What happened to all the classy anime nowadays?
Gordon Waters
Well, to explain the subject:
I was just hanging out at the house the other day, and started watching some
old stuff I had around... started with Harlock (the first season),
watched part of Nausicaa again, and then, watched the Queen Millenia
movie (unsubbed)... and the question posed itself to me...
What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
Real drama and mood?
It seems that live action film is recovering a little of that "style and
grace" of years past... witness _Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein"_ for proof
of that... but what happened to the anime?
I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
_elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
had... What happened?
Tho, I have an idea of one reason why... unfortunately, these kind of things
are probably not cute enough (right, Peter? ^_^) to be popular anymore...
What a shame...
Regards,
Gordon.
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Keith Rhee
>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
>By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
>Real drama and mood?
Count on Miyazaki to produce great stuff; Heissen Tanuki Ponpoko (sp?)
should be due out soon.
Unfortunately, animators in Japan are literally starving. As several
sources confirm, the economy is doing great, but animation budgets
are getting cut back for the most part (with exceptions like Bandai's
Macross Plus).
>It seems that live action film is recovering a little of that "style and
>grace" of years past... witness _Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein"_ for proof
>of that... but what happened to the anime?
I haven't seen the movie Frankenstein yet, so I can't really say, but
some critics didn't mention the movie in THAT favorable a light.
And if you want classy stuff, well, it depends on your taste. I
personally find Giant Robo captures the viewer with that early anime
style flair while encorporating more modern elements. One hell of
a show IMO. And as for music, the soundtrack to Macross Plus is
also pretty classy.
>I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
>I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
>_elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
>Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
>had... What happened?
Budget cuts for the most part. People can't afford to go all out
anymore (except when Bandai feels like spending tons of money with
Macross Plus).
>Tho, I have an idea of one reason why... unfortunately, these kind of things
>are probably not cute enough (right, Peter? ^_^) to be popular anymore...
One of the reasons WoH failed in Japan, I hear - lack of cute
characters. Ah, the MTV and Sailor Moon generation...
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Matthew Alt
>From: qua...@netcom.com (Keith Rhee)
>Subject: Re: What happened to all the classy anime nowadays?
>Keywords: Queen Millenia, Nausicaa, Harlock, elegance...
>Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 00:17:32 GMT
>gwa...@crl.com (Gordon Waters) writes:
>>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
>>By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
>>Real drama and mood?
I agree with this and it's a sentiment I'm hearing more and more from fans
these days. Perhaps it's just a change in the audience's tastes.....perhaps
it's that I don't think the Japanese Animation industry--or perhaps, more
likely, the sponsors-- are taking anime as seriously as they used to. I used
to think it's just that I had "grown up," but it's not that--there really IS a
decline in "elegant,classy" anime productions these days.
> One of the reasons WoH failed in Japan, I hear - lack of cute
> characters. Ah, the MTV and Sailor Moon generation...
You can thank Bandai for not seeing other movies in the vein of "Honneamis."
Their bottom line is PROFIT, and WoH was not a profit directed show-- it was
ART. Bandai got cold feet about anything other than shows with hundreds of
mecha and cute characters after funding Honneamis........... It sickens me to
think of the Bandai execs sitting in their office after seeing Honneamis and
deciding it wasn't wasnt worth it based on TICKET SALES. Sorry if this sounds
like an anti-Bandai rant, but I really feel strongly about them..........
-Matt
Matthew Alt
>From: ega...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Haro-chan)
>Subject: Re: What happened to all the classy anime nowadays?
>Keywords: Queen Millenia, Nausicaa, Harlock, elegance...
> Heisei Tanuki Gassen Pon-Poko*
>*Here's a feeble translation attempt: The Tumultuous War of the
>Heisei-Era Racoon-Dogs. =P 'Told you it was feeble.
>Just being me,
>Egan Loo
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That's a tough one to do.......Another translation I saw was "Modern-day
Tanuki war goes tum-tum".......However, I think that's way too literal.I
think I'd just prefer "The Tumultous Tanuki War," or something similar......
just my 2 cents.
-Matt
Matthew Alt
>From: cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Macky Stingray)
>Subject: The Kawaii Fad (was Re: What happened to classy anime?)
>Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:26:36 GMT
>Keywords: Queen Millenia, Nausicaa, Harlock, elegance...
> Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
>next fad hits in a couple of years.
> They say "2 million japanese schoolgirls can't be wrong." I beg to differ. ;]
Don't bet on it. "Kawaii" is such an ingrained part of Japanese culture that
there's no chance of it ever fading away. Maybe it's genetic. :)
-Matt
Haro-chan
>I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
>I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
>_elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
>Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
>had... What happened?
Quite a bit. =P By the way, Omoide Poro-Poro (Only Yesterday) premiered
in July of 1991, so it falls in the "movies-made-in-the-last-few-years"
category.
Classy films since 1991? Here are some:
1992
Porco Rosso
Yawara!
1993
Mobile Police Patlabor 2 the Movie
Legend of the Galactic Heroes [2nd movie]
1994
Song of the Pear Tree (Ranyantsuurii no Uta)
Heisei Tanuki Gassen Pon-Poko*
The Near Future
Mononoke Hime
The video market is too diverse to list, but judging by your list, The
Cockpit should fit your tastes.
Enjoy! =)
*Here's a feeble translation attempt: The Tumultuous War of the
Heisei-Era Racoon-Dogs. =P 'Told you it was feeble.
Just being me,
Egan Loo
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Keith Rhee <qua...@netcom.com> wrote:
>gwa...@crl.com (Gordon Waters) writes:
>
>>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
>>By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
>>Real drama and mood?
>
> Count on Miyazaki to produce great stuff; Heissen Tanuki Ponpoko (sp?)
> should be due out soon.
This summer's Heisei Tanuki Gassen Pon-Poko was not a Miyazaki film, but it
was directed by his longtime Studio Ghibli collaborator, Isao Takahata.
Fortunately, Miyazaki is hard at work on his latest, Mononoke Hime. =D
Macky Stingray
>>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
>>By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
>>Real drama and mood?
They've been usurped by Usagi. ;]
>>I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
>>I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
>>_elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
>>Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
>>had... What happened?
>>Tho, I have an idea of one reason why... unfortunately, these kind of things
>>are probably not cute enough (right, Peter? ^_^) to be popular anymore...
> One of the reasons WoH failed in Japan, I hear - lack of cute
> characters. Ah, the MTV and Sailor Moon generation...
Don't lose faith yet. There's still Agitator and a few die-hard kawaii
non-fans out there. The forces of the kawaii invasion are vast and mighty,
but the rebel strongholds of the anime world will hold onto our classics
with the last of our strength!
Somewhere, someone has all the Miyazaki classics unMacek'd and
custom subtitled. (I'm getting there myself. I have Nausicaa, Laputa,
and Lupin III: CoC.) Keep distributing the tapes!
Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
next fad hits in a couple of years. Stuff like Nausicaa and Lupin, however,
will be around for many decades to come.
They say "2 million japanese schoolgirls can't be wrong." I beg to differ. ;]
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Keith Rhee
>This summer's Heisei Tanuki Gassen Pon-Poko was not a Miyazaki film, but it
>was directed by his longtime Studio Ghibli collaborator, Isao Takahata.
>Fortunately, Miyazaki is hard at work on his latest, Mononoke Hime. =D
Ok, I slipped, fine. Correction:
Count on Ghibli Studio to produce more classy anime, like Ponpoko.
Satisfied, Egan? ^_^
Keith Rhee
>That's a tough one to do.......Another translation I saw was "Modern-day
>Tanuki war goes tum-tum".......However, I think that's way too literal.I
>think I'd just prefer "The Tumultous Tanuki War," or something similar......
Hahaha, why not go all the way and say "The World Racoon-dog War!" ^_^
See! Racoons duke it out!
^_^ Back to your regular programming.
Keith Rhee
> They've been usurped by Usagi. ;]
No sh*t, Sherlock. ^_^; Just look at all those Newtype covers
with that girl.
> Don't lose faith yet. There's still Agitator and a few die-hard kawaii
>non-fans out there. The forces of the kawaii invasion are vast and mighty,
>but the rebel strongholds of the anime world will hold onto our classics
>with the last of our strength!
Maybe I'm giving in, I thought Tonde Burin was insanely funny. ^_^;
But I'd never rank that stuff as classy, though.
> Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
>next fad hits in a couple of years. Stuff like Nausicaa and Lupin, however,
>will be around for many decades to come.
Hey, but weren't those curvaceous babes in the Victory Gundam
"Shrike" team just cute? ^_^
> They say "2 million japanese schoolgirls can't be wrong." I beg to differ. ;]
Heh, Bandai is the one to blame here. First they dismiss Gainax'
efforts with Wings of Honneamise, then they start an all out outburst
of toy commercials with G Gundam and Sailor Moon (original? R? S?)
All those schoolgirls are being misled! Dasukette! ^_^
Keith Rhee
>Don't bet on it. "Kawaii" is such an ingrained part of Japanese culture that
>there's no chance of it ever fading away. Maybe it's genetic. :)
Yeah, when all the schoolgirls you meet in Japan keep tugging your
sleeve and say "kawaii," you wonder if they really mean it or if it's
just a habit with words. ^_^
Michael Studte
[chomp]
> I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
> I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
> _elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
> Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
> had... What happened?
Hey, Omohide Poroporo only came out a couple of years ago. It's not
that old yet.
Umi ga Kikoeru is a classic in my view.
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They went out of fashion, along with the giant robots.
But like with everything else, they'll come back.
>I thought about all the stuff I have seen made in the last few years, and
>I can't really think of anything that compares in the sheer _style_ and
>_elegance_ that those "classics", (Queen Millenia, Omohide Poro-poro,
>Arrividerci Yamato, Castle of Cagliostro, Galaxy Express 999, and so on)
>had... What happened?
Omohide Poroporo is only 3 years old or so. I notice how you conveniently
forgot to mention "Jubei Ninpucho" (sp?), "Patlabor 2", or "Hashire, Melos!"
>Tho, I have an idea of one reason why... unfortunately, these kind of things
>are probably not cute enough (right, Peter? ^_^) to be popular anymore...
Cute is in bigtime, which means that we can expect an anticute backlash
before the end of the decade.
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>In article <quattroC...@netcom.com>, Keith Rhee <qua...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>gwa...@crl.com (Gordon Waters) writes:
>>>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
>>>By that, I mean, where are all the Queen Millenias? Kitaro soundtracks?
>>>Real drama and mood?
> They've been usurped by Usagi. ;]
> Don't lose faith yet. There's still Agitator and a few die-hard kawaii
>non-fans out there. The forces of the kawaii invasion are vast and mighty,
>but the rebel strongholds of the anime world will hold onto our classics
>with the last of our strength!
Wait a minute! I never claimed to be anti-cute. Sera-Mun Opposition
and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
I've never said anything about cuteness. Besides, by Peter Evans'
standards, I probably fall in the "cute is good" camp (I disagree)
since I like Taiho and A!MG (try to convince me that neither Bell-chan
nor Skuld is cute :-) and Melaine.
> -Ben "MTV? Oh yeah, what channel is that again?" Cantrick
Hey, what happened to the other .sig?
Agitator, Sera-Mun Anti-Fan, neutral on the Cute issue, though
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Gerald Leung
Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>In article <3a5sps$t...@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, Macky Stingray <cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>> Don't lose faith yet. There's still Agitator and a few die-hard kawaii
>>non-fans out there. The forces of the kawaii invasion are vast and mighty,
>>but the rebel strongholds of the anime world will hold onto our classics
>>with the last of our strength!
I generally prefer utsukushii.
>Wait a minute! I never claimed to be anti-cute. Sera-Mun Opposition
>and anti-cute are two differnt things all together.
Hear, hear!
>I've never said anything about cuteness. Besides, by Peter Evans'
>standards, I probably fall in the "cute is good" camp (I disagree)
>since I like Taiho and A!MG (try to convince me that neither Bell-chan
>nor Skuld is cute :-) and Melaine.
Bell is more beautiful than cute. Skuld is cute. Sailor Senshi are
sickeningly cute (I can't handle sickeningly cute, or disgustingly
cute, or ...). Villgust was sickeningly cute (yet uncute, but, well,
whatever...). KOR's Hikary is sickeningly cute.
Opinion, opinion . . .
>> -Ben "MTV? Oh yeah, what channel is that again?" Cantrick
>Hey, what happened to the other .sig?
Hmm . . .
GL
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Hitoshi Doi
| cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Macky Stingray) writes:
|
| Maybe I'm giving in, I thought Tonde Burin was insanely funny. ^_^;
Finally some Buurin episodes are making it over there!
(Buurin HTML page not quite ready yet..)
| But I'd never rank that stuff as classy, though.
True. Buurin is just very funny and cute with a simple story.
For classy stuff with a great complex story, but with lots of
funny stuff, watch Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon is a classic! (^_^;)
| > Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
| >next fad hits in a couple of years. Stuff like Nausicaa and Lupin, however,
| >will be around for many decades to come.
Nausicaa and Lupin are old and ugly..
| Heh, Bandai is the one to blame here. First they dismiss Gainax'
| efforts with Wings of Honneamise, then they start an all out outburst
| of toy commercials with G Gundam and Sailor Moon (original? R? S?)
|
| All those schoolgirls are being misled! Dasukette! ^_^
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and mature audiences, watch American animation..
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>In article <3a31hm$c...@crl.crl.com>, Gordon Waters <gwa...@crl.com> wrote:
Have you tried watching Vampire Princess Miyu? It's quite
different and has a certain taste to it (no punt intended). I definitely
won't classified it as 'cute'. Battle Angel is pretty good, too.
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Maybe we of the anti-kawaii forces could pool our resources and
hire Lobo to take out some of the fixtures of the ultra-Kawaii
movvement (Like Sailor Moon, a.k.a. Usagi Tsukino, and the American
counterpart to her, Barney! :P). :) :) :) :)
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In article <3ac4bu$s...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, du...@u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) writes:
>Maybe we of the anti-kawaii forces could pool our resources and
>hire Lobo to take out some of the fixtures of the ultra-Kawaii
>movvement (Like Sailor Moon, a.k.a. Usagi Tsukino, and the American
>counterpart to her, Barney! :P). :) :) :) :)
>(Smileys added for the humor-impaired :)
I'd rather see Lobo team up with Usagi. He can stand some cuteness. He
takes care of those space dolphins... I wonder how many people would
simply be scared to death. :) Besides, if yah hired him, he'd kill her
and she'd just come back again. And they'd make a CD soundtrack for it.
And a movie. And a new show, Sailor Moon L? With the eventually inclusion
of Sailor Lobo! :)
BTW: Just as a strange question... which show has the most soundtracks and
image albums out?
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Ben Cantrick
Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>> Don't lose faith yet. There's still Agitator and a few die-hard kawaii
>>non-fans out there. The forces of the kawaii invasion are vast and mighty,
>>but the rebel strongholds of the anime world will hold onto our classics
>>with the last of our strength!
>Wait a minute! I never claimed to be anti-cute. Sera-Mun Opposition
>and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
>Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
Oop, sorry about that. Agitator does like cute, but not Sailor Moon.
Okay. I won't make blanket statements like that in the future. :]
And Madoka is not cute! Madoka is one of the violent goddesses in
the parthenon with Priss and Kei! Don't use the 'C' word on my goddess!! ;]
>> -Ben "MTV? Oh yeah, what channel is that again?" Cantrick
>Hey, what happened to the other .sig?
What, the Hillary Clinton and Warren's Kei one? That's on my news-reading
account at Nyx. Here at my home account I have a different sig.
-Ben
Ka-Ping Yee
Ben Cantrick <cant...@benji.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>In article <3aa0ma$f...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>,
>Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>>and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
>>Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
>
>the parthenon with Priss and Kei! Don't use the 'C' word on my goddess!! ;]
I don't think so. Perhaps my range of experience is too limited, but
Madoka is the only character i know of with such a great range of
personality: there is no question that she is sometimes extremely cute,
and yet other times violent, and other times sexy. She is unclassifiable.
Ping
Pei Lee
>In article <784896...@izumi.DIALix.oz.au>,
>Michael Studte <mst...@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>I think a news bit I saw once summed it up best (it was about Hello
>Kitty merchandise).
>
>"To the Japanese, it appears nothing can be 'too cute'."
:-D And this trend is slowly being passed out to the rest of
the world, it seems. (at least here at r.a.a.) ^_^
>I don't think "kawaii" is a fad. It's always been there. It's just
>that companies producing anime are really concentrating on the bottom
>line. Hence, all the show that are cute or have mecha.
>
>Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
>cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
>weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
>anything else?
Does Jojo count? That's the first one that comes to mind...
Maybe magic should be added to the requirement list? Wait. That'll make
MK Rayearth perfect for an anime; it's got all three. Cutes, mecha, and
magic!
*** Pei
John Dunkelburg
American animation?? Like Exo-Squad and Battletech?
Would you call Tiny Toons Adventures or Animaniacs animation
for "adult and mature audiences"? I think not.
Maybe Batman:The Animated Series or Gargoyles, but not for
what you're talking about, I think.
Richard Llewellyn
du...@u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) writes:
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>
>Maybe we of the anti-kawaii forces could pool our resources and
>hire Lobo to take out some of the fixtures of the ultra-Kawaii
>movvement (Like Sailor Moon, a.k.a. Usagi Tsukino, and the American
>counterpart to her, Barney! :P). :) :) :) :)
>(Smileys added for the humor-impaired :)
>
not _once_ heard of Barney stopping a large meteor from striking the
planet. ^_-
>
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Zarli Win
: Wait a minute! I never claimed to be anti-cute. Sera-Mun Opposition
: and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
: Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
Maybe an anti-overcute to the point of being annoying cult is
in order we could count SM and a certain Project A-Ko char among the
Anti-Christs. How's that sound?
: I've never said anything about cuteness. Besides, by Peter Evans'
: standards, I probably fall in the "cute is good" camp (I disagree)
: since I like Taiho and A!MG (try to convince me that neither Bell-chan
: nor Skuld is cute :-) and Melaine.
: > -Ben "MTV? Oh yeah, what channel is that again?" Cantrick
: Agitator, Sera-Mun Anti-Fan, neutral on the Cute issue, though
: #->
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: Maybe we of the anti-kawaii forces could pool our resources and
: hire Lobo to take out some of the fixtures of the ultra-Kawaii
: movvement (Like Sailor Moon, a.k.a. Usagi Tsukino, and the American
: counterpart to her, Barney! :P). :) :) :) :)
: (Smileys added for the humor-impaired :)
Personally I would prefer "Boris the Bear kills the over cute, anonying,
superpowered, giggling, sailor outfit wearing, girls from Japan."
Just a thought.
Michael Studte
In article <maalt.162...@students.wisc.edu> ma...@students.wisc.edu writes:
> > Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
> >next fad hits in a couple of years.
>
> > They say "2 million japanese schoolgirls can't be wrong." I beg to differ.
> ;]
>
> Don't bet on it. "Kawaii" is such an ingrained part of Japanese culture that
> there's no chance of it ever fading away. Maybe it's genetic. :)
More likely infectious than genetic, but it's definitely terminal.
I've caught it. ^_^ And I *LIKE* it!
IMO, Macross 7 is a failure except for Mireeta. Kawaii... ^_^
Michael Studte
In article <3adojd$8...@khepri.ics.uci.edu> ra...@ics.uci.edu writes:
> Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
> cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
> weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
> anything else?
Sazae-san... And I'll be darned if anything in Crayon Shinchan can be
called cute. Orange Road also wasn't really "cute".
Marmalade Boy is cute. Chacha is cute. Sailor Moon is cute. All three
are the only series I watch every episode of. ^_^
Roger P. Ang
>>> Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
>>>next fad hits in a couple of years.
>>Don't bet on it. "Kawaii" is such an ingrained part of Japanese culture that
>>there's no chance of it ever fading away. Maybe it's genetic. :)
>More likely infectious than genetic, but it's definitely terminal.
I think a news bit I saw once summed it up best (it was about Hello
Kitty merchandise).
"To the Japanese, it appears nothing can be 'too cute'."
I don't think "kawaii" is a fad. It's always been there. It's just
that companies producing anime are really concentrating on the bottom
line. Hence, all the show that are cute or have mecha.
Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
anything else?
Roger P. Ang (ra...@laputa.ics.uci.edu)
Irvine? Where's Irvine? Grad student at the
In the heart of the Orange Curtain. Dept. of Information & Computer Sci.
Oh no! The poor fool. Univ. of California, Irvine. USA
jpre...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>
>and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
>Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
That does it. I wasn't going to flame you, but let the record state that
you have provided just cause.
HOW DARE YOU CALL MADOKA-MEGAMI-SAMA _CUTE_ ????
YOU MUST BE ROASTED ALIVE FOR SUCH HERESY !!!!!!
Now that I've got that out of my system...
Even your one mistake is enough to suggest that you should be placed in
isolation, just in case terrminal stupidity could become contagious, but
you have compounded your error. I am not in the slightesta fan of cute,
just ask my opinion of Hikau-chan for proof of that, but the Sailor Senshi
_ARE_ cute. Don't confuse this with a good thing, just recognnize them for
the evil they represent.
I think that is enough on this topic.
>I've never said anything about cuteness. Besides, by Peter Evans'
>standards, I probably fall in the "cute is good" camp (I disagree)
>since I like Taiho and A!MG (try to convince me that neither Bell-chan
>nor Skuld is cute :-) and Melaine.
Why in the world would I want to. Bell-chan is too vacant not to be cute,
and Skuld is just so _kawaii_ when those evil bugs annoy her...
>Agitator, Sera-Mun Anti-Fan, neutral on the Cute issue, though
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>>Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
>>cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
>>weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
>>anything else?
What about Vampire Hunter D? Does the girl that D saves (forgot the
name) count as 'cute'? (She's not really much of a main character anyway...)
*Stiles
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Gerald> Opinion, opinion . . .
There's cute, and then there's disgustingly cute, and then there's
that's-so-sickeningly-sweet-I-need-an-insulin-booster-right-now! cute.
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>In article <3a31hm$c...@crl.crl.com>, Gordon Waters <gwa...@crl.com> wrote:
>>What ever happened to all the really _classy_, elegant anime these days?
<munch>
>Omohide Poroporo is only 3 years old or so. I notice how you conveniently
>forgot to mention "Jubei Ninpucho" (sp?), "Patlabor 2", or "Hashire, Melos!"
Oops... you guys are right about Porco Rosso, O-P-P, and such...
It's easy to get time perspective distorted... I tend to lump Porco
and Omohide in with Nausicaa and Laputa, even though they were done years
apart...
I've seen P-2, and Jubei Ninpucho; they just ain't quite the same, to me...
Patlabor 2 is one _masterpiece_ of a movie; in fact, it may be the
technical "pinnacle" I have seen in a while- it just isn't in the kinda
"elegant", arty style like Queen Millenia (OK, maybe I _am_ kind of
putting QM on a pedestal... it's just so da** _pretty_...and Kitaro did
such a stunning job on the movie soundtrack!)
There's just _something_ about those mid-years Matsumoto character
designs which really grows on me- proportion, shaping, whatever, I can't
quite put my finger on it, tho...
>>Tho, I have an idea of one reason why... unfortunately, these kind of things
>>are probably not cute enough (right, Peter? ^_^) to be popular anymore...
>Cute is in bigtime, which means that we can expect an anticute backlash
>before the end of the decade.
One only hopes so...
Don't get me wrong, tho- I can enjoy watching Tenchi, SMS, Prefectual
E.D.F., ICT, etc, and so on; there's no point in weeping and wailing and
gnashing of teeth... ^_^ about the "demise of good anime"; there's plenty
of good stuff to be found... it would just be nice to have Matsumoto or
someone pumping out something like Harlock or Queen Millenia now- a
series with classic-style heroes and heroines, lots of stuff to watch,
that's not 3 or 4 generations copied ^_^...
Regards,
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>Maybe we of the anti-kawaii forces could pool our resources and
>hire Lobo to take out some of the fixtures of the ultra-Kawaii
>movvement (Like Sailor Moon, a.k.a. Usagi Tsukino, and the American
>counterpart to her, Barney! :P). :) :) :) :)
>(Smileys added for the humor-impaired :)
Hey, Usagi may be kawaii, but Barney is _disgusting_.
Heck, he looks more like a purple blob than a dinosaur.
Jonathan M. Obien
On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Roger P. Ang wrote:
> Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
> cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
> weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
> anything else?
Should I say it? Should I? Should I? Heck, yeah!
Urotsukidoji (evil laugh in the background)
'Nuff said. :)
-Jonathan (the Chojin) @_@
John Dunkelburg
SAILOR LOBO!?! Are you nuts? Could you see Lobo in a sailor-fuku?
Besides, if he did attack Sailor Moon, it'd probably be when the Sailors
were in battle against the MOE (Monster Of the Episode). The MOE
wouldn't stand a chance, and then he'd take out SM and friends.
Just don't stiff his bill, or you could be next! :) :)
The Dunk
Keith Rhee
>Maybe an anti-overcute to the point of being annoying cult is
>in order we could count SM and a certain Project A-Ko char among the
>Anti-Christs. How's that sound?
Die, C-ko, Die! >:) *NOT Mr. Bobby Beaver*
Castellan
>>
>>Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
>>cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
>>weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
>>anything else?
Porco Rosso?
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world tour but will be playing several US dates. As to the anime, most
of the stuff you mention was pre-OVA age, ie. pre-home video. That has
effectively destroyed most chances to produce that classy stuff. Today
it's the lowest common denominator though there are some classy stuff
yet like Giant Robo, Miyazaki's later works, etc. And no, I don't
consider the "trendy" stuff (like Sailor Moon) to be classy. It'll all
be forgotten in 5 years anyway...
Matthew Alt
>From: mic...@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
>Subject: The Kawaii Fad (was Re: What happened to classy anim
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:06:07 GMT
>Sazae-san... And I'll be darned if anything in Crayon Shinchan can be
>called cute. Orange Road also wasn't really "cute".
I'm sorry, but Shinchan falls under the "kawaii" umbrella............. It
might not be in-your-face C-ko-esque kawaii, but the little bugger's
cute.......
-Matt
Daniel Sifrit
: >I don't think "kawaii" is a fad. It's always been there. It's just
: >that companies producing anime are really concentrating on the bottom
: >line. Hence, all the show that are cute or have mecha.
: >
: >Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
: >cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
: >weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
: >anything else?
Wicked City? (and no, Maki does not come across as "cute") Area 88?
(an F-20 Tigershark is not really Mecca....)
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In article <3ak4de$s...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, du...@u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) writes:
>SAILOR LOBO!?! Are you nuts? Could you see Lobo in a sailor-fuku?
Heh, I've drawn pictures of Sailor Cthulhu, and tried for the other
great old ones. Sailor Lobo would be even easier to see in a sailor-fuku,
considering that a lot of the Great Old Ones didn't even have remotely
human forms, and some were never even fully described.
Do you realize how hard it was to put a sailor suit on Hastur? On Cthuga?
Shub-Niggurath? And as for putting that tuxedo and mask on Yog-Sottoth?
But yes, I can picture Lobo in a Sailor suit. You could too, just imagine
him getting REALLY smashed the night before. :)
>Besides, if he did attack Sailor Moon, it'd probably be when the Sailors
>were in battle against the MOE (Monster Of the Episode). The MOE
>wouldn't stand a chance, and then he'd take out SM and friends.
>Just don't stiff his bill, or you could be next! :) :)
Yah, but you know the Sailor Senshi would be back at least by next
episode. Which would be the perfect time to work on drafting Lobo to
join their ranks.
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Zarli Win
: cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
: weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
: anything else?
If you don't count spaceships as mecha ( I don't) Legened of the
Galactic Heroes.
SUper Natural Beat City
Jonathan M. Obien
On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Joseph L Petrow wrote:
> In article <Pine.3.89.9411182308.E5240-0100000@hal>, you write:
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Roger P. Ang wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
> > > cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
> >
> > Should I say it? Should I? Should I? Heck, yeah!
> >
> > Urotsukidoji (evil laugh in the background)
> >
>
> You don't consider Akemi 'cutesy'?
>
In a way, she is but not in the same league as the other characters
mentioned in this thread. I'll be more likely to call her "pretty"
(although I wish she gets rid of those pigtails) than "cute". Or is it
the pigtails that make her look cute?
Also, I consider her character as part of the supporting cast.
-Jonathan (the Chojin) @_@
Elizabeth Horn
of anime the most) are mature dramas such as ONLY YESTERDAY, PATLABOR
2, and, uh, what's the name of that film--oh, yeah, THE WINGS OF
HONNEAMISE--I had that crush with eyeliner when I first saw Urusei
Yatsura at 14; I didn't understand the show (for trivia buffs, the
episode was "Memory Is A Lum Doll") and everything was so weird, I
thought the whole thing was some kind of dream sequence--but I knew I
wanted to see more of the girl in the tiger-skin bikini. The ability
to obliterate a planet is insignificant compared with the power of the
kawaii.
--Carl "Keep it off my wave" Horn
Profess'nal Agitator
>In article <784896...@izumi.DIALix.oz.au>, Michael Studte <mst...@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>More likely infectious than genetic, but it's definitely terminal.
>"To the Japanese, it appears nothing can be 'too cute'."
>I don't think "kawaii" is a fad. It's always been there. It's just
>that companies producing anime are really concentrating on the bottom
>line. Hence, all the show that are cute or have mecha.
>Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
>cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
>weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
>anything else?
Yotoden. Kyuuketsuki Miyu. Spirit of Wonder.
Is Pai cute?
Is the Mehve a mecha? Roadbuster?
Are all war machines mecha?
Possible answers then become:
Sazan Eyes, Nausicaa, Majo no Takkyubin, Riding Bean, Area 88, The
Cockpit, Legend of Galactic Heroes, and a large quantity of Lupin
(Fujiko is too mature to qualify as "cute".)
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>In article <3aa0ma$f...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>, Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>>Wait a minute! I never claimed to be anti-cute. Sera-Mun Opposition
>>and anti-cute are two differnt things all together. For one, the Sera
>>Senshi are*n't* cute. For two, Madoka is. :-)
> And Madoka is not cute! Madoka is one of the violent goddesses in
>the parthenon with Priss and Kei! Don't use the 'C' word on my goddess!! ;]
Madoka is very cute. Just not magical girls cute.
>>Hey, what happened to the other .sig?
> What, the Hillary Clinton and Warren's Kei one? That's on my news-reading
>account at Nyx. Here at my home account I have a different sig.
No, silly. The BGC "because some people appreciate women over twelve"
.sig. Stay topical! Why would I ask about President Hillary?
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In article <Pine.3.89.9411182308.E5240-0100000@hal> ani...@solaris.cc.vt.edu writes:
> > Hey, there's a good question. Name any anime without mecha or a
> > cutesy main character. I'd say Honnemaise is one (though all the
> > weird planes and military stuff has that mecha-like interest), but
> > anything else?
>
>
> Should I say it? Should I? Should I? Heck, yeah!
>
> Urotsukidoji (evil laugh in the background)
>
> 'Nuff said. :)
No, sorry, I think Megumi is VERY cute!
Keith J. Davey
: In article <quattroC...@netcom.com>, qua...@netcom.com (Keith Rhee) writes:
: | cant...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Macky Stingray) writes:
: |
: | Maybe I'm giving in, I thought Tonde Burin was insanely funny. ^_^;
: Finally some Buurin episodes are making it over there!
: (Buurin HTML page not quite ready yet..)
: | But I'd never rank that stuff as classy, though.
: True. Buurin is just very funny and cute with a simple story.
: For classy stuff with a great complex story, but with lots of
: funny stuff, watch Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon is a classic! (^_^;)
: | > Kawaii is the latest fad, and it will fade into the background as the
: | >next fad hits in a couple of years. Stuff like Nausicaa and Lupin, however,
: | >will be around for many decades to come.
: Nausicaa and Lupin are old and ugly..
: | Heh, Bandai is the one to blame here. First they dismiss Gainax'
: | efforts with Wings of Honneamise, then they start an all out outburst
: | of toy commercials with G Gundam and Sailor Moon (original? R? S?)
: |
: | All those schoolgirls are being misled! Dasukette! ^_^
: Japanese animation is for kids. If you want anime for adults
: and mature audiences, watch American animation..
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Ben Cantrick
Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>In article <3ab77v$8...@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, Ben Cantrick <cant...@benji.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>> And Madoka is not cute! Madoka is one of the violent goddesses in
>>the parthenon with Priss and Kei! Don't use the 'C' word on my goddess!! ;]
>Madoka is very cute. Just not magical girls cute.
Ehhh, whatever. I'll give up on trying to force my definition of cute on
people. I consider Nene cute, but not completely. Madoka doesn't seem like
Nene or anything like the SM types, so I don't associate Madoka with cute.
>No, silly. The BGC "because some people appreciate women over twelve"
>.sig. Stay topical! Why would I ask about President Hillary?
Oh yeah, I should put that back in. It was a pretty good sig. Maybe
I'll go change the Nyx one...
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Daniel> Wicked City? (and no, Maki does not come across as "cute") Area
Daniel> 88? (an F-20 Tigershark is not really Mecca....)
Nope; Mecca is the Arab holy city :).
But if you mean mecha, then sure it is. "Mecha" = "mechanics" = "any
mechanical devices." That's the definition of the word.
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: In article <3au0cv$n...@news-2.csn.net>,
: Keith J. Davey <kda...@oldcolo.com> wrote:
: >Hitoshi Doi (to...@win.or.jp) wrote:
: >: Japanese animation is for kids. If you want anime for adults
: >: and mature audiences, watch American animation..
: >: --
: >: Hitoshi Doi, Toshi Nibunnoichi d...@tcp.com
: >: half a UFO catcher doll, half a cel 801 tactical training squadron
: >: http://www.tcp.com/doi/doi.html to...@win.or.jp
: >This person is truly demented.....
: He's kidding! ^_^
Just because he's kidding does not mean he's not demmented.)
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Michael Studte <mst...@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>Sazae-san... And I'll be darned if anything in Crayon Shinchan can be
>called cute.
What about that little chick? (Shin-chan thought his mother was going
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Profess'nal Agitator <agit...@kaiwan.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>Sazan Eyes, Nausicaa, Majo no Takkyubin, Riding Bean, Area 88, The
^^^ Teto, ^^^ Jiji are Kawaii.
>Cockpit, Legend of Galactic Heroes, and a large quantity of Lupin
>(Fujiko is too mature to qualify as "cute".)
Gerald Leung
>Gerald Leung (ger...@parker.EECS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: Keith J. Davey <kda...@oldcolo.com> wrote:
>: >Hitoshi Doi (to...@win.or.jp) wrote:
>: >: Japanese animation is for kids. If you want anime for adults
>: >: and mature audiences, watch American animation..
>: >This person is truly demented.....
>: He's kidding! ^_^
>Just because he's kidding does not mean he's not demmented.)
Uhh...yes, but just because he's kidding doesn't mean that he IS
(haha...gotcha there).
So, WHAT exactly is it that makes him demented? ^_^
GL
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Paul England
> Sazae-san... And I'll be darned if anything in Crayon Shinchan can be
Oh come on! You don't think Mr. Elephant is cute?
> Marmalade Boy is cute. Chacha is cute. Sailor Moon is cute. All three
> are the only series I watch every episode of. ^_^
Ouch! I'm so sorry. :) JK -- it's a matter of taste. What I've seen of
M. Boy isn't too bad. Not as cute as Chacha or SM, so I can atleast
stomach it.
Paul
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