Sunbird and Lightning 0.3rc1 available
Matthew Willis
are now available.
Key things to know about these bits:
* On Windows, be sure to remove any old installation of Sunbird before
starting the 0.3rc1 installer. This (bug 355255) will be fixed in 0.3rc2.
* No localizations are currently available. This will change for 0.3rc2
and/or final.
* The release notes are still a work in progress; however it is believed
that they contain most of the important information. Please read them
carefully before installing.
Sunbird Release Notes:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:0.3_Release_Notes
Lightning Release Notes:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:0.3_Lightning_Release_Notes
We'd love all the help we can get ensuring that we know about all the
important bugs. Please download and file bugs in Bugzilla (or, if in
doubt, ask in #calendar-qa on IRC).
Sunbird 0.3rc1:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/sunbird/releases/0.3rc1/
Lightning 0.3rc1:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/0.3rc1/
Gordon
Immediate reaction, which MUST be fixed for the gold release otherwise
you will never compete with Outlook or Kontact - you CANNOT, still, drag
an item from an email into the calendar. In other words, if someone
sends me an appointment as an ics file, and I drag it to the calendar, I
cannot. I have to manually enter the details into the calendar. This is
the ONE thing that Outlook and Kontact at the moment are still trumping
Lightning with.
HTH
Paul_B
Wow, that sure looks very nice. Worth waiting for, indeed.
Sunbird installation on XP went very smoothly; profile was left
untouched. Suntray working.
Q? How to either get rid of the Home calendar file or at least
set my own cal file to be the default? The only files I see
changed when I add to the Home file are storage.sdb and
localstore.rdf, both in the profile/<>.default folder.
Thanks for all the good work.
p.
posting from m.s.c
Joey Minta
> Immediate reaction, which MUST be fixed for the gold release otherwise
> you will never compete with Outlook or Kontact - you CANNOT, still, drag
> an item from an email into the calendar.
an 0.3 version of software MUST do), I recognize why this feature can be
considered important. There has been a bug on file for awhile on this
issue (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244459) but
unfortunately the patch attached there didn't get reviewed in time for
this release. If I can find time in my schedule in the coming weeks,
I'll look into packaging that patch as an extension.
-Joey
P.S. If someone else has more time to whip it into an xpi, feel free to.
It should be fairly trivial.
Gordon
>
> P.S. If someone else has more time to whip it into an xpi, feel free to.
> It should be fairly trivial.
Thanks for the response - much as I would like to help I have no idea AT
ALL on how to do that! (I'm just a simple user........)
alta88
Just a note on my top blocking bug: Calendar mode permanently kills
certain layout views https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337119
It looks like Tb2 is going with the wide Message List view, so Lightning
should handle it..
keith marshall
lightning .03rc1
Could someone be so kind to help
thanks
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end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
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Robert Kaiser
> Immediate reaction, which MUST be fixed for the gold release otherwise
> you will never compete with Outlook or Kontact - you CANNOT, still, drag
> an item from an email into the calendar.
You realize this is a ZERO DOT THREE release, right? This is nowhere
near a final 1.0 release, so there are absolutely no musts in it.
That said, I hope we'll even get SeaMonkey (the new, toolkit-based trunk
one we'll have then) integration when Lightning reaches 1.0 :)
Robert Kaiser
Andrew DeFaria
--Andrew DeFaria
What is a free gift? Aren't all gifts free?
Simon Paquet
>>> Immediate reaction, which MUST be fixed for the gold release
>>> otherwise you will never compete with Outlook or Kontact - you
>>> CANNOT, still, drag an item from an email into the calendar.
>> You realize this is a ZERO DOT THREE release, right? This is nowhere
>> near a final 1.0 release, so there are absolutely no musts in it.
>>
>> That said, I hope we'll even get SeaMonkey (the new, toolkit-based
>> trunk one we'll have then) integration when Lightning reaches 1.0 :)
>>
> You do realize that it's been at least 5 years just to get to a 0.3
> prerelease alpha code!
Everyone certainly realizes that. Still an 0.3 app is an 0.3 app and
not a 7.0 app.
> Don't get me wrong - Calendar and Lightning are better than nothing.
> But MS (and others) have had groupwide, business usable calendaring
> since at least '92 if not earlier and Netscape/Mozilla (follow the
> progression) has never had anything even close available.
I've *never* seen any developer or project supporter, who claimed that
Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook
in the dust. Feature and stability parity with Outlook is definitely
something that we want to reach someday, but that is something that is
still lies far ahead in the future.
> There is a reason why Outlook/Exchange combination is appealing to
> many.
Rightly so. Outlook (and Notes) are at the moment the best groupware
solutions on the market.
> Taking decades to come up with something that isn't even 1/10th as
> powerful is nothing to brag about nor defend.
Who did brag about it or defend it?
Robert rightly pointed out, that there are no MUSTs in an 0.3
application and certainly not in an open source application that is
built by people working on the app in their free time compared to an
app built by paid engineers with the power and the money of the
mightiest software company in the world behind them.
Please do not read something into other people's posts that they clearly
did not write.
--
Simon Paquet
Sunbird/Lightning/Calendar website maintainer
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria wrote on 05. Oct 2006:
Don't get me wrong - Calendar and Lightning are better than nothing. But MS (and others) have had groupwide, business usable calendaring since at least '92 if not earlier and Netscape/Mozilla (follow the progression) has never had anything even close available.I've *never* seen any developer or project supporter, who claimed that Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in the dust.
Feature and stability parity with Outlook is definitely something that we want to reach someday, but that is something that is still lies far ahead in the future.
I'm only semi joking...
There is a reason why Outlook/Exchange combination is appealing to many.Rightly so. Outlook (and Notes) are at the moment the best groupware solutions on the market.
Taking decades to come up with something that isn't even 1/10th as powerful is nothing to brag about nor defend.
Who did brag about it or defend it?
Robert rightly pointed out, that there are no MUSTs in an 0.3 application and certainly not in an open source application that is built by people working on the app in their free time compared to an app built by paid engineers with the power and the money of the mightiest software company in the world behind them.
Please do not read something into other people's posts that they clearly did not write.
--Andrew DeFaria
Work: 214-549-0855
Cell: 214-289-1959
Southern DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Nope)
Brad Peyton
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Simon Paquet wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote on 05. Oct 2006:
>>> Don't get me wrong - Calendar and Lightning are better than nothing.
>>> But MS (and others) have had groupwide, business usable calendaring
>>> since at least '92 if not earlier and Netscape/Mozilla (follow the
>>> progression) has never had anything even close available.
>> I've *never* seen any developer or project supporter, who claimed that
>> Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in
>> the dust.
> If you read carefully you'd also notice that even I didn't say
> "Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in
> the dust" so what's you're point here? Setting up straw men to knock
> down maybe? Right now Lightning and Sunbird are barely tools. Been that
> way for 10 years. Be another 10 before it's even a product...
>> Feature and stability parity with Outlook is definitely something that
>> we want to reach someday, but that is something that is still lies far
>> ahead in the future.
> I'll come back in 2020. Hopefully something usable will be available
> before I die! :-)
It's amazing what people want other people to do for FREE.
If you're so impatient about getting a free alternative to M$ Lookout,
start developing one. Contribute to the solution instead of criticizing
those that already contribute their time and efforts (for free).
Simon Paquet
>>> Don't get me wrong - Calendar and Lightning are better than nothing.
>>> But MS (and others) have had groupwide, business usable calendaring
>>> since at least '92 if not earlier and Netscape/Mozilla (follow the
>>> progression) has never had anything even close available.
>>
>> I've *never* seen any developer or project supporter, who claimed
>> that Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves
>> Outlook in the dust.
>
> If you read carefully you'd also notice that even I didn't say
> "Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in
> the dust" so what's you're point here?
Did you ever see or use the stylistic device of exaggeration...
> Right now Lightning and Sunbird are barely tools. Been that way for
> 10 years. Be another 10 before it's even a product...
...it seems so, because Calendar hasn't been around for 10 years.
mozilla.org has only been around for 8 years.
>> Feature and stability parity with Outlook is definitely something
>> that we want to reach someday, but that is something that is still
>> lies far ahead in the future.
>
> I'll come back in 2020. Hopefully something usable will be available
> before I die! :-)
That may be the case. ;-)
>>> Taking decades to come up with something that isn't even 1/10th as
>>> powerful is nothing to brag about nor defend.
>>
>> Who did brag about it or defend it?
>
> Ah... well... The people here (like you) who come to it's defense
> with qualifications and justifications when a truthful critic of it
> is posted...
You should definitely read what other people write, instead of imagining
something and then replying to that imagination.
I definitely recall writing that our product is not as good as Outlook
and will not be as good for *at least* 1-2 years, more if you want a
replacement not just for Outlook but for an Outlook/Exchange
combination.
If that looks like a "defense with qualifications and justifications"
to you, then you're definitely speaking a different language than I do.
>> Robert rightly pointed out, that there are no MUSTs in an 0.3
>> application and certainly not in an open source application that is
>> built by people working on the app in their free time compared to an
>> app built by paid engineers with the power and the money of the
>> mightiest software company in the world behind them.
>
> Now that's a defensive justification if I ever saw one! Too bad you
> don't. Many applications built by people working in their spare time
> have tons more completed in the time frames that SB and Lightning
> have been taking...
That may be the case. We would have to compare the actual man-days of
work put into the product to say that for sure.
Matthew Willis
Please stop posting.
(and my apologes to m.d.planning that I didn't set a follow-up on the
original post)
-lilmatt
Andrew DeFaria
It's amazing what people want other people to do for FREE.
If you're so impatient about getting a free alternative to M$ Lookout, start developing one. Contribute to the solution instead of criticizing those that already contribute their time and efforts (for free).
Chris Ilias
> Andrew DeFaria wrote on 05. Oct 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.calendar/msg/c841d47765878f48
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Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria wrote on 05. Oct 2006:
Did you ever see or use the stylistic device of exaggeration...If you read carefully you'd also notice that even I didn't say "Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in the dust" so what's you're point here?Don't get me wrong - Calendar and Lightning are better than nothing. But MS (and others) have had groupwide, business usable calendaring since at least '92 if not earlier and Netscape/Mozilla (follow the progression) has never had anything even close available.I've *never* seen any developer or project supporter, who claimed that Thunderbird+Lightning are a killer combination that leaves Outlook in the dust.
Right now Lightning and Sunbird are barely tools. Been that way for 10 years. Be another 10 before it's even a product.....it seems so, because Calendar hasn't been around for 10 years.
mozilla.org has only been around for 8 years.
That may be the case. ;-)Feature and stability parity with Outlook is definitely something that we want to reach someday, but that is something that is still lies far ahead in the future.
I'll come back in 2020. Hopefully something usable will be available before I die! :-)
You should definitely read what other people write, instead of imagining something and then replying to that imagination.Ah... well... The people here (like you) who come to it's defense with qualifications and justifications when a truthful critic of it is posted...Taking decades to come up with something that isn't even 1/10th as powerful is nothing to brag about nor defend.Who did brag about it or defend it?
I definitely recall writing that our product is not as good as Outlook and will not be as good for *at least* 1-2 years, more if you want a replacement not just for Outlook but for an Outlook/Exchange combination.
If that looks like a "defense with qualifications and justifications" to you, then you're definitely speaking a different language than I do.
That may be the case. We would have to compare the actual man-days of work put into the product to say that for sure.Robert rightly pointed out, that there are no MUSTs in an 0.3 application and certainly not in an open source application that is built by people working on the app in their free time compared to an app built by paid engineers with the power and the money of the mightiest software company in the world behind them.Now that's a defensive justification if I ever saw one! Too bad you don't. Many applications built by people working in their spare time have tons more completed in the time frames that SB and Lightning have been taking...
Simon Paquet
> The commentary in thread is no longer productive.
> Please stop posting.
Yes, you're right. I shouldn't reply to Andrew's troll-postings any
longer. You really can't have a sensible discussion with him.
F'up2 poster