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Immortus45

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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Have any missing episodes been found since "Tomb of the Cybermen"?

Shannon Patrick Sullivan

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 12 Oct 1998 06:35:58 GMT, I overheard Immortus45 say:

> Have any missing episodes been found since "Tomb of the Cybermen"?

No complete episodes, no. However, numerous clips of various durations
from missing episodes have been found, many of which will be included on
the forthcoming "The Ice Warriors" video.

Shannon

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PeterIbrahim

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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Do Missing Episodes Clubs really exist, or are they just rumours created by
fans?

And if anybody out there, knows absolutely anything, remotely linked to
missing episodes,
do yourself, and every single doctor Who fan out there a favour, and tell
someone. Every
Who fan deserves the right to see these episodes at least one more time, or
a first time
for many people ( including me ). Even if you don't return them for the
BBC, at least return
them for every Doctor Who fan. It wasn't created for just a few people to
hold the episodes,
it was created for everybody to see the episodes. If you know something,
only you can do
something about it. Why not do the right thing, and etch yourself in fandom
forever.

Maybe one day, we shall see one more missing episode. Perhaps a daft,
stupid hope,
and one that may never come true, but it's just a hope. And if we stop
hoping, and dreaming,
then the chances become less.

Peter

Tim Roll-Pickering

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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PeterIbrahim wrote:
>
> Do Missing Episodes Clubs really exist, or are they just rumours created by
> fans?
>
Everytime this question has been raised, there has been a blanket
denial. Either: a) it is just a rumour; or b) the people doing the
denying know something they're no telling us.

> Maybe one day, we shall see one more missing episode. Perhaps a daft, stupid hope, and one that may never come true, but it's just a hope. > And if we stop hoping, and dreaming, then the chances become less.
>

Oh, it's not stupid-IIRC the BBC have several duplicates of episodes
they already held-eg Planet of the Daleks 4, 5 + 6 (but NOT 3!!!!) from
Kuwait in 1993-and there may well be more episodes around.

Richard Molesworth

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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Tim Roll-Pickering <t...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote in article
<362259...@ukc.ac.uk>...

> Oh, it's not stupid-IIRC the BBC have several duplicates of episodes
> they already held-eg Planet of the Daleks 4, 5 + 6 (but NOT 3!!!!) from
> Kuwait in 1993-and there may well be more episodes around.

Ah-herm!!! - the episodes came from Dubai actually. And in 1992.

And the BBC (actually BBC Enterprises - the film and videotape library were
never informed or consulted on the return, or what to do about the tapes)
junked the 2-inch tapes a matter of days after receiving them without
checking a) whether the episodes were of superior quality to the ones the
library held, and b) whether the contents of the boxes matched the labels!!
And it was not just the above three episodes that were returned - about
40+ 2-inch PAL tapes of DW were returned in total, just to sit in an
external loading bay, getting rained on, untill they were chucked
*unchecked* into a skip, and trashed.

And all this after the BBC had paid several *hundreds* of pounds to have
the tapes airfreighted from Dubai!!!

*If* there was - say - an episode of DW in PAL that was amongst this batch
that the BBC only held in NTSC or b&w, then it too was discarded
(allegedly).


Regards,


Richard.

Steve Roberts

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Oct 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/12/98
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PeterIbrahim <peteri...@btinternet.com> wrote in article
<6vtf48$5og$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...

> Do Missing Episodes Clubs really exist, or are they just rumours created
by
> fans?

I can honestly say that I have never seen a single piece of evidence to
suggest that missing episodes are held in private hands. The idea of a
'missing episodes club is a typical paranoid invention by those who truly
want to believe.

Steve


Mike Sivier

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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"Steve Roberts" <stever...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I can honestly say that I have never seen a single piece of evidence to
>suggest that missing episodes are held in private hands. The idea of a
>'missing episodes club is a typical paranoid invention by those who truly
>want to believe.

"Those who truly want to believe" ... X-Files reference! ("I want to
believe") ... I have it!

The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
beings in order to find the one with two hearts.

Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.

--
Mike


Desperate Dan, the mad mail man

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Whose first human contacts were a couple called Barney and Betty IIRC.

Desperate Dan, the reticulated man.

Ben Woodhams

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Mike Sivier wrote:
>The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
>have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
>beings in order to find the one with two hearts.
>Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.

<South Park>
Oh, that was Carl. He's new.
</South park>

Ben W.
--
"I know only that I exist - everything else is just my opinion."

Ben Woodhams

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Richard Molesworth wrote (s'cuse lack of chevrons):

"Ah-herm!!! - the episodes came from Dubai actually. And in 1992.

And the BBC (actually BBC Enterprises - the film and videotape library
were
never informed or consulted on the return, or what to do about the
tapes)
junked the 2-inch tapes a matter of days after receiving them without
checking a) whether the episodes were of superior quality to the ones
the
library held, and b) whether the contents of the boxes matched the
labels!!
And it was not just the above three episodes that were returned - about
40+ 2-inch PAL tapes of DW were returned in total, just to sit in an
external loading bay, getting rained on, untill they were chucked
*unchecked* into a skip, and trashed.

And all this after the BBC had paid several *hundreds* of pounds to have
the tapes airfreighted from Dubai!!!

*If* there was - say - an episode of DW in PAL that was amongst this
batch
that the BBC only held in NTSC or b&w, then it too was discarded
(allegedly)."

*1992* you say?

Pardon my French, but:

Un-FUCKing-believable.

Tim Roll-Pickering

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Richard Molesworth wrote:

> > Oh, it's not stupid-IIRC the BBC have several duplicates of episodes
> > they already held-eg Planet of the Daleks 4, 5 + 6 (but NOT 3!!!!) from
> > Kuwait in 1993-and there may well be more episodes around.

> Ah-herm!!! - the episodes came from Dubai actually. And in 1992.

Well, the site where I read this said Kuwait 1993, but a lot of the
details there conflict with better researched articles such as your one
in DWM last year.

> And the BBC (actually BBC Enterprises - the film and videotape library were
> never informed or consulted on the return, or what to do about the tapes)

How ridiculous! To think that in 1992 the BBC STILL didn't have proper
interarchival communications!

> junked the 2-inch tapes a matter of days after receiving them without
> checking a) whether the episodes were of superior quality to the ones the
> library held, and b) whether the contents of the boxes matched the labels!!
> And it was not just the above three episodes that were returned - about
> 40+ 2-inch PAL tapes of DW were returned in total, just to sit in an
> external loading bay, getting rained on, untill they were chucked
> *unchecked* into a skip, and trashed.
> And all this after the BBC had paid several *hundreds* of pounds to have
> the tapes airfreighted from Dubai!!!
> *If* there was - say - an episode of DW in PAL that was amongst this batch
> that the BBC only held in NTSC or b&w, then it too was discarded
> (allegedly).

Again, this story sounds so absurd that it must be true! A lot of
stories about episodes that HAVE been returned state that they had the
wrong labels on them, and that several episodes such as Tenth Planet:3
were nearly junked for the same reasons, and yet noone ever thought to
bolt that stable door to prevent even more horses bolting!

Dangermouse

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Desperate Dan, the mad mail man <jamie....@kcl.ac.uk> wrote

> > The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
> > have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
> > beings in order to find the one with two hearts.
> >
> > Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.
>

> Whose first human contacts were a couple called Barney and Betty IIRC.

Mister mail-man, "they" have been for a *very* long time....

Lucky Fred and Wilma were out shopping that day, huh?

--
"Try some terrorism for hire; we'll blow shit up... It's more fun!"

Desperate Dan, the mad mail man

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Dangermouse wrote:
>
> Desperate Dan, the mad mail man <jamie....@kcl.ac.uk> wrote
> > > The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
> > > have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
> > > beings in order to find the one with two hearts.
> > >
> > > Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.
> >
> > Whose first human contacts were a couple called Barney and Betty IIRC.
>
> Mister mail-man, "they" have been for a *very* long time....

Been here for a *very* long time, you mean? That's *their* story.
Trust No One ;-)

>
> Lucky Fred and Wilma were out shopping that day, huh?
>

Bizarrely enough, I think that's where Barney and Betty had been when
they was took.


Desperate Dan, the doubly-reticulated man.

Richard Molesworth

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Ben Woodhams <wood...@parliament.uk> wrote in article
<36236F...@parliament.uk>...


> *1992* you say?
>
> Pardon my French, but:
>
> Un-FUCKing-believable.
>
> Ben W.


It is, isn't it?? But it happened (although for the very best of reasons,
I can't divulge my sources)!!!

Richard.

Daniel Frankham

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:57:57 GMT, Mike Sivier wrote:

>The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
>have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
>beings in order to find the one with two hearts.
>
>Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.

Someone should tell them they're looking for hearts in all the wrong
places.

===========================================================================
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from the balls up. If you give us any more trouble we'll have you working
in the Gothic Romance factory under the name Rosemary Titmouse. Now go
home, sober up, and get a work on _Dying Earth X_" - Dan Simmons, Hyperion.

Charles Daniels

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Desperate Dan, the mad mail man <jamie....@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Bizarrely enough, I think that's where Barney and Betty had been when
> they was took.

Oh no they just went over the Hill!
*drum shot*

Charles Daniels

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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Ben Woodhams <wood...@parliament.uk> wrote:
> Mike Sivier wrote:
>>The missing episodes are all held by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who
>>have come to Earth to perform gross physical experiments on human
>>beings in order to find the one with two hearts.
>>Don't ask me why. They're weird alien guys.

> <South Park>


> Oh, that was Carl. He's new.
> </South park>

AHAHAHAHAHAH! That is one of my favorite lines from South Park, sorry
to anyone who hasn't seen the alien abduction episode, episode 2 I
believe.
Moo! mOOOmoomoomoomoo?

R.J. Smith

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Oct 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/13/98
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In article <01bdf630$054c6e00$b539e4d4@steverob>,
Steve Roberts <stever...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I can honestly say that I have never seen a single piece of evidence to
>suggest that missing episodes are held in private hands. The idea of a
>'missing episodes club is a typical paranoid invention by those who truly
>want to believe.

Yes, but I heard from my sister's friend's cousin, who knows a janitor at
the BBC, that that's exactly what they pay you to say...

- Robert Smith?

Mike Sivier

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Oct 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/14/98
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smit...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA (R.J. Smith) wrote:

From what I've seen here, the BBC doesn't even pay him to say the new
release of The Ice Warriors is a work of such complete and
unadulterated genius it makes Michaelangelo's David look like some sad
bloke showing off his knackers.

--
Mike


Aidan Folkes

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Oct 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/14/98
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R.J. Smith wrote:
: In article <01bdf630$054c6e00$b539e4d4@steverob>,
: Steve Roberts <stever...@compuserve.com> wrote:
:
: >I can honestly say that I have never seen a single piece of evidence to
: >suggest that missing episodes are held in private hands. The idea of a
: >'missing episodes club is a typical paranoid invention by those who truly
: >want to believe.
:
: Yes, but I heard from my sister's friend's cousin, who knows a janitor at
: the BBC, that that's exactly what they pay you to say...

Would this be the janitor who is BBC Choice's only viewer?

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Resistance is futile!

David J. A. Lewis

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Oct 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/16/98
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Mike Sivier wrote:

>
> smit...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA (R.J. Smith) wrote:
>
> >In article <01bdf630$054c6e00$b539e4d4@steverob>,
> >Steve Roberts <stever...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
> >>I can honestly say that I have never seen a single piece of evidence to
> >>suggest that missing episodes are held in private hands. The idea of a
> >>'missing episodes club is a typical paranoid invention by those who truly
> >>want to believe.
>
> >Yes, but I heard from my sister's friend's cousin, who knows a janitor at
> >the BBC, that that's exactly what they pay you to say...
>
> From what I've seen here, the BBC doesn't even pay him to say the new
> release of The Ice Warriors is a work of such complete and
> unadulterated genius it makes Michaelangelo's David look like some sad
> bloke showing off his knackers.

ROTFL

Quotefile !

By the way, done forget his broken toe ! It's just a good job the man
with the hammer wasn't taller.
--
Dai

Isn't this marvellous ?
I haven't been so happy since Adric got killed.

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