Gharlane of Eddore
Sean Eric Fagan
of Eddore" passed away.
I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
point.
What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss him
terribly.
I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
Followups set in honor of him.
Aaron P. Brezenski
Sean, say it ain't so!
Though I'm sure there are some Plagues and Other Entities who shan't mourn
him, I grieve. He was a crotchety Elder God/Primal Being, but he was nearly
always fun, and not above a good measure of self-mockery when we younger
folk caught him in a neural foul-up.
I never knew his real name-- and I could care less! He was a joy, and will
be sorely missed.
I am sure Cronan is making fun of him as I write this, if not on some Higher
Plane, then surely in most of the Many Quantum Alternate Universes.
Rest in peace, Floating Brain In A Jar.
Aaron Brezenski
P.S. Save some leggy redheads for me!
--
Aaron Brezenski
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out to get me."
Card-Carrying Member of the Illuminati
Klyfix
Usenet is going to be a bit less exciting now. He's not really
replaceable.
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Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
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I'll wait for independent confirmation. I refuse to believe it. (Yes, I'm
in denial, but this is USENET, can you blame me being skeptical?)
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Henry Rieke
I shall miss him too.
I've dropped Gharlane a number of notes over the years, and as time
progressed I dropped a postcard or two in the mail from whereever in the
world I was travelling. Last summer I sent him some Icelandic obsidian
from which he sent a quick reply back about how he had to hid it from a
lady friend who chipped her own arrowheads. The funnest thing I thought
was how his 'non de plumes' had 'non de plumes' (the post office box was
listed under Alf's name - Ha!)
I met him on the net was when Babylon-5's first started. I wrote a
horrible review both in terms of content (mostly spelling) and of my
dislike of the show. Gharlane replied to my message by correcting all
of the typoes, mispellings and grammer. That's when I learned to double
space after a period. I also learned to listen to his advice, and
understand that the payoff is more often worth the wait. Which was true
in so many ways.
I can only hope that he and Cronnan are having a bitchen good time where
ever they are.
(Inserting CD - playing " Hang your head down and cry ").
Shit...
norville
...I'm stunned... he was always such a Presence online, he'll leave a
large hole in Usenet. Like Kosh, he had always been here...
I wish it would be revealed that he's just spending a year dead for tax
purposes...
Geoduck
wrote:
(snip)
>I met him on the net was when Babylon-5's first started. I wrote a
>horrible review both in terms of content (mostly spelling) and of my
>dislike of the show. Gharlane replied to my message by correcting all
>of the typoes, mispellings and grammer. That's when I learned to double
>space after a period. I also learned to listen to his advice, and
>understand that the payoff is more often worth the wait. Which was true
>in so many ways.
>
>I can only hope that he and Cronnan are having a bitchen good time where
>ever they are.
(snip)
I can't do it like Gharlane, but if he really is gone, this is the
best tribute I can give him:
ObSp: "Cronan"
--
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O Deus
Sean Eric Fagan wrote in message ...
David Silberstein
>horrible review both in terms of content (mostly spelling) and of my
>dislike of the show. Gharlane replied to my message by correcting all
>of the typoes, mispellings and grammer. That's when I learned to double
>space after a period. I also learned to listen to his advice, and
>understand that the payoff is more often worth the wait. Which was true
>in so many ways.
>
>I can only hope that he and Cronnan are having a bitchen good time where
>ever they are.
>
OBSP: "typos", "misspellings" and "grammar"
Sorry. *grin*
In article <3b282446...@news.olywa.net>, Geoduck <geo...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>I can't do it like Gharlane, but if he really is gone, this is the
>best tribute I can give him:
>
>ObSp: "Cronan"
>
*sigh*. It's just not the same....
jere7my tho?rpe
*Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
*"Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Blinkered buggery.
That crapulent curmudgeon had all the patience and charisma of a
pit viper on speed, but damn, I'm going to miss having him around. He
almost paid me a compliment once, regarding my explanation of Sheridan
dinging fastballs on B5, and the Coriolis force thereon: "Close,
though, and not at all bad for a practicing fizzikist, and getting
better.... *BIG GRIN*......" Made me smile all day.
I hope he and Cronan are sitting in a spaceport bar somewhere,
their Aldebaran whisky sours leaving damp rings on the glass of an old
table-top edition of Space Invaders. Cronan is complaining that the
little alien graphics are crap technology that anyway were designed to
keep the black man down; Gharlane is rummaging around in the machine's
innards with his robotic arms, trying to modify it to send signals back
home to Eddore.
And all the waitresses look like Barbara Eden and Eartha Kitt.
----j7y
******************************* <*> *******************************
jere7my tho?rpe "Being an Osmond, you must
c/o kesh...@umich.edu have many arch-enemies."
(734) 769-0913 ----Space Ghost
La...@la.com
occasional exchange we had.
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:29:48 GMT, s...@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan)
wrote:
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
Mike Van Pelt
>the net as "Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Dang.
My rec.arts.sf.tv newsreading was "/gharlane/f", and
read those. Then lightly skim the remainder.
An era has ended.
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yet, and now this... there's no excuse for this sort of thing.
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
David Silberstein
Let's all queue up and kick God's ass.
I noticed the silence on Sunday, which continued on ominously into Monday,
and up until today. I did wonder where Gharlane was, but I realized that
the television season was over, and he did have other interests. Perhaps
he went on vacation somewhere - I had it in the back of my mind to look
for Science Fiction conventions going on at this time.
Then I got the notice from Sean.
Sean owns the kithrup.com domain, and is the System Admin for the computer
itself. He's got the touch of paranoia in him that is a virtue for that
role, and monitors log files and user activity patterns very carefully. I
trust his knowledge and judgment, and also his sobriety. He isn't the
sort to play practical jokes or rush to conclusions.
It's possible there's just been a terrible mistake, but that seems less
and less likely at this point.
And I found that I seem to have this uncontrollable urge to eulogize.
What the hell, here goes:
-----------------------------------------
So what should we say about Gharlane? Well, we can always point
to the obvious: that out of the many thousands of posts that he
made to USENET (Google archives 8000+, but he's been posting stuff
since long before that), virtually all of those posts were well
written, showing a genuine care for clear language, proper syntax,
and clarity of style. Many were genuinely informative, and showed
a deep respect for competence - good writing, good engineering,
good acting, good production values. Most have at least a smattering
of humor, or at least wit, and some are even gut-bustingly funny.
He wasn't all milk and roses, of course. He often was viciously,
venomously, vituperative when ranting about things he felt a deep
contempt for - bad writing, bad acting, fuzzy thinking in general,
a lack of competence and care for details. I think he overdid the
harshness in his denigration of certain posters (e.g. Dan Tropea),
and sometimes even those criticisms that I agreed with seemed
overly repetitive.
Yet his arrogant attitude often seemed justified -- he just knew
so *much* about SF writing, movies and television, as well as
writing in general, general science and engineering, computers
and USENET history and culture, and so on and on. That, on top of
everything else, made it seem like a genuine honor when he
actually complimented someone or something -- he'd seen so much,
and had such high standards...
I couldn't agree with all of his opinions, of course. I think
he had a higher tolerance for certain kinds of Silliness, and
less tolerance for certain other things, but he could, sometimes
grudgingly, admit that personal taste played a role in these things.
My own personal sense of loss is largely selfish - I found his
postings to be a source of entertainment in themselves. USENET
is diminished by his death. For that matter, assuming he did
write for other venues (SF mags and TV scripts), the world of
entertainment is diminished as well.
As long as I'm writing, I suppose I should at least make mention of
his political outlook: He was an ardent Libertarian and supporter
of the 2nd amendment and of the NRA. Some people were uncomfortable
or annoyed with the vehemence with which he advocated gun ownership
and denigrated the Democratic party and the Canadian and U.K gov'ts
as being irredeemably evil - I know I was. But you know, he did at
least make me think about these issues, and make me aware of their
opposing viewpoints.
Oh well. I have the feeling I'm preaching to the choir here - those
who agree already know what I mean, and those who do not are not
likely to change their minds. On the off chance that some newbie is
reading this: do a web/newsgroup search on "Gharlane of Eddore", and
make up your own mind.
I don't know if there is an afterlife, but some part of me hopes that
his spirit will haunt the perpetrators of Bad Skiffy, making them
repent their ways and create something with *quality*.
He wasn't always lovable, or even likeable, but he was always admirable.
He will be missed.
David Patrick
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Silberstein wrote:
> ...is dead, alas.
> Let's all queue up and kick God's ass.
A part of me is still hoping this isn't true, it's a damn shame.
I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
had against the UK.
Still cantankerous as he was I'm sorry he isn't going to be around any
more.
David Patrick
Phil Fraering
> Usenet is going to be a bit less exciting now. He's not really
> replaceable.
There's no real reason for me to be reading rec.arts.sf.tv any
more. Y'all have a nice life. I'll be on other newsgroups, or
still at this mail address, if you need me.
--
Phil Fraering "Do you like country music? So do I, and I
p...@globalreach.net sure do miss it..." -KBON radio announcer
Arthur Levesque
SEF>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
SEF>"Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Oh s___. That f___ing s___s.[1]
SEF>I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle
SEF>any at this point. What I do know is that I considered him a
SEF>friend, and am going to miss him terribly.
Usenet, and the world, has become a less interesting place. I
didn't need to know his name, but I always read everything he posted,
regardless of the thread or topic (in fact, he's the only one that I
ever set my newreader to highlight all of their posts). I didn't always
agree with his opinions (more often than not, however; I did specifically
seek out shows and books I'd missed (including ordering all of the
Lensmen books) just on his recommendation, and was rarely disappointed)
but I always respected them.
David Silberstein (dav...@kithrup.com) wrote:
DS>I don't know if there is an afterlife,
If there is, let's hope he no longer has to deal with flames...
DS>but some part of me hopes that his spirit will haunt the perpetrators
DS>of Bad Skiffy, making them repent their ways and create something
DS>with *quality*.
There used to be a saying that Heaven had the best music; imagining
a band consisting of Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, etc. Well, with critics
like GoE and Cronan, they must also have some damned good SF.
--
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\B\ack King of the Potato People <fnord> "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" (oO)
\S\lash Member of a vast right-wing conspiracy (-O-) Urban Spaceman /||\
\/ I was a lesbian before it was fashionable "I hate rainbows!"-EC
[1] In memory of his refusal to even quote obscenity unaltered, even
minor curses like d__n, cr_p, and s_mpr_n_.
Matthew Clark
"Sean Eric Fagan" <s...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:GEw11...@kithrup.com...
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
"Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
I'm tempted to utter one of Cartman's signature phrases, but I'll not out of
respect for
Gharlane.
And it'd be terribly ego-centric of me to suspect some conspiracy by the
universe, but
I can't but help feeling terribly robbed. I recently arranged a trip to the
Sacramento
area and I had enough time to swing out to his neighborhood. We were both
looking
forward to the meeting. Now I'll never know the pleasure.
If perchance anyone who knew him personally knows of his arrangements, I'd
greatly
appreciate being told. I wouldn't be able to attend any service, but I
would very much
like to stop by his grave/tank and pay my respects if it's in the Sacramento
area.
Thanks,
Matthew Clark, Ph.D.
DrMCC...@hotmail.com
Matthew Clark
"Matthew Clark" <DrMCC...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:It3W6.44035$Uo3.1...@news6.giganews.com...
>
> "Sean Eric Fagan" <s...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
> news:GEw11...@kithrup.com...
> > Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
> "Gharlane
> > of Eddore" passed away.
>
> I'm tempted to utter one of Cartman's signature phrases, but I'll not out
of
> respect for
> Gharlane.
My apologies for the bad word wrap. I thought I had set my
editor to catch it correctly.
Matt
Jason Larke
>>>>> Silberstein) said:
DS> Sean owns the kithrup.com domain, and is the System Admin for
DS> the computer itself. He's got the touch of paranoia in him
DS> that is a virtue for that role, and monitors log files and
DS> user activity patterns very carefully. I trust his knowledge
DS> and judgment, and also his sobriety. He isn't the sort to
DS> play practical jokes or rush to conclusions.
If there's any appropriate place to send flowers, ammunition, or
other appropriate tokens of sorrow, I'd love to hear about
it. Otherwise I guess I'll make a donation in his psuedonym to
GOA or something.
--
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I don't speak for UUNET or MCI Worldcom. I speak for Odin. And he's *pissed*.
Any sufficiently advanced weapon is indistinguishable from a practical joke.
"People change, and smile: but the agony abides."-T.S. Eliot, The Dry Salvages
Michael S. Schiffer
But I had my scorefile set to highlight his posts, and the groups he
frequented won't be remotely the same without him. We've lost someone
with a body of knowledge about a wide variety of subjects that probably
can't be wholly duplicated. We've lost a character, on a net that's
ever more settling into civilized people and outright loons, with
perhaps less room for larger-than-life personae. And we've lost an
individual from our midst-- another of what are already too many
losses.
I didn't know him well enough to claim him as my friend, though I'd
have liked to. But reading that he was gone stopped me up short. I
can only wish the information had come from a less reputable source, so
that I could disbelieve it.
Clear ether, Gharlane.
Mike
--
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ms...@mediaone.net not click on words highlighted as links
msch...@condor.depaul.edu by Deja or other archives. They violate
the author's copyright and his wishes.
David Stinson
can"tank"erous brain and somehow I almost would hope we'd see him again as he
would in his infamous manner choose to haunt USENET to admonish the stupid.
May the road rise up to greet you old friend.
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Ian J. Ball
tho?rpe" <kesh...@umich.edu> wrote:
> I hope he and Cronan are sitting in a spaceport bar somewhere,
> their Aldebaran whisky sours leaving damp rings on the glass of an old
> table-top edition of Space Invaders. Cronan is complaining that the
> little alien graphics are crap technology that anyway were designed to
> keep the black man down; Gharlane is rummaging around in the machine's
> innards with his robotic arms, trying to modify it to send signals back
> home to Eddore.
>
> And all the waitresses look like Barbara Eden and Eartha Kitt.
He liked redheads. Gharlane liked redheads. So hopefully, there are some
redheads around...
--
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TV lover, and | - "After Me, the Flood" from the album
usenet slacker | "Revelation" (2000), _Armored Saint_
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David Cameron Dixon
wrote:
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>of Eddore" passed away.
First, the blank astonishment that words can be placed in that order.
And then the slight disconnection as the thing you think of as "you"
watches the knowledge sink in, staining everything.
D**n. I never knew him in person, I barely knew him on Usenet; traded
comments with him a couple of times, not to any great extent... but
this actually hurts; there is pain here. The world is suddenly a less
interesting place.
He will be missed.
Nick
I never knew much about him. Just a few faux unfriendly encounters
and an email or two. Even with limited exposure it was easy to tell
that there was a good guy underneath the gruff exterior.
I always looked forward to someone crossposting a barb to
alt.tv.farscape. I will miss him.
Followups preserved.
James C. Ellis
>
> The world is suddenly a less interesting place.
And this newsgroup too. First Cronan and now Gharlane. It almost
isn't worth putting up with the likes of certain Trolls Whose Handles I
Will Not Utter Here any longer.
> He will be missed.
Damn straight.
It looks like the Galactic Patrol found him in the end. Now I'll
never get to read "A.I. LENSMAN"...
Biff
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news:It3W6.44035$Uo3.1...@news6.giganews.com...
> greatly
> appreciate being told. I wouldn't be able to attend any service, but I
> would very much
> like to stop by his grave/tank and pay my respects if it's in the
Sacramento
> area.
I don't know the details, but I do know he considered Nevada his home and is
survived by at least his father.
Matthew Clark
"Travers Naran" <tna...@direct.ca> wrote in message
news:9gao5...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> I don't know the details, but I do know he considered Nevada his home and
is
> survived by at least his father.
Yes, he spoke rather fondly of Nevada. Could someone then find out
an address to sends cards, etc?
(And that his father survives him must speak volumes of those Eddorian
genes ;-)
Matt
Joe Pfeiffer
if it were somebody would have corrected it by now...
He was a voice of honesty, intelligence, and clarity. He'll be
missed. I've always wondered who he ``really'' was, especially
knowing he was a published science fiction author. I wonder if I'll
ever know.
--
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Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
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Geoduck
J. Ball) wrote:
>In article <keshlema-93A787...@news.itd.umich.edu>, "jere7my
>tho?rpe" <kesh...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> I hope he and Cronan are sitting in a spaceport bar somewhere,
>> their Aldebaran whisky sours leaving damp rings on the glass of an old
>> table-top edition of Space Invaders. Cronan is complaining that the
>> little alien graphics are crap technology that anyway were designed to
>> keep the black man down; Gharlane is rummaging around in the machine's
>> innards with his robotic arms, trying to modify it to send signals back
>> home to Eddore.
>>
>> And all the waitresses look like Barbara Eden and Eartha Kitt.
>
>He liked redheads. Gharlane liked redheads. So hopefully, there are some
>redheads around...
I know of at least one movie that Ms. Eden made as a redhead(1), so
she'd probably be willing to wear a wig.
Not that she's currently available to take the job in the first place.
(1) The Seven Faces of Dr. Lao. Good little film. Check it out
sometime, y'all, if you haven't.
--
Geoduck
http://www.olywa.net/cook
Robert D. Baker
David Silberstein wrote in message ...
For that matter, assuming he did
>write for other venues
He did.
Robert D. Baker
Not too long ago, I made one of my first posts in these parts, in
which I mostly agreed with Gharlane...he promptly corrected some spelling
and grammatical errors, and my reply to that flew off to alt.dev.null....
A bit later he made some sort of comment about B5 and Gilligan's
Island which hit my funnybone and I posted a mini-script (Bester comatose
from attempting to scan Gilligan) - I got an e-mail from Gharlane thanking
me for giving him a good laugh on a bad day. I'd read enough of his postings
to take this as high praise, indeed.
We chatted quite a bit in e-mail - I suspected (from his
curmudgeonly manner in public) that he might be an acquaintance of mine, a
former president of SFWA. He was not, but he knew the person I was thinking
of, and took my mistake as a compliment. We talked a bit about this era of
SF and Fantasy and his own writings (and the difficulty of making a living
and just what sort of writing you'll do to make some money), joked about
agents, etc. Since we weren't too far apart in age (I think), or at least
enjoyed some of the same authors, he wasn't too reticent when I asked him to
recommend something of his to read. I'm sorry to say I've not yet run across
his particular recommendation at any bookstores I've been to so far, but
I'll keep looking.
fare thee well, Gharlane. I hardly knew ye.
Chuq Von Rospach
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
>
> I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
> point.
Oh, damn. If you hear details, I'd love to find out.
GoE was a fascinating person. At one point we were quiet close. At one
point, he more or less saved me during a suicidal period -- and at one
point, he was more or less the cause of it, too. Which defines Dave: a
double-edged sword that sometimes cut the wielder.
We had a falling out many years ago; one that never reconciled. I tried
once, and he didn't seem receptive. there were issues unresolved, still
are. never will. I should have tried harder.
He was a very open person with people he knew -- and yet, always a
cipher. I always felt he could be so much more than he was, but had
chosen to be what he wanted to be, not what he could be.
I wouldn't be who I am today without Dave. and even in those things that
led to our falling out with each other, he left me a better person.
damnit. i should have tried harder.
chuq
Charles Glasgow
> > news:GEw11...@kithrup.com...
> > > Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
> > > "Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Oh sweet Jesus, *NO*. No, no, no, no.
God *DAMN*.
I didn't know him as well as many of you did... heck, I didn't even
know that he was gone until I started wondering why my regular Google
Groups search for "author:gharlane" wasn't turning up any new posts,
and did a more general search for any posts with his name in it.
But I considered him a friend, and I'd like to think that he did me.
Both my NG'ing and my e-mail will be a lot emptier now that he's gone.
It's strange to feel such a sense of loss for a man whose True Name
you'd never known, but I do. Life will go on, but it won't the same
without him.
God bless, you old curmudgeon. Semper fi. I'll miss you.
--
Chuckg
"Come my friends.
It is not too late to
seek a newer world.
For my purpose holds
to sail beyond the sunset.
And though we are not
now that strength which in
old days moved earth and heaven.
That which we are,
we are,
One equal temper of
heroic hearts
Made weak by time and
fate, but strong in will
To seek, to find,
and not to yield."
-- Alfred Lord Tennyson
Dirk A. Loedding
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
>"Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
I sure hope this is a joke, but I fear it's not.
>I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any
>at this point.
Understandable.
>What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss
>him terribly.
Same here, though I never did know his real name/identity, and didn't
really care.
>I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
>unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
In his honor:
Obsp: "suspicions"
He'd been telling us for some time that he didn't think he'd be around
much longer. He will most definitely be missed...this newsgroup,
among others, will be a much poorer place without him. I can't wax
eloquent as others have, so all I can do is agree with their
sentiments. *sigh*
>Followups set in honor of him.
Quite appropriate.
--
I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it.
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Joe Pfeiffer
I'd be very interested in knowing what stories he wrote.
Aaron P. Brezenski
David Silberstein <dav...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:16:54 -0400, Henry Rieke <hri...@attglobal.net>
>wrote:
>>
>>I met him on the net was when Babylon-5's first started. I wrote a
>>horrible review both in terms of content (mostly spelling) and of my
>>dislike of the show. Gharlane replied to my message by correcting all
>>of the typoes, mispellings and grammer. That's when I learned to double
>>space after a period. I also learned to listen to his advice, and
>>understand that the payoff is more often worth the wait. Which was true
>>in so many ways.
>>
>>I can only hope that he and Cronnan are having a bitchen good time where
>>ever they are.
>>
>
>OBSP: "typos", "misspellings" and "grammar"
>
>Sorry. *grin*
>
>In article <3b282446...@news.olywa.net>, Geoduck <geo...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>>I can't do it like Gharlane, but if he really is gone, this is the
>>best tribute I can give him:
>>
>>ObSp: "Cronan"
>>
>
>*sigh*. It's just not the same....
I propose a new convention (I'm not sure how new this is-- I think I saw
people use it while he was still with us): in the event of a correction to
spelling, grammar, or idiom which is clearly not needed to understand the
context of a post, but which is added nonetheless, we include "ObGharlane".
F'rinstance:
ObGharlane: "bitchin'".
--
Aaron Brezenski
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out to get me."
Card-Carrying Member of the Illuminati
Paul Vader
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>of Eddore" passed away.
I wish there was a way to verify this. If it's true, my condolences to his
family. He is an occasionally annoying curmudgeon, but he is *our*
occasionally annoying curmudgeon. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
James Kibo Parry
I posted in alt.religion.kibology. As Gharlane would say, "Followups set."]
I've been informed by various people that "Gharlane of Eddore"
(a prolific Usenet poster, a friend of mine, and an occasional
visitor to alt.religion.kibology) has passed away. I'm still hoping
the rumors of his demise are premature or inaccurate (or better yet,
both) but for the meantime I'd better eulogize him just in case
he's not dead so he can read this to complain about my grammar
so I can fix it so it'll be right when he does die. But, sad to
say, I have reliable information that Gharlane is no more.
You may recall that he only posted under his pen name. This was
because he did not want to reveal that his real name was (a) Douglas Adams,
(b) Barry B. Longyear, (c) J. Michael Straczynski, or (d) Majel Barrett,
especially because it wasn't any of those four. Incidentally, in the olden
days he actually requested and received permission from E. E. "Doc" Smith
to use the name of his Gharlane character. (He would never borrow anyone
else's idea, or even a character name, without such acknowledgement
to its creator.)
He was big in the science fiction writers' community -- he had written
a few stories which had been published quite a while ago, but he was
most prominent as a critic of written, filmed, and televised entertainment,
always complaining about the bad stuff in ways which were far more
entertaining than the bad stuff. Unfortunately, he did not manage to
eliminate stupidity in science fiction, but he did help show people
that there is good SF and there is bad "skiffy" (his term, from
Forrest Ackerman's "sci-fi", for stuff which is too stupid to even
be called "sci-fi".) He was an expert (and an insider) and would
often tell me juicy pieces of gossip from the set of some obscure
movie he'd wandered onto the set of in the 1970s. He knew more about
the making of any given production than was in the "making of" documentaries.
He had an opinion on just about everything, and some endearing personal
quirks (such as his refusal to send E-mail messages with a "Subject:"
filled in) and had been everywhere and seen everything. We conversed
(via E-mail) about just about everything from obscure 1950s TV shows
to the proper handling of semi-automatic weapons in movies. (He was
big on guns. And, because he was big on movies, you can imagine how
he would react when confronted with a movie where someone fires seven
bullets from a six-shooter, or hoists a bazooka that goes "RAT-A-TAT-A-TAT".)
He was a believer in quality, effort, and originality.
When he complained that a bad movie cost some ungodly number of
millions of dollars, it wasn't because he was one of those elitists
who believed that high-budget movies were inherently bad, it was
because he loved both movies and TV, and knew that the $183,000,000
spent on "Waterworld" could have been spent on several other movies
or ten years' worth of a good TV show. (And hey, I agree with him
that if they spread the money around on a lot of things, probably
at least one of them wouldn't have been as bad as "Waterworld".)
Gharlane will be missed.
-- K.
And now who will they
find to refuse to write
for "Stargate: The Series"?
Tom Holt
one of his closest RL friends, who actually found the body and spoke
with the coroner.
He died, in his sleep, at some point over the weekend. The cause of
death would seem to have been a combination of weak heart and high
blood pressure.
I'm in no fit state to write anything clever tonight, so I'll keep it
short and simple. Although I never met him, he was probably the
closest and best friend I ever had. Those of you who only knew him
from Usenet may find it hard to believe, but he was the kindest,
warmest, most genuine person I've ever had the honor to know, an
unfailing source of strength and support, a quiet voice of
reassurance; brilliant, courageous, witty, with an apparently
unlimited range of knowledge, wisdom and experience, an unbounded
compassion, an incredible clarity of thought and ability to put
things into perspective. When he felt like it, he could be
cripplingly funny; he never failed to cheer me up when I needed it.
He was selflessly generous, often beyond his means. He would do
anything for you, often without having to be asked.
His life was remarkable; he'd done more than most people could
achieve in a dozen lifetimes. He had a remarkable talent for
friendship, as well as for making enemies; in his friendships ands
his enmities he was always true, the best of friends and the most
formidable of enemies. He experienced more than his fair share of
tragedy and loss, but came through with his basic optimism unscathed.
Gharlane was my closest friend, because he was always there when I
needed him most. I work late at night (British time); I sit and write
for a while, then I dry up and no words come; at which point I mail
Gharlane, and he says something that wakes me up and makes me grin,
and suddenly I can think of the next line in the scene I'm writing.
Ten minutes later, I mail him again and he replies - the sheer speed
of his typing was awe-inspiring, he could fill a screen with type
faster than I can light a cigar - and so on, a dozen or so exchanges
a night on any subject you care to name, from opera to the works of
Poul Anderson to the physical properties of beryllium copper; the
weather on the Donner pass, the various ailments of his pet VW
Beetles, politics, ethics and morality, mountain lions in California,
any matters pertinent to the business of being alive. Every now and
again he'd share with me a story from his remarkable life, by way of
illustrating some point or other.
When I think that all he knew and all he was, all his incredibly
wide-ranging knowledge and erudition, all his humanity and generosity
of spirit, has been wiped off the face of the earth like data off a
disk, the thought fills me with horror. It's too great a loss. I
can't understand how something like this can happen. It doesn't make sense.
I can't think of a suitable epitaph for him; I'm too full of my own
selfish feelings. But the way I feel right now goes something like
this, from 'Antony & Cleopatra';
Oh, withered is the garland of the war;
The soldier's pole is fallen; young boys and girls
Are level now with men; the odds is gone
And there is nothing left remarkable
Beneath the visiting moon.
So long, everybody. I'm out of here.
Franklin Hummel
-- Franklin Hummel, Boston, Massachusetts
Sean Eric Fagan
better and worse to see how many) have asked about sending cards or messages
to his father.
I am uncomfortable with giving out his father's name and address, but I will
collect and forward anything sent to:
Gharlane of Eddore
c/o Sean Eric Fagan
1384 Annapolis Way
San Jose, CA 95118
USA
Please, no flowers -- they'd be dead by the time I forwarded them on.
I have already sent off a letter to his father; I included some of the
posts and messages, to show how many people around this world his son had
touched.
Jan Yarnot (one of his friends) has also suggested planting trees, in tribute,
since GoE treasured them very much.
Franklin Harris
"David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
>
>
> I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
> with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
> had against the UK.
Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
;-P
(Someone must pick up the slack.)
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
"It is not I who am crazy. It is I who am mad!" -- Ren Hoek
Franklin Harris
"Tom Holt" <lemmi...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:200106141...@zetnet.co.uk...
[major snippage]
> So long, everybody. I'm out of here.
That was great, Tom.
Klyfix
writes:
>
>"Robert D. Baker" <rdb...@prtcnet.org> writes:
>
>> David Silberstein wrote in message ...
>>
>> For that matter, assuming he did
>> >write for other venues
>>
>> He did.
>
>I'd be very interested in knowing what stories he wrote.
>--
As would I; actually, he mentioned in one reply to me (in rec.arts.sf.tv)
that he had something recently accepted and would note in email
when it got published.
I suspect that would have been enlightening. *sigh*
(Note: AOL posts replies only in the group of the original message;
it's been called something like "The Gharlane Fix." While I don't
know if AOL did that just to prevent the alt.dev.null thing as Gharlane
suggested, it's kind of a nice thought right now.)
V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
"It's not like Sioux Falls"-A guy on the Boston subway.
Debbie Levi
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
I thought when I found out about this post that it must be some lousy
prank that one of the obnoxious harassers thought of doing. But then
I called and confirmed with his dad that Gharlane had, indeed, passed
out of this plane of existence.
And here I was hoping to go to LosCon this year when he hoped to take
his dad for his dad's eightieth birthday. But his dad lost his son
instead. That isn't supposed to happen: dads are supposed to die
*before* sons. At least the death didn't happen violently; Gharlane
died in his sleep.
The USENET will be so much less spicy and energetic without the
Eddorian mien that Gharlane promised E.E. Smith he'd adopt whenever he
wrote. His knowledge of sci-fi was practically photographic,
especially of the Campbell years. He taught himself to read using his
dad's Analogs, after all *grin* I could use "continued next rock"
when he made a particularly low compliment, and he'd know exactly what
I meant. That was a first in *any* of my friends. And we both
absolutely doted on Heinlein's writing (well, I didn't like the "dirty
old man" years, as I termed them) and knew it practically by heart.
Although I did catch him out in an area where I found him to be more
ignorant than I, I found that his knowledge in many other areas was
strong. How rewarding to find that he didn't have to be babied in
camping, because he was an Eagle Scout, of the order of the Iron
Arrow, and had been a scout leader. What fun it was to sing together
from "CAMELOT" or "OKLAHOMA!", because he knew the songs (although he
couldn't read music despite his high school years in a jazz band).
His grandmother's music was fun (and somewhat hard!) to play on her
piano (even my mom found the arrangement of "STARDUST" hard, after he
mailed us a copy!). His Russian and Arabic were incomprehensible to
my Norwegian and German, and neither of us could speak Spanish despite
living in areas where it is spoken. While I learned some basics of
linguistics for fun and to sing other languages, he could always do a
uvular trill that I could not mimic.
A man of many talents and widely ranging knowledge, his wisdom and
experience make him truly a man such as Robert Heinlein said men
should aspire to be. The world will be less for his loss.
\\\\\ \vvv\,, | The Amazon Apologete
)>>>TEMPERANCEJUSTICECOURAGEPRUDENCE------> | Debbie Levi
///// /hhh/'' | del...@bellsouth.net
Emma Pease
>
>"David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
>>
>>
>> I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
>> with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
>> had against the UK.
>
>Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
>;-P
>
>(Someone must pick up the slack.)
Not quite the same....
I can't believe he is gone; we only exchanged usenet posts last week.
Emma
--
\----
|\* | Emma Pease Net Spinster
|_\/ Die Luft der Freiheit weht
The Avocado Avenger
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Silberstein wrote:
>> ...is dead, alas.
>> Let's all queue up and kick God's ass.
>A part of me is still hoping this isn't true, it's a damn shame.
>I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
>with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
>had against the UK.
>Still cantankerous as he was I'm sorry he isn't going to be around any
>more.
A few weeks ago someone I dealt with in several newsgroups was reported
as dead. I'd fought with him, flamed him, made up with him, flamed again,
and had just days before his death really flamed him a zinger .. then
found out he was suffering from a terminal illness at the time and died
less than a week later. It sucked. It sucked as bad as Cronan's death.
And now Gharlane. Damn. I hadn't read his stuff for a month or two,
but I didn't even know he was ill.
I once said daeth was a real hoot, something to laugh about because,
hey, nothing's serious. I'd like to retract that. I wish Gharlane wasn't
dead. If he turns out to be alive and pulling our chains, I'll be glad.
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://world.std.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
Bill Claypool
>"Matthew Clark" <DrMCC...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:It3W6.44035$Uo3.1...@news6.giganews.com...
>> If perchance anyone who knew him personally knows of his arrangements, I'd
>> greatly
>> appreciate being told. I wouldn't be able to attend any service, but I
>> would very much
>> like to stop by his grave/tank and pay my respects if it's in the
>Sacramento
>> area.
>
>I don't know the details, but I do know he considered Nevada his home and is
>survived by at least his father.
Also, a sister. And, an 11 year old son who I have been privileged to
raise.
--
Bill Claypool | Seeing is believing in the things you see.
j...@woozle.emp.unify.com | Loving is believing in the ones you love.
RKBA! | -Margie Adam
Flash Sheridan
David Silberstein <dav...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know if there is an afterlife, but some part of me hopes that
>his spirit will haunt the perpetrators of Bad Skiffy, making them
>repent their ways ...
Now _that_ would be a suitable memorial; does anyone here know the
appropriate spell? Failing that, someone here suggested he'd've liked
having trees planted in his memory. I'm not equipped to do that, so
instead I'll make a donation in his memory to our local tree-planting
foundation; I'm not sure what they'll make of it.
Followups set in his honor, plus two additional editing passes on
this message.
--
<LI><a href="http://pobox.com/~flash">Flash Sheridan</a>
<LI><a href="http://pobox.com/~spug">Stanford PalmPilot User Group</a>
Matt McIrvin
<hri...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>I met him on the net was when Babylon-5's first started. I wrote a
>horrible review both in terms of content (mostly spelling) and of my
>dislike of the show. Gharlane replied to my message by correcting all
>of the typoes, mispellings and grammer.
He was correcting my assertions as recently as a few weeks ago;
on alt.religion.kibology I was arguing that Larry Niven's allegedly
hard SF contained massive violations of the "one-assumption" rule
sometimes invoked for hard SF, and Gharlane followed up with an
interesting rebuttal in which he revealed a considerably subtler
interpretation of the one-assumption formula that distinguished
between science used for incidental background detail and science
used for crucial plot points. You could tell that he had expended
a lot of thought on these relatively fine critical issues.
But, egotist that I am, I'll probably always treasure the following
quote most:
GOE> Readers, note: The estimable Mr. McIrvin's TV viewing habits have
GOE> never been what could be termed "respectable." In fact, he can
GOE> recite every line of every script from both "THE BUGALOOS" and
GOE> "ELECTRA WOMAN AND DYNA GIRL," and all versions of "LAND OF THE LOST."
GOE>
GOE> When Matt McIrvin says something like "...one of the most incoherent
GOE> hours of TV I've ever seen in my life," take him SERIOUSLY.
(We were talking about "seaQuest DSV," a show about which
he had some choice things to say.)
>That's when I learned to double
>space after a period.
Hoo boy, I remember Kibo and Gharlane having a long argument
over that one.
That vat is going to look awfully empty, back there in the mad
science lab.
--
Matt McIrvin
Ady Jones
The internet is a good way to remember someone.
He was a good man, let us remember him.
Ady
David Patrick
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Franklin Harris wrote:
> "David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
> >
> >
> > I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
> > with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
> > had against the UK.
>
> Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
> ;-P
>
> (Someone must pick up the slack.)
:) True
On the other hand, when I slagged off Scientology in one post he emailed
me to warn how vindictive they can be. I already knew about their darker
side, but the thought was greatly appreciated.
David Patrick
Raul Bloodworth
"Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
>
this
> point.
>
> terribly.
>
> unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
>
>
My condolences to his family. His well-thought-out postings were what made
USENET special.
Harvey White
off again series of emails which covered everything from E. E. Smith
to odd electronics projects.
He was always helpful and polite, and never afraid to say that he
didn't know the answer.
His passing leaves a hole in my life, for there are many things we
will never discuss.
Harvey
Dennis Francis Heffernan
wrote:
|Yup, a good friend and a hard debater of most issues. I'll miss the old
|can"tank"erous brain and somehow I almost would hope we'd see him again as he
|would in his infamous manner choose to haunt USENET to admonish the stupid.
|May the road rise up to greet you old friend.
He was a little hard to take at times, but he was one of the most
knowledgeable people I'd ever met on Usenet.
Unbelievable life experience, and impossible to replace.
Dennis F. Heffernan EQ: Venture Fletcher(E'ci) dfra...@email.com
Montclair State U #include <disclaim.h> ICQ:9154048 CompSci/Philosophy
"It's better some times if we don't get to touch our dreams."
-- Harry Chapin
B. Durbin
of
> Mike Jittlov's The Wizard of Speed and Time. It was a selfless act -
giving me a
> quality copy of a very rare sought after disc and allowing me to make
copies for
> others. He asked nothing in return. In fact I got the impression he would
have
> been offended had I felt honour bound to immediately return the favour.
That
> was Dave. He lived to see people enjoy what he enjoyed. His reward was to
see
> the surprise then pleasure I got from receiving that disc. There were
books he
> recommended too but the disc was very special and its not something I will
> forget as long as I live because via me Dave will still be indulging his
wish of
> supplying copies of TWOSAT to the masses even though he's gone
I'm so glad. I was afraid that disc would be lost, and I'm glad you're
willing to continue the dubs. (My copy was from him.)
Lisa Coulter
>
>I keep hoping it'll turn out that this is all a terrible mistake, but
>if it were somebody would have corrected it by now...
>
>He was a voice of honesty, intelligence, and clarity. He'll be
>missed. I've always wondered who he ``really'' was, especially
>knowing he was a published science fiction author. I wonder if I'll
>ever know.
This is a major tragedy for USENET and the SF community.
He was an entertaining, insightful, and energetic presence. When I corresponded
with him via email,
he was always courteous and informative. I will greatly miss him. My
condolences to his friends and family.
Lisa Coulter
In the end, may he find the sunrise
ar...@adelphia.net
Does anyone now what he passed from? (illness, accident?)
Jan Yarnot
Failing that, someone here suggested he'd've liked
> having trees planted in his memory. I'm not equipped to do that, so
> instead I'll make a donation in his memory to our local tree-planting
> foundation; I'm not sure what they'll make of it.
This gave me the first giggle of the last few days. I can see it now.
The Eddorian Forest. Near here, we have the Forest of Nisene Marks,
so I can't imagine that the "Forest of Gharlane" would raise any eyebrows.
Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone in his honor.
---Jan---
> Followups set in his honor, plus two additional editing passes on
> this message.
Yeah, what he said.
James Gassaway
Clear ether, friend.
(Now off to find a way to take vengeance on a universe that would take
him away.)
--
Multiversal Mercenaries. You name it, we kill it. Any time, any reality.
Debbie Levi
> This gave me the first giggle of the last few days. I can see it now.
> The Eddorian Forest. Near here, we have the Forest of Nisene Marks,
> so I can't imagine that the "Forest of Gharlane" would raise any eyebrows.
Coincidentally speaking, I just finished an email message to a friend
where I mentioned that a certain photo of Gharlane prompted his being
called a "Rumzeis" (German spelling--I don't know Czech well enough to
spell it in Czech). Seems a Czech friend of mine saw the photo, taken
several years ago. That plus knowing how much Gharlane enjoyed
forests and the outdoors prompted my Czech friend to say Gharlane
looked like a Rumzeis. They're creatures who live in forests and take
care of the forests. They're very shy and aren't often seen. And
they look sort of bushy themselves.
> Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone in his honor.
Mint chocolate chip!
Miguel Farah F.
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>of Eddore" passed away.
Oh my God. This is awful.
I just hope heaven (or wherever he's ended up in) does have a Usenet
feed.
--
MIGUEL FARAH // mig...@nn.cl
#include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
<*>
"Goddamn fatherfucking asshole politician moral paraplegic dipshit
drag-queen bitch!"
- Martin Silenus, _The Fall of Hyperion_
Michael L Kieras
: But, egotist that I am, I'll probably always treasure the following
: quote most:
:
: GOE> Readers, note: The estimable Mr. McIrvin's TV viewing habits have
: GOE> never been what could be termed "respectable." In fact, he can
: GOE> recite every line of every script from both "THE BUGALOOS" and
: GOE> "ELECTRA WOMAN AND DYNA GIRL," and all versions of "LAND OF THE LOST."
: GOE>
: GOE> When Matt McIrvin says something like "...one of the most incoherent
: GOE> hours of TV I've ever seen in my life," take him SERIOUSLY.
:
: (We were talking about "seaQuest DSV," a show about which
: he had some choice things to say.)
Gharlane's posts were my primary reason for reading this group.
He had a wide range of knowlege and a wry sense of humor that were
reflected in his collected writings.
I lurk here mostly; I never really engaged him in any conversations
because I thought my contributions would probably have seemed a bit
trite. I have posted the occasional tongue-in-cheek message, though,
and I loved his response to one I wrote involving a bunch of silly
crossover possibilities with failed sci-fi tv shows:
> Mr Kieras, please take a deep breath, and THINK. You have a problem.
> Fortunately, the University of Massachusetts has a psychological
> counselling center which is open to students and free of charge.
> Even better, they have *decades* of experience in coping with
> computer jocks and technically oriented people whose connection
> with reality has become tenuous.
>
> Please, for your own sake, MAKE THAT PHONE CALL, *get some help*,
> QUICK, before you slip and watch TV again!
>
> You've seen far too much TV *now,* trust me on this.
>
> *grin*
I didn't know him personally, so I'm not sure in what way he'd
like to be honored. From his writings here, the thing he seemed
to appreciate most was when people made an effort to get their
facts straight, particularly in regard to science, history and the
history of sf. Therefore, I've decided to read a classic of the sf
genre that I haven't previously read. A Lensman book would seem
appropriate.
This group sure won't be the same without him.
-- Michael Kieras -------------------------------------------------
mic...@oit.umass.edu http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~michael/
Michael L Kieras
original because I didn't think it would be appropriate to leave
it with a typo in "knowledge," of all words.)
Matt McIrvin (mmci...@world.std.com) wrote:
: But, egotist that I am, I'll probably always treasure the following
: quote most:
:
: GOE> Readers, note: The estimable Mr. McIrvin's TV viewing habits have
: GOE> never been what could be termed "respectable." In fact, he can
: GOE> recite every line of every script from both "THE BUGALOOS" and
: GOE> "ELECTRA WOMAN AND DYNA GIRL," and all versions of "LAND OF THE LOST."
: GOE>
: GOE> When Matt McIrvin says something like "...one of the most incoherent
: GOE> hours of TV I've ever seen in my life," take him SERIOUSLY.
:
: (We were talking about "seaQuest DSV," a show about which
: he had some choice things to say.)
Gharlane's posts were my primary reason for reading this group.
He had a wide range of knowledge and a wry sense of humor that were
Podkayne Fries
<hum...@world.std.com> wrote:
>I miss him already.
>
So do I, Franklin.
Over the last few days, I've read a number of posts in which a number of
people (most of whose names I don't recognize) have posted a lot of
Gharlane's Real Life information. This greatly distresses me and I
think that some of it should have been kept offline.
When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's True
Name was? Do we really need to know where he worked? Do we need to
know any more about his personal life than that which he was willing to
commit to public archives? Does anything matter outside of the
relationship that each of us had with him?
Gharlane was an exceptionally intelligent man with an incredible memory.
He delighted in sharing his knowledge with others. He was always
gracious and charming with me and could usually make me laugh. I will
remember him fondly, and what more could one want?
As we all know, Gharlane was very fond of guns. For those who would
like to do something in his memory, you might consider contacting the
NRA and asking how you could provide a local school with the materials
for their "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program. My daughter's school uses
this program, and it's an excellent way to teach firearm safety, which
can end up saving young lives. I think Gharlane would like that.
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
"WebTV is for people who think game shows are too hard." - Kibo
Keith F. Lynch
> Over the last few days, I've read a number of posts in which a
> number of people (most of whose names I don't recognize) have posted
> a lot of Gharlane's Real Life information. This greatly distresses
> me and I think that some of it should have been kept offline.
> When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's
> True Name was? ...
It's not like it was secret. I just searched my archives for all
mentions of Gharlane, and his True Name promptly popped up in a 1996
message from L.A.CON III about the Hugo nominees. He was one of the
nominees for best fan writer.
--
Keith F. Lynch - k...@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/
I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but
unsolicited bulk e-mail sent to thousands of randomly collected
addresses is not acceptable, and I do complain to the spammer's ISP.
O Deus
Podkayne Fries wrote in message
>Over the last few days, I've read a number of posts in which a number of
>people (most of whose names I don't recognize) have posted a lot of
>Gharlane's Real Life information. This greatly distresses me and I
>think that some of it should have been kept offline.
Well if the Buford FAQ comes back, I'm going to need it as material for my
Gharlane FAQ
Joe Pfeiffer
The National Rifle Association (mentioned by Podkayne) is the oldest,
and most successful, firearm safety organization in the world. You
may or may not agree with the organization's politics (disclaimer:
Gharlane did, and I do, agree with them), but to fail to recognize
their contributions to safety would be to let your own political views
blind you to real life.
The NRA's ``Eddie the Eagle'' program is a straightforward gun safety
program for children with no political overtones whatever (note that
the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
politics.
Joe Pfeiffer
>
> When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's True
> Name was? Do we really need to know where he worked? Do we need to
> know any more about his personal life than that which he was willing to
> commit to public archives? Does anything matter outside of the
> relationship that each of us had with him?
Well, yes, actually. Because it can deepen it. He chose to keep his
life compartmentalized, and as long as we had part of it, that was
OK. But the part we had isn't there any more.
I'm willing to respect his wishes for privacy regarding real life --
his real name, where he worked, whether he was married, whether he had
children.
However, he was a published author. While that was a different facet
of his life, and one he chose not to divulge through his ``Gharlane''
persona, now that ``Gharlane'' is gone I want to read his stories.
I've found one so far, and hope I can find more.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>(note that
>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>politics.
Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
Paul.
--
See Jeri Ryan at Retribution this year: www.supernova-conventions.com
A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality
" . . . SFX is a fairly useless publication on just
about every imaginable front. Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so
little, with so much, for so long." JMS.
B. Durbin
and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
thew...@unagi.cybernothing.org
> The reason is that for those of us who knew him he was far more than just
> Gharlane - an online handle, a usenet persona, a subset of the real man. I knew
> Dave as Dave and its Dave's memory I honour.
Not by posting it in the place where he most certainly did NOT want it
publicized. If the privacy restriction had been lifted, those closest to
him would have revealed his real name in the original post. They didn't.
This outpouring of personal information (not just by you) smacks more of
"look what *I* knew about him" rather than a sincere attempt to
memorialize and honor him.
I wasn't close to him and I cherish what little interaction we had but I
knew him well enough to know that posting personal information not already
common knowledge about him, his life, and his family would have enraged
him and I suspect that those who are doing so now know it as well.
What's done is done but please don't attempt to rationalize what, in the
end, looks a hell of a lot like the usual USENET one-upsmanship.
--
TheWitch (killfiling all the "gharlane" threads and unsubbing from rast)
"These experiences have confirmed that ours is a strong and vibrant
newsgroup, full of people whose mouths are bigger than even our most
bountiful harvest."
- Blackhawk, President Erect of alt.fan.tom-servo
Cheryl Deering
Debbie Levi wrote:
>
> fossilf...@yahoo.com (Jan Yarnot) wrote in message
> > Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone
. . .or slurries!!
> in his honor.
>
> Mint chocolate chip!
. . .or blueberry. . .
C.
**
(Minus a shot of Jolt or Mountain Dew, however--g!)
Bill Snyder
<pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
>
Mr. Kneejerk, meet Mr. Killfile. Mr. Killfile, Mr. Kneejerk. May you
have a long and happy acquaintance.
<THWOCK...TUNK...tunk...tunktunktunk*rattle*>
(Hey, has anybody noticed that the ones with wooden heads make a
really neat noise when they hit the bottom?)
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
Paul Harper
wrote:
>Mr. Kneejerk, meet Mr. Killfile. Mr. Killfile, Mr. Kneejerk. May you
>have a long and happy acquaintance.
Wow! As bad a case of kettle-meet-pot as I've ever seen!
Paul.
--
See Jeri Ryan at the Retribution Convention : www.supernova-conventions.com
Jamie Hanrahan
>Scott MacIntyre <nos...@maitreya.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The reason is that for those of us who knew him he was far more than just
>> Gharlane - an online handle, a usenet persona, a subset of the real man. I knew
>> Dave as Dave and its Dave's memory I honour.
>
>Not by posting it in the place where he most certainly did NOT want it
>publicized. If the privacy restriction had been lifted, those closest to
>him would have revealed his real name in the original post. They didn't.
>
>This outpouring of personal information (not just by you) smacks more of
>"look what *I* knew about him" rather than a sincere attempt to
>memorialize and honor him.
>
>I wasn't close to him and I cherish what little interaction we had but I
>knew him well enough to know that posting personal information not already
>common knowledge about him, his life, and his family would have enraged
>him and I suspect that those who are doing so now know it as well.
I do agree we should continue to respect Gharlane's wishes until some
official notice from someone I'd trust that to come from... but I wouldn't
go so far as to say he'd be enraged.
I did know him in real life, off and on, almost as long as Chuq up there
did. He was nothing if not a realist and a pragmatist and I doubt
mightily that he'd be "enraged" at something that he knew perfectly well
was inevitable, given the tremendous amount of interaction he's had with
the net.community over the years.
My in-person interaction with him was sporadic; we lived in cities some
500 miles apart, and he didn't live where I travelled through or to very
often... so I'm not feeling the sharp loss of a friend I'd been seeing
every other day. Instead I've just been gradually weeping ever since I
got the news, thinking about all the email exchanges, in-person banters,
and occasional Deep Insights Into The Nature Of Things that we'll now
never share. Getting past it, then starting up again when something
reminds me. Like when I think about all the rest of you who feel the same
way. Or when I pet my cat (who, along with her sister, gave him a severe
allergic reaction the one time he came here to visit -- but he played with
the cats just the same).
There is one detail I will share of personal insight about him, because
you all NEED to hear it, even as I needed to realize it:
Many of you have expressed posthumous thanks for his advice, his wisdom,
his knowledge, even his spelling and grammar corrections. And thinking "I
wish I'd thanked him sooner."
Well, he of course never said anything to me about this directly... but it
was perfectly obvious that he knew very well that many people appreciated
him, even without most of them saying so.
So, please don't lose sleep over "I wish I'd thanked him sooner." He
knew. Believe me, he knew. If he didn't think he was reaching some of
us, at least a few he considered worthwhile, he wouldn't have bothered.
So I'm joining with all the rest of you, in telling all the rest of you,
that here's one more person saying -- Thank you, Gharlane, for all those
years we DID share. We'll try to remember what you taught us, and we'll
carry on your crusade to stamp out sloppy thinking and mediocre works of
all forms, as best we can without you. We owe you that. "Some favors you
don't repay; you pass them on --"
Well, thanks for listening. I needed to write that. Now maybe I can get
back to work for another hour before I remember something else of his,
look at Google yet one more time for Gharlane posts in unlikely places,
and on and on, no doubt for the next several weeks.
--- Jamie Hanrahan, San Diego, California
"Followups set."
Robert D. Baker
Paul Harper wrote in message <4ltoito0m4n5ucr3l...@4ax.com>...
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
Ignorant lout.
Jamie Hanrahan
wrote:
Or an older cat. He loved them too, and most kittens WILL be adopted, but
older cats in shelters often wait for a very long time.
--- jeh
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>Podkayne Fries <fr...@fairfieldi.com> wrote:
>
>> When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's
>> True Name was? ...
>
>It's not like it was secret. I just searched my archives for all
>mentions of Gharlane, and his True Name promptly popped up in a 1996
>message from L.A.CON III about the Hugo nominees. He was one of the
>nominees for best fan writer.
Yes, and IIRC, he was mightily peeved that some jackass had taken it
upon himself to 'out' Gharlane.
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
Cronan, rest his soul, has been gone for over 18 months, and there are
still people smarting from flame wars that ended with his final posts.
I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
Gharlane?
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>My mother has suggested that planting trees in his memory would be worthy
>and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
>adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
>becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
>
>
This is a nice thought, but planting trees isn't something that many of
us would associate with Gharlane. That's why I mentioned the "Eddie
Eagle" program.
A quick farbering produces tem times as many hits for <gharlane + gun>
as it does for <gharlane + tree>. I'm not doubting your word, mind you,
but for those of us who only knew him online, providing a school with
the materials for an Eddie Eagle program is something that *we* would
find more fitting.
Podkayne Fries
<nos...@maitreya.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:12:53 GMT, fr...@fairfieldi.com (Podkayne Fries) wrote:
>>
>>When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's True
>>Name was?
>
>The reason is that for those of us who knew him he was far more than just
>Gharlane - an online handle, a usenet persona, a subset of the real man.
>I knew Dave as Dave and its Dave's memory I honour.
If you knew him in Real Life, you should be aware of the fact that
Gharlane had been harassed in real life by netkooks who went over the
edge and caused problems for him offline. Placing his True Name and
relevant details on Usenet raises the possibility that his family could
be harassed by these kooks.
Mike Van Pelt
Michael L Kieras <mic...@jato.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>I didn't know him personally, so I'm not sure in what way he'd
>like to be honored. From his writings here, the thing he seemed
>to appreciate most was when people made an effort to get their
>facts straight, particularly in regard to science, history and the
>history of sf. Therefore, I've decided to read a classic of the sf
>genre that I haven't previously read. A Lensman book would seem
>appropriate.
That's a good tribute.
It's been too many years since I re-read the Lensman books.
This time, I'm going to read them the way Gharlane recommended,
the way (as near as is available now) they originally appeared:
Skipping "Triplanetary" (an unrelated novel "shoehorned" into the
Lensman universe) and "First Lensman" (a bridge novel between
"Triplanetary" and the original start) and reading just "Galactic
Patrol", "Gray Lensman", "Second Stage Lensman", and "Children of
the Lens", skipping all the "behind the scenes" stuff about what
the Arisians and Eddorians are up to. The original stories didn't
tell you this stuff; you found it out over time.
>This group sure won't be the same without him.
*sigh*. Yes. There's just not any TV skiffy I'm interested in
any more, at least, until "Legend of the Rangers" airs, or new
episodes of Andromeda appear, and I will give the new STrek a
fair chance, though I'm not expecting much. I mostly came here
to read Gharlane's posts.
--
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mvp at calweb.com \ / in gratuitous HTML and Microsoft
KE6BVH X proprietary formats.
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Pete McCutchen
>In article <GEw11...@kithrup.com>, s...@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) wrote:
>> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>> of Eddore" passed away.
>>
>> I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
>> point.
>>
>> What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss him
>> terribly.
>>
>> I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
>> unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
>
>...I'm stunned... he was always such a Presence online, he'll leave a
>large hole in Usenet. Like Kosh, he had always been here...
>I wish it would be revealed that he's just spending a year dead for tax
>purposes...
Yes. I too shall miss his commentary.
--
Pete McCutchen
Pete McCutchen
<pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
who has just left this plane of existence.
--
Pete McCutchen
Mike Van Pelt
>> True Name was? ...
>
>It's not like it was secret. I just searched my archives for all
>mentions of Gharlane, and his True Name promptly popped up in a 1996
>message from L.A.CON III about the Hugo nominees. He was one of the
>nominees for best fan writer.
Yeah...
All the same, I wish his True Name had been ... something else.
Just so the noses of various net.psychotic-stalker types would
get a much-deserved tweaking when they were proved to have been
harrassing the wrong person.
Pål Are Nordal
[ Paul Harper ]
Podkayne Fries wrote:
>
> ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
> on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
[...]
> I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
> Gharlane?
Please, you mustn't blame poor Paul... He has little choice but to do
the bidding of the ATC (Alcohol, Tobacco and Caffeine) if he wants tea
coupons he needs to get him trough the next week. You see, the ATC fear
that Gharlane's passing will increase the knowledge his extensive
research into the British government's systematic addiction of it's
populace to that vile substance, and they reacted by moving him all the
way from Yellow Label to Earl Grey on the threat board...
--
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(and join the "Excalibur" team)
Pĺl Are Nordal
a_b...@bigfoot.com
Mike Van Pelt
Podkayne Fries <fr...@fairfieldi.com> wrote:
>
>As we all know, Gharlane was very fond of guns. For those who
>would like to do something in his memory, you might consider
>contacting the NRA and asking how you could provide a local school
>with the materials for their "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program.
>My daughter's school uses this program, and it's an excellent way
>to teach firearm safety, which can end up saving young lives. I
>think Gharlane would like that.
This is a good idea.
And, for those who don't like guns, and don't like the NRA,
at least check out the Eddie Eagle materials for yourself
before ruling it out. It is, indeed, excellent material for
teaching kids to leave guns alone, and I don't think you'll
find anything in it that you can possibly object to. Don't
just knee-jerk on the fact that it's from the NRA.
Jan Yarnot
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:43:15 -0700, "B. Durbin" <dex_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My mother has suggested that planting trees in his memory would be worthy
> >and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
> >adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
> >becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
> >
> >
> This is a nice thought, but planting trees isn't something that many of
> us would associate with Gharlane. That's why I mentioned the "Eddie
> Eagle" program.
>
> A quick farbering produces tem times as many hits for <gharlane + gun>
> as it does for <gharlane + tree>. I'm not doubting your word, mind you,
> but for those of us who only knew him online, providing a school with
> the materials for an Eddie Eagle program is something that *we* would
> find more fitting.
Oh, my first suggestion was a donation to the NRA, but the stony
silence which greeted it led to the tree-and-ice-cream second choice.
That, and does California even *allow* Eddie Eagle?
---Jan---
O Deus
>>>(note that
>>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>>politics.
>>
>>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
> Ignorant lout.
True, the NRA doesn't actually kill people with their own hands. They enable
the laws that kill people.
O Deus
Mike Van Pelt wrote in message <3b2d7a57
>And, for those who don't like guns, and don't like the NRA,
>at least check out the Eddie Eagle materials for yourself
>before ruling it out. It is, indeed, excellent material for
>teaching kids to leave guns alone, and I don't think you'll
>find anything in it that you can possibly object to. Don't
>just knee-jerk on the fact that it's from the NRA.
Or the fact that it's a front for the NRA's attempt to claim that they care
about public safety and to improve their image.
Jamie Hanrahan
wrote:
>"He's really not dead. As long as we remember him". McCoy, Star Trek II.
>
>The internet is a good way to remember someone.
>
>He was a good man, let us remember him.
Good, but not really sufficient.
See, Gharlane was here as a _teacher_. Every time he corrected us (and
no, I've not been in these groups for a long time, but I used to come in
for my share of corrections, believe me I did), we learned something -- if
we allowed ourselves to, and if we had the wit to recognize that there was
something there WORTH learning.
(Where we didn't, that was almost always our failing, not his.)
NO! I'm not talking about picayune stuff like grammar or punctuation or
spelling or who really appeared in some old movie (the making of which had
utterly no cosmic significance).
Well, sure, those things too. But mostly he was using those to show us,
by example, some far more important principles. Like intolerance for
inaccuracy and sloppy thinking. The cold hard fact that the laws of
physics can't be violated. And the unwillingness to accept mediocrity in
ANY form.
Now. Does the school close its doors when its star teacher retires?
Well, in a society bent on self-desctruction, sure --
I know many of us have expressed appreciation for what he taught us. I'm
going to further express that appreciation in this way: I'm going to try
to be what Gharlane was -- an effective teacher of things worth learning
-- to at least two other people in my life. It's not a lot, but then I'm
just a man, not a brain in a jar; we all do what we can. Anyway, I'll
promise to NOT stop at two if it looks like I'll have time for more. If
each of us did only that, anything else left undone in our lives just
wouldn't matter much.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
>on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
Let me put that one to rest - it actually *is* mostly deliberate. My
humour tends to work on at least a couple of levels: Those to whom the
posts are directed and those that know me well.
Those that know me well enough to know what my posts actually mean
tend to get the biggest laugh, though.
>I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
>Gharlane?
No idea! It's up to them, I suppose - I wouldn't know.
Paul Harper
<a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>they reacted by moving him all the
>way from Yellow Label to Earl Grey on the threat board...
Earl Grey Hot, if you please.
Joe Slater
>See, Gharlane was here as a _teacher_. Every time he corrected us (and
>no, I've not been in these groups for a long time, but I used to come in
>for my share of corrections, believe me I did), we learned something -- if
>we allowed ourselves to, and if we had the wit to recognize that there was
>something there WORTH learning.
Yes. I well recall how he corrected my spelling. On alt.folklore.urban
I referred to a story I had heard from my grandmother, well known for
her voracity. He kindly corrected me and explained that I surely meant
*veracity*. His kindness and thoughtfulness cheered me up for days.
jds
--
Joe Slater was but a low-grade paranoiac, whose fantastic notions must
have come from the crude hereditary folk-tales which circulated in even
the most decadent of communities.
_Beyond the Wall of Sleep_ by H P Lovecraft
B. Durbin
Wow. Okay, you just made me feel really, really good on Gharlane's behalf.
Because you just stood up for everything he really cared about. There's too
many people out there trying to make us feel that there's nothing really
worth caring about, and you've just declared your membership in the Lensmen.
Paul Harper
<p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
>rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
>who has just left this plane of existence.
I fail to see why. I took severe exception to the simplistic gun lobby
threads while he was alive - what has changed that makes that
different now?
If you guys want to go and sanctify Gharlane's memory and build marble
caricatures of what you remember of him then that's up to you.
Personally, I think it more fitting to remember him for all that he
was - negatives as well as positives.
And *before* you leap down my throat at that line, I freely
acknowledge that he had many and varied positive sides. People whom I
have met face-to-face several times and whose opinions I value and
respect (especially Ali and Shaz) have said how kind and generous he
was towards them. So *DON'T* go taking that comment as some half-arsed
attack.
Reality check time guys.
Rick
news:t8crito8alonsnmn2...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:40:56 GMT, Pete McCutchen
> <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
> >rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
> >who has just left this plane of existence.
>
> I fail to see why.
Yes you do. And that's your problem.
Paul Harper
wrote:
No I don't (and I'll thank you not to tell me what I am thinking,
especially when it's so inaccurate).
It seems to be your problem rather than mine. Live with it.
Paul.