It's on page 32.
What is it? What is it? Tell us! Tell us!
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Is there really a reason given on page 32?
PENNENINC wrote:
> Yes folks, there really is a reason given on page 32. No foolin'. Check it
> out...
>
> Penn...@aol.com
Is it a secret? Can't tell the newsgroup? That's a pretty odd thing to act
covert about.
Andrew Heiz
"Lyman entered the strip as Jon's roommate and Odie's owner. Lyman's primary
function was to give Jon someone to talk to, a role that was gradually assumed
by Garfield. Though he reappeared briefly for Garfield's 10th anniversary
strip, Lyman's last regular appearance was in 1983."
And no, I'm not the publisher of the book. I'm a cartoonist, and have worked
with Jim on the strip for the past 12 years. Now you can answer a question for
me: Why are so many people so concerned about what happened to this character?
I think we suspected Jon and Lyman may have been more than friends.
I'm not trying to sell you a book here, honest. Just pop into your local
Barnes & Noble, and page through the thing as you gnaw away on your biscotti.
Anthony
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It's just odd that you put someone on there, and you rip him right off.
Why not bring him back? Don't you think that the strip itself would be
more diverse if we had more central human characters? And for goodness
sake, you just get rid of the guy. That's damn creepy - no reason no,
"hey, I'm off to my new job in TimBukToo, Algiers..." nothing at all
other than he just left.
You could've at least shut him off in a classy way, instead, he's just
gone. Besides, he was a different flavor than Jon, and he was funny.
Besides, Jon could use a human to talk to, since Garfield technically
doesn't talk (and all this mumbo-jumbo that Garfield is there for Jon to
talk to is bogus - how the hell do you have a conversation with a cat
that doesn't speak... after all, the jokes are built mostly around
actions and Garfield's thoughts, not Jon's conversations).
Just dismissing a character is uncool in a comic strip - yeah, it
happens, but at least in things liek FBOFW we can get reasons, or in
Gasoline Alley you get reasons... not in Garfield. God forbid you
appeared on it in the early days, 'cause you're destined to get kicked
out. Why the hell have the guy on there to begin with? Just to give
Jon Odie? That's a moronic reason. Jon could've picked up a stray and
gotten it all over with. Instead, here comes a character we all like,
and boom - elimination city.
Looks like Lyman got downsized by PAWS, Inc. before downsizing was "hip"
- maybe he should appear in Dilbert and complain. Than Lyman can go out
with Cathy. He could make a guest appearance on Sally Forth, but he
looks too different.
I say, bring him back! That's a bullcrap reason if I ever read one on
the infamous "page 32"... Lyman was axed because he ruined the ease of
the cookie cutter appearance Garfield now has. That's what it is - he
didn't have the large eyes necessary to qualify - they are eye
discriminant on Garfield, the bastards.
BRING BACK LYMAN! ESPRESSO RULES AND CLASSES SUCK!
OUT!
-GIL
PENNENINC wrote:
>
> Andrew,
> From page 32 of 20 YEARS AND STILL KICKING/GARFIELD'S 20TH ANNIVERSARY
> COLLECTION:
>
> "Lyman entered the strip as Jon's roommate and Odie's owner. Lyman's primary
> function was to give Jon someone to talk to, a role that was gradually assumed
> by Garfield. Though he reappeared briefly for Garfield's 10th anniversary
> strip, Lyman's last regular appearance was in 1983."
>
Lyman was "a different flavor" and "funny"? Didn't think he showed much
personality, and there was, wasn't that different from Jon's...
Thats what happens when you are better than the boss. Don't expect to
keep your job long.
Andrew Heiz
>Besides, Jon could use a human to talk to, since Garfield technically
>doesn't talk (and all this mumbo-jumbo that Garfield is there for Jon to
>talk to is bogus - how the hell do you have a conversation with a cat
>that doesn't speak... after all, the jokes are built mostly around
>actions and Garfield's thoughts, not Jon's conversations).
and... yet.. it seems to happen... or so the strip constantly
implies. Just another reason to dislike Garfield. The strip started
a FAST downhill slide years ago. It's far from the worst strip on the
comic pages. I still find it amusing.. maybe once every 3 months or
so. It *is* a phenomenally dull strip. A shadow of what it once,
ever so briefly, was.
Ray
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=o= I peeked at the book in my local bookstore:
Reason #4: He moved to San Francisco.
Now that's what I call a smoking gun! In fact, I live in San
Francisco, and I think I saw Lyman just the other day, walking
around that certain part of town we call The Castro.
<_Jym_>
> penn...@aol.com (PENNENINC) writes:
> >And no, I'm not the publisher of the book. I'm a cartoonist, and have worked
> >with Jim on the strip for the past 12 years. Now you can answer a
question for
> >me: Why are so many people so concerned about what happened to this
character?
>
> Because he had a rather unique character design, was a regular in the strip
> for a long while, and disappeared without any explanation.
>
And he left his dog.
Hank Gillette
Because he had a rather unique character design, was a regular in the strip
for a long while, and disappeared without any explanation.
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>> Because he had a rather unique character design, was a regular in the strip
>> for a long while, and disappeared without any explanation.
>>
>And he left his dog.
(Just to be cruel to dumb animals) If Odie was your dog,
would you have taken him with you when you left?
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Now that I'm reminded of this, I just thought of something
peculiar. I'm beginning to think the Garfield people just want to wipe
Lyman completely out of existence. Anyone remember the TV special "Here
Comes Garfield"? Wasn't there a flashback sequence which depicted how
Odie got brought into the household? If I recall, I didn't see Lyman
involved at all. So, now, technically and according to the TV specials,
Odie was never even Lyman's dog!
Lyman is victimized again,
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> > > >Now you can answer a question for
> > > >me: Why are so many people so concerned about what happened to this
> > > >character?
> > >
> > > Because he had a rather unique character design, was a regular in the
> > > strip for a long while, and disappeared without any explanation.
> >
> > And he left his dog.
>
> Now that I'm reminded of this, I just thought of something
> peculiar. I'm beginning to think the Garfield people just want to wipe
> Lyman completely out of existence. Anyone remember the TV special "Here
> Comes Garfield"? Wasn't there a flashback sequence which depicted how
> Odie got brought into the household? If I recall, I didn't see Lyman
> involved at all. So, now, technically and according to the TV specials,
> Odie was never even Lyman's dog!
This is all explained by "Crisis on Infinite Garfields."
The Golden Age Garfield (Earth-Garfield-2) had small circular eyes and was
owned by a cartoonist, whose friend Lyman owned Garfield's sidekick, a
black-eared dog. The Silver Age Garfield (Earth-Garfield-1) in contrast
has large oval eyes and is owned by a person of unclear employment who
also owns Garfield's sidekick, a brown-eared dog.
Lyman sacrificed himself to stop the plan of the Anti-Lasagna to destroy
the Garfield multiverse, although he was unable to save some alternate
realities (i.e. Earth-U.S. Acres, or its British counterpart,
Earth-Orson's Farm). In the new merged reality, the Golden Age Garfield
never existed, and characters have been subtlely altered (i.e. Nermal is
no longer owned by Jon's parents).
I hope that clears everything up. :-)
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Opinions are my own, and should not be construed as legal advice, etc.
Be assured that there are a lot of us out here who dearly love Garfield in
his present irascible form. The spider ambulance still does me in. I do
believe that Garfield has gradually evolved such that it's a bit more
meaningful for older readers. To some extent, it seems that Garfield is
aging a bit himself: the Garfield of yore wouldn't have poured his coffee
back into the pot no matter how bad the hallucinations were. Would he?
I was surprised to see him imbibe a bird this morning, though. He seems
to have made a series of elaborate pacts with the local house mice, whom
he was apparently contracted to control. But birds do drive cats crazy,
don't they?
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=o= Let's not forget the Bizarro Garfield, who was also known
by the name, "Bill the Cat."
<_Jym_>
> This is all explained by "Crisis on Infinite Garfields."
>
> The Golden Age Garfield (Earth-Garfield-2) had small circular eyes and was
> owned by a cartoonist, whose friend Lyman owned Garfield's sidekick, a
> black-eared dog. The Silver Age Garfield (Earth-Garfield-1) in contrast
> has large oval eyes and is owned by a person of unclear employment who
> also owns Garfield's sidekick, a brown-eared dog.
>
> Lyman sacrificed himself to stop the plan of the Anti-Lasagna to destroy
> the Garfield multiverse, although he was unable to save some alternate
> realities (i.e. Earth-U.S. Acres, or its British counterpart,
> Earth-Orson's Farm). In the new merged reality, the Golden Age Garfield
> never existed, and characters have been subtlely altered (i.e. Nermal is
> no longer owned by Jon's parents).
>
> I hope that clears everything up. :-)
>
But, in true modern-day retcon fashion, it probably *wouldn't* clear
everything up (ex.: Garfield keeps having chronological birthdays, yet Jon
seems permanently 30something-ish), hence: "Zero Garfield Hour" :-)
> It's just odd that you put someone on there, and you rip him right
> off.
> Why not bring him back? <cut for space>
>
> You could've at least shut him off in a classy way, instead, he's just
>
> gone. <cut for space>
>
> Just dismissing a character is uncool in a comic strip - yeah, it
> happens, but at least in things liek FBOFW we can get reasons, or in
> Gasoline Alley you get reasons... not in Garfield. God forbid you
> appeared on it in the early days, 'cause you're destined to get kicked
>
> out. Why the hell have the guy on there to begin with? <cut for
> space>
Many comic strips eliminate or add characters depending on how the comic
strip artist/writer feels the character is doing. Granted I often
wondered why Lyman was axed but I wondered the same thing about SEVERAL
characters on "Bloom County". Remember Milo's Uncle -- the one who
hunted liberals? How about Cutter John's first girlfriend, the school
teacher? Then there was that bear who often showed up in the
begining. Mostly we received no explaination as to why they left
except Cutter John's girlfriend who joined some radical organization.
Scott Adam's discussed dropping characters in his book "7 Years of
Highly Defective People". Bob the dinosaur has a wife and a kid named
Rex. Where are they? Scott explained that they were dropped because
they were not as interesting to write as Bob was. Whether or not they
show up again is in the air. Then there is Dilbert's first girlfriend
Liz. While I liked her, apparently I was in the minority. According
to Scott, she never clicked with him or with the readers. But here he
did give an explaination to her departure -- breakup.
The ultimate example of dropping characters is "Robotman",. When this
strip first launched, Robotman stayed with a family. Now Robotman
lives with a nerd. Since I've not read all of the strips between the
initial launch (recapped in the book "Robotman Takes Off" by Jim
Meddick) and the current strips, I don't know if it was explained. I
wrote Jim some time ago and only tonight received an automated reply.
His web page will be updated soon to include the history of the strip
and an explaination of what happened.
Bottom line is that when characters we like are dropped for whatever
reason it sucks. But the cartoonist have their reasons I guess and as
long as the strip's quality stays high I guess I can't complain.
> I say, bring him back! That's a bullcrap reason if I ever read one on
>
> the infamous "page 32"... Lyman was axed because he ruined the ease of
>
> the cookie cutter appearance Garfield now has. <cut>
One final note, the cookie cutter notation is more than an appearance.
Unfortunately this is why the strip suffers. Every year Garfield goes
on a diet, Jon gets mad about the mice, Garfield gets depressed about
his age, he climbs a tree and gets stuck, yadda, yadda, yadda. Two
words to Jim Davis and the crew who works on "Garfield" -- FRESH
MATERIAL!!! The only time Garfield is funny now is when he eats
birds. That's not enough!
I'm out of here gang!
Earl "AstroNerdBoy" Commander
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Couldn't they just trade with Cathy?
-David
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>Startling the yaks Hank_G...@smtp.svl.trw.com (Hank
>Gillette) wrote:
>
>>> Because he had a rather unique character design, was a regular in the strip
>>> for a long while, and disappeared without any explanation.
>>>
>>And he left his dog.
>
>(Just to be cruel to dumb animals) If Odie was your dog,
>would you have taken him with you when you left?
>
Maybe he moved into an apartment which didn't allow dogs? Better to leave
him with someone who wants hom and knows him than send him to the SPCA.
Bill in Vancouver
(delete EAT-SPAM-AND-DIE
from e-mail address to respond)
Hey, I could live with a few weeks of Cathy eating canaries.
jeff. but do you really want strip after strip
of Garfield trying on swimsuits?
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Now THAT was funny!
<_Jym_>
On 1998-03-06 AstroNerdBoy'smessageofThu,05Mar199823:11:40-0800 said:
>AstroNerdBoy <astron...@NO-SPAM.Please.pcisys.net> writes:
>>stuck, yadda, yadda, yadda. Two words to Jim Davis and the crew
>>who works on "Garfield" -- FRESH MATERIAL!!! The only time
>>Garfield is funny now is when he eats birds. That's not enough!
>Couldn't they just trade with Cathy?
Cathy's puppy is probably the only cartoon dog dumber than Odie.
Why not let Garfield play pranks on Snoopy and have that pesky Woodstock
for lunch (and his whole scout troop!)
Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
And in C&H, anyone remember Calvin's uncle, who was there for one
story, then vanished? That was explained because it was really
awkward for him to carry on conversations with Calvin's nameless
parents (that and he didn't add anything to the strip).
In Christ,
michael
or... cathy eats garfield, becomes distraught over all the fat and
calories she consumed, does her "arms raised/beads of sweat" pose, then
eventually bumps into jon... love at first sight. it's a perfect match
wouldn't you say?
then maybe the peanuts cast could trade a few birds to cathy for draft
picks and minor characters to be named later
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I miss Nermal.. the way Nermal anmoyed Garfield was classic comedy.
But of course, I might just be being arrogant when I say:
Bring all the old ones back!
-Gil
>Speaking of Lyman, what ever hapened to Nermal, Arlene, Pooky, and Jon's family
>on the farm? They are NEVER used anymore.
Well, I'm ONLY speaking of Lyman, but I happened to see a Garfield
treasury containing interviews with Jim Davis this weekend. In it, he comes
right out and says that the reason Lyman was in the strip was to provide
someone for Jon to talk to, but Garfield has usurped that role and therefore
Lyman is no longer needed.
I miss the wider range of characters too - they sure beat the endless
parade of nameless spiders and mice we've been seeing lately.
Maiko Covington
-Gil
Apparently Garfield is such a wonderful conversationalist that he can
take the place of them all!
Andrew Heiz