would be better,
> and considerably more entertaining, if they devoted the hour to a
> reading of the Newark yellow pages. It would be better, and far more
> merciful, if they just went dark.” CBS eventually had mercy and canceled
> the show after seven episodes.
"The actor who played Mr. Hand"? Ray Walston deserves better than
that.
My memory of this one was that it wasn't bad. It was always going to
suffer in comparison to the movie, largely because it was impossible
to do most of what was there on network television. But, taken on its
own merits, it was better than most of the crap that was sitcoms in
the 80s. It kind of backs me up that the writer apparently had to dig
all the way down to the Akron Beacon Journal to find a bad review.
Obveeus
"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> TEEN WOLF (2011-TBD)
Good so far. Way too early to make a long term claim.
> LOGAN'S RUN (1977-1978)
Yes, it had to work with a TV budget. No, it was not a bad sci-fi TV
series.
Goro
wrote:
>MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox ‘80s flick
>Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
>to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
>films butchered by the tube.
>
>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
Series that were based on a movie.
-goro-
Obveeus
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Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
David Johnston
The Odd Couple.
Obveeus
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Another excellent choice. How about 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Alien
Nation'...but M*A*S*H is still #1.
Horace LaBadie
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David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Topper.
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The Paper Chase
Adam H. Kerman
>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:36:22 -0500, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>>>MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox '80s flick
>>>>Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
>>>>to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
>>>>films butchered by the tube.
>>>>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>>>It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
>>>Series that were based on a movie.
>>Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
>The Odd Couple.
Hm. Neither example applies. The first was a novel; you may recall how
little the sitcom resembled the movie, despite not recasting Radar.
The operating room scenes were incredibly bloody, something you did not
get on tv, and Hot Lips was treated rather mysoginistically.
Trivia: The Frank Burns character was a religious nut in the novel.
In the movie, he was a composite of two characters. In the tv series,
Frank Burns was not a religious nut and was entirely based on the
second character, whose name escapes me.
The latter was a stage play. Thank gawd it DID NOT resemble the movie,
although I swear the apartment set was re-used for the first season and
a third of season two, and the theme song too. Gene Saks directed
classic comedy with a top cast (many who carried over from the Broadway
cast) and utterly failed to bring it to life.
Checking: No, Teen Wolf was an original, if derivative, screen play.
Adam H. Kerman
>On Jun 13, 10:42 am, info...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:08:31 -0700 (PDT), David Johnston
>><davidjohnsto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Jun 13, 7:02 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox '80s flick
>>>>>>Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
>>>>>>to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
>>>>>>films butchered by the tube.
>>>>>>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>>>>>It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
>>>>>Series that were based on a movie.
>>>>Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
>>>The Odd Couple.
>>"Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
>The Paper Chase
Novel
Ian J. Ball
web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> CLUELESS (1996-1999)
>
> UNCLE BUCK (1990-1991)
This article underrates these two.
The (first) ABC season of "Clueless" was actually pretty good (the two
UPN seasons were terrible, though, so I'll grant them that part).
And I actually quite enjoyed "Uncle Buck" because the Tia in the TV show
was quite different (read: better) than the one in the movie, and was
quite the brat. I remember that this series was actually controversial
in its day because of the language spouted onscreen by some of the kids.
I also must admit - I don't even remember that there was a "Dirty
Dancing" TV series (starring a young Melora Hardin!) - had i know about
that one, I probably would have checked it out!! ;)
The problem with the PotA TV series was that it was too episodic - if it
had emphasized the storyarc more, it might have been OK. Instead, it was
just a very episodic 70s TV show, and those just aren't very good... :/
--
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David Johnston
> David Johnston <davidjohnsto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 13, 7:02 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>"Goro" <bo...@nonn.com> wrote:
> >>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:36:22 -0500, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> >>>>MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox '80s flick
> >>>>Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
> >>>>to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
> >>>>films butchered by the tube.
> >>>>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
> >>>It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
> >>>Series that were based on a movie.
> >>Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
> >The Odd Couple.
>
> Hm. Neither example applies. The first was a novel; you may recall how
> little the sitcom resembled the movie, despite not recasting Radar.
It resembled the book no more than the movie
> The latter was a stage play.
I don't see why a TV series would be disqualified just because the
movie it was adapted from was adapted from something else. There
would have been no Odd Couple series, I think if the movie had not
been made and seen success.
Adam H. Kerman
>On Jun 13, 10:00 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>David Johnston <davidjohnsto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On Jun 13, 7:02 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>"Goro" <bo...@nonn.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:36:22 -0500, web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>>>>>>MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox '80s flick
>>>>>>Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
>>>>>>to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
>>>>>>films butchered by the tube.
>>>>>>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>>>>>It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
>>>>>Series that were based on a movie.
>>>>Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
>>>The Odd Couple.
>>Hm. Neither example applies. The first was a novel; you may recall how
>>little the sitcom resembled the movie, despite not recasting Radar.
>It resembled the book no more than the movie
True.
>>The latter was a stage play.
>I don't see why a TV series would be disqualified just because the
>movie it was adapted from was adapted from something else.
I'm going by the thread title, which is not "TV Shows adapted from source
material in another medium that followed a movie also adapted from the
same source material". So, no, if the tv show WASN'T adapted from a movie,
it wasn't adapted from a movie, but the actual source material the movie
was also adapted from.
>There would have been no Odd Couple series, I think if the movie had
>not been made and seen success.
Seriously? You don't find the situation of a buddy comedy and clashing
personalities living together and awkward, single men trying to date to
be ripe for exploitation, that it's potential needed to be demonstrated
on screen first before it could be sold to a network? There have been a
lot of adaptations, including one in which the two men were black and
not Jewish, and one in which the characters were female. There's been
no shortage of derivative material. In any event, the premise was hardly
original, but Neil Simon wrote a very witty play.
It's unfortunate no one filmed the play with Art Carney as Felix. I'd
have loved to have seen that. I read that Carney's drunkenness was
interferring with his ability to show up for work and is the main reason
why he wasn't asked to play Felix on screen.
David Johnston
The existence of something the movie was adapted from doesn't means
that the subsequent TV series is adapted from the original source
rather than the movie.
>
> >There would have been no Odd Couple series, I think if the movie had
> >not been made and seen success.
>
> Seriously? You don't find the situation of a buddy comedy and clashing
> personalities living together and awkward, single men trying to date to
> be ripe for exploitation, that it's potential needed to be demonstrated
> on screen first before it could be sold to a network?
Have you ever seen a TV series adapted directed from a stage play? I
haven't.
Seapig
If those are the rules we're following, then "Fast Times" is also
out. It was based on a book (I'm not sure if it was considered a
novel, since it was supposedly true).
Seapig
> The problem with the PotA TV series was that it was too episodic - if it
> had emphasized the storyarc more, it might have been OK. Instead, it was
> just a very episodic 70s TV show, and those just aren't very good... :/
This one would also be disqualified by the Kerman Rule. I think I
cried when it got cancelled (I was seven). Since then, I figured the
problem with the show was probably that it was aimed at seven year
olds.
The Loan Arranger
>Have you ever seen a TV series adapted directed from a stage play? I
haven't.
"Hot L Baltimore" went from stage to small screen, IIRC.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>>>>>>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>>>>>The Odd Couple.
>>True.
What is it with these positions you take on Usenet that are so easily
refuted? When a studio buys adaptation rights to a novel or play, they
buy both movie and television adaptation rights. When the same source
is adapted into a second medium, they don't base it on the first adaptation
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY EXTRA TO DO THAT.
There's practically always new material in an adaptation. If you use the
new material in a subsequent adaptation, then you owe money to the
screenwriter. For instance, Elmore Leonard wrote Out of Sight, adapted
for a movie of the same name. Some of Karen Sisco's back story was
dropped for the movie. In the short-lived tv series Karen Sisco, they
used all of the character's back story from the novel. The tv series
was not in the same continuity as the movie, but they did not want to
pay Scott Frank for the rights. One episode, though, was based on some
of Frank's new material, so he got paid for that.
There is a famous exception: Christopher Isherwood's Berlin Stories
were adapted for a play I Am A Camera. The play was in turn adapted
for the musical Cabaret. This in turn was adapted for a theatrical
movie that little resembled the Broadway musical, and now newer
theatrical stagings incorporate new material from the movie.
But to do this, each adaptation had to be licensed separately. It's
not the usual practice because it's costly and unnecessary.
>Have you ever seen a TV series adapted directed from a stage play? I
>haven't.
E/R was adapted from a Chicago stage play. Coincidentally, a young
George Clooney had a supporting role in the main cast. There are a couple
of other Chicago examples more obscure than this one.
The best known would be Hot L Baltimore.
Default User
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> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>The Paper Chase
>
> Novel
So? The TV show was adapted from the movie. John Houseman reprised his role.
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Default User
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> This one would also be disqualified by the Kerman Rule.
He didn't start the game, so he doesn't get to make any rules.
Madara0806
Or bad movies adapted from successful TV shows. There's about a
million of those--all made in the last 20 years.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>The Paper Chase
>>Novel
>So? The TV show was adapted from the movie.
James Bridges, who adapted John Jay Osborn's novel for screen, has a
"developed for television" credit. I suppose he could use any new material
he introduced on screen in the tv series.
>John Houseman reprised his role.
Incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial! -- Hamilton Burger
Barry Margolin
wrote:
> > LOGAN'S RUN (1977-1978)
>
> Yes, it had to work with a TV budget. No, it was not a bad sci-fi TV
> series.
And considering how little SF TV there was at the time, it was about as
good as it got. The only other SF show that started that year was Man
From Atlantis, and the other SF competition was 6 Million Dollar Man and
Bionic Woman.
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Adam H. Kerman
>>>LOGAN'S RUN (1977-1978)
>>Yes, it had to work with a TV budget. No, it was not a bad sci-fi TV
>>series.
>And considering how little SF TV there was at the time, it was about as
>good as it got. The only other SF show that started that year was Man
>From Atlantis, and the other SF competition was 6 Million Dollar Man and
>Bionic Woman.
Fembots!
gawd, I loved Linsay Wagner and The Bionic Woman.
Invid Fan
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I don't see why a TV series would be disqualified just because the
> >movie it was adapted from was adapted from something else.
>
> I'm going by the thread title, which is not "TV Shows adapted from source
> material in another medium that followed a movie also adapted from the
> same source material". So, no, if the tv show WASN'T adapted from a movie,
> it wasn't adapted from a movie, but the actual source material the movie
> was also adapted from.
>
So, that knocks MASH off the list as the movie was based on a book.
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Obveeus
"Invid Fan" <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
>>
> So, that knocks MASH off the list as the movie was based on a book.
M*A*S*H is at the top of the list and the existence of books is completely
irrelevant to the thread. If there was a movie, then a TV series, the show
qualifies for consideration in this thread.
lugnut
>>> > It would be MORE interesting if they did a list of the SUCCESSFUL TV
>>> > Series that were based on a movie.
>>>
>>> Put M*A*S*H at the top of the list.
>>
>>The Odd Couple.
>
>"Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
I've always liked "In the Heat of the Night," though the quality of
the show varies wildly from sometimes very-good to sometimes
very-very-bad.
Two more "bad" examples that come to mind:
"Friday the 13th: The Series"
"Freddy's Nightmares"
Neither really have anything to do with the movies, but at least FN
included intros/outros by Robert Englund as Freddy, and there were at
least one or two episodes directly based on the films. F13 seemed
like they just took some awful "supernatural" show that they couldn't
sell and slapped the "Friday" name on it. I recall FN being the
better of the two overall, but both were largely complete wastes of
time.
-lugnut
Invid Fan
wrote:
Not going by the rules Adam H. Kerman gave in the message I was
replying to, which was my point :) If The Odd Couple doesn't count then
neither does MASH.
Bill Steele
"Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>The Paper Chase
> >
> > Novel
>
> So? The TV show was adapted from the movie. John Houseman reprised his role.
In this context, I think the appropriate description would be "Sold as a
TV series because it had been successful as a movie."
Default User
"Bill Steele" <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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I wouldn't say that, but you are of course free to do so.
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Adam H. Kerman
>I've always liked "In the Heat of the Night," though the quality of
>the show varies wildly from sometimes very-good to sometimes
>very-very-bad.
>Two more "bad" examples that come to mind:
>"Friday the 13th: The Series"
>"Freddy's Nightmares"
>Neither really have anything to do with the movies, but at least FN
>included intros/outros by Robert Englund as Freddy, and there were at
>least one or two episodes directly based on the films. F13 seemed
>like they just took some awful "supernatural" show that they couldn't
>sell and slapped the "Friday" name on it. I recall FN being the
>better of the two overall, but both were largely complete wastes of
>time.
Hey, add ItHofN to your list of shows that had nothing to do with
the movie. The lead character was completely different and the second
lead character became marginalized (after the actor stopped showing
up for work).
Adam H. Kerman
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>I don't see why a TV series would be disqualified just because the
>>>movie it was adapted from was adapted from something else.
>>I'm going by the thread title, which is not "TV Shows adapted from source
>>material in another medium that followed a movie also adapted from the
>>same source material". So, no, if the tv show WASN'T adapted from a movie,
>>it wasn't adapted from a movie, but the actual source material the movie
>>was also adapted from.
>So, that knocks MASH off the list as the movie was based on a book.
Hey! I didn't start this thread. Default User is flat-out wrong.
There's nothing equivocal about "tv shows adapted from movies", the
limitation in Subject. If it's not adapted from the movie, it's not
adapted from the movie.
I don't recall who brought up The Paper Chase, but the same writer who
adapted the novel for the movie developed the tv series, so that's
on topic.
lugnut
By lead character, I'm assuming you mean Gillespie? I wouldn't say he
was *completely* different...the early episodes of the show give the
impression that he had just mellowed with age since the time of the
original movie. Plus he tends to still show signs of being the
cranky, angry, slightly-racist character he was in the movie in those
earlier episodes, but it does mostly go away over time. Sometime
during the 2nd season Carroll O'Connor underwent heart surgery and it
seems from those episodes on out is where the character turns more
into the grandfatherly type who does more talking than action.
-lugnut
Default User
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
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> Hey! I didn't start this thread. Default User is flat-out wrong.
>
> There's nothing equivocal about "tv shows adapted from movies", the
> limitation in Subject. If it's not adapted from the movie, it's not
> adapted from the movie.
Well, no. The existence of a MASH book didn't mean that the TV series was
adapted from it. Clearly the movie was the inspiration.
I have no doubts that there are TV series that went back to the source book.
The ones you objected to do not fit the category.
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Ubiquitous
wrote:
>Two more "bad" examples that come to mind:
>"Friday the 13th: The Series"
*GASP* SACRILEGE!
>"Freddy's Nightmares"
>
>Neither really have anything to do with the movies, but at least FN
>included intros/outros by Robert Englund as Freddy, and there were at
>least one or two episodes directly based on the films. F13 seemed
>like they just took some awful "supernatural" show that they couldn't
>sell and slapped the "Friday" name on it. I recall FN being the
>better of the two overall, but both were largely complete wastes of
>time.
I disagree. I never found FN, a horror anthology show with Robert
Englund wrappers, very compelling. HBO's "Tales from the Crypt" did it
better,
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Anim8rFSK
"Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
> news:itb0dg$6ig$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
> > Hey! I didn't start this thread. Default User is flat-out wrong.
> >
> > There's nothing equivocal about "tv shows adapted from movies", the
> > limitation in Subject. If it's not adapted from the movie, it's not
> > adapted from the movie.
>
> Well, no. The existence of a MASH book didn't mean that the TV series was
> adapted from it. Clearly the movie was the inspiration.
>
> I have no doubts that there are TV series that went back to the source book.
> The ones you objected to do not fit the category.
>
>
> Brian
The Addams Family movies *claimed* they skipped the TV series and went
back to the printed source material. They were blatantly lying of
course.
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Seapig
> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> >Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>I don't see why a TV series would be disqualified just because the
> >>>movie it was adapted from was adapted from something else.
> >>I'm going by the thread title, which is not "TV Shows adapted from source
> >>material in another medium that followed a movie also adapted from the
> >>same source material". So, no, if the tv show WASN'T adapted from a movie,
> >>it wasn't adapted from a movie, but the actual source material the movie
> >>was also adapted from.
> >So, that knocks MASH off the list as the movie was based on a book.
>
> Hey! I didn't start this thread. Default User is flat-out wrong.
>
> There's nothing equivocal about "tv shows adapted from movies", the
> limitation in Subject. If it's not adapted from the movie, it's not
> adapted from the movie.
"16 Bad TV Shows That Were Either Adapted From Movies Or Adapted From
The Same Source Material As A Movie Which Was Released Prior To The
Production Of The Bad TV Show In Question" would have been an awkward
thread title.
Adam H. Kerman
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Hey! I didn't start this thread. Default User is flat-out wrong.
>>There's nothing equivocal about "tv shows adapted from movies", the
>>limitation in Subject. If it's not adapted from the movie, it's not
>>adapted from the movie.
>Well, no. The existence of a MASH book didn't mean that the TV series was
>adapted from it. Clearly the movie was the inspiration.
You are second-guessing an unequivocally written Subject. There's a vast
difference between "adapted from" and "inspiration". After all, "inspiration"
means, "We're ripping off your ideas but we are making just enough changes
that we don't have to pay you a licensing fee." The rip off doesn't really
apply to a movie and tv series from the same studio, though.
With regard to MASH, you're flat-out wrong. The inspiration was minimal.
The layout of the camps looked similar, although the campsite used for
the movie appeared to be a hell of a lot larger. The backdrop for the
Korean landscape looked similar. Radar was not recast and the character
called Frank Burns was combined of two characters from the novel, but
the religious nutjob aspects of the original Frank Burns character
were not retained on television and the tv character should't have been
called Frank Burns but the other character from the novel whose name
escapes me.
The tv series was completely different from the movie as the movie was
different from the novel. The novel was a straightforward service comedy.
The movie was a service comedy with ramped up mysogeny, plus lots of
black humor showing the medical staff coping with the horrors they saw
during operations. Every major character was married and every major
character slept around (except Radar).
The tv series toned everything down. Nearly all the black humor was lost.
The operating tent was merely busy, entirely losing the buckets of blood,
and did not have the visual impact.
Movie dialogue was Robert Altman traditional group acting. In the tv show,
characters read lines without overlap in traditional sitcom style with
no improvization. By the time Col Potter was introduced and after Larry
Gelbart left (was fired?), the dialogue became weird and entirely
unnatural.
They ramped up the morality play for tv, almost entirely absent from the
novel and barely present in the movie, ramped up "heroic doctors" and
made Hawkeye a god, and the biggest change of all, Hawkeye was never married.
You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>I have no doubts that there are TV series that went back to the source book.
>The ones you objected to do not fit the category.
You're not thinking it through.
Adam H. Kerman
>The Addams Family movies *claimed* they skipped the TV series and went
>back to the printed source material. They were blatantly lying of
>course.
Snarf. Considering the characters were unnamed in the one-panel cartoon...
Invid Fan
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
> every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>
Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
novel :)
(it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
counts as inspiration)
Default User
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
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> Default User <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Well, no. The existence of a MASH book didn't mean that the TV series was
>>adapted from it. Clearly the movie was the inspiration.
>
> You are second-guessing an unequivocally written Subject.
I believe you are the one second-guessing.You have added restrictions that
weren't present in either the Subject or body of the original message.
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Default User
> "16 Bad TV Shows That Were Either Adapted From Movies Or Adapted From
> The Same Source Material As A Movie Which Was Released Prior To The
> Production Of The Bad TV Show In Question" would have been an awkward
> thread title.
Well, it's the Kerman way to take a mildly fun and interesting subthread and
turn it into a pissing contest because everyone else is Doing It Wrong.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>Well, no. The existence of a MASH book didn't mean that the TV series was
>>>adapted from it. Clearly the movie was the inspiration.
>>You are second-guessing an unequivocally written Subject.
>I believe you are the one second-guessing.You have added restrictions that
>weren't present in either the Subject or body of the original message.
Then your inability to understand plain English is on you, for it's
absolutely clear in the context of movies and television what "adapted
from" means.
Mason Barge
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
The argument is going to get a bit silly and complex if you take this too
far. A lot of movies are adapted from books that almost nobody has read,
and it's at least possible that someone made a bad movie and someone else
made a bad tv series from a good book. Or a bad book!
And actually I'm not clear -- can the bad tv show be adapted from a bad
movie?
Plus, Teen Wolf the tv show isn't, from the little I've seen, a whole lot
worse than Teen Wolf the Movie.
Obveeus
"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Plus, Teen Wolf the tv show isn't, from the little I've seen, a whole lot
> worse than Teen Wolf the Movie.
Other than using the title, there doesn't really seem to be any similarity
at all.
Anim8rFSK
Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <itdc2i$fc5$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
> > every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
> >
> Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
> novel :)
> (it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
> counts as inspiration)
It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
whole parody bit is a retcon.
Obveeus
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <itdc2i$fc5$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if
>> > almost
>> > every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>> >
>> Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
>> novel :)
>> (it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
>> counts as inspiration)
>
> It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
> straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
> whole parody bit is a retcon.
You don't think the film was intentionally making fun of the military
mindset and the direction it could take in the future?
Invid Fan
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <160620111340236142%in...@loclanet.com>,
> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <itdc2i$fc5$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> > <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
> > > every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
> > >
> > Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
> > novel :)
> > (it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
> > counts as inspiration)
>
> It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
> straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
> whole parody bit is a retcon.
No, he set out to mock all the ideas Heinlein put forward in the book
as serious suggestions for society. It's kind of like a pro-slavery
Uncle Tom's Cabin, or a pro Jewish Mein Kampf.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
>>>every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>>Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
>>novel :)
>>(it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
>>counts as inspiration)
>It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
>straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
>whole parody bit is a retcon.
I did not know that. Well, it made me laugh.
Professor Bubba
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> >>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> >>>You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
> >>>every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>
> >>Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
> >>novel :)
> >>(it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
> >>counts as inspiration)
>
> >It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
> >straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
> >whole parody bit is a retcon.
>
> I did not know that. Well, it made me laugh.
I wouldn't have called it a parody. I thought he (very successfully)
made a film of the fascist wank that some people (not me, though)
consider the book to be. The conversion of the book's Juan Rico from a
Filipino to the film's Aryan poster boy is indicative of this.
The film is very funny in spots because it's so over the top -- almost
farcical.
Anim8rFSK
wrote:
I know it wasn't. I know people that know Verhaovanen. I used to have
this discussion with a friend of mine all the time; he was from the
"it's satire" school. Then one night they all ended up at
Vanderhortnein's house after work, and he called me about 2am and said
"my god, you were right, he thought Starship Troopers was a serious
action flick"
Obveeus
You said the same thing about Flash Gordon a few days ago. In both cases, I
see no reason why they cannot be both action flick and intentionally
campy/overthetop/funny and I don't buy into the idea that the people making
these films were clueless about what they had done.
Anim8rFSK
wrote:
Well, gee, that's nice, but in the case of Flash, Dino and the marketing
people sure were (now the writer and director may have had a different
idea) and actually WORKED to cut the laughs, and in the case of
Troopers, a friend of mine who was firmly in the "it's done for laughs"
reversed his position after spending the evening talking to
Verhermhoovenainski. I can easily understand how I could make a movie
in a language I wasn't good at and have the native speakers receive it
in a totally different way than I intended.
Obveeus
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> in the case of
> Troopers, a friend of mine who was firmly in the "it's done for laughs"
> reversed his position after spending the evening talking to
> Verhermhoovenainski. I can easily understand how I could make a movie
> in a language I wasn't good at and have the native speakers receive it
> in a totally different way than I intended.
I don't see how Doogie Howser doing medical experiments with a jackhammer is
something that gets lost via a language barrier.
Anim8rFSK
wrote:
You've never dealt with a movie producer.
Mason Barge
I was fittin' to say -- satire, not parody.
Although it's all nonsense. Clearly, ST was a cutting-edge sci-fi space
epic, ahead of its time. Especially the group showers. Verhaovanen is a
visionary.
Seriously, you know that the guy is an excellent film-maker when he stays
with Dutch WW2 drama? I saw Black Book a couple of years back and then
searched out a copy of Soldiers of Orange. Both very good.
Mason Barge
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>>You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
>>>>every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>
>>>Sure you can. I mean, the movie Starship Troopers was inspired by the
>>>novel :)
>>>(it's an intentional parody of the themes of the book, but that still
>>>counts as inspiration)
>
>>It's not an intentional parody. Vandervorheovoean thought he made a
>>straight forward actioner (it helps that he barely speaks English). The
>>whole parody bit is a retcon.
>
>I did not know that. Well, it made me laugh.
A classic movie satire -- tied with "Species" on my all-time-favorite
list. The only way he could have improved it was to talk Denise Richards
into doing the shower scene with <drool> Dina.
I mean, come on, it's not like she never showed off those bodacious
chi-chi's on screen!
Mason Barge
Oh yeah, LOL, there's that.
Bill Steele
wrote:
Actually the title, the names of two characters and the idea that being
a werewolf makes him good at sports. After that it's best described as
Twilight teen angst but with werewolves.
This is also a good example of what "adapted" means. You'd think it
means "This movie/book/comic book has been a big success, so let's take
the things that made it successful and put them in a TV show."
Unfortunately what it usually means is "This movie/book/comic book has
been a big success, so if we make a TV show that has the same name
people will watch it." What happens after that depends on the writers
and producers they hire.
Mason Barge
Or in some cases, notably Buffy, "this movie had a great concept but
sucked; let's make a tv show that is nothing like the movie but will be
great."
globular
> MTV is unveiling its new series based on the Michael J. Fox �80s flick
> Teen Wolf. From an unknown Sandra Bullock in the Working Girl spin-off
> to the failed Ferris Bueller series with Jennifer Aniston, see more
> films butchered by the tube.
>
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2982/1/
>
> LOGAN�S RUN (1977-1978)
>
> Despite receiving less than stellar reviews, this 1976 film adaption of
> the novel of the same name became a cult hit. In the movie, Logan 5
> (Michael York) is on the run with Jessica 6 after refusing to accept the
> 23rd-century dystopia where one�s life must end at 30. In the TV show,
> not much changed, except for the fact that none of the original cast
> made the move to small screen. Nevertheless, the static plot allowed CBS
> to save money by reusing footage from the film for the 2400s cityscape
> and instead, depicting Logan and Jessica almost solely in a futuristic
> hovercraft. After one season, Logan�s Run was canceled, but the pair was
> still being chased and audiences may see a conclusion for Logan and
> Jessica yet: A remake has reportedly been in the works since 1994 and
> the latest update is that Ryan Gosling will allegedly be starring as
> Logan 4 (take 3).
I recall this show, but not well.
>
> PLANET OF THE APES (1974-1974)
>
> The 1968 sci-fi classic Planet of the Apes launched a franchise that�s
> still in the works: More than 40 years later with the upcoming Rise of
> the Planet of the Apes, starring James Franco. But not every installment
> of the story about a futuristic crew of astronauts who crash-land on a
> strange planet where apes dominate was a winner. In 1974, the hairy tale
> made its way to the small screen with only the late Roddy McDowall from
> the films along for the ride. �We made a deal when I came to do this
> series that the makeup can be on my face only a certain number of hours
> a day,� he told Smash magazine in 1974. �Having had experience with the
> films beforehand, I know where the exhaustion point is. When the
> make-up�s been on about 10 hours, you start to get really bugged.�
> Despite McDowall�s devotion to sitting in a makeup chair for three hours
> at 4 a.m. every day while filming the series, even he knew the show
> didn�t have the same social and political messages as the films.
> �Basically, the show is just great entertainment. And if you try to read
> into it any deep, momentous undercurrents, you risk becoming a terrible
> bore,� McDowall told Smash. Eventually, viewers did and the show was
> canceled after 14 episodes, one of which didn�t air due to controversy
> about weapons of mass destruction, a particularly hot-button issue
> considering this was all at the end of the Vietnam War.
>
>
I remember this show. It was disconcerting where the humans all talked.
McDowall was pretty enamoured with keeping his ape character going I
believe. I never thought it was that bad.
globular
It was a long stewing process that contributed to this.
>
> You cannot contend that the tv series was inspired by the movie if almost
> every important aspect of the movie was dumped by the tv producers.
>
>> I have no doubts that there are TV series that went back to the source book.
>> The ones you objected to do not fit the category.
>
> You're not thinking it through.
MASH was starting to turn into GroundHog Day after all the years it was
on. I never want to watch this show again.
Bill Steele
Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd say that was more "Let's make a TV show that carries the story
forward and expands on the concept of the movie," and since ti was done
by the original creator, he was entitled.
erilar
arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> I'm posting a bit late, but... Stargate SG-1?
I liked the series better than the movie 8-)
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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Ubiquitous
>I'm posting a bit late, but... Stargate SG-1?
Reread the subject; it says "_bad_ TV shows"...
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21st century."
Anim8rFSK
web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> In article <iug5jt$dkn$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>, arro...@rahul.net wrote:
>
> >I'm posting a bit late, but... Stargate SG-1?
>
> Reread the subject; it says "_bad_ TV shows"...
So SGU then.