RFD: talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
F. Arnaud
unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita.
NEWSGROUPS LINE: talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita The tradition of Acharya Madhva.
RATIONALE: talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
The objective is to create a newsgroup in which the strict practices &
philosophies of the Dvaita school of Vedanta can be discussed & debated.
Dvaita (more formally known as Tattvavaada) followers believe in the
absolute supremacy of Vishnu over Shiva and all other deities. Also,
Dvaita followers recognize that an individuals' souls (jiiva) are distinct
and separate entities from Vishnu (also known as the Supreme Lord, or
Iishvara), and that the souls depend on Vishnu for salvation. A separate
newsgroup for Dvaita discussion, separate from all other Hindu discussion
on Usenet, separate from other forums where other aspects and schools of
Vedanta are discussed, would be a great benefit to Usenet and to followers
of the faith.
Back in 1999, a similar proposal was presented to the NAN moderator for a
newsgroup in the soc.* hierarchy - soc.religion.vaishnava.dvaita; this
proposal failed in a CFV by a relatively small margin - 90 YES votes; 38
NO votes; where 128 votes would have been requires to pass the group. So
now talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is proposed eight years later, with the
hopes of creating this necessary newsgroup for the followers and students
of Tattvavaada.
CHARTER:
talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is an unmoderated newsgroup which will
serve as a forum for discussing the tradition of Acharya Madhva. It is
not on-topic to post commercial or personal ads of any kind to
talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita. Debate is on-topic, but personal attacks
are heavily frowned upon. Posts containing binaries are not on-topic,
with the exception of PGP type signatures and X-Face avatars. All posts
must be in plain text and not in HTML.
PROCEDURE:
For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation
Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup. This is both a courtesy to groups in
which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best
method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.
To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.
We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup
to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to
keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID
(e.g., Barney Fife, <4JGdnb60fsMzHA7Z...@sysmatrix.net>).
Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.
DISTRIBUTION:
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.music.indian.misc
soc.culture.indian
alt.religion.hindu
PROPONENT:
F. Arnaud <fran...@club127.net>
CHANGE HISTORY:
2007-02-26 1st RFD
Tim Skirvin
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
Is this group going to be overrun with Jai Maharaj flamewars?
> Back in 1999, a similar proposal was presented to the NAN moderator for a
> newsgroup in the soc.* hierarchy - soc.religion.vaishnava.dvaita; this
> proposal failed in a CFV by a relatively small margin - 90 YES votes; 38
> NO votes; where 128 votes would have been requires to pass the group. So
> now talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is proposed eight years later, with the
> hopes of creating this necessary newsgroup for the followers and students
> of Tattvavaada.
Are these people still interested in discussing this on Usenet?
If so, please bring them here to voice their support; it would certainly
help convince me that this group would be well-used.
- Tim Skirvin (sk...@big-8.org)
--
http://www.big-8.org/ Big-8 Management Board
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*>
Arnaud
> F. Arnaud <fran...@club127.net> writes:
>
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
>
> Is this group going to be overrun with Jai Maharaj flamewars?
I certainly hope not. I attempted to use stronger wording in the charter
to combat flamers and personal attacks, but a representative from Group
Mentors emailed and asked me to change phases like "not permitted" to "off
topic".
NOTE: Changes to future versions of this proposal will be made available
for preview on the following web page before submission:
shrao
> F. Arnaud <franc...@club127.net> writes:
> > REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> > unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
>
> Is this group going to be overrun with Jai Maharaj flamewars?
>
> > Back in 1999, a similar proposal was presented to the NAN moderator for a
> > newsgroup in the soc.* hierarchy - soc.religion.vaishnava.dvaita; this
> > proposal failed in a CFV by a relatively small margin - 90 YES votes; 38
> > NO votes; where 128 votes would have been requires to pass the group. So
> > now talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is proposed eight years later, with the
> > hopes of creating this necessary newsgroup for the followers and students
> > of Tattvavaada.
>
> Are these people still interested in discussing this on Usenet?
> If so, please bring them here to voice their support; it would certainly
> help convince me that this group would be well-used.
That's a good point. This proposal seems not to have been discussed
on the Dvaita
list or related forums. I don't know the proponent; does he have a
history with this
topic?
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
Jim Riley
wrote:
>F. Arnaud <fran...@club127.net> writes:
>
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
>
> Is this group going to be overrun with Jai Maharaj flamewars?
>
>> Back in 1999, a similar proposal was presented to the NAN moderator for a
>> newsgroup in the soc.* hierarchy - soc.religion.vaishnava.dvaita; this
>> proposal failed in a CFV by a relatively small margin - 90 YES votes; 38
>> NO votes; where 128 votes would have been requires to pass the group. So
>> now talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is proposed eight years later, with the
>> hopes of creating this necessary newsgroup for the followers and students
>> of Tattvavaada.
>
> Are these people still interested in discussing this on Usenet?
>If so, please bring them here to voice their support; it would certainly
>help convince me that this group would be well-used.
Would it be proper to contact the voters from 1999?
--
Jim Riley
Jim Riley
wrote:
>F. Arnaud <fran...@club127.net> writes:
>
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita
>
> Is this group going to be overrun with Jai Maharaj flamewars?
>
>> Back in 1999, a similar proposal was presented to the NAN moderator for a
>> newsgroup in the soc.* hierarchy - soc.religion.vaishnava.dvaita; this
>> proposal failed in a CFV by a relatively small margin - 90 YES votes; 38
>> NO votes; where 128 votes would have been requires to pass the group. So
>> now talk.religion.vaishnava.dvaita is proposed eight years later, with the
>> hopes of creating this necessary newsgroup for the followers and students
>> of Tattvavaada.
>
> Are these people still interested in discussing this on Usenet?
>If so, please bring them here to voice their support; it would certainly
>help convince me that this group would be well-used.
Would it be proper to contact the voters from 1999?
--
Jim Riley
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