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d rosen

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Oct 6, 2005, 11:42:07 AM10/6/05
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some advice from battery experts please.

would a car cigarette lighter usb power adapter (e.g. see below) also
allow me to plug hot np1 li-ons into a usb socket.


http://www.addonics.com/products/power_adapter/aacaru5v2a.asp

dan

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 6, 2005, 12:51:06 PM10/6/05
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traco


TEN 5-1211 5 VDC 1000 mA

just hook the cables , better then the bulky car device

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d rosen

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Oct 6, 2005, 2:14:07 PM10/6/05
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thanks very much oleg,

despite not speaking german there is 1 in the post to me now.
when you say "just hook up the cables" i hope you mean it's a straight
forward solder job.
i was going to put the component in line (between connectors) and wrap
it with tape to secure it but i'm wondering if it makes too much heat
for this to be ok. i think the connectors are too small to put the
component in-any advice?

dan.

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 6, 2005, 2:45:21 PM10/6/05
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"d rosen" <danie...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> thanks very much oleg,
>
> despite not speaking german there is 1 in the post to me now.
> when you say "just hook up the cables" i hope you mean it's a straight
> forward solder job.

no - to glue it with the spittle:-)

> i was going to put the component in line (between connectors) and wrap
> it with tape to secure it but i'm wondering if it makes too much heat
> for this to be ok. i think the connectors are too small to put the
> component in-

after you soldering it - you can put some epoxy over and then stuck it
inside 35 mm metal film magazine so it can work as heat scatter ( is it
the right word?)
I think you get the idea:-)
one thing , the USB connector- right angle if you find one

d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 6:14:24 AM10/7/05
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oleg,

delivery was fast but my brain is slow. i have 6 pins and a pdf in
german (that i can't read). what next?
i would play guessing games but i dont want to blow anything up.
so, what pin to what wire?
oh yeah, do use this traco 1211 with a circuit board or solder straight
to the wires?

dan.

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 6:36:37 AM10/7/05
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Frank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> delivery was fast but my brain is slow. i have 6 pins and a pdf in
> german (that i can't read). what next?

Frank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


> i would play guessing games but i dont want to blow anything up.
> so, what pin to what wire?
> oh yeah, do use this traco 1211 with a circuit board or solder straight
> to the wires?

I don't know , what do you wont to do with the unit , to put it in some box
, to put shrink over?

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Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
>

> dan.
>


Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:04:58 AM10/7/05
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http://www.tracopower.com/products/ten5.pdf


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wildt®ax

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:35:08 AM10/7/05
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What? I´m here. I don´t read every thread ;-)

frank.

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:40:13 AM10/7/05
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I already sent him the English version

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What? I惴 here. I don愒 read every thread ;-)

frank.


d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:51:26 AM10/7/05
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oleg,

after soldering a 12 pin hirose i probably need to get my eyes checked,
i couldn't find the the english pdf for looking.
english PDF certainly helps.

ok, as you ask, i'm using a 4 pin hirose from my hawkwoods np1 shoe via
a 2 wire (+screen) power cable, 25 cm along i want to put the traco, as
low profile as possible (maybe solder wires straight to pins and
splurge the the hole lot with a gluegun, as it insulates and holds
cables and i can leave traco's metal housing free to loose heat), then
another 50cm of same power cable to a 12 pin hirose (that i'm using for
a breakaway for input and outputs to the MT), then from breakaway
another 10cm of power cable (lighter than the other) soldered into a
modified USB mini-b plug kit. everything but for the power cable is
done and working very nicely (ok the headphone return is wired the
wrong way, but i can live with that).

breakaway cable for something that lives in the bag might seem like
overkill but it helps keeping things tidy and takes the strain off 1
cable and/or fitting, quick de-rig too.

all i need then is a cover for the MT.

dan.

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:58:48 AM10/7/05
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never solder the the dc thru the snake - leave the dc outside of the cable ,
less junctions -better


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Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

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wildt®ax

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Oct 7, 2005, 7:59:43 AM10/7/05
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dan,

the link is in this thread two messages up.

frank.

d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 8:10:07 AM10/7/05
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frank,

thanks (despite my grammar i did see it).

oleg, the hirose breakaway is the only place power and signal share-the
mixer side of breakaway has 3 tails and the MT side has 4. are you
saying that i should not put the power cable through the breakaway even
though it's seperate from the audio cable?

dan

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 8:26:45 AM10/7/05
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yes
from the reason , that if someone happened to your snake ( audibly) , you
will be able to replace it fast with external cable ,
if something happens to your dc- you would have to take the all snake out
shit happens

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d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 8:37:32 AM10/7/05
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Mm,

i hear your point, 1 could apply it to any of the I/P or O/P cables in
the breakaway,
the MT has it's own power and i think it will get a seperate battery
pack anyway or those sort of emergencies. i'm going to try for the
convenience of 1 breakaway, partly to reduce risk of damage to the usb
I/P of the MT, but i was concerned that you might think there will be
interference problems caused by the power cable to the audio cables.

is interference likely?

dan

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 8:52:49 AM10/7/05
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don't think so if you have filtered dc
until you will not try it you wouldn't know , check it with your wireless
hooked to external battery

where do you take the main signal , "link out" unbalance , split the xlrs?

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d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 9:32:19 AM10/7/05
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oleg,

mixer tails:
unbalanced ta3/HP/power into (M)12p hirose

MT tails:
2x 1/4" balanced jacks/HP/power from (F)12p hirose

did it this way so i could make balanced tails up if needed (will tie
across pins in mixer hirose if needed-but doesn't seem to need it at
present). i have splitter leads for balanced XLR O/Ps on 302 but was
advised against using that configuration. what do think?

dan

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 9:42:30 AM10/7/05
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why do you need the 12 pin hirosa ( or it sqn tadgimi) ?

its in the bag , you maximum need 2 feet
why to put extra weight , ?

really don't see any benefit
i make all my short snakes 3.5 feet so i can use them on my cart as well

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d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 9:58:56 AM10/7/05
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oleg,

12pin like betacam zoom servo command (quite small-not like tajima,
more like lemo size).

tails long enough (1m total) to thread through petrol and still hold
upto my nose for me to read file numbers ;-)
will be nice for my scateboard sized cart too ;-)

all seperate leads would have been messy and i would need to use
something to go from 1x3p unbalanced stereo (ta3) to 2x3p balanced
stereo. it all seemed like a good idea at the time and it's not heavy.

after i make power lead and pouch i'll send you photo.

dan.

Oleg Kaizerman

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Oct 7, 2005, 10:09:50 AM10/7/05
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ok
I know what are you talking , I thought you thinking about sqn in the
future:-)

so what did you deside ,external powering ?


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d rosen

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Oct 7, 2005, 11:18:03 AM10/7/05
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oleg iv'e done half the soldering for the power lead through the hirose
so i'm going to brave that option-i'm in USA in 2 weeks and will buy
usb battery pack for the day i forget to charge my np1.

obviously i've now started to think of all the different scenarios and
therefor configurations i might want/need the MT to be wired.
as if i would end up with an sqn from production or should i make the
power lead compatible with a battery holder, maybe put the traco on a
connector so i can use it on another cable, maybe 2x XLRs to ta3 in
case in case...

i'll think of this 1 as mark 1 and if it's still the 1 in 1 years time
then this 1 will the 1 until another 1 becomes the 1/mark 2.

thinking about making a non-slip pouch by painting protected MT with
liquid latex, a bit like some i-pud things. shame mobile phones are so
small now, that would be easier.

dan

Kurt Albershardt

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Oct 7, 2005, 8:49:11 PM10/7/05
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d rosen wrote:
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> i'm using a 4 pin hirose from my hawkwoods np1 shoe via
> a 2 wire (+screen) power cable, 25 cm along i want to put the traco, as
> low profile as possible (maybe solder wires straight to pins and
> splurge the the hole lot with a gluegun, as it insulates and holds
> cables and i can leave traco's metal housing free to loose heat),

How much current do you need? You can shoehorn one of the PT series
switchers from TI into a pretty small box (and they are quite inexpensive.)

d rosen

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Oct 8, 2005, 7:07:33 AM10/8/05
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kurt,

thanks for the reply, what does it mean? (PT, TI).
i'm wanting to power a certain usb device from my li-on np1, i now have
a traco voltage regulator thingy and i'm just waiting for some usb
assembly kits-i want to make a low profile usb plug that wont stick out
so far that it gets knoocked a lot.

the traco thingy cost 22gbp so i'm hoping it really is the muts nuts of
voltage regulators, it's certainly as big as some mut's nuts (but only
1s thats have been modified ;-/ )

dan

jeremiah moore

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Oct 28, 2005, 3:42:03 PM10/28/05
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d rosen -

any progress with your USB powering solution? I'm following this
thread with interest, as I recently purcased a microtrack and am
interested in finding external power solutions. I figure a lot of
folks out there would be interested in your experience!

-jeremiah

d rosen

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Nov 1, 2005, 11:58:39 AM11/1/05
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yes, i have now built my USB power lead.
np1 to usb via TRACO (ten 5-1211 (9-18v in 5v out)) voltage regulator,
hirose 12 pin break away, and MOLEX self assembled usb plug
(47014-0000).

http://www.tracopower.com/products/index.htm
http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/molex/home_init.jsp

so far it seems to be working fine. no interference on audio from the
power going through the same breakaway. it all looks very crude (glue
gun and self amalgamating tape)-just the way i like it. i modified the
usb plug so it's now a right angle plug and sticks out only 9mm with
some good support around it so hopefully it wont wobble or bend or more
importantly damage MT. i used a similar method for the trs I/P and mini
O/P.

btw, you need to boot the MT before you power up from an external
source - some else mentioned this already i think.

i have taken some pictures of the assembly process and although i dont
think i'll get time to post photos anywhere before i travel, i'll try
to get them up at some point if any1 is interested.

many thanks oleg for the advice and very happy birthday for tomorrow.

now, while the glue gun is still hot, i'm going to try and make a
protective case for the MT.

dan

ps i got an hitachi 4gb microdrive for 60 gbp inc shipping, the
packaging had been previously opened but it does not look 'used' and is
working fine. the vendor said it had been opened so he could run a
check on the what devices the drive would work with-i wouldn't risk it
if a shoot depended on it but then i wouldn't use a MT either in that
context (at the moment)-but as a back device, transcript recorder,
maybe foley and atmos too and certainly just something to give me a
record of what i do its small, light and cheap. and it's not a pain to
load the audio into a computer.

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