Is the doctor Alien, or an evolved human? Is he perhaps, like
his time machine, a cloaked alien, one who only appears human,
the same way his time machine only looks like a police box?
Is there another explanation for the doctor, one where, like
the psychic paper, he appears to be all things to all people?
If the Doctor were an evolved human, then it would make a kind
of sense to have him go back in to time to protect his timeline,
or protect the genesis of his own being. Would this make the
doctor's motives seem too selfish?
<snip>
I've always assumed that the Doctor is an alien whose species,
by one of those amazing coincidences so common in TV sci-fi,
look exactly like humans (we can mutter about 'convergent evolution'
to try to up the sci content if you like).
I never liked the 'half-human' thing from the TV movie; I'm not
much more keen on the 'evolved human' idea, TBH. I rather like
the seeing a science fiction universe where humans aren't the most
wonderful things in creation.
Diane L.
He's Jesus innit?
Alien from a late Planet called Gallifrey.
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Reading the thread title I initially thought you were referring to the
Village Idiot from Edmonton, Alberta
My apologies for the misunderstanding
LOL!
Skewer yourself loop.
Bit of a violent response! Did you say things like that at the job
interview?
No, we laugh WITH Hulahoop. We laugh AT you.
Edmonton's Village Idiot (EVI) shows himself up as the spoiled little
brat I had always thought he was
Personally, I think EVI suits him even better than Yads as an epithet
Regards
Ged
I must introduce you 2 to Jenikatra the Jannewhackra one of these days.
Yes Honest John these trolls are Nth degree evil!
I know of his Gallifrian roots. My point is that
this planet of Time lords, could be advance humans
with an understandable interest in human affairs.
The Time Wars etc, kind of put paid to that side
of the doctor, ie the side which also dealt with
the politics of time.The manipulation of history
is no longer part of the potential panoply of
stories.
There again, there might have been a Gallifrian
schools of thought, which says you leave the past,
especially their own past, to evolve of its own accord.
The past i already been written, the present can't
be rewritten, unless your a time lord.
The Doctor, though, might have had his own reasons
to intrude on the past, maybe as a result of something
he set in motion, hence his constant meddling in human
affairs. His dilemma - do you leave history to chance,
with the possibility of chaos and Atrophy. If not, who
decides fate, and what would their judgment be based
upon?
In all this there is the thought, why is the doctor
so human, why isn't he more alien.
For alien, you might read eccentric.
And inventive.
Make him TOO eccentric and you'll confuse / lose the younger viewers and
casual viewers. They want SOME human traits in a tv hero.
What about it? I'm talking about him behaving too alien.
What about shut the fuck up and stop irritating people with stupid
asinine questions you sub-human mutant troll creep!?
Absolutely !!
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Yes you are
TRoll on sad lying anti-social troll Tom80s the SADako.
Oh grow up you stupid man-child. If your definition of "evil to the
core" are people who dispute your nonsense then you seriously need your
head looking at!
Yes Honest John kook trolls like alan Sailsbury always project.
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So are you saying humans aren't inventive?
There is a significant difference between what one does, ie
invent/find solutions, and how one is perceived, ie ordinary
abnormal, eccentric. Maybe it is eccentric to be inventive. ;-/
>>>> Absolutely !!
>>>> --
>>>> John C.
>>> Evil to the core.
>> Oh grow up you stupid man-child. If your definition of "evil to the
>> core" are people who dispute your nonsense then you seriously need your
>> head looking at!
>>
>
> Yes Honest John kook trolls like alan Sailsbury always project.
Dave, grow up. For your own sake.
If you weren't told the doctor was an alien, it would impossible
to determine this from his caricaturisation. Maybe he's just a
very clever alien able to appear human to the last detail, there
again the older doctors had this trait of eccentricity, their
acceptance somehow reflected the norm.
Difference, to follow the lead of those Doctors, was inventive.
It seems to me by accepting their difference we were also more
tolerant. Tolerant of age, tolerant of the quirky less than
perfect beings they portrayed. These days in appealing to market
forces, or chasing what we say will appeal to the public, you
almost marginalize those on the edge of taste. I'm not arguing
for TOO eccentric, i'm just saying our current doctor is/was
too ordinary, too human.
What about zany?
But they had to ease a brand new audience into the series gradually.
Hatnell was very human, so were his successors. Has The Doctor EVER been
more than just a bit eccentric? If you met any of the 10 Doctors you'd
just think the most eccentric of them were a bit weird or childish. You
wouldn't think they were "alien".
Yads, this is beyond you. Go back to sleep.
So I encourage you to "grow up" and your immediate response is to react
like a child? You're hopeless.
Actually to be called evil to the core by Edmonton's Village Idiot
means that he thinks I am nothing like him
Amen to that
Regards
Ged
Hulahoop is not evil to the core, just loopy.
This post is to advise that the carbon entity calling itself
"the doctor" in these newsgroups is not an alien.
Visits by extraterrestrials to Earth is governed by the
policy standards promulgated under the authority of the
Galactic Counsel. These policy standards require operatives
to be highly intelligent, well trained, and of high moral
character.
Carbon entities like "the doctor" do not meet minimum
standars and, if this entity were an extraterrestrial, would
not be deployed to Earth.
Please accept our apologies for any misunderstandings that
may have arisen from this matter.
Janduq Kwiqurnal
Manager, Earth Operation
Planetary Surveillance Operations
Planetary Development Directorate
Galactic Counsel
Quite frankly, I'd settle for weird or childish. Anything
but comfortable and ordinary. As for alien, well that would
be anything we noticed enough to object to or fear.
In his own way Chris Eccleston, with his ill fitting grin,
was eccentric. Like an alien trying to be human. He wasn't
easy on the eye, he was quirky, a little bit rough around
the edges, not your typical tv hero. All of which made him
a perfect Doctor.
My point is any of the old doctors, would most likely be
'locked up' if they showed up on your local high street
looking and acting as they did. Tennant for me, didn't
have that quirk.
In my own way i am making a point about how the idealization
of the norm, marginalizes those who aren't seen as the norm.
If the leading man is always safe, or the leading woman is
always beautiful, then what does that say about those who
don't meet that expectation. Is there a place for them in our
manufactured image of the archetypal.
In the old days, when Pertweet dashed about with his frilly
shirts, or Troughton played his pipe, or Hartnell simply
dothered about, they made their points by being both the hero
and the unexpected. They were of an age, and yet they were
also rebels. Rebels who reflected a time when the young were
suppose to take that lead. They were against type, and that
made them all the more alien... These days the need for a
sex interest or a safe figure for the local and international
ratings means promoting the homodgenous type.
In all this, its the implications that i'm looking at. What
happens as you marginalized or otherwise create the unasked
question, for all those who don't or won't fit the archetypal.
Tv should be creating new types, widening the franchise so
that more people see themselves. In the old days this function
of debunking the myth of the other, was also the role of tv
and popular culture. As an example, imagine if the doctor were
less cool, with say, pebble glasses and a 'bobby charlton' comb-
over. Over night all those with pebble glasses and comb-over
would become cool. The eccentric could also be seen as an
example of the individualist, in our overly conformist world.
<Wites that in my "Diary">
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Yes Yads. If you got off your arse and stepped into the real world you'd
notice that most people don't dress as Edwardian gentlemen.
....and so on.
>
> In his own way Chris Eccleston, with his ill fitting grin,
> was eccentric. Like an alien trying to be human.
I think if I met someone like that I'd assume they were retarded, not
from another planet.
>
> My point is any of the old doctors, would most likely be
> 'locked up' if they showed up on your local high street
> looking and acting as they did. Tennant for me, didn't
> have that quirk.
Not even with his manic mugging and fast paced chatter? He'd stand out
from the crowd doing that, and to an outsider it'd look pretty odd. I
think I'd assume he was on drugs.
They all have characteristics of "strange blokes you meet in pubs". I
don't mean they're necessarily alcoholics, but that they're not the type
of person you'd ever encountered socially - weirder than your weirdest
mate's weirdest mate. (With an extra suitcase of weird.)
And of these, 10th is the least outlandish - he does "manic" more
like an overgrown student (also abundant in pubs round these parts), and
his most common way of mentioning that he's an alien is by saying how
brilliant humans are.
It might be that the new series is trying for a more realistic
character, but 10th is still a lot less interesting than 9th -
"different morality, get used to it", "stupid apes" etc.
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It's an interesting topic and one that's quite thought provoking. We do
accept The Doctor in the context of the tv show but meeting people who
dress/behave like that in real life I think we'd consider them all to
have mental problems. Funny old world isn't it?
Doctor No.6 is the obvious example, but the others aren't much better.
If I met a middle aged bloke who wore question marks all over his jumper
I'd think he was retarded. Doctor No.9 looks the most "normal" of the
lot, until he does his weird grin.
I suppose Doctor No.3 could just about get away with his dress sense for
the early 1970s in a certain context (a party for the velvet jacket and
frilly shirt perhaps) but he'd look a right twat walking around that
mining community like that. ;-)
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>> Yes Yads. If you got off your arse and stepped into the real world you'd
>> notice that most people don't dress as Edwardian gentlemen.
>>
>
> So how would you present yourself in front of HMTQ?
In which story did Hartnell's Doctor meet the Queen, and why would
wearing Edwardian clothes be appropriate? Where is this leading, Yads?
This is precisely my point. We have our preconceptions which
the culture does everything to reinforces, when it could so
easily do the other thing. If this oddly fitting person was
the center of a drama where despite appearance he was also
remarkable, think what that would say about all the other
oddly fitting people in society.
OK, the doctor would have the excuse of being 'alien', but
that's not to say this wouldn't have another effect on the
population swept along with the entertainment.
>
>>
>> My point is any of the old doctors, would most likely be
>> 'locked up' if they showed up on your local high street
>> looking and acting as they did. Tennant for me, didn't
>> have that quirk.
>
> Not even with his manic mugging and fast paced chatter? He'd stand out
> from the crowd doing that, and to an outsider it'd look pretty odd. I
> think I'd assume he was on drugs.
>
Yes yes yes... but as viewers we would know he was the doctor.
Yads. you're going off at a tangent. You asked if the 1st Doctor was
eccentric. I replied he was because he dresses in Edwardian clothes. Do
you see my point?
Liar! The only time the word "queen" appears in Season 1 is to
describe a chess piece.
Is Zany not the same as eccentric? Or is eccentric also about
choice? Maybe there's a distinction between the choices a person
makes, to fit in or not, and their state, over which they have
little choice. Is this distinction about behavior or appearance?
What would the non threating non-conformist look like, if its
not the eccentric. Or is your point that eccentric carries with
it a stigma, where zany is more pop. Zany wacky, goofy?
And yet he is representative of the people reached by these
influences, how many see the masses as the source of the
ideas which affects them?
Or maybe you're the one that's asleep... kind of hard to tell
these days.
I think that you're rite !!
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John C.
Well pardon me not not replying within the two minutes since your last
post! Sheez.
The first Doctor was too stuffy (conservative) IMHO.
Doctor 2 was zany. 3 Had a proportional sense of justice.
I do.
Touche.
LOL!
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Even if he's not an alien, he is plain wierd.
LOL
There are two lines of thought on this:
a) In Pyramids of Mars, The Doctor states "I am not even remotely
human". This would seem to end the debate and is the option chosen by
most hardcore fans.
b) In Five Doctors, it is clearly stated that ancient Gallifreyan
history is "forbidden knowledge". In the untransmitted story Shada,
what history does exist is stated as being unstudied and neglected. In
Trial of a Timelord, it is clearly stated that the Timelords believe
the Earth capable of producing a race to equal the Timelords. Since
humans never show such a capability in Earth's future, one could
suppose this was because they had used that capability to be in the
past. Since Gallifreyans don't know their own origin, they cannot be
aware of any human component to that origin, thus eliminating the
apparent paradox of (a). Most hardcore fans say (b) is overanalyzing,
but I like it.
What kind of a stupid twat posts a message header?
WHOOOSH!! (right over Yaddsie's noggin)
I'll consider your pardon.
If you give me a cookie.
What kind of a stupid twat posts a message header?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Look in the mirror...
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> In article <b448cf8e-37b7-477d...@g19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> In article <KPudncQWTqIs-zvX...@bt.com>,
> >> Lord Alan of Zarbiface <zarbi...@yahoodit.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >In which story did Hartnell's Doctor meet the Queen, and why would
> >> >wearing Edwardian clothes be appropriate? Where is this leading, Yads?
> >> >
> >>
> >> He claim to have do so in Season 1.
> >
> >Liar! The only time the word "queen" appears in Season 1 is to
> >describe a chess piece.
>
> Season 1 - Hartnell's Doctor.
Yes, I am aware of that fact. I'm not a total newbie. However I am
not aware of any Season 1 episode in which Hartnell's Doctor claimed
to have met the Queen.
In fact, as I said before, the _only_ time the word "queen" is even
mentioned in Season 1 is referring to a chess piece (by Ian in Marco
Polo part 2: The Singing Sands).
If I'm wrong then please provide the exact quote and episode title
where Hartnell's Doctor allegedly said it.
I'll take your word over Yads' any day, but even if Yads WAS right it
still wouldn't explain why the first Doctor was wearing Edwardian
clothes in 1963. (My point was that was simply part of his eccentricity,
which Yads didn't quite get.)
I think the way Yads' mind has worked is: I mentioned Edwardian, Yads'
brain immediately thought of King Edward... then the Queen... and he
went down that route instead of answering the question. Perhaps the
idiot even thinks you have to wear Edwardian clothes to meet the Queen.
Who knows?
10/10 JC !
I thought it was the start of Sense Sphere.
Even if it was, what RELEVANCE does it have to this thread?
WHAT?
Dave, you're making no sense. But you managed to ruin yet another topic
so consider your objective fulfilled.
Except YOU are the stupid twat who posted it, Yads...
LOL! He has the memory of a sieve.
> In article <8efe3614-5efd-441d...@38g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <b448cf8e-37b7-477d...@g19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> In article <KPudncQWTqIs-zvX...@bt.com>,
> >> >> Lord Alan of Zarbiface <zarbi...@yahoodit.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In which story did Hartnell's Doctor meet the Queen, and why would
> >> >> >wearing Edwardian clothes be appropriate? Where is this leading, Yads?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> He claim to have do so in Season 1.
> >> >
> >> >Liar! The only time the word "queen" appears in Season 1 is to
> >> >describe a chess piece.
> >>
> >> Season 1 - Hartnell's Doctor.
> >
> >Yes, I am aware of that fact. I'm not a total newbie. However I am
> >not aware of any Season 1 episode in which Hartnell's Doctor claimed
> >to have met the Queen.
> >
> >In fact, as I said before, the _only_ time the word "queen" is even
> >mentioned in Season 1 is referring to a chess piece (by Ian in Marco
> >Polo part 2: The Singing Sands).
> >
> >If I'm wrong then please provide the exact quote and episode title
> >where Hartnell's Doctor allegedly said it.
>
> I thought it was the start of Sense Sphere.
There's no episode called "Sense Sphere". I'll assume you meant "The
Sensorites", although the way your mind works, you could just as
easily have meant "Sense and Sensibility"!
Anyway, even assuming you did mean "The Sensorites", at no point in
that story does the Doctor claim to have met the Queen, or _any_
Queen. Perhaps you're thinking of this:
DOCTOR: Yes, and that extraordinary quarrel I had with that English
king, Henry VIII. (*chuckles*) Do you know, he threw a parson's nose
at me!
BARBARA: Well what did you do?
DOCTOR: Threw it back, of course! 'Take them to the Tower!' he said.
That's why I did it.
BARBARA: Why?
SUSAN: The TARDIS was inside the Tower!
However, even if you _did_ mean "King Henry VIII" when you said "the
Queen", that still has nothing to do with his eccentric Edwardian
clothes.
Yads is prone to making things up. For instance, he's decided the talking
snake in the Bible was Satan. He's decided that archaeologists have found
fragments of the ark. And now he thinks the 1st Doctor met the Queen because
he was wearing Edwardian clothes, and that the planet Telos appeared in Star
Trek. He'll tell you he has proof, but he'll never post it, and never admit
he got it wrong.
He's also an expert at the art of the non sequitur. Although I doubt he
knows what a non sequitur is, or how to find out as he seems to be unable to
use Google.
> In article <RbSdnVObs9MI7TjX...@centurytel.net>,
> \"The Great One\" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message =
>>news:h83550$5bq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article =
>><ad40ef14-edcd-4b89...@z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Hulahoop <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Sep 7, 7:19=3DA0am, Lord Alan of Zarbiface =
>><zarbiwa...@yahoodit.co.uk>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >> The Doctor wrote:
>>> >> > In article =
>><8e4181bd-2c3d-4661-bba8-a884a0a04...@q40g2000prh.googlegrou=3D
>>> >ps.com>,
>>> >> > Hulahoop =3DA0<sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> On Sep 6, 6:00=3D3DA0am, FishFood <d...@home.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> This may seem like a silly question, given all we know about
>>> >> >>> the doctor, his two hearts and his home planet, but its a
>>> >> >>> serious question for the fans.
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> Is the doctor Alien, or an evolved human? Is he perhaps, like
>>> >> >>> his time machine, a cloaked alien, one who only appears human,
>>> >> >>> the same way his time machine only looks like a police box?
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> Is there another explanation for the doctor, one where, like
>>> >> >>> the psychic paper, he appears to be all things to all people?
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> If the Doctor were an evolved human, then it would make a kind
>>> >> >>> of sense to have him go back in to time to protect his =
>>timeline,
>>> >> >>> or protect the genesis of his own being. Would this make the
>>> >> >>> doctor's motives seem too selfish?
>>> >> >> Reading the thread title I initially thought you were referring =
>>to the
>>> >> >> Village Idiot from Edmonton, Alberta
>>> >>
>>> >> >> My apologies for the misunderstanding
>>> >>
>>> >> > Skewer yourself loop.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bit of a violent response! Did you say things like that at the job
>>> >> interview?- Hide quoted text -
>>> >>
>>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>> >
>>> >Edmonton's Village Idiot (EVI) shows himself up as the spoiled little
>>> >brat I had always thought he was
>>> >
>>> >Personally, I think EVI suits him even better than Yads as an epithet
>>> >
>>> >Regards
>>> >
>>> >Ged
>>>=20
>>> I must introduce you 2 to Jenikatra the Jannewhackra one of these =
>>days.
>>>=20
>>> Yes Honest John these trolls are Nth degree evil!
>>> --=20
>>> Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
>>
>>Absolutely !!
>>--
>>John C.
>
> Evil to the core.
Yes you are that.
> In article <1PednTojOK8PCjjX...@bt.com>,
> Lord Alan of Zarbiface <zarbi...@yahoodit.co.uk> wrote:
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <RLKdnXMDAsXMFTjX...@bt.com>,
>>> Lord Alan of Zarbiface <zarbi...@yahoodit.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes Honest John these trolls are Nth degree evil!
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Absolutely !!
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> John C.
>>>>>>> Evil to the core.
>>>>>> Oh grow up you stupid man-child. If your definition of "evil to the
>>>>>> core" are people who dispute your nonsense then you seriously need
>>>>>> your head looking at!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes Honest John kook trolls like alan Sailsbury always project.
>>>> Dave, grow up. For your own sake.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Look in the mirror Alan Sailsbury.
>>
>>So I encourage you to "grow up" and your immediate response is to react
>>like a child? You're hopeless.
>>
>
> Said hopeless character assassin troll Alan Sailsbury.
Looks to me like it is YOU who is attempting character assassinations. When
you are confronted, you insult. When you are pressed, you become
incoherent. Either you're nuts or you have a drinking problem.
How do I starve trolls like john smith.
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Excpet mirror to shatter if these 2 trolls ever looks at one.
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0/10 deflective troll pandora.
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Or both.
Stop spouting lies and bullshit and try making some sense. That might be a
start...
You posted a message header for no discernable reason or purpose.
Ergo, you are *that* kind of a stupid twat.
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> Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Never Satan President Republic!
> The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1- Hide quoted text -
You remind me of the people Winston Smith resisted.
do tell,.......was Winston a trolling twat too?
I see you are not familiar with post WWII literature.