Deckard WAS a replicant
Peter Gustafsson
>(But surely these are discussed before.)
>
>
>Roy Batty: "Aren't you the good man. Come on, Deckard!"
>Gaff: "You've done a man's job!"
>
>Both sentences are in favor like Deckard could be something
>else than 'man'.
>
>Also, I got an idea: what if the unicorn dream sequence
>is not dream, but Deckard just remember.
>As you know what Roy Batty said about that he has seen things
>what man is not.
>So, if Deckard is a replicant he propably has also seen things
>like no man has seen -- unicorn.
>
>Or such...
>
>Juhana Kouhia
What do you mean? How could these phrases imply that Deckard is something else than a human?
Roy is just mocking an enemy and I thought Gaff's line was something like a proverb in English.
I know, not proverb, but a phrase that everybody knows of, like 'Hasta la vista...' and so on :0
Questions arise: who of the other character's know of Deckards 'inhumanity'(I do believe know that
he is not born of a woman)?
Surely not his boss, who refers to all replicants as 'skinjobs'.
The only person who suspects seems to be Rachel.
But Tyrell must have known, or...?
Meaningless question, I suppose.
Seen a unicorn? Where? When? Some Tyrell manufactured?
I think Roy was more than half mad through the whole film. I mean, we have this individual extremely
intelligent and sensitive(and by that I don't mean soft). He just can't make up with the fact that he's about
to die so soon, so much unfinished. In the end he does, I guess.
The DC opens this friday here. I'll be hanging at the gates. All I wish is that it won't be worse than the
'82 version. Great movie.
/Peter.
Peter Gustafsson
It would be a clever way to solve a tricky problem.
It seems as if human lives were valued higher than replicant ones.
Giving a lot of human policemen the mission of hunting, identifying and killing the replicants
must be a dangerous trade. So you create other replicants with great stamina, ordinary appearance
and not too stupid so that they won't look 'so perfect'.
Or maybe the first BR's were human, only the later-model replicants were too good, casualties occured
(Holden), so they made another replicant and gave him a life as Deckard 'ex-BR'.
Wow! I should have written the script all by myself! :0
/Peter.
John LaRocque
time to end the debate right now about "Deckard is a repilicant".
Read the book. Deckard is human who just happens to married (not like the
ex- in the movie, but we'll give that Scott guy some creative license). He
is human, and the whole book (and others) asks the question "what is a human
being".
As far as I'm concerned, Blade Runner the movie is about so-called
replicants who are just as human as you or I but have a limited lifespans
and thus are not "fully" human as the rest of us. Humanity is the central
issue here, not "is he a repicant" you repugnant fanboys.
Maybe the thread should be... Is Batty a true human being? Or Rachel?
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Markus Stumptner
> All right all you Blade Runner:the motion picture fanboys.
No fanboy calls it "Blade Runner:the motion picture", that kind of
title is reserved for trekkies. Actually, there is no "Blade
Runner:the novel", the book was originally titled "Do Androids of
Electric Sheep".
> I think it is
> time to end the debate right now about "Deckard is a repilicant".
No one ever said that. What's a repilicant anyway? Or should that be
reptilicant?
> Read the book.
The book is very good, but has not much in common with the movie. In
particular, the portrayal of androids in the book is the opposite of
that in the movie.
> As far as I'm concerned, Blade Runner the movie is about so-called
> replicants who are just as human as you or I but have a limited lifespans
> and thus are not "fully" human as the rest of us. Humanity is the central
> issue here, not "is he a repicant" you repugnant fanboys.
The whole film revolves around the issue whether being a replicant
makes a difference in terms of humanity.
The correct word to use, btw, is "anal fanboys", usually applied by
somebody who knows a film to those who know it better.
> Maybe the thread should be... Is Batty a true human being? Or Rachel?
Why is it ok to discuss the humanity of Batty and Rachel, but not of
Deckard? Anyway, nobody doubts that they are to all purposes
("morally") human, that's what the film is about, and there's no value
in discussing that. The point is that the degree to which this fact
is established depends on whether Deckard is a replicant. Deckard is
the central character of the film. For the viewer of the film,
determining "how" human the replicants are hinges on the ability to
compare. If Deckard is human, then there's a good human yardstick for
that comparison. If he's not, there's not, and the case for the
humanity of the replicants (which would is otherwise perfectly
established in the Batty/Deckard showdown, when Batty lets Deckard
live and therefore shows his superiority over the human) is a bit
weaker.
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Juhana Kouhia
In article <1992Nov30.2...@fy.chalmers.se>
f90...@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Gustafsson) writes:
>
>>Roy Batty: "Aren't you the good man. Come on, Deckard!"
>>Gaff: "You've done a man's job!"
>>
>>Both sentences are in favor like Deckard could be something
>>else than 'man'.
>>
>>Also, I got an idea: what if the unicorn dream sequence
>>is not dream, but Deckard just remember.
>>As you know what Roy Batty said about that he has seen things
>>what man is not.
>>So, if Deckard is a replicant he propably has also seen things
>>like no man has seen -- unicorn.
>
>something else than a human? Roy is just mocking an enemy and I
>thought Gaff's line was something like a proverb in English. I
>know, not proverb, but a phrase that everybody knows of, like 'Hasta
>la vista...' and so on :0
We have those slogans (sp?) in Finnish too.
It is that interesting note they have taken to the movie,
not, for example, "I will kick your ass off, Deckard"
or "Excellent job, dude". Or such :-)
I don't say they really are meaned to point out that
Deckard is a replicant, but the funny is to discuss about
this kind of thing and think if there's connection or
why those slogans was choosed or why there's slogans at all.
>Questions arise: who of the other character's know of Deckards
>'inhumanity'(I do believe know that he is not born of a woman)?
>
>Surely not his boss, who refers to all replicants as 'skinjobs'.
>The only person who suspects seems to be Rachel.
>But Tyrell must have known, or...?
>
>Meaningless question, I suppose.
The boss says about 'little people'; what that means actually?
The non-police people or even skinjobs?
I'm wondering why Deckard must have taken the offered job?
He turned back from the door, but why?
Why not to live as he lived before?
Hmm.. what else boss said at that place?
Is there BR screenplay in electronic format?
>Seen a unicorn? Where? When? Some Tyrell manufactured?
Dream or the explanation above.
>I think Roy was more than half mad through the whole film. I mean, we
>have this individual extremely intelligent and sensitive(and by that
>I don't mean soft). He just can't make up with the fact that he's
>about to die so soon, so much unfinished. In the end he does, I guess.
I would say desperate and loved to Pris who was dying sooner than he
expected himself to die?
Juhana Kouhia
James P. H. Fuller
I mean, for Chrissakes, look at the hood ornament! All the dipsticks
who think he was a replicar are full of Amolube.
-- jf
Pentti Lajunen
No he absolutely couldn't have been Chevy. He didn't even have wheels, for
christ sake!!!
Pentti Lajunen
>The boss says about 'little people'; what that means actually?
>The non-police people or even skinjobs?
Bryant was a really jerk (I liked him, however 8-). He ment that if Deckard
was not working for them he is "little people." And to little people police
forces can do anything they like. He was just threatening Deckard.
>I'm wondering why Deckard must have taken the offered job?
>He turned back from the door, but why?
>Why not to live as he lived before?
>Hmm.. what else boss said at that place?
>Is there BR screenplay in electronic format?
Bryant: "Stop right there where you are! You know the score! If you're not
cop, you are little people!"
Deckard (walking back to Bryant's desk): "No choice, uh?"
Bryant: "No choice, pal."
The whole point in that scene, IMO, is the system of getting people (humans or
replicants) to kill other people they don't even know.
If you're not a killer, then you will be the victim. "You know the score!"
...and choose the side if you can.
Markus Stumptner
> No he absolutely couldn't have been Chevy. He didn't even have wheels, for
> christ sake!!!
If he'd had artificial wheels, he could have been a replicant Chevy.
Punk Rocketeer
m...@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
> From article <1992Dec2.1...@nntp.hut.fi>, by
peju...@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen):
>> No he absolutely couldn't have been Chevy. He didn't even have wheels, for
>> christ sake!!!
>
> If he'd had artificial wheels, he could have been a replicant Chevy.
Which would explain the origami Hot Wheels on top of the piano.
But what about lift units?
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Joseph Askew
>From article <1992Dec2.1...@nntp.hut.fi>, by peju...@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen):
>> No he absolutely couldn't have been Chevy. He didn't even have wheels, for
>> christ sake!!!
>If he'd had artificial wheels, he could have been a replicant Chevy.
But how would you run a VoiCom test to find out?
Presumably you would have to test the response time. Take it to a street
intersection and when the light turns green floor it perhaps?
Maybe not
Joseph Askew
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Markus Stumptner
> In article <61...@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> m...@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>>If he'd had artificial wheels, he could have been a replicant Chevy.
> But how would you run a VoiCom test to find out?
Look deeply into his headlights. If they glow, you've got him.
James P. H. Fuller
We all know the world is full of Elvis-replicants *today*, but
the significant question is whether the King himself was a replicant;
and if so, of whom? If you and I don't worry about questions like this,
who will?
-- jf
01fo...@ac.dal.ca
1 - Of course he was a replicant - of Mozart, who was a replicant of Prestor
John, who was a replicant of King Tut. Elvis himself was replicated as Dan
Quayle, but not a lot of people know this because the replication fouled up.
2 - someone sitting in a shrine in the mountains of Tibet contemplating the
vagaries of life.