What's with the middle finger?
Kagetora
In article <8601521...@dejanews.com>, arn...@umich.edu wrote:
>A gesture I find to be somewhat common in anime is when a character
>flips the bird, gives the finger, or whatever you want to call it. Does
>the gesture have any special meaning in japan, or is it the same as its
>meaning here in the US?
Supposed to be a sign of defiance.
Of course, I'd classify saying "f*** you" with a hand gesture as "defiant", but
in Japan it has less....vulgar....overtones. I'd still cream the person doing
it anyway...if that's what you're getting at. ^_^
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>In article <8601521...@dejanews.com>, arn...@umich.edu wrote:
>>A gesture I find to be somewhat common in anime is when a character
>>flips the bird, gives the finger, or whatever you want to call it. Does
>>the gesture have any special meaning in japan, or is it the same as its
>>meaning here in the US?
>
>Supposed to be a sign of defiance.
>
>Of course, I'd classify saying "f*** you" with a hand gesture as
>"defiant", but
>in Japan it has less....vulgar....overtones. I'd still cream the person doing
>it anyway...if that's what you're getting at. ^_^
Not to start a "favorite bird flipping moments" thread :) but...
My favorive flipping-the-bird-scene is from Macross Plus, where Isamu
enthusiastically flips the bird to the Colonel (through his office door)
after being lectured about his stupidity. Hilarious!
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Bruce James Robert Linley wrote:
>
> Not to start a "favorite bird flipping moments" thread :) but...
--Oh, of course not. I'll do my best not to.
> My favorive flipping-the-bird-scene is from Macross Plus, where Isamu
> enthusiastically flips the bird to the Colonel (through his office door)
> after being lectured about his stupidity. Hilarious!
Although, at this point, I'd also mention Fujiko's distinctly American
response to a truck driver (and in English) from "Lupin III: From Russia
With Love", but sorry, we're not turning it into one of those threads...
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Robert Morrison
Bruce James Robert Linley wrote on Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:03:43 GMT:
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>
> enthusiastically flips the bird to the Colonel (through his office
door)
> after being lectured about his stupidity. Hilarious!
Well, since it's going...
I have two favorite birdflipping moments.
One is in the Ranma 1/2 OAV "The One To Carry On, Part Two"...who could
forget Ryouga's sideline antics during the final battle between Ranma
and Akane and the orphans...
"Ranma, there's just one thing I wanna say to you!" .!. ^_^
The other is when Chibi Trunks flipped off Burori.
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>Not to start a "favorite bird flipping moments" thread :) but...
I'm afraid you did... ^_^
My favorite "finger" scene is in Ranma 1/2 OAV 5. Not only does Ryouga
flip the bird at Ranma, but he simultaneously does the "right palm on
left bicep, raise left elbow" gesture. The quotation: "I got one thing
to say to you, Ranma..."
Honorable mention: Rin at the very end of Fairy Princess Ren episode 1.
A complete mis-use of the gesture if I ever did see one.
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Paul Cordeiro <shi...@icrossroads.com> wrote in article
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> On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:03:43 GMT, lin...@netcom.com (Bruce James Robert
> Linley) wrote:
>
> >Not to start a "favorite bird flipping moments" thread :) but...
>
> I'm afraid you did... ^_^
>
> My favorite "finger" scene is in Ranma 1/2 OAV 5. Not only does Ryouga
> flip the bird at Ranma, but he simultaneously does the "right palm on
> left bicep, raise left elbow" gesture. The quotation: "I got one thing
> to say to you, Ranma..."
Where is that scene? I must've missed it.
Anyway, check out this picture and tell me which finger you think Akane is
holding up at Ranma-chan.
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ToonRunner
On Mon, 07 Apr 97 01:11:27 GMT, kage...@pernet.net (Kagetora) wrote:
>Of course, I'd classify saying "f*** you" with a hand gesture as "defiant", but
>in Japan it has less....vulgar....overtones. I'd still cream the person doing
>it anyway...if that's what you're getting at. ^_^
>
The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
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In article <5kp11i$o...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us> rsp...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Ronald Spillman) writes:
>Try Sylia Stingray flippin' off Priss in Scramble Wars..Brings a warm
>feelin' to my heart...:)
Not a female, but the main character in MADOX-01 flips the Ultimate Teacher
rejects one after he "convertible"s their car.
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ToonRunner (bluw...@inch.com) wrote:
: The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
: Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
Try Sylia Stingray flippin' off Priss in Scramble Wars..Brings a warm
feelin' to my heart...:)
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In article <3370c0cf...@news.inch.com>, bluw...@inch.com (ToonRunner) writes:
|> On Mon, 07 Apr 97 01:11:27 GMT, kage...@pernet.net (Kagetora) wrote:
|>
|>
|> >Of course, I'd classify saying "f*** you" with a hand gesture as "defiant", but
|> >in Japan it has less....vulgar....overtones. I'd still cream the person doing
|> >it anyway...if that's what you're getting at. ^_^
|> >
|>
|> The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
|> Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
How about Yuugen Kaisha? And I think Ryoko did it on one of the original
Tenchi LD covers. In the US they edited it out...
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Keener
ToonRunner wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 Apr 97 01:11:27 GMT, kage...@pernet.net (Kagetora) wrote:
>
> >Of course, I'd classify saying "f*** you" with a hand gesture as "defiant", but
> >in Japan it has less....vulgar....overtones. I'd still cream the person doing
> >it anyway...if that's what you're getting at. ^_^
> >
>
> The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
I've also seen Ryoko do it in a promo picture and Ayaka from Phantom
Quest Corp. flips off the anemic vampire right before she lunges at him.
What's with these A.I.C. women anyway?
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Paul Cordeiro wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 May 1997 23:39:26 GMT, bluw...@inch.com (ToonRunner) wrote:
>
> > The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> >Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
>
> the finger in the OP to Key the Metal Idol.
>
> Other bird-flippers iclude:
> -Ryouko (TM!)
> -Ryouga (R1/2)
> -Rally (GSC)
> -Rin (FPR)
> -Sylia (SDDF - Scramble Wars)
> -Miz (El-Ha)
Hey, don't forget Leon flipping off his helo pilot in BGC:Red Eyes.
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On Tue, 06 May 1997 23:39:26 GMT, bluw...@inch.com (ToonRunner) wrote:
> The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
>Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
I'm pretty sure there's a semi-subliminal shot of a character giving
the finger in the OP to Key the Metal Idol.
Other bird-flippers iclude:
-Ryouko (TM!)
-Ryouga (R1/2)
-Rally (GSC)
-Rin (FPR)
-Sylia (SDDF - Scramble Wars)
-Miz (El-Ha)
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On 7 May 1997, Ronald Spillman wrote:
>
> ToonRunner (bluw...@inch.com) wrote:
>
> : The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> : Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
>
>
> feelin' to my heart...:)
And then there's Ranma-chan flipping off Akane (To Akane!?!?How dare she
do that!) in the tennis match in Manga vol. 11
Of course, that's manga, so I guess it doesn't count.
In "Dangaioh", Pai Thunder does that gesture as well, somewhere in the
beginning or middle.
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Keener
Jeb Hoge wrote:
>
> Paul Cordeiro wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 06 May 1997 23:39:26 GMT, bluw...@inch.com (ToonRunner) wrote:
> >
> > > The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> > >Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
> >
> > the finger in the OP to Key the Metal Idol.
> >
> > Other bird-flippers iclude:
> > -Ryouko (TM!)
> > -Ryouga (R1/2)
> > -Rally (GSC)
> > -Rin (FPR)
> > -Sylia (SDDF - Scramble Wars)
> > -Miz (El-Ha)
>
And Ayaka (eat stake VAMP) Kisarage (PQC)
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Keener wrote:
>
> Jeb Hoge wrote:
> >
> > Paul Cordeiro wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 06 May 1997 23:39:26 GMT, bluw...@inch.com (ToonRunner) wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> >>>Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure there's a semi-subliminal shot of a character giving
> >> the finger in the OP to Key the Metal Idol.
> >>
> >> Other bird-flippers iclude:
> >> -Ryouko (TM!)
> >> -Ryouga (R1/2)
> >> -Rally (GSC)
> >> -Rin (FPR)
> >> -Sylia (SDDF - Scramble Wars)
> >> -Miz (El-Ha)
> >
> > Hey, don't forget Leon flipping off his helo pilot in BGC:Red Eyes.
>
> And Ayaka (eat stake VAMP) Kisarage (PQC)
>
Didn't Ranma-chan give the finger during the story when they first
found out about the happodaikarin?
Arnold Kim
On Thu, 8 May 1997, Emily Siazon wrote:
>
> Didn't Ranma-chan give the finger during the story when they first
> found out about the happodaikarin?
Yup, it was to Akane in the tennis match. But I think that's only in the
manga.
And since I had no idea what the gesture meant to the japanese befor this
thread, i was kind of surprised at Akane's lack of reaction.
Ronald Spillman
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Arnold Kim (arn...@umich.edu) wrote:
: Yup, it was to Akane in the tennis match. But I think that's only in the
: manga.
: And since I had no idea what the gesture meant to the japanese befor this
: thread, i was kind of surprised at Akane's lack of reaction.
I'm thinkin' (an' muh head hurts :) that Ranma was using it to emphasize
what his plans for Happosai were. I've noted that often in manga the gesture
is not necessarily directed at a person but to emphasize an angry moment.
(tho' there have been notable exceptions...:)
Victor W. Wong
Arnold Kim (arn...@umich.edu) writes:
> On Thu, 8 May 1997, Emily Siazon wrote:
>>
>> Didn't Ranma-chan give the finger during the story when they first
>> found out about the happodaikarin?
>
> Yup, it was to Akane in the tennis match. But I think that's only in the
> manga.
>
> And since I had no idea what the gesture meant to the japanese befor this
> thread, i was kind of surprised at Akane's lack of reaction.
Somehow I'm not--even though I don't know what the middle finger gesture
means to the Japanese.
I sorta figured that, since the gesture was made while Ranma was talking
about Happosai, that she was indicating what was going to happen to the
old pervert.
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rsp...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Ronald Spillman) writes:
>Distribution:
>Arnold Kim (arn...@umich.edu) wrote:
>: manga.
>: And since I had no idea what the gesture meant to the japanese befor this
>: thread, i was kind of surprised at Akane's lack of reaction.
>I'm thinkin' (an' muh head hurts :) that Ranma was using it to emphasize
>what his plans for Happosai were. I've noted that often in manga the gesture
>is not necessarily directed at a person but to emphasize an angry moment.
>(tho' there have been notable exceptions...:)
The gesture isn't even necessarily obscene or offensive. I can
think of a particular manga where a 10-year old character gave the
finger, with the approximate meaning of "Oh, stop fooling around!"
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In article
<Pine.SOL.3.95.970507...@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
Arnold Kim <arn...@umich.edu> wrote:
> On 7 May 1997, Ronald Spillman wrote:
> >
> > ToonRunner (bluw...@inch.com) wrote:
> >
> > : The Two examples of Anime Babes giving the "bird' was Naomi
> > : Armitage on the CD, and a dojinshi of Sailor Moon doing the same.
> >
> >
> > Try Sylia Stingray flippin' off Priss in Scramble Wars..Brings a warm
> > feelin' to my heart...:)
>
> And then there's Ranma-chan flipping off Akane (To Akane!?!?How dare she
> do that!) in the tennis match in Manga vol. 11
>
> Of course, that's manga, so I guess it doesn't count.
>
> In "Dangaioh", Pai Thunder does that gesture as well, somewhere in the
> beginning or middle.
>
> Arnold Kim
> arn...@umich.edu
>
> Akane Tendo is a goddess!
> Go KTF! Go Miyu! Go Akane's Dojo! Go KDL!
I guess it doesn't carry much of the same significance in Japan as it
might in the U.S.
I got all sorts of stares for my Van Halen Balance Tour shirt but the
guy wearing a shirt with the 'f' word in big type didn't on the
Tokyo trains. <shrug>
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In rec.arts.anime.fandom Edwin Koshimoto <ed...@digital.net> wrote:
>I guess it doesn't carry much of the same significance in Japan as it
>might in the U.S.
>I got all sorts of stares for my Van Halen Balance Tour shirt but the
>guy wearing a shirt with the 'f' word in big type didn't on the
>Tokyo trains. <shrug>
In Newtype 97.05, page 57, there is a half-page manga talking about
"tori-zaka", apparently a translation of "flipping the bird", showing some
little runt kid innocently flipping off an American while saying "hello"
and then getting beat up. I haven't gotten very far in trying to
translate it, but the second panel shows a guy (the kid 10 years later?)
wearing an "ABUNAI!" t-shirt. It definitely gets the idea across.
It certainly looks like it has nowhere near the meaning in Japan that it
has here in the US of A. I need to do translation on the second row of
panels, 'cuz that's where I think it tells the Japanese perspective.