Evangelion: Question about this scene..
Rogue Noir
water and she seems pretty depressed.. then a shadow of a man shows up at
the right.. who is that man? I'm guessing Kaji.. Note that this isn't in
Misato's bathroom.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
>Date: 9/6/2003 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Don't you mean Kaji's ghost? ; )
Seriously, just some Nerv guy come collectin' . . .
What *I* want to know is . . . just how long is she suppossed to have been in
the tub? (I know she's been missing for a week; she also obviously hadn't
eaten) Long enough to lose control of body functions (or just not care) as to
make it a lot more than "dirt" in the water?
- Vaughner
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It was a Nerv black-suit, of sorts. Just the security type agents. They were
sent out to find her when she disappeared.
--Taryn
Allan Matthews
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Asuka had hidden herself away in the ruins of Tokyo 3.
It was Section 2 that found her and brought her back, not Kaji.
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zedizdead
to be in in the basically suicidal state we see her in in this scene,
was finding out (from Shinji) that Kaji is dead. Apparently Asuka
really was in love with Kaji, and the news of his death (on top of
everything else that has happened to her) puts her into a tailspin of
despair that damn near kills her. She's in that bathtub somewhere in
the ruins of Tokyo 3 because she pretty much has sought a hole in
which to crawl away and die. The NERV security guys find her and take
her to hospital, but she is so far gone that she ends up in a coma,
which is her status at the start of EoE...
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
If I had to guess, it's probably goat.
Laters. =)
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Daniel Rudy
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Episode 24. The mas is a section 2 agent, intelligence or security
which is similar to the CIA.
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Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
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>If I had to guess, it's probably goat.
Which explains why Asuka was completely catatonic when they brought
her back... ^_^
Wonder if there's ever been a hentai doujin exploring exactly what the
NERV guys did with Asuka when they located her?
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I bet it was Unicron, he digs girls with bad attitudes.
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Pharsti
Did anyone else ever notice that the water she's lying in is red?
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bsl/bath.jpg
I always assumed she slit her wrist in that scene. Why else would the
Nerv agents choose that time to come crashing in? Since in ep. 23,
Gendo gave the order to just watch the Children but not take any
action, and I doubt they'd actually lose track of her for an entire
week. To support that, in the hospital at the beginning of EoE,
Asuka's left wrist is bandaged...
zedizdead
didn't make that connection... Oh, well, that's the beauty of EVA;
always something new to learn or figure out!
Daniel Rudy
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> csf...@mac.com (zedizdead) wrote in message news:<cf1e5c98.0309...@posting.google.com>...
>
>>"Rogue Noir" <Ro...@Noir.com> wrote in message news:<yUq6b.11811$U%4....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
>>
>>>I've been puzzled by this scene where Asuka is in this bathtub with dirty
>>>water and she seems pretty depressed.. then a shadow of a man shows up at
>>>the right.. who is that man? I'm guessing Kaji.. Note that this isn't in
>>>Misato's bathroom.
>>
>>In the Director's Cut of ep24, it is made clear that what caused Asuka
>>to be in in the basically suicidal state we see her in in this scene,
>>was finding out (from Shinji) that Kaji is dead. Apparently Asuka
>>really was in love with Kaji, and the news of his death (on top of
>>everything else that has happened to her) puts her into a tailspin of
>>despair that damn near kills her. She's in that bathtub somewhere in
>>the ruins of Tokyo 3 because she pretty much has sought a hole in
>>which to crawl away and die. The NERV security guys find her and take
>>her to hospital, but she is so far gone that she ends up in a coma,
>>which is her status at the start of EoE...
>
>
> Did anyone else ever notice that the water she's lying in is red?
>
> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bsl/bath.jpg
Actually, that looks like the bottom of the tub. The actual water
around her legs is a brownish color when compared to her skin color.
> I always assumed she slit her wrist in that scene. Why else would the
> Nerv agents choose that time to come crashing in? Since in ep. 23,
> Gendo gave the order to just watch the Children but not take any
> action, and I doubt they'd actually lose track of her for an entire
> week. To support that, in the hospital at the beginning of EoE,
> Asuka's left wrist is bandaged...
Didn't notice that. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't...I need to look
myself, but what arm is the IV in? Standard hospital procedure is to
usually banage the area where the IV is, and that it is usually right
around the wrist.
Daniel Rudy
listened as Psaiyan Prince Vegeta contributed this to humanity:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:57:27 -0400, "S.t.A.n.L.e.E"
> <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>>If I had to guess, it's probably goat.
>
>
> Which explains why Asuka was completely catatonic when they brought
> her back... ^_^
>
> Wonder if there's ever been a hentai doujin exploring exactly what the
> NERV guys did with Asuka when they located her?
Oh you perverted individual you... ;-)
Daniel Rudy
listened as Daniel Rudy contributed this to humanity:
Sorry about replying to my own post, but I just reviewed the infamous
room 303 scene in EoE. Only 1 wrist is bandaged, and on the blowup, I
can clearly (blurry) see that the side that is bandaged is the one with
the IV. In fact, I can see the IV going into the bandages.
Pharsti
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> Somewhere around the time of 09/07/2003 03:18, the world stopped and
> listened as Pharsti contributed this to humanity:
>
>> csf...@mac.com (zedizdead) wrote in message
>> news:<cf1e5c98.0309...@posting.google.com>...
>>
>>>"Rogue Noir" <Ro...@Noir.com> wrote in message
>>>news:<yUq6b.11811$U%4....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
>>>
>>>>I've been puzzled by this scene where Asuka is in this bathtub with
>>>>dirty water and she seems pretty depressed.. then a shadow of a man
>>>>shows up at the right.. who is that man? I'm guessing Kaji.. Note
>>>>that this isn't in Misato's bathroom.
>>>
>>>In the Director's Cut of ep24, it is made clear that what caused
>>>Asuka to be in in the basically suicidal state we see her in in this
>>>scene, was finding out (from Shinji) that Kaji is dead. Apparently
>>>Asuka really was in love with Kaji, and the news of his death (on top
>>>of everything else that has happened to her) puts her into a tailspin
>>>of despair that damn near kills her. She's in that bathtub somewhere
>>>in the ruins of Tokyo 3 because she pretty much has sought a hole in
>>>which to crawl away and die. The NERV security guys find her and
>>>take her to hospital, but she is so far gone that she ends up in a
>>>coma, which is her status at the start of EoE...
>>
>>
>> Did anyone else ever notice that the water she's lying in is red?
>>
>> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bsl/bath.jpg
>
> Actually, that looks like the bottom of the tub. The actual water
> around her legs is a brownish color when compared to her skin color.
Looking closely, I can see that too, but why on earth would the bottom of a
tub be red? I forgot to mention though that this is only visible in the DC
version of the episode, the scene was a lot darker in the original series,
and there wasn't any red visible. So why would they change it and make it a
red color, just to confuse us?
>> I always assumed she slit her wrist in that scene. Why else would the
>> Nerv agents choose that time to come crashing in? Since in ep. 23,
>> Gendo gave the order to just watch the Children but not take any
>> action, and I doubt they'd actually lose track of her for an entire
>> week. To support that, in the hospital at the beginning of EoE,
>> Asuka's left wrist is bandaged...
>
> Didn't notice that. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't...I need to look
> myself, but what arm is the IV in? Standard hospital procedure is to
> usually banage the area where the IV is, and that it is usually right
> around the wrist.
Well I have no medical knowledge whatsoever, so I take it you're right. But
then wouldn't it be possible that the bandage is serving a double purpose?
zedizdead
you might find the response interesting:
http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115509
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>I brought up this topic on my usual hangout, Anime Nation's EVA forum;
>you might find the response interesting:
>http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115509
Amazing! Someone suggested a new theory and was not shouted down or
called a 'tosser' by people who think they know everything about the
series...
Wonders never cease. ^_^
Lord Craxton
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> On 8 Sep 2003 13:19:57 -0700, csf...@mac.com (zedizdead) wrote:
>
> >I brought up this topic on my usual hangout, Anime Nation's EVA forum;
> >you might find the response interesting:
> >http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115509
>
> Amazing! Someone suggested a new theory and was not shouted down or
> called a 'tosser' by people who think they know everything about the
> series...
>
> Wonders never cease. ^_^
"Tosser"? 0_o;;;;;;;
-Lord Craxton
5parrow
>>Amazing! Someone suggested a new theory and was not shouted down or
>>called a 'tosser' by people who think they know everything about the
>>series...
>>Wonders never cease. ^_^
> "Tosser"? 0_o;;;;;;;
Tosser. n. A category of human beings, usu. male, which includes but is
not limited to (1) goat and (2) the set of otaku who own "unofficial"
dakimakura of female anime characters.
- 5parrow
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
What about those of us who own (or in my case, would love to own)
*official* dakimakura such as this?
http://www.gainax.co.jp/goods/makura/index.html
Drizzle
also called wankers (people who wank or masturbate)
may also refer to people who litter. (discard rubbish in the wrong place etc)
could have other meanings but there the ones I've encountered.
Rudolf Polzer
How did you come to the conclusion that these two sets are disjoint?
5parrow
Where is it stated in the above definition that the two sets are
disjoint? I simply cannot confirm that one is a subset of the other
(although I would ascribe a high probability to that particular
configuration). ;)
- 5parrow
Sakaki
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> Daniel Rudy <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote in
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>>>
>>> Did anyone else ever notice that the water she's lying in is red?
>>>
>>> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bsl/bath.jpg
>>
>> Actually, that looks like the bottom of the tub. The actual water
>> around her legs is a brownish color when compared to her skin color.
>
> Looking closely, I can see that too, but why on earth would the bottom
> of a tub be red? I forgot to mention though that this is only visible
> in the DC version of the episode, the scene was a lot darker in the
> original series, and there wasn't any red visible. So why would they
> change it and make it a red color, just to confuse us?
Rust. It is a metal tub, most likely cast iron, and the building it is in
has no roof. So it has been exposed to the elements, quite likely for some
time, and rain water sitting in the bottom of the tub over time would cause
it to rust.
Frank White
Sakaki
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Possibly; but the question was why would a tub bottom be red, rust would
do that, blood would make the water red not the bottom. Unless it was
old blood left to dry there, but that would be more brown than red. ;)
Vaughn L.Porter
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Again, the question remains as to how long Asuka had been sitting there in
the tub, and just what her method of suicide was. Without any timeframe, we
can't really say if she had slit her wrists, or was just going to die of
exposure and starvation. Again, yet another of Anno's attempts to make folks
like us debate 'till we're blue in the face.
Vaughn L. Porter
We need proof, not leads!
Joe AOL
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>> fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White) wrote in
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>> > In article <Xns93F6E7E67208...@204.127.199.17>,
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>> >>Pharsti <phar...@coldmail.com> wrote in
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>> >>> Daniel Rudy <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote in
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>> Did anyone else ever notice that the water she's lying in is red?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/bsl/bath.jpg
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Actually, that looks like the bottom of the tub. The actual water
>> >>>> around her legs is a brownish color when compared to her skin
>> >>>> color.
>> >>>
>> >>> Looking closely, I can see that too, but why on earth would the
>> >>> bottom of a tub be red? I forgot to mention though that this is
>> >>> only visible in the DC version of the episode, the scene was a lot
>> >>> darker in the original series, and there wasn't any red visible. So
>> >>> why would they change it and make it a red color, just to confuse
>> >>> us?
>> >>
>> > Blood makes more sense...
>> >
>> > FW
>> >
>> >
>> Possibly; but the question was why would a tub bottom be red, rust
>> would do that, blood would make the water red not the bottom. Unless it
>> was old blood left to dry there, but that would be more brown than red.
>> ;)
>>
>>
> Again, the question remains as to how long Asuka had been sitting there
> in the tub, and just what her method of suicide was. Without any
> timeframe, we can't really say if she had slit her wrists, or was just
> going to die of exposure and starvation. Again, yet another of Anno's
> attempts to make folks like us debate 'till we're blue in the face.
>
> Vaughn L. Porter
> We need proof, not leads!
Anyone seen the Godfather pt II? The red stuff was blood, Asuka had slit
her wrists and was bleeding to death in the tub. It didn't turn all the water
red because blood is heavier than water and would sink to the
bottom.
At least, that's my take.
JA
David Watson
>> Again, the question remains as to how long Asuka had been sitting there
>> in the tub, and just what her method of suicide was. Without any
>> timeframe, we can't really say if she had slit her wrists, or was just
>> going to die of exposure and starvation. Again, yet another of Anno's
>> attempts to make folks like us debate 'till we're blue in the face.
> her wrists and was bleeding to death in the tub. It didn't turn all the water
> red because blood is heavier than water and would sink to the
> bottom.
>
> At least, that's my take.
IIRC, according to a post here a long time ago, in that scene in the Death
& Rebirth movie, the water is not very dark compared to the same one in
the TV episode. So I reckon that the water was dark strictly because of
broadcast standards.
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darn...that makes sense... :)
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Actually, blood is not a homogenous substance like oil,
so it doesn't have an overarching behavior like that.
In fact, the density of blood is quite close to water
because most of blood is plasma (water + blood proteins, etc.)
So blood and its components just disperse with the water.
It takes a lot of blood to make water uniformly red after dispersion
(that is, once it settles, not when it blood is first coming out)
because, while most of blood is plasma, it's the smaller portion
of red blood cells that make it red, specifically the hemoglobin
in the cells, more specifically the iron in the hemoglobin.
Meanwhile, what does rust have a lot of? Yep.
Basically, rust is of a higher concentration of it,
so it takes less volume of rust to make the same water red
(or if similar volumes, makes the same water even redder)
but it mostly settles at the bottom and takes time to mix in
(unless you help it like stirring or disturbing the water).
Where was I going again? ^_^;;
Joe AOL
Wow. Always an educational experience posting here. :D Anyway, I just
noticed my ADV/Manga DVD of episode 24 has half of that scene blacked
out!! Weak. Anyway, as zedisdead pointed out a week ago, Asuka's wrists
are bandaged at the start of EoE, which pretty much settles it in my
mind.
JA
zedizdead
out; also, it's hard to say whether the bandage in ep25' is from
sliting her wrist or is just there for the IV... There is also a
question of whether the blood, if that's what it is, could be there
for 'female' reasons. Having said all that, tho, I think that the
idea that she slit her wrists is very plausible, as the lines she
speaks in the scene ("No one looks at me.. I have no reason to live")
sound very suicidal coming from Asuka, since the attention of others
is pretty much all she lives for...