Disney's SONG OF THE SOUTH video USA COMPATIBLE!!
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User128909 <user1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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User128909
If it was a scam I would, but since it is not I won't
Mark L. Fendrick
> Then tell us, are these legal NTSC copies? Or are they duped from a UK
PAL
> video or a Japanese laser disc?
There aint no such thing as a "legal NTSC" copy!
SLB
them on a page where we can see them......then we can determine if it is a
legal copy......we all know what legal copies look like don't we???
thumper
Mr Shiny wrote in message <19990924200459...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>>If it was a scam I would, but since it is not I won't
>>
>
Mr Shiny
Mark L. Fendrick
SLB <dur...@cmaster.com> wrote in message news:7shg1d$f...@news.dx.net...
> And are they marked as disney copies??? why don't you scan them and put
> them on a page where we can see them......then we can determine if it is a
> legal copy......we all know what legal copies look like don't we???
Since there never was a legal NTSC video ... he can't scan it because it
doesn't exist!
I wonder how he would feel if this thread were forwarded to Disney's legal
department?
Bill Broderick
Mark L. Fendrick <mle...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> Since there never was a legal NTSC video ... he can't scan it because it
> doesn't exist!
>
I wouldn't go that far. Doesn't Japan use NTSC? There is a Japanese NTSC
Laserdisc. I find it hard to believe that they only released this on LD in
Japan. As anal as Disney is about Copy Protection on their video tapes in
the US, and the fact that they rerely (if ever) released a Laserdisc in the
US without having released the video tape version months earlier. They had
to have released an NTSC video tape in Japan.
However, I agree that whatever this guy is selling, is not legal in the US.
Unfortunately, we in the US think that we own the Internet, and forget that
it is an international medium. There are places in the world that what this
guy is doing is perfectly legal.
User128909
>Laserdisc. I find it hard to believe that they only released this on LD in
>Japan. As anal as Disney is about Copy Protection on their video tapes in
>the US, and the fact that they rerely (if ever) released a Laserdisc in the
>US without having released the video tape version months earlier. They had
>to have released an NTSC video tape in Japan.
>
>However, I agree that whatever this guy is selling, is not legal in the US.
>Unfortunately, we in the US think that we own the Internet, and forget that
>it is an international medium. There are places in the world that what this
>guy is doing is perfectly legal.
>
>
FINALLY!!! someone with comone sense and much more than half a brain
User128909
I can accomodate that as well
Original NTSC VHS video from Japan only 30,000 made movie is in English with
Japanese subtitles through the entire movie (this is not a copy of the Jap
Laserdisc, it has subtitles through the song portions of the movie only)
very expensive, much more than you can afford I am sure.
Because I might offer a bootleg does not make it a scam, a scam would be
something I offer that I cannot produce.
Moviezzz
copies of SONG OF THE SOUTH? It's a great Disney film and if Disney isn't
going to release it, why blame someone else for offering the film? How else
are people going to see it?
Yes, it is illegal, but the film should be out there.
The bottom line is Disney should release the film.
StevenV
> something I offer that I cannot produce.
No, but it does make it a violation of international copyright laws.
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:What I don't understand is why are people freaking out about someone selling
:copies of SONG OF THE SOUTH? It's a great Disney film and if Disney isn't
:going to release it, why blame someone else for offering the film? How else
:are people going to see it?
:
:Yes, it is illegal, but the film should be out there.
I would love to own this film, but it doesn't work that way.
:The bottom line is Disney should release the film.
Do you understand why it isn't?
Rşoşb
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ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
> What I don't understand is why are people freaking out about someone selling
> copies of SONG OF THE SOUTH? It's a great Disney film and if Disney isn't
> going to release it, why blame someone else for offering the film? How else
> are people going to see it?
> Yes, it is illegal, but the film should be out there.
> The bottom line is Disney should release the film.
::thunk thunk thunk::
Yeah, they *should* release the film, but in the US they've chosen to
*not* release the film. Which means that someone bootlegging whatever
source they have onto NTSC for sale to people in the US is illegal.
I can't believe the people who have absolutely no clue about copyright law
and intellectual property. Because they're the same ones who would be
screaming fit to beat the band if something of *theirs* was bootlegged and
they didn't get any financial renumeration from it.
Tirya
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Moviezzz
>*not* release the film. Which means that someone bootlegging whatever
>source they have onto NTSC for sale to people in the US is illegal.
>
>I can't believe the people who have absolutely no clue about copyright law
>and intellectual property. Because they're the same ones who would be
>screaming fit to beat the band if something of *theirs* was bootlegged and
>they didn't get any financial renumeration from it.
>
>
I know all about copyright law, but the thing is, Disney has stated they WON'T
release the film. So, how else are people going to see it? Would you rather
they not see it?
ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
If I want to see it, I can track down a *legal* copy of it from a source
where it has been released by Disney. I don't have to pay someone who is
breaking the law in order to see it.
If you know all about copyright law, why do you not care when it's broken?
Mr Shiny
>doesn't exist!
>
Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there was a Japanses VHS
issue. This would have been NTSC.
Dillon Pyron
> :copies of SONG OF THE SOUTH? It's a great Disney film and if Disney isn't
> :are people going to see it?
> :Yes, it is illegal, but the film should be out there.
Do you advocate breaking all laws, just because you disagree with them?
>
> I would love to own this film, but it doesn't work that way.
>
> :The bottom line is Disney should release the film.
>
> Do you understand why it isn't?
I don't understand, but that has more to do with my anger at "pc". Now,
as a Disney stockholder, I'm even more angered that he should be
pirating copyright material.
Disney should release the film, but until they do, I'll get by on my
memories of it.
>
> Rşoşb
> TDC Apprentice to Sorcerer Mickey & When-You-Wish-Upon-A-Star Future Imagineer
>
> Rob & Keith's Place: http://home.earthlink.net/~discoballs/index.html
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Moviezzz
>where it has been released by Disney. I don't have to pay someone who is
>breaking the law in order to see it.
Great. If you can find legal copies, that is the way that it should be seen.
But, I thought it had gone out of print. That was my argument. If there was
no LEGAL way to get it, paying someone for basically the time it takes to copy
the tape and for the blank tape and packaging isn't that bad. Yes, it is
illegal, but no ones buying a yacht with the money.
However, if we are discussing a pirating company, churning out tape after tape,
that is a whole other matter.
Moviezzz
>as a Disney stockholder, I'm even more angered that he should be
>pirating copyright material.
Well I'm a Disney stockholder too and a former cast member and I'm not all that
angry.
>
>Disney should release the film, but until they do, I'll get by on my
>memories of it.
But what about those that have never seen it and have no memories?
ParrotHead
>If you know all about copyright law, why do you not care when it's broken?
Tirya,
You're missing the logic here! If you can't accomplish what you
want to accomplish without breaking the law, then no problem--just go
right ahead and break it!
:P
I would love to have a copy of SotS. I hate that Disney won't
release it in the US. But despite this, I just can't convince myself
that it's okay to buy a pirated copy.
__________
ParrotHead
Counting down the days until my next Disney vacation (Nov. 27, 1999)
ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
> Great. If you can find legal copies, that is the way that it should be seen.
> But, I thought it had gone out of print. That was my argument.
No, your argument was that people should break the law in order to see the
movie, and to hell with Disney's intellectual property rights and
copyrights.
> If there was
> no LEGAL way to get it,
Hell, if there's no *legal* way to get it, I suppose I should just grow
marijuana in my back yard, too.
> paying someone for basically the time it takes to copy
> the tape and for the blank tape and packaging isn't that bad. Yes, it is
> illegal, but no ones buying a yacht with the money.
> However, if we are discussing a pirating company, churning out tape after tape,
> that is a whole other matter.
What, you think this AOL guy is doing this from the kindness of his heart?
He's churning out tape after tape - why do you think he's advertising?
How many tapes is "okay"? One? Five? Fifteen? Seventy?
People never cease to amaze me...
karl steinhoff
Mr Shiny wrote in message <19990927140353...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
Yes, I believe I saw it for sale at TDL when I visited there - either my '91
or my '94 trip. If they had taken VISA, I probably would have bought it.
kes
Moviezzz
>movie, and to hell with Disney's intellectual property rights and
>copyrights.
My argument was that all films should be available for the public to see. And
I'm not just talking about Disney.
>
>> If there was
>> no LEGAL way to get it,
>
>Hell, if there's no *legal* way to get it, I suppose I should just grow
>marijuana in my back yard, too.
That analogy doesn't work. Marijuana is illegal. Watching SONG OF THE SOUTH
isn't.
>> paying someone for basically the time it takes to copy
>> the tape and for the blank tape and packaging isn't that bad. Yes, it is
>> illegal, but no ones buying a yacht with the money.
>
>> However, if we are discussing a pirating company, churning out tape after
>tape,
>> that is a whole other matter.
>
>What, you think this AOL guy is doing this from the kindness of his heart?
>He's churning out tape after tape - why do you think he's advertising?
>
>How many tapes is "okay"? One? Five? Fifteen? Seventy?
I came late to the thread so I don't know what the guy was doing. But, if
someone has the film and makes a copy for someone and the buyer pays a small
fee to cover time and the tape, I don't see a problem. But, if someone is
doing it for profit, I am against that.
Mickey
an American VCR format. It is not illegal to copy your own tape as long as
you don't sell it or charge money to view it.
Mickeymomşoş
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Mr Shiny
That goes squarely against the ideas of intellectual property and copyright.
What you are saying is that the creator of a film should have no say about its
availability - that's just theft of property. They own those films. They are
their property to do with as they please.
>> If there was
>>> no LEGAL way to get it,
>>
>>Hell, if there's no *legal* way to get it, I suppose I should just grow
>>marijuana in my back yard, too.
>
>That analogy doesn't work. Marijuana is illegal. Watching SONG OF THE SOUTH
>isn't.
But buying an illegally made copy as well as making that copy is, so the
analogy stands.
Mr Shiny
>an American VCR format. It is not illegal to copy your own tape as long as
>you don't sell it or charge money to view
I think the PAL copies are now also out of print - but yes - that would be
legal. I wonder though if you could get a good copy, since the tape is
probably copy protected.
Moviezzz
>legal.
Why would that be legal? It is still making a copy.
But that is exactly the sort of thing I was referring to. I buy tapes that
have been converted from PAL. That was my whole argument with SONG OF THE
SOUTH. In order to see it, a copy has to be made.
ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
>>I think the PAL copies are now also out of print - but yes - that would be
>>legal.
> Why would that be legal? It is still making a copy.
If you bothered to read the post he was responding to, the scenario was
someone purchasing a PAL version of the movie and making a NTSC copy of it
*for themselves* so it would play in US VCRs. Not for resale, not for
"email me and I'll get you a copy".
> But that is exactly the sort of thing I was referring to. I buy tapes that
> have been converted from PAL. That was my whole argument with SONG OF THE
> SOUTH. In order to see it, a copy has to be made.
But do you buy the PAL tapes first? Are you making an NTSC copy of *your
own* PAL tape?
Moviezzz
>someone purchasing a PAL version of the movie and making a NTSC copy of it
>*for themselves* so it would play in US VCRs. Not for resale, not for
>"email me and I'll get you a copy".
If you had the ability to make a NTSC copy, then you would also have the
ability to watch it on television without making a copy. Multistandard VCR's
play PAL tapes on US
Mr Shiny
legal if it is for the use of the owner.
Moviezzz
>legal if it is for the use of the owner.
Yes, but you are PAYING for the service. They are making money off of the
copying of the tape.
User128909
Mickey
a tape you own- only to sell it or sell tickets to view it.
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Moviezzz wrote in message <19990929141727...@ng-fy1.aol.com>...
Brad Stephens
User128909 <user1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> You people have no life
ParrotHead
>My argument was that all films should be available for the public to see. And
>I'm not just talking about Disney.
Well, when YOU are the one paying for the production of the movies,
then you're more than welcome to make them available for the public to
see.
But while Disney is making them, they're the ones who get to call
the shots. It sucks that we can't buy SotS here in the states, but
that's the way our system works.
Mr Shiny
additional copy for the personal use of the owner) and recieving a fee. Just
as if you went into a copy shop and had a work that you had written and
copyrighted copied. They could refuse to make the copy if they fely it might
be violating "fair use" (e.g. you were lying to them and intended to distribute
the copy illegally).
The point is making a copy of a work you own for your own use is legal, no
matter what the means. Making a copy of a work and then selling the copy is
illegal.
So if you sell both a PAL original and an NTSC copy, you are acting legally.
If you are selling a copy made from an original that you retain, you are
breaking interational law as well as the law of the United States (no matter
where the sale occurs).
So what are you offering and is it legal?
Dean
Disney to release it or not. Live with it.
Dean
Moviezzz
>up to
>Disney to release it or not. Live with it.
>
>
Nothing to live with. I've got my own (LEGAL) copy of the film.
gzoo...@my-deja.com
know is or was available from Disney:
In the NTSC format, SOS has been published on Laserdisc in Hong-Kong
(no subtitles) and Japan (subtitles during the songs). Both versions
are out of print and at least the Japanese version is regularly
available on E-bay (200-300$...). Most bootleg copies are made from the
JP laserdisc, because it is relatively common and laserdisc has no copy
protection. A VHS tape (much rarer) also existed in Japan, and
presumably also in Hong-Kong.
In the PAL format (Europe, etc... ...won't play in a standard US VCR),
SOS was available as VHS in England. The film print used appear to be
of far better quality than the older JP transfer (but then it is VHS
and laserdisc is better...). Copies to the US system need transcoding,
which further degrades quality. Cassettes are copy protected, but the
transcoding removes the copy protection signal (that is normal for any
transcoding, technical reasons). A search on dejanews shows that people
were selling PAL cassettes together with a transcoded copy at some
time. I am not in a position to say if such a sale is legal.
In the PAL format but dubbed, SOS is still presently available in
France (Mélodie du sud) and Germany (Unkel Remus Wunderland). It may
also be available in Spain or Italy. All copies were put on the market
about at the same time, apparently, SOS stocks were depleted much
quicker in the UK than anywhere else...
Countries to check for a possible new release in English (like the DVD
that was announced and cancelled...) are JP and HK (NTSC), Australia,
South Africa and the UK (PAL). In other words: claims that Disney
"never released SOS" are unfounded, they did it on the whole Planet but
the US. ;-)
P.S: SOS is only an example. I hope all members of this newsgroup know
about Fantasia and the black centaurettes...
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