The Split: End of an Era
Bessey Cagdan
writes:
>it was a very refreshing break from most other newsgroups where
>flaming, obscene remarks, and obnoxious people ruined them.
>
>Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing. Then
>Newsweek and several other publications mentioned RAD as a nice place
>to visit. And it went downhill from there. This publicity was bait for
>those people who exist just to antagonize.
>
I can relate to what you are feeling. We've been going through the
same things on prodigy (no flames please) now that Disney has finally
approved a bulletin board and a chat area. We respected each others
opnions weather we agreed with them or not. Now I'm encountering a lot
of rudeness and bickering. I guess that's what happens when you
expand...sigh.
--Bessey
Margaret Gerberi
>In article <DC2HG...@nntpa.cb.att.com>, j...@mhcnet.att.com (Jeffrey_W_Dehaan) writes:
>|> Once the FDC left, the spirit of this newsgroup left with them. The
>|> informative posts became less frequent. The comraderie was gone. No more
>You know, not everyone in the FDC has gone. I'm like you. I don't have
>the time it takes to fully appreciate the MUCK. And I know there are
>others. I don't think that just because the group split, we have to give
>up on it. I for one voted for the split in an attempt to stop all of the
>Oh well. I guess all I'm really trying to say is that I love this group.
>And, I am not willing to just give up on the group. So, since I'm still
>holding some of Tink's pixie dust, here's a little smattering to try to
>perk up the place:
>* * * * * *
> * * * * * * *
> * * * * *
>* * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>There. How's that?
>Sandy
>FDC Winnie-the-Pooh
> (and holder of Tink's pixie dust)
*smile* Thanks Sandy! :)
Yes, it's been difficult to hold onto the group for the past year or so
b/c of RL ties and circumstances drawing me away (not to mention, being
fully immersed in the stuff 24 hours/day merits a bit of a break :})
...But after the wedding and getting settled in a new town and beginning
a new life, I know I'll be turning to r.a.d.'s new sub-groups more often
for my Disney-fix....so don't despair over the split of the group...we're
going through changes, yes....but those changes, too, will change :)
Keep that Pixie Dust goin'!
*Tink*
...who is away from r.a.d. for *just* a little longer until she's able to
establish a net connection after she moves and gets married to MC :)
Jeffrey_W_Dehaan
not a complete suprise, given the climate which has dominated this
newsgroup in recent months.
When I first became a participant in this newsgroup a little over a year
ago, it was a very refreshing break from most other newsgroups where
flaming, obscene remarks, and obnoxious people ruined them.
Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing. Then
Newsweek and several other publications mentioned RAD as a nice place
to visit. And it went downhill from there. This publicity was bait for
those people who exist just to antagonize.
The FDC (Future Disney Cabinet) were flamed.
I am the FDC Peter Pan, and I am proud of it.
Being the nice people they were, they decided to escape the fire (or was
it respect the opinions of others?) and formed the FDC Muck. The Muck
is a nice place to visit, but it requires a lot of time and commitment in
order to interact with everyone. The FDC was nice because those of us
who do not have a lot of time to spend on our computers could drop a message,
run off, and continue at a later time.
Once the FDC left, the spirit of this newsgroup left with them. The
informative posts became less frequent. The comraderie was gone. No more
"Welcome to the FDC or RAD" posts from King Louie. Information
became less accurate. Splooshing turned to bashing/flaming. And now the
sense of the whole has been broken into pieces which will remove the color
of the wind and replace it with Scars kingdom. We will trudge along in our
matter-of-fact split groups remembering the good old days.
Although I have never had the pleasure of meeting everyone
face-to-face, thanks for the memories. Good luck to my favorite pixie
and her tassled beau.
On to other adventures ... cock-a-doodle-dooooooooooooooooo............
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Jeff DeHaan o O ? You know, I have the strangest
FDC Peter Pan `/-> <==--\' feeling that I've seen that
FDC Spirit of Walt /> /\ ship before. A long time ago.
j...@mhcnet.att.com \ \ When I was young.
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Winnie-the-Pooh
|> informative posts became less frequent. The comraderie was gone. No more
|> "Welcome to the FDC or RAD" posts from King Louie. Information
|> became less accurate. Splooshing turned to bashing/flaming. And now the
|> sense of the whole has been broken into pieces which will remove the color
|> of the wind and replace it with Scars kingdom. We will trudge along in our
|> matter-of-fact split groups remembering the good old days.
You know, not everyone in the FDC has gone. I'm like you. I don't have
the time it takes to fully appreciate the MUCK. And I know there are
others. I don't think that just because the group split, we have to give
up on it. I for one voted for the split in an attempt to stop all of the
"why don't we split this group" discussions. That is the only reason. I
would prefer the group to be one, but it shouldn't hurt to have it split.
And it was truly obnoxious to see flames every six months like clock work.
Anyway, why don't we think of this as a type of call to arms. If all of
us who still prefer the news group, and even those that love the MUCK but
still occasion the news group, could put on our happy faces and work to
bring back the spirit, maybe it would be contagious. :^) Gee, look at
it this way - since the split passed, now we don't have to put "FDC" on
all our posts anymore. :^)
Stephen W. Worth
>it was a very refreshing break from most other newsgroups where
>flaming, obscene remarks, and obnoxious people ruined them.
This is not just a problem faced by rec.arts.disney. Flames, trolling
and other types of troublemaking have become common throughout the
newsgroups. There is a simple solution to it: ignore them and go back
to the useful discussions. If people wouldn't constantly reply to each
troll publically, we would see much less of it. If you really must
respond to juvinile pranks, take it to e-mail. If they're posting
annonymously, they probably won't listen to you anyway, so why bother
sharing your flame with everybody else by posting it to the whole
group. Better yet, if the post seems to violate "netiquette", cc a copy
to the postmaster at the service provider of the troublemaker, making
sure to include the message path information. E-mail address formatted
like this: <postmaster@service providers domain name> Doing this will
at least be energy spent in the right direction. If enough people complain
something might be done, and at least you've gotten the chance to get it
out of your system.
As for me, I really enjoy r.a.d. I think that the split groups are very
well considered and will go a long way to making the discussions of
all Disney topics more interesting and comprehensive. The "spirit of
rad" is not gone forever. Each one of us finds something of value here
or we wouldn't continue posting. Instead of complaining about
childish pranks, contribute your own two cents to the topics you
enjoy and ignore the rest. Make rad what you want it to be... Don't
waste effort mourning the "good-old-days" or responding to silly
posts. There isn't enough time in life for that sort of thing.
There's my two cents...
See ya
Steve
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Stephen W. Worth
(Winnie-the-Pooh) wrote:
>I for one voted for the split in an attempt to stop all of the
>"why don't we split this group" discussions. That is the only reason. I
>would prefer the group to be one, but it shouldn't hurt to have it split.
>And it was truly obnoxious to see flames every six months like clock work.
You must not have been following the discussions in news.groups this time.
The discussions and debate were both civil and very productive.
>Anyway, why don't we think of this as a type of call to arms. If all of
>us who still prefer the news group, and even those that love the MUCK but
>still occasion the news group, could put on our happy faces and work to
>bring back the spirit, maybe it would be contagious. :^) Gee, look at
>it this way - since the split passed, now we don't have to put "FDC" on
>all our posts anymore. :^)
The FDC was not a target of many flames this time around because of
their considerate tagging of their subject headers. I don't see any reason
why that should stop. It helps those who appreciate the role playing to
find the posts, and it helps those who don't appreciate it by making it
possible for them to skip past it.
>Oh well. I guess all I'm really trying to say is that I love this group.
>And, I am not willing to just give up on the group.
Bravo. That's the spirit!
Juan F. Lara
Jeffrey_W_Dehaan <j...@mhcnet.att.com> wrote:
>Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing.
>informative posts became less frequent. The comraderie was gone.
I'm very annoyed by the trolling that plagues r.a.d. lately, and by how
some threads like "lion on a rock" and "let's bash Disney again" have sometimes
become inflammatory. I want it to stop like all of us Disney fans want.
But I think people are using post-hoc reasoning: the flames seemingly
started after FDC left, therefore the flames were caused by the FDC leaving.
In reality, nobody in the FDC could physically stop a flame. The flaming that
has happened would've STILL happened if FDC was around. Rec.arts.disney and
Disney fandom in general is not mortally dependent on FDC.
I've been surfing the net since 1990, and I've been a Disney fan all of my
life. But because I was not interested in FDC I did not feel that I belonged
to r.a.d. R.A.D. did not seem as open as it should be. And I thought this
whole notion of r.a.d. being "the happiest place on the net" was hypocritical.
The arguments over FDC showed that you just had to scratch the surface and the
"happiest place" notion went up in a puff of smoke, and thinking that it
wouldn't was burying your head in the sand. Rec.arts.disney is more flame-
prone, but I feel that it also has become more open and interesting. I feel
more inclined to read r.a.d. than I did two years ago.
I'm just trying to make a counterpoint. I'm not trying to flame, and I
hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings.
- Juan F. Lara, #1 Gadget Hackwrench fan
"Come Along. You Belong. Feel the Fizz."
- Profound Wisdom from the Cola Cult
Matt Robinson
> holding some of Tink's pixie dust, here's a little smattering to try to
> perk up the place:
>
> * * * * * *
> * * * * * * *
> * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> There. How's that?
<Chaka sneezes and floats upward about 3 feet> Arg! Come back ground! help!
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| A wolf |Result of the 1948 anti-rabies |
| I considered myself |(wolf) campaign: 39960 cyanide guns|
| |106100 cyanide catridges, 628000 |
| But the owls are hooting |strychnine pellets. No record of |
| And the night |total wolf kills, 246800 coyotes |
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Virgilio 'Dean' B. Velasco Jr.
Stephen W. Worth <swo...@vintageip.com> wrote:
>In article <3uoikj$i...@hpuerci.atl.hp.com>, s...@atl.hp.com
>(Winnie-the-Pooh) wrote:
>
>>I for one voted for the split in an attempt to stop all of the
>>"why don't we split this group" discussions. That is the only reason. I
>>would prefer the group to be one, but it shouldn't hurt to have it split.
>>And it was truly obnoxious to see flames every six months like clock work.
>
>You must not have been following the discussions in news.groups this time.
>The discussions and debate were both civil and very productive.
The discussions on r.a.d. and related newsgroups, however,
were not. At least, not always.
>The FDC was not a target of many flames this time around because of
>their considerate tagging of their subject headers. I don't see any reason
>why that should stop. It helps those who appreciate the role playing to
>find the posts, and it helps those who don't appreciate it by making it
>possible for them to skip past it.
Actually, there were a couple who did target the FDC. They
did not do so with civility and tact. This contributed
greatly to the more obnoxious debates on r.a.d.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
graduate student slave, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabe
Wise men still seek Christ. | Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip?
And I shall shed my light over dark evil, for darkness cannot stand the light...
Ned Canepa
|> Once the FDC left, the spirit of this newsgroup left with them. The
Wi> You know, not everyone in the FDC has gone. I'm like you. I don't
I'm still here too!!
... ...Gawrsh !! .......hyuk...hyuk...Northern Cal's GOOFY
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Sherline Lee
entertained, and amused me so much these last three years.
So many people have come and gone, so many friendsihps were
discovered, fulfilled, and rekindled.
I have enjoyed the soap opera. The many parodies, budding romances,
and even the insights into many of r.a.d-er's lives.
We have grown beyond what many people would have expected.
I don't know why we have grown so much,...perhaps it is a reflection
of the changing environment of USENET, and the sheer number
of people who are joining the networked community. Perhaps
it is the quirky environment on this newsgroup alone. Or perhaps
it was that many more grew to love and hate all that Disney did
and represented. Who knows?
But now, it's time to move on. Rec.arts.disney will soon expire,
but be replaced by a family of rec.arts.disney groups.
Yes, it is the end of an 'era'. Welcome to the new
one!
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\|/ ,,,, \|/ Sherline Lee
~@-/ o@ \-@ sher...@nwu.edu
/_( \__/ )_\ http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/sherline/
\__U_/ One more year,...and then what?
Martin Parr
: In <DC2HG...@nntpa.cb.att.com> j...@mhcnet.att.com (Jeffrey_W_Dehaan)
: writes:
<snip>
: >Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing. Then
As a newbie here I want to say to all you FDC guys & gals
Pleeeeeese don't give up on the group / groups. As a 47 year
old kid I like the underlying spirit of the group which I
can still detect. I just hope the good carrys through to
the new (split) groups.
Stick around guys.
Mart.
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Matt Robinson
ma...@lindl.demon.co.uk "Martin Parr" writes:
> Bessey Cagdan (tigg...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : In <DC2HG...@nntpa.cb.att.com> j...@mhcnet.att.com (Jeffrey_W_Dehaan)
> : writes:
>
> <snip>
>
> : >Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing. Then
>
> As a newbie here I want to say to all you FDC guys & gals
> Pleeeeeese don't give up on the group / groups. As a 47 year
> old kid I like the underlying spirit of the group which I
> can still detect. I just hope the good carrys through to
> the new (split) groups.
>
> Stick around guys.
Hear hear, =) I just think that the FDC can still have (and still does) have a
lot of fun....what's a shame is that so many of us are defeatist...."oh they're
splitting the group, we're never gonna see each other again, we're doomed to a
life of total boredom, let's just start right now and bore everyone else" =)
Summer's here, splooshing should be plentiful, and NO MISERABLE SODS! =)
(It could be much much worse...I just got my phone-bill =)
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Hey look, that's 2 people from Herts I know! =) (the other one is in Welwyn
Garden City, like me)
Seeya all, and remember the show's not over until Mr. Eisner sings =)
Chaka
David Cleary
If we let the "bad guys" drive us out of town, they've won. To paraphrase
a quote, evil only flourishes when good people do nothing.
Rafiki in TLK said "Change is good." A wise monkey, IMHO. I didn't vote
for the split, but hey, let's all make the change work; we can do it if we
want to.
Let's create our own "good old days" to look back on later.
Dave
bill simmons
>
>
>
> Once the FDC left, the spirit of this newsgroup left with them. The
> "Welcome to the FDC or RAD" posts from King Louie. Information
> became less accurate. Splooshing turned to bashing/flaming.
>
>
Information has become grossly inaccurate. It's distessing, considering
the amount of books available - Frank and Ollie's, for example - that if
these people would just read, it would make a world of difference. Disney
was well documented and established long before the the newfound popularity
of films such as BatB, Aladdin, TLK and Poca. It's really sad. You're
right on target.
>
Wltr4
and my parents) at Pinocchio's Villagwe Haus in Fantasyland. However, he
believes it was called Pinocchio's palace. I told him that a palace had
nothing to do with Pinocchio, but my mom said I should post a message here
to find out if the restaurant was really called Pinocchio's Palace in
1985. My mom thinks he is right because she thinks kids remember details
better than adults. i said she crazy to thinks someone turning three
would remember something like that.
E-mail to Wl...@aol.com would be appreciated.
Thnx much in advance
Wltr4
E-mail me please.
Matt Robinson
s...@atl.hp.com "Winnie-the-Pooh" writes:
> In article <806351...@machine.demon.co.uk>, Matt Robinson
> <Ma...@machine.demon.co.uk> writes:
> |> <Chaka sneezes and floats upward about 3 feet> Arg! Come back ground! help!
>
> Now, that's the spirit. Don't you feel better already?
<Chaka struggles desperately in a vain attempt to stay on the ground> Well I
would if I didn't feel air-sick =)
Chaka/Matt
Pete Pelaez
>> : In <DC2HG...@nntpa.cb.att.com> j...@mhcnet.att.com
(Jeffrey_W_Dehaan)
>> : writes:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> : >Rec.arts.disney was different. It was fun. It was refreshing. Then
>>
>> As a newbie here I want to say to all you FDC guys & gals
>> Pleeeeeese don't give up on the group / groups. As a 47 year
>> old kid I like the underlying spirit of the group which I
>> can still detect. I just hope the good carrys through to
>> the new (split) groups.
Tig, please donna worry as this old duck will do his best to provide you
a proper platform for bouncing.<G> And as you well know, no matter where
they put us, you canna keep the "Dis" out of "noid" !
FDC Unca Scrooge "Gyro, is that football sized trampoline ready for
installation?"
Winnie-the-Pooh
Carol Rieger
of our entire 8 day stay.......
==========Wltr4, 7/25/95==========
naomi pardue
> Yes it is.....and not only did we have lousy service, the food was the worst
> of our entire 8 day stay.......
Hmmm... I thought the food was about the best we had in the parks. Not
great, but entirely edible. (Which is more than I could say for a few
other meals...)
Naomi
Amy Chang
Matt Robinson <Ma...@machine.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Seeya all, and remember the show's not over until Mr. Eisner sings =)
>
>Chaka
Oh, then the show will go on for a _real_ long time! :)
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