What Are 4 Out of 5 Broadcast Networks Doing That's SO Wrong?

[W/Q]

Looking at Tuesday's ratings, it continues to astound me how many
viewers a 10-year-old series like NCIS is pulling in, along with its
spin-off NCIS: LA and even Vegas, all on CBS. It's embarrassing to
the other networks and what they can barely muster - and then night
was all new, not a repeat in sight.

8:00 NCIS 21.5 million / 13.1 rating
That's about 5 million more viewes than what ABC, NBC, FOX and CW got
collectively and 2.5 rating points better over the other nets'
collective TOTAL. Not just embarrassing, but utterly humiliating. It
even won the hour in demos with a 3.7.

9:00 NCIS: LA 16.6 million / 10.2 rating
Even the spin-off easily topped the 8.4 collective total of ABC and
NBC and came in about just 1.5 under the opposing 4-net total. Still
an easy win and still snaring the 1st place demo title with a 3.1.

10:00 Vega 10.2 million / 6.6 rating
The weakest of the trio, but again it beat ABC's 7.9/5.3 for The
Bachelor and NBC's 4.1/2.8 for Smash's return. The demo win, however,
went to Bachelor with a 2.6. While the viewer count for Vegas did
better than any other show on the night by at least a couple of
million viewers, if not more, except for the NCIS twins, it's likely
still not good enough for CBS to think about renewing it for next
season.

So what's CBS doing that the other networks aren't that sees The Eye
far outdistancing the others and losing them in the ratings dust?
They're being what they're supposed to be - a "Broadcast" network, as
opposed to a niche or demo-friendly one. The others are also supposed
to be "Broad"casting and not nichecasting. Sure, their shows are
crap, but clearly they'll be the last network standing when the
downfall of broadcast TV really hits the fan.

[W/Q]

On Feb 7, 12:54 pm, "Captain B.F Pinkerton"
<captbfpintker...@butterfly.puccini.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:09:51 -0800, W/Q wrote:
> > So what's CBS doing that the other networks aren't that sees The Eye far
> > outdistancing the others and losing them in the ratings dust? They're
> > being what they're supposed to be - a "Broadcast" network, as opposed to
> > a niche or demo-friendly one.  The others are also supposed to be
> > "Broad"casting and not nichecasting.
>

> Well lets see QUALITY SHOWS PEOPLE WANT TO watch... for the most part
> (execpt 60 minutes, dorq house, dorqbrother, etc.) ...I probably pull
> more CBS shows than any other OTA/traditional network...
>
> As for being a broadcast network.. with the S&P memo leak (intentional PR!
> ) I wouldn't call them much of a broadcast network.. they are living in
> the past....
> Yeah.. yeah... the nannyment FCC and its stupid rules on content... it is
> 2013... nudity, expletivites, sexual content... etc.... but but the
> kiddies might see it! SO??!?!!?!?!?!? Not a parent NOT MY PROBLEM, and
> MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE GOVERNMENTS!
>
> Just as the Hays code and the ratings of movies are an outdated system
> that both need to be thrown out! The Hays Code/Production code is still
> embodied within the ratings crap... don't be fooled.. just changing the
> shell its under....
>
> Look at NotBroadcastingChannel? ? Look at the shows... other than Chicago
> Fire, SMASH and for the most part Grimm.. what do they have to offer? ?
> NOTHING but somphmoronic crap.. communitycrap, new normal fag fest, go on
> crap, and the crap goes ON! 3 shows out of an entire line up.
>
> ABC..... lets see Once Upon a Time, Revenge, Scandal, Last Man Standing,
> Castle, Happy Endings, Nashville, Suburgatory, Last Resort... wow 8 (9
> counting cancelled shows) good shows and the rest of that crap.
>
> CBS though took risks, with crap like the fag fest partners... BZZT CRAP!
> Blew it with Working Girl TV 2.0 aka Jersey Girl, had they done this
> differently they could have had a hit, they played it wrong, and 20 years
> too late.
>
> Fox has Bones, and.... well thats it! The Mob Doctor, I liked, but its
> cancelled... So thats 1 SHOW, and then there are all those crap
> sophmoronic cartoons...
>
> Well I am starting to see a trend here... sophmoronic crap that abounds
> on just about every channel in excess, EXCEPT CBS! They have 4 shows. v
> what 10+ each on other networks! All pandering to that rogen/macfarland
> lowest denominator level... theres your problem! (Best Mythbuster voice!)

>
> >Sure, their shows are crap, but
> > clearly they'll be the last network standing when the downfall of
> > broadcast TV really hits the fan.
>

> So... their shows are crap... YET they get ratings and your praising them
> for it? ? ? ?


CBS is succeeding in their business model as a broadcast network.
Quality has nothing to do with it. If you get quality, consider
yourself lucky. CBS used to carve out a good chunk of its schedule to
quality back in the Neanderthal days, but now it's just one seamless
crime procedural after another with nothing that changes in any of
them except the names of the characters along with a string of
indistinguishable faceless sitcoms with over-generated laugh machines
spiking what studio laughter is in them.



>
> The OTA model has been dead for about 2 decades, the NAB and its members
> have just hoodwinked the networks into continuing the status quo some
> how... The affiliates are like buggy whip makers, outside the Amish
> communities, and equestrian niche markets, their time has come and gone.
>
> Same with OTA..
>
> There should be 4 FEEDS! Unlike the others, this E/W with C/M 1 hour off,
> is just BS! It too should have died decades ago! The networks need to
> move to direct distribution with all subs getting ALL FOUR FEEDS!
>
> But...but...but... sports crap, news crap... local crap... WHO CARES!
>
> Sports = espn etc..but but blackouts and all the crap.. take it up with
> the MLB et al and their antics! Who cares if a Cincinnati resident in NV,
> AK, or AU (some how get its) watches that versus.. local crap team...but
> this is a problem for the sportstards to solve and PAY FOR THEM SELVES!
>
> WX , noaa.gov, window, wx station, GOES sat, EMWIN feed (VHF or internet)
>
> News = cnn, etc...
>
> Local news = who cares... snnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> The NAB has had DBS waste tons of $$$ on satellite tech for spots for the
> LiL BS. Well the DBS could use that wasted tech for feeds of local news
> channels if so damn important.. I have not seen local news in decades...
> and my life continues with out issue... imagine that...

[W/Q]

On Feb 7, 6:11 pm, "Captain B.F Pinkerton"
<captbfpintker...@butterfly.puccini.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:33:54 -0800, W/Q wrote:
>
> TL;DR
>
> Could not find a reply within a fully quoted message.

You're newsreader must be wonky.

YOU: So... their shows are crap... YET they get ratings and your

praising them for it? ? ? ?

ME: CBS is succeeding in their business model as a broadcast network.

[erilar]

Cluttering up the airwaves with excruciating so-called "reality" shows.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[W/Q]

On Feb 8, 12:50 pm, "Captain B.F Pinkerton"
<captbfpintker...@butterfly.puccini.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:19:36 -0800, W/Q wrote:
> > You're newsreader must be wonky.
>

> No, mine works fine.. I scrolled to the end found no reply... I don't
> scroll through excessive quoting to find replies...thats why alot of
> threads get ignored as when the message comes up, theres huge amounts of
> quoting with no visible reply.. move on to the next one...
>
> Its the same problem I have on other lists I operate, those using their
> non compliant software reply at the top, I reject their messages as spam
> as they are non compliant. Same for excessive quoting... Most that have
> been there long enough know the rules and adjust to over come their
> softwares non compliant behavior. Its normally just the newbie meat that
> has to learn things...which is spelled out in the welcome message they
> get when they sign up... few read it, if any.

My reply wasn't at the very end because it was in the middle, replying
directly to what you said at that point. There shouldn't be any
quotes andr it all shouldn't come through as one long quote because
there aren't any at my end where everything is clearly partitioned as
to who said what and when and the reply was clearly partitioned too.

>
> > ME: CBS is succeeding in their business model as a broadcast network.
> > Quality has nothing to do with it.  If you get quality, consider
> > yourself lucky.  CBS used to carve out a good chunk of its schedule to
> > quality back in the Neanderthal days,
>

> Quality v. the current networks, is at CBS. I won't disagree that the
> level of quality ALL AROUND has dropped SIGNIFIGANTLY on the OTA networks.
>
> Crapble is just if not even more guilty... I can remember when A&E and
> Bravo actually had ARTS, ENTERTAINEMNT and what Bravo started for/as!
> Which is NOTHING LIKE WHAT EITHER has morphed to.

>
> > but now it's just one seamless
> > crime procedural after another with nothing that changes in any of them
> > except the names of the characters along with a string of
>

> I'll agree to a point on the over abundance of crime dramas... but for
> the most part they are still quality products above the rest.. except for
>
> CSI
> blue bloods - With their treatment of Esposito I am glad I ditched it...
> Moynahan is nummy NUMMMY! But the nycesspool content and other forumalic
> in re nycesspool just doesn't appeal to me and neither Espisito or
> Moynahann could over come that.
>
> Criminal Minds.... I like Tripplehorn... but the whole ordeal with
> Brewster just left me... meh... meh... next....

The only one I can handle, and not necessarily every week, is Person
of Interest. At least that one makes a token effort of straying away
from the standard CBS crime show formula and partially succeeds. All
else is boring or stupid and interchangeable with each other.

>
> > indistinguishable faceless sitcoms with over-generated laugh machines
> > spiking what studio laughter is in them.
>

> Indistinquishable sitcoms.... OH THEY ARE VERY DISTINQUISHABLE...
>
> Sophmoronic trash
> 2.5 men
> 2 broke girls
>
> rules of engagement - although I like this mainly for Megyn Price.. the
> other just needs to keep her mouth shut... but spade puts it into this
> category but looks like its toast with a lead leaving.
>
> v. tired.
>
> How I met your Mother - liked the first few seasons.. it got old and
> repitive... that neither Halligan or barnies stripper girlfrend couldn't
> over come, and smulders... just morphed to below HQ acceptable levels...
> shudder...
>
> Mike & Molly - with NO HQ rated content... it was funny and cute for a
> while, that while is up... plus its lorre, and I need to cut back on that
> jerks content.. (Sheen has you nailed jerk! WINNING!)
>
> V. Quality
>
> Big Bang Theory
>
> CBS is the major pull for me, and has been probably for 3 years, maybe
> more... the rest don't rate too well...the only way any one comes close
> is if you change the formula and allow USAN to count as NBC.

I get more laughs, and real ones, out of a single hour of Real Time
with Bill Maher than all those CBS sitcoms combined over a month.
Since the CSI/Survivor era began in 2000, the number of worthy shows
the network has aired I can count on one, maybe even two hands, and
most of them didn't last long. Sorry, I'm no cheerleader for the
network, but I can recognize they're doing an effective job of staying
in business and keeping an undemanding mass audience tuned in, without
having to be anal about the 18-49 demo, to a degree that none of the
other broadcast nets can hope at this point of ever achieving for
themselves again, because they all continue to be anal about the 18-49
demo, which is a losing demo to be focused on these days since they're
migrating elsewhere for escape because the broadcast nets are just
plain too old hat for them.