Twiddle documentation

[vilpan]

Hi,
the mention of Twiddle CLI management tool in the 2.2.0 announcement
(http://groups.google.com/group/mobicents-public/browse_thread/thread/
dcc46fc95e0e362) seems really interesting. Is there any more elaborate
documentation than the feature list available in issue 1583 (http://
code.google.com/p/mobicents/issues/detail?id=1583&can=1&q=component
%3DJainSLEE%20version%3D2.2.0%20status%3DFixed&colspec=ID%20Priority
%20Component%20Milestone%20Version%20Release%20Type%20Status%20Owner
%20Summary#c8)?


Thanks!

[Alexandre Mendonça]

Hi,

You can find the Twiddle CLI documentation in the release ZIP under tools/twiddle/docs/en-US

Regards,

--

Alexandre Mendonça // JBoss R&D
http://ammendonca.blogspot.com/

[vilpan]

Thanks, looking into it. Is it OK to use Twiddle with pre-2.2.0
releases?

On Oct 19, 2:39 pm, Alexandre Mendonça <brains...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You can find the Twiddle CLI documentation in the release ZIP under
> tools/twiddle/docs/en-US
>
> Regards,
>
> --

> *Alexandre Mendonça* // JBoss R&Dhttp://ammendonca.blogspot.com/

[Bartosz Baranowski]

Yes.
Bartosz Baranowski
JBoss R & D
==================================
Word of criticism meant to improve is always step forward.

[vilpan]

I would really like a change to the pull-quote convention used in
Mobicents manuals, specifically the combination of background and font
colours for excerpts from terminal. I find the current combination of
black background and solid red font hard to read - have to dance
around the monitor every time. :)

On Oct 19, 2:39 pm, Alexandre Mendonça <brains...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You can find the Twiddle CLI documentation in the release ZIP under
> tools/twiddle/docs/en-US
>
> Regards,
>
> --

> *Alexandre Mendonça* // JBoss R&Dhttp://ammendonca.blogspot.com/

[Eduardo Martins]

Thanks for the feedback, issue created:

http://code.google.com/p/mobicents/issues/detail?id=1979

-- Eduardo

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http://www.redhat.com/solutions/telco

[Bartosz Baranowski]

Its more generic, cause it looks the same in jopr console manual, its comes from definition in docbook.

Bartosz Baranowski
JBoss R & D
==================================
Word of criticism meant to improve is always step forward.

[vilpan]

I haven't analysed seriously enough to provide a thorough compilation
of suggestions yet, but I think little bits of feedback are better
than no feedback. :)

If we were to start a wishlist for Twiddle, I'd say it would be nice
to enhance 'trace' command with an operation to list all installed
notification sources, if it is possible.


Regards,
Vilius

On Oct 19, 4:29 pm, Eduardo Martins <emmart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback, issue created:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/mobicents/issues/detail?id=1979
>
> -- Eduardo
>

> -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-http://emmartins.blogspot.comhttp://www.redhat.com/solutions/telco

[Bartosz Baranowski]

yes, that was on my mind. Someone said: "what for" :) Thats his answer.

Would like to hear more about overall impression and "look & feel" since this is first rel.

Bartosz Baranowski
JBoss R & D
==================================
Word of criticism meant to improve is always step forward.

[vilpan]

I've just yet tried out the tool, haven't tested extensively as noted.
But I must confess beforehand that I can't be impartial because I
usually prefer simple command line tools over GUIs whenever possible
so basically I love the idea of a CLI management tool. I believe GUIs
are useful mostly when you don't know exactly what you're doing, CLI
tools are more effective otherwise. They also have this huge advantage
of unlimited possibilities for automation.

We have some specialized GUI tools tailored specifically for our use
cases (like profile editing of tables based on a commonly used profile
specification) which are more visually appealing and simpler compared
to JBoss's jmx-console. However, I guess I'll prefer Twiddle for
multiple reasons:
- it is a standard tool (or so I hope :) ), which means it should be
available in all deployments;
- it might be the only choice in some limited environments (no X
server, strict networking settings, where I would be setting up
multiple SSH tunnels just to fire up a "nice" GUI tool to change a
value of a MBean property).

As a Mobicents user and a developer of solutions based on the platform
I'm really grateful that this tool has been introduced. :) I believe
it'll become a crucial tool especially in some critical
troubleshooting situations. Will report if I stumble on any issues
later on or come up with any more suggestions.


Thanks,
Vilius

On Oct 20, 6:10 pm, Bartosz Baranowski <baran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, that was on my mind. Someone said: "what for" :) Thats his answer.
> Would like to hear more about overall impression and "look & feel" since
> this is first rel.
> Bartosz Baranowski
> JBoss R & D
> ==================================
> Word of criticism meant to improve is always step forward.
>

[WozZa XiNg]

Yes, I think a wishlist on the wiki for twiddle is a great idea.

I have used twiddle quite a bit. Keep in mind it really is a stupid as JMX client.

So sometimes many steps are required to perform a simple operation such as create a profile in a
profile table.

For example I have some shell functions to which grep and cut twiddle output. Sounds nasty I know,
but maybe there is room for some twiddle base scripting module perhaps even in ECMA javascript or
jython.

I have embedded rhino JS and jython engine before into other products with good success.