Star Trek X Possibilities
Erich Owens
fully equipped with late 24th century weapon systems (transphasic torpedoes,
the new armor systems) and most likely oodles of information on other
futuristic technologies based on research of Admiral Janeway's shuttle (like
the new Stealth technology). What do you think the possibility of the
Enterprise and other Starfleet ships utilizing these technologies are? As I
said in another post, the timeline has already been contaminated, giving the
cool new technology to other ships can't possibly hurt. But then we run
into the factor that if any ol' starship can blow Borg Cubes out of the
water, what possibly enemy would give us a real threat? This is interesting
to consider...
Also, because of the newly promoted Admiral Janeway's cameo in ST:X, it
isn't as though they can't pretend Endgame did not happen.
One more thing... What do you folks think the possibility of us seeing the
new uniforms in ST:X being? I like both the Grey FC/DS9 uniforms as much as
I do the futuristic All Good Things/The Visitor/Endgame uniforms. Though I
like the "All Good Things..." combadge the best. 7 years of Voyager bored
me to tears with their uniform and comm badge.
-Erich Owens
Gattancha
the same one that was used throughout TNG?
Why couldn't they have come up with a new one based on the FC/DS9
uniforms???
I do kind of like the comm-badge though.......
Which makes me ask.. are there going be communicators in ENTERPRISE and if
so, wot will they look like?
Will they bear any resemblance to Kirks communicator?
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Garrovick
The only problem I see is the date that is the date of ST:X....
Just because it will be shown after Voyager, doesn't mean that's the time
line for the movie....
However, I an almost convinced that ST:XI will be a Voyager movie...
Suppose it's about Starfleet using their "new" technology to go out and take
on the Borg with preemptive strikes....
Or makes a quick trip over to the Romulan Empire for a little negotiation
about their future behavior.....
"Erich Owens" <spnkb...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>Which makes me ask.. are there going be communicators in ENTERPRISE and if
>so, wot will they look like?
>Will they bear any resemblance to Kirks communicator?
I heard they are going to use StarTACs.
Timo S Saloniemi
>If you'd recall the end of Voyager, "Engame", the USS Voyager returned home,
>fully equipped with late 24th century weapon systems (transphasic torpedoes,
>the new armor systems) and most likely oodles of information on other
>futuristic technologies based on research of Admiral Janeway's shuttle (like
>the new Stealth technology). What do you think the possibility of the
>Enterprise and other Starfleet ships utilizing these technologies are?
Far greater than the possibility of Starfleet utilizing the random
alien technology gathered in a regular episode of TNG or DS9 or VOY.
After all, most of the marvels brought back by Voyager are either
Starfleet-built in the first place, or then adapted for use aboard
a Starfleet ship already with the help of a fairly knowledgeable
ex-Borg. It will be much easier to integrate something like that
to the Enterprise (or to newbuild ships) than install an unfamiliar
and alien piece of tech.
Then again, such integration might take more time than will elapse
between "Endgame" and ST X, thus excusing the fact that we will see
an essentially unchanged E-E in that movie.
>As I said in another post, the timeline has already been contaminated,
>giving the cool new technology to other ships can't possibly hurt.
>But then we run into the factor that if any ol' starship can blow Borg
>Cubes out of the water, what possibly enemy would give us a real threat?
>This is interesting to consider...
Not only will Starfleet be invulnerable to the attacks of its current
competitors (who cannot possibly adapt the technology for their use
as quickly as Starfleet can) - Starfleet will also be in possession
of a true intragalactic drive system, whether it be the Borg transwarp
or the slipstream drive. Both of those drives have a fair chance of
being compatible with Starfleet tech and deployable within the next
five years. This means Starfleet will be at least a thousand times
faster than its enemies, and can reac at least a thousand times
farther.
And that means they can run into a whole bunch of new enemies...
Of course, the Borg will also quickly adapt. Janeway Sr did give
them the secrets of the new fancy stuff before going out with
a bang. I trust they will stay on top of galactic affairs in the
foreseeable future.
>Also, because of the newly promoted Admiral Janeway's cameo in ST:X, it
>isn't as though they can't pretend Endgame did not happen.
One negative too many in that sentence, I think... But I agree with
the sentiment. Voyager did happen. "Endgame" did happen. And there should
be consequences. Which I'm pretty sure the writers cannot easily work
into the TNG stories. Which is why I'm happy there is no TNG-era show
running at the moment, just a prequel.
>One more thing... What do you folks think the possibility of us seeing the
>new uniforms in ST:X being?
Low. I trust the existing wardrobe will just be slightly expanded.
There was a reason to go for new uniforms when the TNG movies started,
to "ante up the coolness factor". "Generations" missed the boat, since
the new uniforms designed for that movie did not quite pan out and
the producers were forced to say they would be "one new element too
many". ST:FC gave us an acceptable new wardrobe, and I don't think
there's any reason for TPTB to try and create a distinction between
this highly successful movie and new movie products.
>I like both the Grey FC/DS9 uniforms as much as I do the futuristic All
>Good Things/The Visitor/Endgame uniforms. Though I like the "All Good
>Things..." combadge the best. 7 years of Voyager bored me to tears
>with their uniform and comm badge.
Actually, I agree with you here. Most people seem to think the "AGT.."
unifroms as hideous. Sure, they are a bit baggy and not at all flashy,
but at least they look comfortable, like something one would *want* to
wear. The ST:FC stuff is dark and heavy-looking and makes the impression
it's something one *has* to wear.
The general trend in DS9 seemed to be to "downgrade" Trek from the TNG
norm, to show that things were still hard and gritty and difficult.
The "AGT.." future looks bright to me, thanks to the uniforms. It
has the atmosphere of complacency and satisfaction that TNG radiated.
That's something to look forward to. It might not be a very dramatic
future if it was to serve as the setting for a TV show - but it is
an excellent dramatic future for a TV show set into another era to
*aspire to*.
Timo Saloniemi
Erich Owens
"Timo S Saloniemi" <tsal...@alpha.hut.fi> wrote in message
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> In article <BVsc7.20743$K6.7816959@news2> "Erich Owens"
<spnkb...@home.com> writes:
> >If you'd recall the end of Voyager, "Engame", the USS Voyager returned
home,
> >fully equipped with late 24th century weapon systems (transphasic
torpedoes,
> >the new armor systems) and most likely oodles of information on other
> >futuristic technologies based on research of Admiral Janeway's shuttle
(like
> >the new Stealth technology). What do you think the possibility of the
> >Enterprise and other Starfleet ships utilizing these technologies are?
>
> Far greater than the possibility of Starfleet utilizing the random
> alien technology gathered in a regular episode of TNG or DS9 or VOY.
> After all, most of the marvels brought back by Voyager are either
> Starfleet-built in the first place, or then adapted for use aboard
> a Starfleet ship already with the help of a fairly knowledgeable
> ex-Borg. It will be much easier to integrate something like that
> to the Enterprise (or to newbuild ships) than install an unfamiliar
> and alien piece of tech.
That'd be interesting to see, I think.
> Then again, such integration might take more time than will elapse
> between "Endgame" and ST X, thus excusing the fact that we will see
> an essentially unchanged E-E in that movie.
Hmm. I'd like if they took note of the new technology, but with the plot
point you mentioned. Nice thinking!
> >As I said in another post, the timeline has already been contaminated,
> >giving the cool new technology to other ships can't possibly hurt.
> >But then we run into the factor that if any ol' starship can blow Borg
> >Cubes out of the water, what possibly enemy would give us a real threat?
> >This is interesting to consider...
>
> Not only will Starfleet be invulnerable to the attacks of its current
> competitors (who cannot possibly adapt the technology for their use
> as quickly as Starfleet can) - Starfleet will also be in possession
> of a true intragalactic drive system, whether it be the Borg transwarp
> or the slipstream drive. Both of those drives have a fair chance of
> being compatible with Starfleet tech and deployable within the next
> five years. This means Starfleet will be at least a thousand times
> faster than its enemies, and can reac at least a thousand times
> farther.
Oh dear, you're right! Voyager's database has tons of interquadrantal drive
systems, doesn't it? The Warp 10 one from Threshold--<pause> <blink> What
was I saying? Must've been a figment of my imagination. There has never
been a Threshold. I love Big Brother. *_*
Seriously though, what does Voyager have? Quantum Slipstream, Borg
Transwarp Coil info... I remember the Demon Voyager crew had some new Warp
Drive, but I doubt the real crew had info on that...
> And that means they can run into a whole bunch of new enemies...
>
> Of course, the Borg will also quickly adapt. Janeway Sr did give
> them the secrets of the new fancy stuff before going out with
> a bang. I trust they will stay on top of galactic affairs in the
> foreseeable future.
Oooh, good point. Damn, I want more info on the TNG universe now, but all
we'll have for a while are the movies and novels. Oh well. As long as its
eventually revisited in more movies, or some series in the future, I'll be
happy.
Though, every appearance of the new uniform has been in hard times, hasn't
it? First Contact, Insurr-(Never mind), and the Dominion War. I trust this
is why the Voyager crew did not upgrade uniforms after learning of the new
ones?
> The general trend in DS9 seemed to be to "downgrade" Trek from the TNG
> norm, to show that things were still hard and gritty and difficult.
> The "AGT.." future looks bright to me, thanks to the uniforms. It
> has the atmosphere of complacency and satisfaction that TNG radiated.
> That's something to look forward to. It might not be a very dramatic
> future if it was to serve as the setting for a TV show - but it is
> an excellent dramatic future for a TV show set into another era to
> *aspire to*.
Well, personally, I loved DS9. I'm glad my fox affiliate is now showing it
more often. And I hope my UPN affiliate will soon as well, especially since
All Good Things Part 2 aired tonight. The Dominion War, combined with the
deep characters, story of Bajor, etc, etc, all combine to be hella good.
-Erich Owens
> Timo Saloniemi
Graham Kennedy
>
> Oh dear, you're right! Voyager's database has tons of interquadrantal drive
> systems, doesn't it? The Warp 10 one from Threshold--<pause> <blink> What
> was I saying? Must've been a figment of my imagination. There has never
> been a Threshold. I love Big Brother. *_*
>
> Seriously though, what does Voyager have? Quantum Slipstream, Borg
> Transwarp Coil info... I remember the Demon Voyager crew had some new Warp
> Drive, but I doubt the real crew had info on that...
Coaxial warp core, null space catapult,
underspace corridors, Sikarian trajector.
> > And that means they can run into a whole bunch of new enemies...
> >
> > Of course, the Borg will also quickly adapt. Janeway Sr did give
> > them the secrets of the new fancy stuff before going out with
> > a bang. I trust they will stay on top of galactic affairs in the
> > foreseeable future.
>
> Oooh, good point. Damn, I want more info on the TNG universe now, but all
> we'll have for a while are the movies and novels. Oh well. As long as its
> eventually revisited in more movies, or some series in the future, I'll be
> happy.
I doubt it will be. We're looking at a minimum of 7+ years to
any new series. Even assuming they do a post Voyager show then,
there's no guarantee that they will want to stick to something
established so long ago.
And this is likely to be the last TNG movie. Can you see them
doing a movie that introduces a brand new Trek concept in the
post Voyager era? Doubtful.
--
Graham Kennedy
Author, Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Timo S Saloniemi
>Erich Owens wrote:
>> Seriously though, what does Voyager have? Quantum Slipstream, Borg
>> Transwarp Coil info... I remember the Demon Voyager crew had some new Warp
>> Drive, but I doubt the real crew had info on that...
>Coaxial warp core, null space catapult,
>underspace corridors, Sikarian trajector.
And the "Threshold" super-dilithium Erich already mentioned, as well
as lots of new data on how to detect natural wormholes and predict
their behavior.
What of these could Starfleet hope to use?
Things that worked aboard Voyager, and should still work:
-Slipstream (both original hasty "Hope and Fear" installation and
the more thoroughly engineered "Timeless" application): gives
you some very seriously fast long-range transportation, but
apparently is too fast and clumsy for short-range use, at least
so far.
-Borg transwarp: gives a wide range of speeds, from mundane to
truly staggering; has tactical as well as strategic uses, but
requires a transwarp coil, which perhaps cannot be manufactured
by Federation science.
-Super-dilithium: is easy to jury-rig into existing small craft,
gives the fastest speed of them all - infinite! Apparently can
also give lower speeds if required. At some point, frog-o-mizer
effects kick in, but perhaps this could be avoided by traveling
at lower speeds? And de-frogification is easy. At least unmanned
applications should exist.
Things that worked for Voyager, but are not available:
-Null-space catapult: gives one-shot acceleration, and apparently
also allows long-range communications for a while after the shot;
but you can't carry it with you. And it might be that a Caretaker-
model power core is required, and the only one now resides in
the catapult.
-Readymade Borg transwarp conduits: while you can make conduits
if you have the coil, you might not find the readymade ones unless
you have some secret Borg passwords and maps. Does Seven have these?
Doubtful, since she never used them to help the ship.
-Sikarian trajector: works only on Sikaria. 'Nuff said.
-Waadwaur underspace corridors: may only exist near the Waadwaur
planet, and are as difficult to locate as Borg conduits, if
not more so. Perhaps a bit inflexible.
-Coaxial warp core: they no longer have it. I think. I didn't
give much attention to the show at that point.
-Ransom's "biomatter drive": even if Starfleet decides it's
okay to burn aliens for fuel, it will be very difficult to obtain
these aliens. And we don't know how much of an improvement this
gives, since Ransom's statements were quite contradictory.
Things Voyager never encountered but which could help Starfleet:
-Iconian portals: the ultimate in teleportation. Possibly very
long range, apparently ludicrous speed. The question is, would
it be sufficient to control one portal? Can a portal only
send people out to arbitrary spot, but not pull them in from
arbitrary locations? Starfleet is unlikely to know how to
duplicate a portal even if it gets its hands on one.
-Cytherian improvements: They worked fine for TNG "Nth Degree",
and the secrets are locked up somewhere in Barclay's mind. At
least as good as slipstream.
-Kelvan improvements: They worked fine for TOS "By Any Other Name",
but we don't know if Scotty wrote the specs down. Not as good
as slipstream or transwarp, but still good enough for intragalactic
use. Or unmanned/stasis intergalactic applications.
-Kalandan improvements: Consisting of jamming of existing machinery
to unsafe settings, they nearly wrecked the ship in TOS "That Which
Survives". Better than Kelvan drive, though, and the Enterprise
did survive.
-assistance from Traveler's race: what do you pay to get one of
these to work for you? How do you enslave one?
>I doubt it will be. We're looking at a minimum of 7+ years to
>any new series.
Well, if the going is good, they might begin a new show in
just two or three years, to run parallel with ENT. "We offer a
complete range of Trek products: old and new, TV and movie!"
>Even assuming they do a post Voyager show then,
>there's no guarantee that they will want to stick to something
>established so long ago.
Indeed, after the hiatus, they might feel that the era has been
milked dry. A spinoff might instead deal with the virgin ENT era,
or return to the Kirk era which has had more exposure but only
one set of heroes and thus only one vantage point so far. Thus,
no conflicts with our post-Voyager expectations.
Or if they do post-Voyager, they may choose to do distant post-Voyager,
a century or two down the line. Again, no fear of nitpicky conflicts -
anything may have happened during those centuries.
Either of these sounds a more likely path for Paramount to take than a
simple return to the TNG/DS9/VOY era. New shows always have to be
marketed as "radically unlike the old ones" (even if they are explicit
rehashes of 60s sitcoms or 50s comics), and a change of era is an
easy way to get some backing to such a claim.
The third way would be to do something like a Klingon show - something
TPTB might do if the show would run in parallel with ENT, providing a
"second show" for people who already are hooked to the primary show.
That sort of thing could take place in any previously explored era -
TNG, TOS or ENT. It might be too big a risk to take, though.
>And this is likely to be the last TNG movie. Can you see them
>doing a movie that introduces a brand new Trek concept in the
>post Voyager era? Doubtful.
This might happen. I'm actually more willing to believe in a
Trek movie project that has no connection to any of the TV shows
than in a project that expands on either VOY, DS9 or ENT. If ENT
doesn't disappoint TPTB, then they at least know there is a market
for all-new things with a vague Trek connection. And if ST X
flops big time despite its heavy "fan-friendly" content (familiar
villains, TNG TV references, cross-references all the way back
to TOS), then Paramount might begin to more actively dislike the
burden of tie-ins and pseudohistories and cross-references,
and go for something "fresh and clean".
Timo Saloniemi
Rectus Dominus
tsal...@alpha.hut.fi (Timo S Saloniemi) wrote:
> Most people seem to think the "AGT.."
> unifroms as hideous. Sure, they are a bit baggy and not at all flashy,
> but at least they look comfortable, like something one would *want* to
> wear. The ST:FC stuff is dark and heavy-looking and makes the impression
> it's something one *has* to wear.
>
> The general trend in DS9 seemed to be to "downgrade" Trek from the TNG
> norm, to show that things were still hard and gritty and difficult.
> The "AGT.." future looks bright to me, thanks to the uniforms. It
> has the atmosphere of complacency and satisfaction that TNG radiated.
> That's something to look forward to. It might not be a very dramatic
> future if it was to serve as the setting for a TV show - but it is
> an excellent dramatic future for a TV show set into another era to
> *aspire to*.
>
> Timo Saloniemi
I think the best uniforms are the ones in Star Trek 2 though 6, the
later seasons of Next Generation, and First Contact.
I did not like any of the alternate future timeline uniforms in "All
Good Things" or "Endgame", nor do I care much for the Voyager uniforms.
They remind me too much of the pajamas worn in Star Trek the Motion
Picture and the first 2 seasons of Next Generation.
Regardless of their scientific research and exploration, Starfleet is a
military organization and the uniforms should reflect that. Besides, it
just doesn't look right when Cardassians and Klingons walk around
wearing armor while Starfleet officers walk around in pajamas.
And speaking of movie uniforms, I thought those dress uniforms in
Insurrection really made the officers look like the crew of the Love
Boat.
--
Rectus Dominus
Graham Kennedy
>
> In article <3B73AEC4...@adeadend.demon.co.uk> Graham Kennedy <gra...@adeadend.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >Erich Owens wrote:
>
> >> Seriously though, what does Voyager have? Quantum Slipstream, Borg
> >> Transwarp Coil info... I remember the Demon Voyager crew had some new Warp
> >> Drive, but I doubt the real crew had info on that...
>
> >Coaxial warp core, null space catapult,
> >underspace corridors, Sikarian trajector.
>
> And the "Threshold" super-dilithium Erich already mentioned, as well
> as lots of new data on how to detect natural wormholes and predict
> their behavior.
>
> What of these could Starfleet hope to use?
>
> Things that worked aboard Voyager, and should still work:
>
> -Slipstream (both original hasty "Hope and Fear" installation and
> the more thoroughly engineered "Timeless" application): gives
> you some very seriously fast long-range transportation, but
> apparently is too fast and clumsy for short-range use, at least
> so far.
This depended on special crystals which it may not
be possible to create again. Then again, Arturis's
version of slipstream didn't seem to need such
crystals, and although it was much slower than the
drve Voyager used, it was still a hundredfold
increase over typical Federation warp speeds. And
they did get to study the thing for a couple of
days.
Here's a thought on slipstream - it worked much better for
the small Delta Flyer than it did for the larger Voyager.
Maybe this is why ships of the 29th century sre smaller than
the 24th century ones? To facilitate slipstream travel?
> -Borg transwarp: gives a wide range of speeds, from mundane to
> truly staggering; has tactical as well as strategic uses, but
> requires a transwarp coil, which perhaps cannot be manufactured
> by Federation science.
I've been re-working my stuff on transwarp lately with Endgame
in mind. Even if we go with the idea that laying down a conduit
as you go is much slower than going down a pre-existing conduit,
then that laying down process is still likely to be *much*
faster than conventional warp drive. Geordi's Descent quote
that transwarp is "at least twenty times faster" than the
E-D's maximum warp is very much at the lower end of the scale,
it seems. At the upper end, "Endgame" implies speeds well into
the billions xc.
And this is probably their *best* bet for an advanced drive
system. Voyager's crew already has practical hands on
experience of using Borg TX coils in both the Delta Flyer
and Voyager itself. All that is needed is the ability to
make the coils. One presumes that Seven of Nine knows how
this is done, and they already have a burned out coil to
study.
> -Super-dilithium: is easy to jury-rig into existing small craft,
> gives the fastest speed of them all - infinite! Apparently can
> also give lower speeds if required. At some point, frog-o-mizer
> effects kick in, but perhaps this could be avoided by traveling
> at lower speeds? And de-frogification is easy. At least unmanned
> applications should exist.
It may be that they are never able to work out how to make that
stuff. Frankly I'd prefer that they never get warp 10 transwarp,
it's one of those things that's a little *too* advanced for my
tastes.
> Things that worked for Voyager, but are not available:
>
> -Null-space catapult: gives one-shot acceleration, and apparently
> also allows long-range communications for a while after the shot;
> but you can't carry it with you. And it might be that a Caretaker-
> model power core is required, and the only one now resides in
> the catapult.
My impression was that they did need the tetryon power
core, and that this was beyond Federation tech. Doubtful
that this will be a useful tech anytime soon.
> -Readymade Borg transwarp conduits: while you can make conduits
> if you have the coil, you might not find the readymade ones unless
> you have some secret Borg passwords and maps. Does Seven have these?
> Doubtful, since she never used them to help the ship.
Actually she did try this in "Day of Honor", and we've
seen that Voyager can detect conduits on occasion using
its normal sensors. But opening a conduit seems to bave
become a much more dangerous thing to do in DoH than in
Descent - in the latter it almost caused a warp core
breach when they tried. Perhaps a security measure
adopted by the Borg? If so, it seems unlikely that the
Federation will be using Borg conduits anytime soon.
> -Sikarian trajector: works only on Sikaria. 'Nuff said.
Unless they can find a planet with a mantle of "tetrahedral
quartz", whatever that might be. And build some compatible
systems to run the trajector. Not likely.
> -Waadwaur underspace corridors: may only exist near the Waadwaur
> planet, and are as difficult to locate as Borg conduits, if
> not more so. Perhaps a bit inflexible.
Agreed. Not a likely candidate at all.
> -Coaxial warp core: they no longer have it. I think. I didn't
> give much attention to the show at that point.
Strangely, they did say that they still had the craft
at the end of the show and Tom worked on the engines in
enough detail that he should have a good idea how they work,
but have never used it since. Maybe it crashed and burned
off screen at some point.
> -Ransom's "biomatter drive": even if Starfleet decides it's
> okay to burn aliens for fuel, it will be very difficult to obtain
> these aliens. And we don't know how much of an improvement this
> gives, since Ransom's statements were quite contradictory.
I can't see them ever using this, even if they had access
to the aliens.
> Things Voyager never encountered but which could help Starfleet:
>
> -Iconian portals: the ultimate in teleportation. Possibly very
> long range, apparently ludicrous speed. The question is, would
> it be sufficient to control one portal? Can a portal only
> send people out to arbitrary spot, but not pull them in from
> arbitrary locations? Starfleet is unlikely to know how to
> duplicate a portal even if it gets its hands on one.
Agreed.
> -Cytherian improvements: They worked fine for TNG "Nth Degree",
> and the secrets are locked up somewhere in Barclay's mind. At
> least as good as slipstream.
Probably better, but nobody but super-Barclay seemed to have
a clue how it worked. And with his return to normal, that
option seems to be lost.
> -Kelvan improvements: They worked fine for TOS "By Any Other Name",
> but we don't know if Scotty wrote the specs down. Not as good
> as slipstream or transwarp, but still good enough for intragalactic
> use. Or unmanned/stasis intergalactic applications.
The info given was that it would take 300 years to reach
Andromeda. That's about 7,300 x c, not much better than
current Federation tech.
> -Kalandan improvements: Consisting of jamming of existing machinery
> to unsafe settings, they nearly wrecked the ship in TOS "That Which
> Survives". Better than Kelvan drive, though, and the Enterprise
> did survive.
>
> -assistance from Traveler's race: what do you pay to get one of
> these to work for you?
He said his people had only recently found us interesting
enough to bother with. I doubt material payment of any kind
would interest him or his.
> How do you enslave one?
Carefully!
> >I doubt it will be. We're looking at a minimum of 7+ years to
> >any new series.
>
> Well, if the going is good, they might begin a new show in
> just two or three years, to run parallel with ENT. "We offer a
> complete range of Trek products: old and new, TV and movie!"
Berman is on record as saying that it was a great mistake
to run Voyager parallel to DS9, that it diluted the audience
of both shows. I can't see him doing that again even if
Enterprise does really well.
7 years is the minimum figure. For all we know, the next
series would be another prequel, or would be set int the
pre-TNG era. That could make any post-Voyager series
happen 15+ years from now!
> >Even assuming they do a post Voyager show then,
> >there's no guarantee that they will want to stick to something
> >established so long ago.
>
> Indeed, after the hiatus, they might feel that the era has been
> milked dry. A spinoff might instead deal with the virgin ENT era,
> or return to the Kirk era which has had more exposure but only
> one set of heroes and thus only one vantage point so far. Thus,
> no conflicts with our post-Voyager expectations.
>
> Or if they do post-Voyager, they may choose to do distant post-Voyager,
> a century or two down the line. Again, no fear of nitpicky conflicts -
> anything may have happened during those centuries.
>
> Either of these sounds a more likely path for Paramount to take than a
> simple return to the TNG/DS9/VOY era. New shows always have to be
> marketed as "radically unlike the old ones" (even if they are explicit
> rehashes of 60s sitcoms or 50s comics), and a change of era is an
> easy way to get some backing to such a claim.
Personally, I think that the TNG/DS9/VOY era is pretty much
played out. Although it's interesting... consider that the
Enterprise setup is a new ship vastly faster than any other,
pushing out to explore deep space. If the Federation does
crack one of the new drive systems Voyager has encountered,
you could set virtually the same premise a year or two after
Voyager's end. The Federation's first transwarp drive ship,
etc etc.
I always favoured a TOS-TNG style jump after Voyager, but
I don't see it ever happening now. The franchise has turned
in on itself with Enterprise, and I suspect it will be a long
time, if ever, before they want to look forwards again.
> The third way would be to do something like a Klingon show - something
> TPTB might do if the show would run in parallel with ENT, providing a
> "second show" for people who already are hooked to the primary show.
> That sort of thing could take place in any previously explored era -
> TNG, TOS or ENT. It might be too big a risk to take, though.
I've never considered such a show likely. Like the academy
idea, or section 13 or whatever it's called, it seems a bit
narrow in scope to me. I even saw somebody suggest a show set
on a Borg cube once. Imagine that. "This week cube 187632
assimilates species 9341. Next week - cube 187632 assimilates
species 9355. Don't forget the upcoming series finale in which
cube 187632 assimilates species 9368!
> >And this is likely to be the last TNG movie. Can you see them
> >doing a movie that introduces a brand new Trek concept in the
> >post Voyager era? Doubtful.
>
> This might happen. I'm actually more willing to believe in a
> Trek movie project that has no connection to any of the TV shows
> than in a project that expands on either VOY, DS9 or ENT. If ENT
> doesn't disappoint TPTB, then they at least know there is a market
> for all-new things with a vague Trek connection. And if ST X
> flops big time despite its heavy "fan-friendly" content (familiar
> villains, TNG TV references, cross-references all the way back
> to TOS), then Paramount might begin to more actively dislike the
> burden of tie-ins and pseudohistories and cross-references,
> and go for something "fresh and clean".
I thought the idea of using Trek X as a pilot for the new
series (an idea floated before Enterprise became official)
was an interesting one. But that's not going to happen unless
they wait seven years to do the next movie. Right now the
fate of Trek XI is totally dependant on how X does. If X
does well enough, they might even try for another TNG movie.
I agree that a DS9 or Voy spinoff is unlikely, neither one
would suit a movie well I think. But they might well do an
Enterprise spinoff movie if the show works well enough.
Erich Owens
"Graham Kennedy" <gra...@adeadend.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Eh, let's not extrapolate guesses about the 29th century. From the episode
"Relativity" we do know they have much larger time ships, and besides,
they're also apparantely able to transport ANYWHERE in the space/time contin
uum.
Okay, I just have to correct you--Did you mean Former? :D
And the security measures thing seems doubtful. In Endgame, the armored
Voyager just waltzed in and entered the hub, granting it passage almost
anywhere in the galaxy. Though I suspect that coded-apperature entrances
and the heavily guarded motherfuckingly huge Hub are two different things,
eh?
> > -Sikarian trajector: works only on Sikaria. 'Nuff said.
>
> Unless they can find a planet with a mantle of "tetrahedral
> quartz", whatever that might be. And build some compatible
> systems to run the trajector. Not likely.
>
> > -Waadwaur underspace corridors: may only exist near the Waadwaur
> > planet, and are as difficult to locate as Borg conduits, if
> > not more so. Perhaps a bit inflexible.
>
> Agreed. Not a likely candidate at all.
Can someone tell me which episode this was from?
> > -Coaxial warp core: they no longer have it. I think. I didn't
> > give much attention to the show at that point.
>
> Strangely, they did say that they still had the craft
> at the end of the show and Tom worked on the engines in
> enough detail that he should have a good idea how they work,
> but have never used it since. Maybe it crashed and burned
> off screen at some point.
Or maybe they just didn't want us to have the faster warp drive so that
Voyager wouldn't get home faster? =P
> > -Ransom's "biomatter drive": even if Starfleet decides it's
> > okay to burn aliens for fuel, it will be very difficult to obtain
> > these aliens. And we don't know how much of an improvement this
> > gives, since Ransom's statements were quite contradictory.
>
> I can't see them ever using this, even if they had access
> to the aliens.
>
> > Things Voyager never encountered but which could help Starfleet:
> >
> > -Iconian portals: the ultimate in teleportation. Possibly very
> > long range, apparently ludicrous speed. The question is, would
> > it be sufficient to control one portal? Can a portal only
> > send people out to arbitrary spot, but not pull them in from
> > arbitrary locations? Starfleet is unlikely to know how to
> > duplicate a portal even if it gets its hands on one.
>
> Agreed.
Okay--I seem to recall a TNG episode where they were on some planet, and
there was this portal that kept flashing through all these places, including
the Enterprise-D bridge. Was this an Iconian Portal? And why did they
lose it?
> > -Cytherian improvements: They worked fine for TNG "Nth Degree",
> > and the secrets are locked up somewhere in Barclay's mind. At
> > least as good as slipstream.
>
> Probably better, but nobody but super-Barclay seemed to have
> a clue how it worked. And with his return to normal, that
> option seems to be lost.
Shame. :(
> > -Kelvan improvements: They worked fine for TOS "By Any Other Name",
> > but we don't know if Scotty wrote the specs down. Not as good
> > as slipstream or transwarp, but still good enough for intragalactic
> > use. Or unmanned/stasis intergalactic applications.
>
> The info given was that it would take 300 years to reach
> Andromeda. That's about 7,300 x c, not much better than
> current Federation tech.
>
> > -Kalandan improvements: Consisting of jamming of existing machinery
> > to unsafe settings, they nearly wrecked the ship in TOS "That Which
> > Survives". Better than Kelvan drive, though, and the Enterprise
> > did survive.
> >
> > -assistance from Traveler's race: what do you pay to get one of
> > these to work for you?
>
> He said his people had only recently found us interesting
> enough to bother with. I doubt material payment of any kind
> would interest him or his.
>
> > How do you enslave one?
>
> Carefully!
Pfft. Give Janeway one of her handheld phaser cannons she loves so dearly,
and she'd be able to coerce one of them. <grins>
> > >I doubt it will be. We're looking at a minimum of 7+ years to
> > >any new series.
> >
> > Well, if the going is good, they might begin a new show in
> > just two or three years, to run parallel with ENT. "We offer a
> > complete range of Trek products: old and new, TV and movie!"
>
> Berman is on record as saying that it was a great mistake
> to run Voyager parallel to DS9, that it diluted the audience
> of both shows. I can't see him doing that again even if
> Enterprise does really well.
>
> 7 years is the minimum figure. For all we know, the next
> series would be another prequel, or would be set int the
> pre-TNG era. That could make any post-Voyager series
> happen 15+ years from now!
And by then no one would care.
Allow me to scream? <gets nodded approval from the newsgroup members>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ahem* Okay, all done. :-D
Funny. :-P
AAH! You're the author of that site! I love it!
So when're ya gonna update with info about the weapons seen in Endgame? :-D
-Erich Owens
Julius Harper
in Paramount, I wouldnt be suprised if they wrote off the Endgame as an
alternate reality or something convienient. Because if they can use that
technology, it's basically like we went to a couple of tribes on islands
somewhere and gave one of them machine guns. There Is No Contest. And people
with power like to expand it. It might be interesting to see a few . . .
militaristic . . . captains take advantage of this technological miracle.
But then another possibility is that our 29th Century Time Cops gave them a
slap on the hand and threw Voyager back into the DQ thirty seconds after
Endgame ended. =P
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"Erich Owens" <spnkb...@home.com> wrote in message
news:BVsc7.20743$K6.7816959@news2...
Graham Kennedy
Oh, alright, if you want to be a spoilsport about it. ;-)
> From the episode
> "Relativity" we do know they have much larger time ships, and besides,
> they're also apparantely able to transport ANYWHERE in the space/time contin
> uum.
Even the relativity looked small... if you take the growth
in ships over the 23rd - 24th century and applied it to
the next five hundred years, you end up with things well
over a mile long. And remember that based on the 29th
century info he had, Starling said Voyager was bigger
than he had expected. And Voyager is not a big ship at
all by 24th century standards.
> > Actually she did try this in "Day of Honor", and we've
> > seen that Voyager can detect conduits on occasion using
> > its normal sensors. But opening a conduit seems to bave
> > become a much more dangerous thing to do in DoH than in
> > Descent - in the latter it almost caused a warp core
> > breach when they tried. Perhaps a security measure
> > adopted by the Borg? If so, it seems unlikely that the
> > Federation will be using Borg conduits anytime soon.
>
> Okay, I just have to correct you--Did you mean Former? :D
Yup.
> And the security measures thing seems doubtful. In Endgame, the armored
> Voyager just waltzed in and entered the hub, granting it passage almost
> anywhere in the galaxy. Though I suspect that coded-apperature entrances
> and the heavily guarded motherfuckingly huge Hub are two different things,
> eh?
Exactly. If getting into a conduit without a hub is dangerous
to your ship, and getting into one of only six hubs in the
galaxy involves getting past 45+ cubes, frankly I wouldn't
fancy my chances either way.
> > > -Waadwaur underspace corridors: may only exist near the Waadwaur
> > > planet, and are as difficult to locate as Borg conduits, if
> > > not more so. Perhaps a bit inflexible.
> >
> > Agreed. Not a likely candidate at all.
>
> Can someone tell me which episode this was from?
"Dragon's Teeth"
> > > -Coaxial warp core: they no longer have it. I think. I didn't
> > > give much attention to the show at that point.
> >
> > Strangely, they did say that they still had the craft
> > at the end of the show and Tom worked on the engines in
> > enough detail that he should have a good idea how they work,
> > but have never used it since. Maybe it crashed and burned
> > off screen at some point.
>
> Or maybe they just didn't want us to have the faster warp drive so that
> Voyager wouldn't get home faster? =P
Dastardly writers! :-)
But this kind of thing was one of Voyager's more annoying
tendancies. THey should have had the baddie blow it up
or something.
> > > -Iconian portals: the ultimate in teleportation. Possibly very
> > > long range, apparently ludicrous speed. The question is, would
> > > it be sufficient to control one portal? Can a portal only
> > > send people out to arbitrary spot, but not pull them in from
> > > arbitrary locations? Starfleet is unlikely to know how to
> > > duplicate a portal even if it gets its hands on one.
> >
> > Agreed.
>
> Okay--I seem to recall a TNG episode where they were on some planet, and
> there was this portal that kept flashing through all these places, including
> the Enterprise-D bridge. Was this an Iconian Portal? And why did they
> lose it?
Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
to get hold of it.
> > He said his people had only recently found us interesting
> > enough to bother with. I doubt material payment of any kind
> > would interest him or his.
> >
> > > How do you enslave one?
> >
> > Carefully!
>
> Pfft. Give Janeway one of her handheld phaser cannons she loves so dearly,
> and she'd be able to coerce one of them. <grins>
Hmm, sounds like "the secret logs of mistress Janeway" ;-)
> > 7 years is the minimum figure. For all we know, the next
> > series would be another prequel, or would be set int the
> > pre-TNG era. That could make any post-Voyager series
> > happen 15+ years from now!
>
> And by then no one would care.
>
> Allow me to scream? <gets nodded approval from the newsgroup members>
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> *ahem* Okay, all done. :-D
Now look at that scream through the Hubble space telescope,
and you have my reaction to the whole Enterprise thing.
> > Author, Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> > http://www.ditl.org
> >
>
> AAH! You're the author of that site! I love it!
<blush>
> So when're ya gonna update with info about the weapons seen in Endgame? :-D
Sunday. I got an amazing amount of info out of that episode,
actually. There are something like 20+ pages being updated
because of it. Lots of nice pictures, updates to the character
bios, series guides, weapons, sci-tech stuff, you name it.
Lyon_Wonder
<Garr...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>What you posted would be good to see, or at least some of it....
>The only problem I see is the date that is the date of ST:X....
>Just because it will be shown after Voyager, doesn't mean that's the time
>line for the movie....
>However, I an almost convinced that ST:XI will be a Voyager movie...
I Hope no:( I want a DS9 Trek Movie!!!
Erich Owens
Well I guess in the future less space will be required. I mean, the major
reasons for the large ships in the 24th century is the Bigger is Better
philosophy, right? As in Phaser Banks, the Warp Core, Photon/Quantum
Torpedo tubes... I think the efficiency gained in the 29th century allows
for smaller ships to be built.
> > > Actually she did try this in "Day of Honor", and we've
> > > seen that Voyager can detect conduits on occasion using
> > > its normal sensors. But opening a conduit seems to bave
> > > become a much more dangerous thing to do in DoH than in
> > > Descent - in the latter it almost caused a warp core
> > > breach when they tried. Perhaps a security measure
> > > adopted by the Borg? If so, it seems unlikely that the
> > > Federation will be using Borg conduits anytime soon.
> >
> > Okay, I just have to correct you--Did you mean Former? :D
>
> Yup.
Sorry. :(
> > And the security measures thing seems doubtful. In Endgame, the armored
> > Voyager just waltzed in and entered the hub, granting it passage almost
> > anywhere in the galaxy. Though I suspect that coded-apperature
entrances
> > and the heavily guarded motherfuckingly huge Hub are two different
things,
> > eh?
>
> Exactly. If getting into a conduit without a hub is dangerous
> to your ship, and getting into one of only six hubs in the
> galaxy involves getting past 45+ cubes, frankly I wouldn't
> fancy my chances either way.
Probably as how the borg see it as well.
> > > > -Waadwaur underspace corridors: may only exist near the Waadwaur
> > > > planet, and are as difficult to locate as Borg conduits, if
> > > > not more so. Perhaps a bit inflexible.
> > >
> > > Agreed. Not a likely candidate at all.
> >
> > Can someone tell me which episode this was from?
>
> "Dragon's Teeth"
Thank ya. :-D <goes to read Jim's review of it>
BTW, Jim's reviews are great, next best thing to seeing the episode. Is
there a similar thing for TNG or DS9?
> > > > -Coaxial warp core: they no longer have it. I think. I didn't
> > > > give much attention to the show at that point.
> > >
> > > Strangely, they did say that they still had the craft
> > > at the end of the show and Tom worked on the engines in
> > > enough detail that he should have a good idea how they work,
> > > but have never used it since. Maybe it crashed and burned
> > > off screen at some point.
> >
> > Or maybe they just didn't want us to have the faster warp drive so that
> > Voyager wouldn't get home faster? =P
>
> Dastardly writers! :-)
>
> But this kind of thing was one of Voyager's more annoying
> tendancies. THey should have had the baddie blow it up
> or something.
Yes, I agree.
> > > > -Iconian portals: the ultimate in teleportation. Possibly very
> > > > long range, apparently ludicrous speed. The question is, would
> > > > it be sufficient to control one portal? Can a portal only
> > > > send people out to arbitrary spot, but not pull them in from
> > > > arbitrary locations? Starfleet is unlikely to know how to
> > > > duplicate a portal even if it gets its hands on one.
> > >
> > > Agreed.
> >
> > Okay--I seem to recall a TNG episode where they were on some planet, and
> > there was this portal that kept flashing through all these places,
including
> > the Enterprise-D bridge. Was this an Iconian Portal? And why did they
> > lose it?
>
> Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
> Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
> to get hold of it.
Aah, so this is what you want to see happen to Voyager technology then?
> > > He said his people had only recently found us interesting
> > > enough to bother with. I doubt material payment of any kind
> > > would interest him or his.
> > >
> > > > How do you enslave one?
> > >
> > > Carefully!
> >
> > Pfft. Give Janeway one of her handheld phaser cannons she loves so
dearly,
> > and she'd be able to coerce one of them. <grins>
>
> Hmm, sounds like "the secret logs of mistress Janeway" ;-)
Oh dear. @_@
> > > 7 years is the minimum figure. For all we know, the next
> > > series would be another prequel, or would be set int the
> > > pre-TNG era. That could make any post-Voyager series
> > > happen 15+ years from now!
> >
> > And by then no one would care.
> >
> > Allow me to scream? <gets nodded approval from the newsgroup members>
> >
> >
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > *ahem* Okay, all done. :-D
>
> Now look at that scream through the Hubble space telescope,
> and you have my reaction to the whole Enterprise thing.
LOL. It might be good. Let's just wait and see. :)
> > > Author, Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> > > http://www.ditl.org
> > >
> >
> > AAH! You're the author of that site! I love it!
>
> <blush>
>
> > So when're ya gonna update with info about the weapons seen in Endgame?
:-D
>
> Sunday. I got an amazing amount of info out of that episode,
> actually. There are something like 20+ pages being updated
> because of it. Lots of nice pictures, updates to the character
> bios, series guides, weapons, sci-tech stuff, you name it.
Ooh, fun stuff. Could you email me the exact pages updated? *_*
> --
> Graham Kennedy
>
> Author, Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
-Erich Owens
Graham Kennedy
>
> > Even the relativity looked small... if you take the growth
> > in ships over the 23rd - 24th century and applied it to
> > the next five hundred years, you end up with things well
> > over a mile long. And remember that based on the 29th
> > century info he had, Starling said Voyager was bigger
> > than he had expected. And Voyager is not a big ship at
> > all by 24th century standards.
>
> Well I guess in the future less space will be required. I mean, the major
> reasons for the large ships in the 24th century is the Bigger is Better
> philosophy, right? As in Phaser Banks, the Warp Core, Photon/Quantum
> Torpedo tubes... I think the efficiency gained in the 29th century allows
> for smaller ships to be built.
It's hard to say. Maybe the Federation is so large than
only a million small ships can cover the territory,
rather than ten thousand big ones.
> > > Can someone tell me which episode this was from?
> >
> > "Dragon's Teeth"
>
> Thank ya. :-D <goes to read Jim's review of it>
>
> BTW, Jim's reviews are great, next best thing to seeing the episode. Is
> there a similar thing for TNG or DS9?
I've never found such a thing, and I have looked fairly
hard now and again. I love his Voyager reviews, as you say
they are certainly great - in fact, the best reviews of
any show that I've ever come across. Even if he has gone
all lazy on season seven!
> > Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
> > Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
> > to get hold of it.
>
> Aah, so this is what you want to see happen to Voyager technology then?
Yes and no. It would be a bit overwhelming to have
ALL of these technologies turn up, so I'd like to see
most fo them turn out to be unworkable, but I'd like
to see the Federation with transwarp drive - the Borg
conduit version seems to be the best bet for that.
> > Now look at that scream through the Hubble space telescope,
> > and you have my reaction to the whole Enterprise thing.
>
> LOL. It might be good. Let's just wait and see. :)
<Harumph> I guess so.
> > > AAH! You're the author of that site! I love it!
> >
> > <blush>
> >
> > > So when're ya gonna update with info about the weapons seen in Endgame?
> :-D
> >
> > Sunday. I got an amazing amount of info out of that episode,
> > actually. There are something like 20+ pages being updated
> > because of it. Lots of nice pictures, updates to the character
> > bios, series guides, weapons, sci-tech stuff, you name it.
>
> Ooh, fun stuff. Could you email me the exact pages updated? *_*
Sorry, but I can't do that. But the what's new section always
lists them.
Erich Owens
> Erich Owens wrote:
> >
> > > Even the relativity looked small... if you take the growth
> > > in ships over the 23rd - 24th century and applied it to
> > > the next five hundred years, you end up with things well
> > > over a mile long. And remember that based on the 29th
> > > century info he had, Starling said Voyager was bigger
> > > than he had expected. And Voyager is not a big ship at
> > > all by 24th century standards.
> >
> > Well I guess in the future less space will be required. I mean, the
major
> > reasons for the large ships in the 24th century is the Bigger is Better
> > philosophy, right? As in Phaser Banks, the Warp Core, Photon/Quantum
> > Torpedo tubes... I think the efficiency gained in the 29th century
allows
> > for smaller ships to be built.
>
> It's hard to say. Maybe the Federation is so large than
> only a million small ships can cover the territory,
> rather than ten thousand big ones.
The federation seems *confusing* then. Usually I have no problem with time
travel episodes, but "Relativity" was just FUCKED.
> > > > Can someone tell me which episode this was from?
> > >
> > > "Dragon's Teeth"
> >
> > Thank ya. :-D <goes to read Jim's review of it>
> >
> > BTW, Jim's reviews are great, next best thing to seeing the episode. Is
> > there a similar thing for TNG or DS9?
>
> I've never found such a thing, and I have looked fairly
> hard now and again. I love his Voyager reviews, as you say
> they are certainly great - in fact, the best reviews of
> any show that I've ever come across. Even if he has gone
> all lazy on season seven!
Grr, I know. I wanna read Q2's review! It's like the one season 7 ep. I
have not seen!
> > > Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
> > > Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
> > > to get hold of it.
> >
> > Aah, so this is what you want to see happen to Voyager technology then?
>
> Yes and no. It would be a bit overwhelming to have
> ALL of these technologies turn up, so I'd like to see
> most fo them turn out to be unworkable, but I'd like
> to see the Federation with transwarp drive - the Borg
> conduit version seems to be the best bet for that.
But that went all kablooey in Endgame?
> > > Now look at that scream through the Hubble space telescope,
> > > and you have my reaction to the whole Enterprise thing.
> >
> > LOL. It might be good. Let's just wait and see. :)
>
> <Harumph> I guess so.
>
> > > > AAH! You're the author of that site! I love it!
> > >
> > > <blush>
> > >
> > > > So when're ya gonna update with info about the weapons seen in
Endgame?
> > :-D
> > >
> > > Sunday. I got an amazing amount of info out of that episode,
> > > actually. There are something like 20+ pages being updated
> > > because of it. Lots of nice pictures, updates to the character
> > > bios, series guides, weapons, sci-tech stuff, you name it.
> >
> > Ooh, fun stuff. Could you email me the exact pages updated? *_*
>
> Sorry, but I can't do that. But the what's new section always
> lists them.
No... I meant a list.... Not the actual pages themselves. :-)
-Erich
Graham Kennedy
>
> >
> > It's hard to say. Maybe the Federation is so large than
> > only a million small ships can cover the territory,
> > rather than ten thousand big ones.
>
> The federation seems *confusing* then. Usually I have no problem with time
> travel episodes, but "Relativity" was just FUCKED.
Yeah. I try not to think about time travel episodes too much.
I created a whole section on the site about them, but that
was mostly because they tend to have such cool stuff going
on in them - the whole section is basically an excuse to do
lots of screencaps of stuff like Voyager under the ice in
Timeless, or ramming the Timeship in Year of Hell.
One of the things going up on Sunday is a temporal section
page on the ep, btw.
> > I've never found such a thing, and I have looked fairly
> > hard now and again. I love his Voyager reviews, as you say
> > they are certainly great - in fact, the best reviews of
> > any show that I've ever come across. Even if he has gone
> > all lazy on season seven!
>
> Grr, I know. I wanna read Q2's review! It's like the one season 7 ep. I
> have not seen!
There's some good fun moments there. I didn't realise until
afterwards that Q2 was played by JDL's real son - they must
have had a fun time doing this one, and it really shows.
> > > > Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
> > > > Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
> > > > to get hold of it.
> > >
> > > Aah, so this is what you want to see happen to Voyager technology then?
> >
> > Yes and no. It would be a bit overwhelming to have
> > ALL of these technologies turn up, so I'd like to see
> > most fo them turn out to be unworkable, but I'd like
> > to see the Federation with transwarp drive - the Borg
> > conduit version seems to be the best bet for that.
>
> But that went all kablooey in Endgame?
Their network did, but I and others (mostly Timo) have
guessed before now that the idea of transwarp coils is that
they make the conduits in the first place, so you need them
if you are going "where no Borg has gone before", so to speak.
Conduits would then normally collapse some time later, and
the point of the hub is to provide a sort of support system
for the conduits to keep them from degrading away.
The point of which is to explain why a coil was so important
in Dark Frontier, but not needed in Descent, Day of Honor,
or Endgame.
> > Sorry, but I can't do that. But the what's new section always
> > lists them.
>
> No... I meant a list.... Not the actual pages themselves. :-)
Well, here's what I've got done :
Episode guides updated through the end of season 7.
All ep guide statistics pages updated likewise.
Temporal entry on Endgame.
Temporal ship entry for the future Nova class.
Temporal ship entry for Admiral Janeway's shuttle.
New Sci-tech entry on Ablative Armour.
Sci-tech entry on transwarp updated text and images.
Weaponry entry on transphasic torpedoes.
Character bios updated for everybody on Voyager (except Kes).
Timeline updated to show Voyager's arrival.
Timeline section gets a page to show alternate timelines events.
Transwarp article re-written to reflect Endgame.
Paig Chong Woo
remain almost the same for 80+ years from TOS movies to TNG? It seems that
uniforms (pajamas) from Pike's time and TOS time had changed slightly, and
after that, they had the TOS movies uniforms (red vests), and between TOS
movies and TNG, they had the same vests, but without the white sweater
beneath. And the uniforms changed in TNG every 2 years or so, with some
radical modifications. So how come they had the same red vests for 80 years?
As well for the insignas?
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Erich Owens
> Erich Owens wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's hard to say. Maybe the Federation is so large than
> > > only a million small ships can cover the territory,
> > > rather than ten thousand big ones.
> >
> > The federation seems *confusing* then. Usually I have no problem with
time
>
> Yeah. I try not to think about time travel episodes too much.
> I created a whole section on the site about them, but that
> was mostly because they tend to have such cool stuff going
> on in them - the whole section is basically an excuse to do
> lots of screencaps of stuff like Voyager under the ice in
> Timeless, or ramming the Timeship in Year of Hell.
Whoo hoo!
> One of the things going up on Sunday is a temporal section
> page on the ep, btw.
Makes sense.
> > > I've never found such a thing, and I have looked fairly
> > > hard now and again. I love his Voyager reviews, as you say
> > > they are certainly great - in fact, the best reviews of
> > > any show that I've ever come across. Even if he has gone
> > > all lazy on season seven!
> >
> > Grr, I know. I wanna read Q2's review! It's like the one season 7 ep.
I
> > have not seen!
>
> There's some good fun moments there. I didn't realise until
> afterwards that Q2 was played by JDL's real son - they must
> have had a fun time doing this one, and it really shows.
A repeat was on last night at 12:30 AM! It was fun! Though JDL's hair
bugged me.
> > > > > Yes it was, and they blew it up because it was in the
> > > > > Romulan Neutral Zone and they didn't want the Romulans
> > > > > to get hold of it.
> > > >
> > > > Aah, so this is what you want to see happen to Voyager technology
then?
> > >
> > > Yes and no. It would be a bit overwhelming to have
> > > ALL of these technologies turn up, so I'd like to see
> > > most fo them turn out to be unworkable, but I'd like
> > > to see the Federation with transwarp drive - the Borg
> > > conduit version seems to be the best bet for that.
> >
> > But that went all kablooey in Endgame?
>
> Their network did, but I and others (mostly Timo) have
> guessed before now that the idea of transwarp coils is that
> they make the conduits in the first place, so you need them
> if you are going "where no Borg has gone before", so to speak.
> Conduits would then normally collapse some time later, and
> the point of the hub is to provide a sort of support system
> for the conduits to keep them from degrading away.
Okay, I'm sorry, when you went network I thought UPN and did a little "Whoo
hoo!" thought as I pictured their logo going nuclear. :-D
> The point of which is to explain why a coil was so important
> in Dark Frontier, but not needed in Descent, Day of Honor,
> or Endgame.
>
> > > Sorry, but I can't do that. But the what's new section always
> > > lists them.
> >
> > No... I meant a list.... Not the actual pages themselves. :-)
>
> Well, here's what I've got done :
>
> Episode guides updated through the end of season 7.
> All ep guide statistics pages updated likewise.
> Temporal entry on Endgame.
> Temporal ship entry for the future Nova class.
> Temporal ship entry for Admiral Janeway's shuttle.
> New Sci-tech entry on Ablative Armour.
> Sci-tech entry on transwarp updated text and images.
> Weaponry entry on transphasic torpedoes.
> Character bios updated for everybody on Voyager (except Kes).
> Timeline updated to show Voyager's arrival.
> Timeline section gets a page to show alternate timelines events.
> Transwarp article re-written to reflect Endgame.
I can't wait for all this to be uploaded! :D
> Graham Kennedy
>
> Author, Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
-Erich Owens
David B.
>
> Just a question : uniforms seem to change often in Trek, but why did it
> remain almost the same for 80+ years from TOS movies to TNG? It seems that
> uniforms (pajamas) from Pike's time and TOS time had changed slightly, and
> after that, they had the TOS movies uniforms (red vests), and between TOS
> movies and TNG, they had the same vests, but without the white sweater
> beneath. And the uniforms changed in TNG every 2 years or so, with some
> radical modifications. So how come they had the same red vests for 80 years?
> As well for the insignas?
Because there were no movies and shows set during that era. If there
were then mulitple uniforms would've used for marketing purposes.
Timo S Saloniemi
>Just a question : uniforms seem to change often in Trek, but why did it
>remain almost the same for 80+ years from TOS movies to TNG?
"Remaining almost the same" is what real-world uniforms do. I think
the more interesting question would be why there were rapid and radical
changes in the other time periods. Not only did uniform style change,
but rank indicators changed from cuff braid to these fancy pins to
the eventual pips, and now ENT seems to indicate that originally,
both cuff markings and pips were used.
Was there a major change in UFP or Starfleet leadership at each of
these points, perhaps? A big war? A military coup? An embarrassing
scandal that prompted the PR division to alter Starfleet's visual
image so that people would forget faster?
>It seems that uniforms (pajamas) from Pike's time and TOS time had
>changed slightly, and after that, they had the TOS movies uniforms
>(red vests), and between TOS movies and TNG, they had the same vests,
>but without the white sweater beneath.
And without the belts. The minor variation between Pike and TOS, and
between TOS movies and pre-TNG ones, is what I'd expect from real-world
uniforms.
>And the uniforms changed in TNG every 2 years or so, with some
>radical modifications.
Not really. There was one major style that went out of vogue during
the third year, after which things stayed pretty much the same till
the introduction of the "First Contact" uniforms. Only the admirals'
uniforms changed every two years or sometimes even more often. And
you know how vain these admirals are. Naturally they would change
style every so often, and then there would be some holdbacks who
would refuse to wear the new style - heck, some probably still insist
on wearing their great-granddad's Pike-style uniform just for
tradition.
Timo Saloniemi
Graham Kennedy
>
> > Well, here's what I've got done :
> >
> > Episode guides updated through the end of season 7.
> > All ep guide statistics pages updated likewise.
> > Temporal entry on Endgame.
> > Temporal ship entry for the future Nova class.
> > Temporal ship entry for Admiral Janeway's shuttle.
> > New Sci-tech entry on Ablative Armour.
> > Sci-tech entry on transwarp updated text and images.
> > Weaponry entry on transphasic torpedoes.
> > Character bios updated for everybody on Voyager (except Kes).
> > Timeline updated to show Voyager's arrival.
> > Timeline section gets a page to show alternate timelines events.
> > Transwarp article re-written to reflect Endgame.
>
> I can't wait for all this to be uploaded! :D
Wait no more, 'tis all up now.
--
Erich Owens
> Erich Owens wrote:
> >
> > > Well, here's what I've got done :
> > >
> > > Episode guides updated through the end of season 7.
> > > All ep guide statistics pages updated likewise.
> > > Temporal entry on Endgame.
> > > Temporal ship entry for the future Nova class.
> > > Temporal ship entry for Admiral Janeway's shuttle.
> > > New Sci-tech entry on Ablative Armour.
> > > Sci-tech entry on transwarp updated text and images.
> > > Weaponry entry on transphasic torpedoes.
> > > Character bios updated for everybody on Voyager (except Kes).
> > > Timeline updated to show Voyager's arrival.
> > > Timeline section gets a page to show alternate timelines events.
> > > Transwarp article re-written to reflect Endgame.
> >
> > I can't wait for all this to be uploaded! :D
>
> Wait no more, 'tis all up now.
Ooh, and it's great.
You know, I didn't realize that the Rhode Island was a nova-class. But I
must say, the future versions looks a lot better than the current one. It's
like a mini Soveriegn-class! :-D
BTW, why did you give profit and lace only one half star? ;-)
-Erich Owens
Graham Kennedy
>
> You know, I didn't realize that the Rhode Island was a nova-class. But I
> must say, the future versions looks a lot better than the current one. It's
> like a mini Soveriegn-class! :-D
>
> BTW, why did you give profit and lace only one half star? ;-)
It's a personal thing. I can't bear the sight of men in women's
clothing. I spent most of that episode wincing in embarrasment.
It's not rational, but there you go.
Erich Owens
> Erich Owens wrote:
> >
> > You know, I didn't realize that the Rhode Island was a nova-class. But
I
> > must say, the future versions looks a lot better than the current one.
It's
> > like a mini Soveriegn-class! :-D
> >
> > BTW, why did you give profit and lace only one half star? ;-)
>
> It's a personal thing. I can't bear the sight of men in women's
> clothing. I spent most of that episode wincing in embarrasment.
> It's not rational, but there you go.
Hey! Some of my best friends are queens. :-)
-Erich Owens
Graham Kennedy
Never met one in real life, that I know of, but it's something
that I just cannot bear to see. I can't watch Lily Savage, and
wild horses wouldn't drag me to "Priscilla, Queen of the desert".
Dunno why, it's just the way I am. <shrug>
Erich Owens
> > > It's a personal thing. I can't bear the sight of men in women's
> > > clothing. I spent most of that episode wincing in embarrasment.
> > > It's not rational, but there you go.
> >
> > Hey! Some of my best friends are queens. :-)
>
> Never met one in real life, that I know of, but it's something
> that I just cannot bear to see. I can't watch Lily Savage, and
> wild horses wouldn't drag me to "Priscilla, Queen of the desert".
>
> Dunno why, it's just the way I am. <shrug>
LOL, That's allright. Even though you're uncomfortable around them, it's
not like you're spouting hate-words, or anything.
-Erich Owens
Dwayne Allen Day
: Because there were no movies and shows set during that era. If there
: were then mulitple uniforms would've used for marketing purposes.
It doesn't quite work that way--I doubt that they ever consider the
marketing potential of the uniforms when doing the movie. Usually they
are trying their utmost to keep the budget down, so if they can re-use
existing uniforms, they will.
I read somewhere that the uniforms used for Trek VI were mostly the same
ones used in Trek II (at least for the actors who could still fit in
them!). One of the actors stated that his uniform had holes in it.
D
captjim
> > and the secrets are locked up somewhere in Barclay's mind. At
> > least as good as slipstream.
>
> Probably better, but nobody but super-Barclay seemed to have
> a clue how it worked. And with his return to normal, that
> option seems to be lost.
This type of propulsion might be related to the spatial flexure that
could be opened using the deflector by little q in "Q2" [VOY]