Obama refuses to use foreign ships in cleanup!
walt tonne
There's an article in Canada's Financial Post from last Friday that
details the capacity of the fleet of oil skimmers owned by the Dutch
government and shows why the administration should have taken up the
Dutch on their offer to provide their fleet to help clean up the oil
spill.
One giant skimmer on its way to the gulf is the A Whale supertanker,
which can skim more than 100,000 barrels of oily water a day. Yet
before the Taiwanese-owned, Liberian-flagged A Whale can go to work it
too will need a Jones Act waiver.
A lot has been made of Obama's continued refusal to waive the act,
with most pundits figuring that the inaction had to do with opposition
from labor unions. A Forbes source with deep maritime experience
explains that union opposition can't be the reason. Waiving the act
for oil skimmers couldn't possibly hurt unions because there's no
Jones Act-compliant skimmers available for the job that aren't already
working the Gulf.
His take: "if the commentators are right in blaming the unions, then
their analyses are deficient because they failed to balance [1] the
theoretical harm to cynical unions (theoretical because there is no
fleet of American skimmers) with [2] the real harm to the fragile
environment. If, however, the commentators are wrong because the
unions just didn't care about the Jones Act, then the issue becomes
the incompetence of the president's team in failing to waive the act
and use the foreign skimmers."
Obama is a twisted, incompetent, non-leader.
Jeff M
> EQUALS INCOMPETENCE AT ITS WORST-IMPEACH THE JAGOFF NOW!!!
> One giant skimmer on its way to the gulf is the A Whale supertanker,
> which can skim more than 100,000 barrels of oily water a day. Yet
> before the Taiwanese-owned, Liberian-flagged A Whale can go to work it
> too will need a Jones Act waiver.
>
> A lot has been made of Obama's continued refusal to waive the act,
The facts are a bit different than many think. Among other things, a
waiver usually isn't required for spill response vessels.
*****
Oil Spill, Foreign Help and the Jones Act
June 23, 2010
Q: Did Obama turn down foreign offers of assistance in cleaning up the
Gulf oil spill? Did he refuse to waive Jones Act restrictions on
foreign-flag vessels?
A: No to both questions. So far, five offers have been accepted and only
one offer has been rejected. Fifteen foreign-flag vessels are working on
the cleanup, and none required a waiver.
FULL QUESTION
Is it true that Obama blocked foreign help with cleaning up the Gulf oil
spill because he refused to waive the Jones Act, which requires all
boats to be American made and crewed by Americans to work in U.S.
waters, even though it has been routinely waived for similar events?
FULL ANSWER
We’ve received several questions about the federal government’s response
to the oil spill. This one claims that a provision of the Merchant
Marine Act, called the Jones Act, has prohibited foreign vessels from
entering U.S. waters and assisting in the cleanup.
Some critics have charged — falsely — that Obama’s refusal to waive the
Jones Act has kept foreign vessels from assisting in cleanup efforts. In
a June 23 interview on "Fox & Friends," Republican Rep. Charles Djou of
Hawaii was asked by show host Gretchen Carlson about the Jones Act and
why the administration was refusing foreign assistance. Djou answered:
Djou, June 23: It’s important that we take help from whomever and
wherever they’re willing to offer it. … So why are we not waiving the
Jones Act to allow international help to come in? … Why we’re not
waiving it here … is baffling.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, both
Republicans, have also claimed that the Jones Act, which was temporarily
lifted by President Bush after Hurricane Katrina, is now standing in the
way of foreign vessels bringing assistance to the United States. They
are both incorrect. Palin stated this in an interview with Fox News’
Greta Van Susteren:
Palin, June 11: For one, there needs to be a waiving of the Jones
Act so that we could have had many, many days ago, weeks ago, some help
with skimmers from elsewhere, besides just U.S. flagships, come over and
help in this tragedy. And that order needs to be given to [Coast Guard]
Admiral [Thad] Allen right now. It’s amazing to me and to so many others
that though President Bush had been able to waive Jones Act provisions
for Katrina, President Obama hasn’t thought to do that yet? And yet
surely, that has been suggested by those experts around him.
In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response
efforts. The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press
release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating
in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones
Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was
enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all
trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels
constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law
states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense
and commerce.
Why was the Jones Act waived as part of the Hurricane Katrina response,
and why hasn’t it been waived now? Katrina inflicted massive
infrastructure damage, which restricted the availability of key
resources. According to the Deepwater Horizon response team: "A Jones
Act waiver was granted during Hurricane Katrina due to the significant
disruption in the production and transportation of petroleum and/or
refined petroleum products in the region during that emergency and the
impact this had on national defense." The Deepwater Horizon spill has
yet to affect infrastructure or oil and gas availability; the damage is
environmental, and foreign vessels are approved for delivering resources
and conducting offshore skimming. Although the Jones Act is currently
not applicable, the federal government has taken steps to expedite the
waiver process should the oil spill response require a Jones Act waiver
for trade and commerce.
Also, contrary to reports such as the one on "Fox & Friends,"
international assistance has been accepted. To date, 25 countries and
four international organizations have offered support in the form of
skimming vessels, containment and fire boom, technical assistance and
response solutions, among others. A chart provided by the State
Department shows that as of June 23 five offers had been accepted and 50
were under consideration — including multiple offers from a single
country or entity. One offer had been declined: France offered a
chemical dispersant that is not approved for use in the United States.
President Barack Obama described this process in his May 27 press
conference:
Obama, May 27: The job of our response team is to say, okay, if 17
countries have offered equipment and help, let’s evaluate what they’ve
offered: How fast can it get here? Is it actually going to be redundant,
or will it actually add to the overall effort — because in some cases,
more may not actually be better. And decisions have been made based on
the best information available that says here’s what we need right now.
It may be that a week from now or two weeks from now or a month from now
the offers from some of those countries might be more effectively utilized.
Each offer must be compliant not only with the needs outlined by the
Unified Command, but also with U.S. safety regulations. The Unified
Command provided us with this statement and information:
Unified Command, June 22: Those offers of international assistance
that were not accepted, while greatly appreciated, did not meet the
operational requirements of the Unified Command. These offers have not
been declined because they may be needed in the future as response
strategies change. Some challenges in accepting these offers included:
* Equipment failed to meet US requirements/specifications (i.e.
dispersant not on approved list/containment boom made of non-approved
material)
* Contingencies placed on the offers proved logistically
impracticable when compared to other sources.
* In one instance, the offering country’s export laws
prohibited delivery of the assistance
* Contingencies placed on the offers made it difficult for the
Unified Command to meet the contingency
Also, all offers, except for a few, come with a serious price tag. The
Associated Press compared these offers with recent aid that the U.S.
gave to some of these countries. The AP reported:
Associated Press, June 18: U.S. disaster aid is almost always free
of charge; other nations expect the U.S. to pay for help.
"These offers are not typically offers of aid," said Lt. Erik
Halvorson, a Coast Guard spokesman. "Normally, they are offers to sell
resources to BP or the U.S. government."
Reports claiming that the federal government has refused help are not
only incorrect — foreign assistance has been utilized — but are also
misleading: purchasing resources and expertise is vastly different from
accepting "foreign aid."
–Joshua Goldman
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/
*****
Offshore staff
Published: Jun 15, 2010
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen
instructed the Coast Guard federal on-scene coordinator, U.S. Customs
and Border Protection, and the U.S. Maritime Administration to ensure
any Jones Act waiver requests regarding the BP oil spill response
receive accelerated processing.
The admiral’s guidance would route waivers through the on-scene
coordinator and the national incident commander for expedited clearance.
No Jones Act waivers have been required for the 15 foreign-flagged
vessels currently in operation in the Gulf of Mexico. A foreign flag
vessel can conduct certain operations as part of the flotilla if it is
an oil spill response vessel and meets the requirements of 46 USC § 55113.
Federal law prohibits a foreign-flagged vessel from transporting
merchandise between points in the United States encompassed by the
Coastwise laws. The CBP determines the application of the Jones Act.
Shall not be infringed
He denied FEMA support to tornado victims in Ohio.
drug prohibition is cop welfare
so you admit that the jones act crap is just a bunch of s***?
an urban myth in the making?
and that yer spreading fertilizer?
and not only that but you KNEW it when you posted it?
**************************************888
"He denied FEMA support to tornado victims in Ohio. " - snbi
(the fallback position)
the next bs statement/lie to be addressed?
take a number, asshole.
RD Sandman
news:019ec4f3-a728-459c...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
There are currently 15 foreign vessels in the Gulf working the scene.
Six nations have offered help, five were accepted. The sixth, France,
was denied due to the dispersal agents not meeting US standards. Here is
where you can read all about this:
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-
act/
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Experience is learning from your mistakes....
Wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others.
Strabo
Can't believe you pass on this deceitful crap as fact.
Dispersal agents have nothing to do with skimming oil. The Gulf oil
spillage could have been collected and refined. That it is not
tells much about Americans and their government.
The federal government has prevented and or delayed various cleanup
operations even while the southern border invites more illegal aliens
and communists are put on the Supreme Court by so-called conservatives.
Americans are to blame for tolerating an obviously treasonous
government.
RD Sandman
news:8utWn.2803$cO....@newsfe09.iad:
Who claimed that they did? They have to do with dispersal which is one
of the methods in use. Do you think that skimming is the only viable way
to clean up the mess?
The Gulf oil
> spillage could have been collected and refined. That it is not
> tells much about Americans and their government.
Probably......however the Jones Act is not preventing assistance in the
cleanup. The Jones Act only involves commerce and trade.
> The federal government has prevented and or delayed various cleanup
> operations
This is true, but not because of the Jones Act.
> even while the southern border invites more illegal aliens
It isn't "inviting them". The southern border is a line in the dirt. It
can't do anything.
> and communists are put on the Supreme Court by so-called
> conservatives.
Oh, who would that be and who would they be replacing? Oh, other
liberals. No change to the makeup of the Court.
> Americans are to blame for tolerating an obviously treasonous
> government.
Did you get spittle on your monitor typing this?
freeisbest
> RD Sandman wrote:
-SNIP-
> > There are currently 15 foreign vessels in the Gulf working the scene.
> > Six nations have offered help, five were accepted. The sixth, France,
> > was denied due to the dispersal agents not meeting US standards.
> > Here is where you can read all about this:
> >http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-
> > act/
> Dispersal agents have nothing to do with skimming oil.
> That it is not tells much about Americans and their
> government.
Please explain HOW the 'oilspillage' could have been collected
and refined. I'm sure that everyone will want to know the secret
knowledge you have and thousands of engineers don't.
It would be mildly interesting to know where you post from, since
you refer to us as Americans and *their* government.
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>
> The federal government has prevented and or delayed
> various cleanup operations even while the southern border
> invites more illegal aliens
> and communists are put on the Supreme Court by
> so-called conservatives.
>
> Americans are to blame for tolerating an obviously treasonous
> government.
Blame is good. Blame means you remember Reagan smirking and
lying about Iran-Contra, and you do remember Dumbya -literally-
kissing up to the Saudis. And you're starting to admit it. May you
have many belated insights into the America's disgraceful Rethuglican
past.
(A word of caution? You might want to pass on finding commonists
in the U.S. Congress. Both commonism and the Soviet Union have been
gone for quite a while now.)
Shall not be infringed
Strabo
> On Jun 29, 5:25 pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>> RD Sandman wrote:
> -SNIP-
>>> There are currently 15 foreign vessels in the Gulf working the scene.
>>> Six nations have offered help, five were accepted. The sixth, France,
>>> was denied due to the dispersal agents not meeting US standards.
> > > Here is where you can read all about this:
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-
> > > act/
>> 0snip-
> > Dispersal agents have nothing to do with skimming oil.
> > The Gulf oilspillage could have been collected and refined.
> > That it is not tells much about Americans and their
> > government.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please explain HOW the 'oilspillage' could have been collected
> and refined. I'm sure that everyone will want to know the secret
> knowledge you have and thousands of engineers don't.
> It would be mildly interesting to know where you post from, since
> you refer to us as Americans and *their* government.
>
From the beginning (now about seventy days) several fleets of oil
skimming vessels could have coordinated within the Gulf to capture the
crude when it surfaced. Salvaged crude would be transferred to
collection tankers and taken to refineries.
One type of vessel serves both purposes:
..........
Former Shell Oil Chief, Engineer: Supertankers Could Save the Gulf, So
Why Won't BP Listen?
BY Ariel SchwartzThu May 13, 2010
John Hofmeister and Nick Pozzi tell Fast Company how a possible solution
to the Gulf Oil spill is sitting under BP's nose.
<
http://www.fastcompany.com/1646820/could-the-gulf-oil-spill-could-cleaned-up-by-supertankers
>
...........
Giant oil skimmer makes stop in Norfolk on way to Gulf oil cleanup
Peter Frost, pfr...@dailypress.com | 247-4744 Daily Press
10:24 PM EDT, June 25, 2010
<
http://www.cw27.com/news/military/dp-nws-oil-skimmer-20100625,0,147214.story
>
.........
Huge oil-skimming ship makes Virginia stop en route to Gulf of Mexico
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 11:00 PM
<
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/huge_oil-skimming_ship_makes_v.html
>
.........
Such a salvage operation could pay for itself and continue as long as
necessary making the current situation apolitical and problematic.
But 'leaders' conspired to create "an opportunity." Yes, there is
evidence that certain BP and banking interests knew about the well
separation and may have been instrumental in causing it.
Why? To move oil domination from one group to another.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> The federal government has prevented and or delayed
> > various cleanup operations even while the southern border
> > invites more illegal aliens
> > and communists are put on the Supreme Court by
> > so-called conservatives.
> > Americans are to blame for tolerating an obviously treasonous
> > government.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Blame is good. Blame means you remember Reagan smirking and
> lying about Iran-Contra, and you do remember Dumbya -literally-
> kissing up to the Saudis. And you're starting to admit it. May you
> have many belated insights into the America's disgraceful Rethuglican
> past.
>
There are no Republicans or Conservatives in federal office. Only
Neocons, Communists and assorted Socialists preparing you for their
global plantation.
>
> (A word of caution? You might want to pass on finding commonists
> in the U.S. Congress. Both commonism and the Soviet Union have been
> gone for quite a while now.)
>
Neither National Socialism nor the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
didn't disappear. They just changed names, players and tactics.
Fully half the US Congress is socialistic as exemplified by the Kagan
fiasco.
Either repeal the 16th and 17th amendments, the Income Tax and Federal
Reserve acts, or hold an Article V convention.
Gunner Asch
Got a time frame of when they offered..and when they started?
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
<demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Blame is good. Blame means you remember Reagan smirking and
>lying about Iran-Contra, and you do remember Dumbya -literally-
>kissing up to the Saudis. And you're starting to admit it. May you
>have many belated insights into the America's disgraceful Rethuglican
>past.
You seem to have forgotten:
" I did not..have sex..with that woman, Monica Lewinsky"
But then..you fucktards always forget that.
pyotr filipivich
<gunne...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:33:19
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:41:26 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
><demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Blame is good. Blame means you remember Reagan smirking and
>>lying about Iran-Contra, and you do remember Dumbya -literally-
>>kissing up to the Saudis. And you're starting to admit it. May you
>>have many belated insights into the America's disgraceful Rethuglican
>>past.
>
>
>You seem to have forgotten:
>
>" I did not..have sex..with that woman, Monica Lewinsky"
>
>But then..you fucktards always forget that.
Progressives seem to be of the opinion that democrats are allowed
to be rapists,because, well, lets face it, they really aren't capable
of controlling themselves. And lying under oath is perfectly
understandable to them, if sex can somehow be involved.
Naturally, I would not believe a one of them if they were to deny
that they molest barnyard animals. You know they're lieing about sex.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Blame is good. Blame means you remember Reagan smirking and
>>>lying about Iran-Contra, and you do remember Dumbya -literally-
>>>kissing up to the Saudis. And you're starting to admit it. May you
>>>have many belated insights into the America's disgraceful Rethuglican
>>>past.
>>
>>
>>You seem to have forgotten:
>>
>>" I did not..have sex..with that woman, Monica Lewinsky"
>>
>>But then..you fucktards always forget that.
>
> Progressives seem to be of the opinion that democrats are allowed
>to be rapists,because, well, lets face it, they really aren't capable
>of controlling themselves. And lying under oath is perfectly
>understandable to them, if sex can somehow be involved.
> Naturally, I would not believe a one of them if they were to deny
>that they molest barnyard animals. You know they're lieing about sex.
>
>
>tschus
>pyotr
Yaknow....its fascinating how perverts have taken to calling themselves
Progressives. They must be fascinated with "p"
RD Sandman
news:bhll2694tamic3fle...@4ax.com:
Nope, but it was most likely prior to the whining about the Jones Act.
freeisbest
-snip-
> Wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others.
And observing the Rethuglican party is the reason why sane
Americans have learned so very much from the Ten Thousand and One
Mistakes of Caliph Al-Dumbya.
JohnJohnsn
>
> Dispersal agents have nothing to do with skimming oil. The Gulf oil
> spillage could have been collected and refined. That it is not
> tells much about Americans and their government.
>
> The federal government has prevented and or delayed various cleanup
OBAMA'S BIG OIL SPILL BUNGLE
By Dick Morris
Published on TheHill.com on June 29, 2010
It's one thing to say that Obama's administration showed ineptitude
and mismanagement in its handling of the Gulf oil spill. It is quite
another to grasp the situation up close, as I did during a recent
visit to Alabama.
According to state disaster relief officials, Alabama conceived a plan
-- early on -- to erect huge booms offshore to shield the
approximately 200 miles of the state's coastline from oil. Rather than
install the relatively light and shallow booms in use elsewhere, the
state (with assistance from the Coast Guard) canvassed the world and
located enough huge, heavy booms -- some weighing tons and seven
meters high -- to guard their coast.
But...no sooner were the booms in place than the Coast Guard, perhaps
under pressure from the public comments of James Carville, uprooted
them and moved them to guard the Louisiana coastline instead.
So Alabama decided on a backup plan. It would buy snare booms to catch
the oil as it began to wash up on the beaches.
But...the Fish and Wildlife Administration vetoed the plan, saying it
would endanger sea turtles that nest on the beaches.
So Alabama -- ever resourceful -- decided to hire 400 workers to
patrol the beaches in person, scooping up oil that had washed ashore.
But...OSHA (the Occupational Safety and Health Administration) refused
to allow them to work more than 20 minutes out of every hour and
required an hourlong break after 40 minutes of work, so the cleanup
proceeded at a very slow pace.
The short answer is that every agency -- each with its own particular
bureaucratic agenda -- was able to veto each aspect of any plan to
fight the spill, with the unintended consequence that nothing stopped
the oil from destroying hundreds of miles of wetlands, habitats,
beaches, fisheries and recreational facilities.
Where was the president? Why did he not intervene in these and
countless other bureaucratic controversies to force a focus on the
oil, not on the turtles and other incidental concerns?
According to Alabama Gov. Bob Riley, the administration's "lack of
ability has become transparent" in its handling of the oil spill. He
notes that one stellar exception has been Obama aide Valerie Jarrett,
without whom, he says, nothing whatever would have gotten done.
Eventually, the state stopped listening to federal agencies and just
has gone ahead and given funds directly to the local folks fighting
the spill rather than paying attention to the directives of the
Unified Command. Apparently, there is a world of difference between
the competence of the Coast Guard and the superb and efficient regular
Navy and military.
Now the greatest crisis of all looms on the horizon as hurricanes
sweep into the Gulf. Should one hit offshore, it will destroy all the
booms that have been placed to stop the oil from reaching shore. And
there are no more booms anywhere in the world, according to Alabama
disaster relief officials. "There is no more inventory of booms
anywhere on earth," one told me in despair.
The political impact of this incompetence has only just begun to be
felt. While administration operatives are flying high after a week in
which the president's ratings rebounded to 49 percent, per Rasmussen,
after his firing of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the oil is still gushing
and the situation is about to worsen.
The obvious fact is that Obama has no executive experience, nor do any
of his top advisers. Without a clear mandate from the top, needed
efforts to salvage the situation are repeatedly stymied by well-
meaning bureaucrats strictly following the letter of their agency
policy and federal law. The result, ironically, of their determined
efforts to protect the environment has been the greatest environmental
disaster in history. But some turtles are OK!
-30-
greylock
I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
much care for him).
JohnJohnsn
> I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>
> I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
> consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can...
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - and what I mean by
that is it's an opportunity to do things that you could not do
before."
--Rahm Emanuel, BHOJr's Chief of Staff
> ...- so as to make political points and try to jam through his programs
>>>>http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones...
freeisbest
> On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
That's nice, dear. Go play now and let the adults talk.
Shall not be infringed
> I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>
> I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
> consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
> to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
> punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
> much care for him).
Ayup.
> >>>http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones...
> >-30-- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It sure appears that way. I've never seen a democrat who wouldn't
hurt his country for political gain.
freeisbest
che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 6:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>
> Ayup.
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Wow, Republican eloquence and depth of thought in one
mindless tiny package.
Curly Surmudgeon
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them often.
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Curly Surmudgeon
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Usenet is full of those who didn't learn.
Shall not be infringed
> On Jun 30, 9:02 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 6:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
> -snip-
>
> > Ayup.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Wow, Republican eloquence and depth of thought in one
> mindless tiny package.
Nice snip, slick.
freeisbest
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:07:19 -0700, freeisbest <demeter547op...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 9:02 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
> > che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 30, 6:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
> > -snip-
> > > Ayup.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Wow, Republican eloquence and depth of thought in
> > one mindless tiny package.
>
> With six little feet. If you listen closely you can here him
> stomping them often.
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:^) Don't think I'll ever forget that image...
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Two good 'uns in one post. This is a keeper.
greylock
Be glad to - but hearing them talk here in this newgroup is rather
rare.
I note you didn't use profanity or dirty words - maybe Mommy will let
you post again.
I also note the tone of the rsponse and that tells me all I need to
know about your political affiliation.
Gray Ghost
news:v4fp26lfkecvm6ubl...@4ax.com:
Progressive scumbag?
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"Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be
construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be
sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything
or nothing at pleasure."
—Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 1823
RD Sandman
8211-bf8...@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
And that education continues in the Age of Obama.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Experience is learning from your mistakes....
pyotr filipivich
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:11:01
-0700 (PDT) in misc.survivalism:
>On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>
>> I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
>> consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can...
>
>"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - and what I mean by
>that is it's an opportunity to do things that you could not do
>before."
>--Rahm Emanuel, BHOJr's Chief of Staff
In other words, he doesn't know what to do about the crisis, but
he's willing to exploit it for his own purposes.
Stupid and malicious. If Rahm were a 2nd Lt - he'd be the sort to
be fragged - by his superior officers "for the good of the service."
pyotr filipivich
<greyl...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:17:01
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
>
>I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>
>I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
>consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
>to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
>punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
>much care for him).
I doubt they have that much on the ball. "Do not attribute to
Malice what could be explained by Stupidity."
But I do not rule out the possibility of Stupid Maliciousness. Ad
Ignorance and Hubris and you pretty much define the Obama
administration. Including the Congress.
>On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 29, 4:25 pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:019ec4f3-a728-459c...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:21 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> EQUALS INCOMPETENCE AT ITS WORST-IMPEACH THE JAGOFF NOW!!!
>>>>>> There's an article in Canada's Financial Post from last Friday that
>>>>>> details the capacity of the fleet of oil skimmers owned by the Dutch
>>>>>> government and shows why the administration should have taken up the
>>>>>> Dutch on their offer to provide their fleet to help clean up the oil
>>>>>> spill.
>>>
Gray Ghost
news:71qp2613nkefgod42...@4ax.com:
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that greylock
><greyl...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:17:01
> -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>
>>I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
>>consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
>>to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
>>punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
>>much care for him).
>
> I doubt they have that much on the ball. "Do not attribute to
> Malice what could be explained by Stupidity."
Don't make the error of attributing to stupidity what can be better explained
by malice.
Do not underestimate the opposition. You do so at your own risk. Read Sun Tzu.
>
> But I do not rule out the possibility of Stupid Maliciousness. Ad
> Ignorance and Hubris and you pretty much define the Obama
> administration. Including the Congress.
>
>
>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
>><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 29, 4:25 pm, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>>>> RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:019ec4f3-a728-459c...@b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:21 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> EQUALS INCOMPETENCE AT ITS WORST-IMPEACH THE JAGOFF NOW!!!
>>>>>>> There's an article in Canada's Financial Post from last Friday that
>>>>>>> details the capacity of the fleet of oil skimmers owned by the Dutch
>>>>>>> government and shows why the administration should have taken up the
>>>>>>> Dutch on their offer to provide their fleet to help clean up the oil
>>>>>>> spill.
>>>>
--
greylock
(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>greylock <greyl...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:v4fp26lfkecvm6ubl...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:03:44 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
>><demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 30, 7:11 pm, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> > > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>>-snip-
>>> That's nice, dear. Go play now and let the adults talk.
>>
>>
>> Be glad to - but hearing them talk here in this newgroup is rather
>> rare.
>>
>> I note you didn't use profanity or dirty words - maybe Mommy will let
>> you post again.
>>
>> I also note the tone of the rsponse and that tells me all I need to
>> know about your political affiliation.
>
>Progressive scumbag?
You're at least half right - I don't happen to agree with letting the
"socialists" restyle themselves as "progressives".
He is a wannabe socialist "brownshirt" - trying to ridicule that which
he doesn't agree with - and probably can't even comprehend.
Keep in mind the "nazi's" were actually "National Socialists".
greylock
(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
>news:71qp2613nkefgod42...@4ax.com:
>
>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that greylock
>><greyl...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:17:01
>> -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>
>>>I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>>
>>>I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
>>>consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
>>>to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
>>>punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
>>>much care for him).
>>
>> I doubt they have that much on the ball. "Do not attribute to
>> Malice what could be explained by Stupidity."
>
>Don't make the error of attributing to stupidity what can be better explained
>by malice.
>
>Do not underestimate the opposition. You do so at your own risk. Read Sun Tzu.
I agree with your sentiment in the two line above wholeheartedly.
JohnJohnsn
What's the matter, Demento; afraid to hear what your "hero" Rahm "Dead
Fish" Emanuel thinks about your "intellectual capacity"?
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - and what I mean
by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you could not do
before."
--Rahm Emanuel, BHOJr's Chief of Staff
He thinks the average American cannot understand that LIEberals always
use "serious crisis" (whatever that may mean to them at the time) to
push forward their `LIEberal Socialist Agenda'.©DNC
Jeff M
Just like the rightards used 9/11 to push forward their statist
authoritarian agenda, e.g. the USA PATRIOT Act.
pyotr filipivich
<NoS...@NoThanks.org> reported Elvis on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:06:14
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
So glad to see you agree that a crisis is a terrible thing to waste -
we need a bigger government to protect us from the results of the last
program which was in response to a serious crisis.
Far too many people are asking what is the best size for a
government program, never asking if such a program is A) the best
route, or B) even if it something the Government should be doing in
the first place. We're not poised on the brink of a slippery slope,
were well over it.
--
pyotr filipivich
"Given our monstrous, overgrown government structure, any three letters
chosen at random would probably designate an agency or part of a
department that could be profitably abolished." Milton Freidman
pyotr filipivich
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
>On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:19:44 -0500, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
>>news:71qp2613nkefgod42...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that greylock
>>><greyl...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:17:01
>>> -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>>>
>>>>I believe it is a very deliberate policy decision to make the
>>>>consequences of the oil spill just as bad as they possibly can - so as
>>>>to make political points and try to jam through his programs of
>>>>punishing the oil companies and the Gulf States (who did and do NOT
>>>>much care for him).
>>>
>>> I doubt they have that much on the ball. "Do not attribute to
>>> Malice what could be explained by Stupidity."
>>
>>Don't make the error of attributing to stupidity what can be better explained
>>by malice.
>>
>>Do not underestimate the opposition. You do so at your own risk. Read Sun Tzu.
>
>I agree with your sentiment in the two line above wholeheartedly.
I'm not ruling out maliciousness. But : But I do not rule out
the possibility of Stupid Maliciousness. And >>> Ignorance and Hubris
and you pretty much define the Obama >>> administration. Including
the Congress.
So, the real question is "Now What?" They're malicious - what do
we do? Do about it, or to reverse it? When do we decide that "snout
counting" is not going to work, and it is time for the alternative
means of politics?
When does the shooting start? When does it end? Then what?
greylock
Hold those thoughts until after the upcoming November elections. The
results of that event should be very telling in determining "what
now".
I"m too old to think that having to get to a shooting situation would
be a good thing.
I'm still hipeful that the system may manage to provide needful
balance.
Actually solving the many problems would pretty much require the
"replacement" of all of the Democrats in Congress and - unfortunately
- most of the Republicans - with genuine conservatives. No matter what
"they" say - right now conservatives are not being represented by
pretty much anyone.
freeisbest
-SNIP-
>
> I"m too old to think that having to get to a shooting situation
> would be a good thing.
That's good news for the rest of us. That means you still have
all your marbles.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm still hipeful that the system may manage to provide
> needful balance.
> No matter what "they" say - right now conservatives are not
> being represented by pretty much anyone.
A fair number of us are still hopeful that the system may manage
to provide needful balance; but after several decades of deliberate
destruction of our government by an ever more corporatist Republican
party, I'm beginning to doubt. I agree wholeheartedly that something
needs to be done about the quality of our representatives; though we
differ fundamentally about which group is the problem.
Still, those of us who can remember a time decades ago, when our
government not crippled by a lunatic rightwinger faction, that is,
those of us who remember a time when there were honest Republicans in
the news media and in Congress - we are all getting very old. Most
folks under 50 have never seen those things, so their image of what
*our* government is and what *our* government can do, both may have
been distorted to the point that we're just going to slide down the
tube of history like all the other empires.
greylock
If you haven't realized that there ARE NO GOOD GUYS in government
these days (Republican or Democrat) - you are a hopeless noob.
Quit listening to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN.
Obama and his minions are radicals who hate America - especially
Southerners (with specal attention to Texans).
The Republicans are not generally haters of America, but they ARE
generally focussed on what they can get out of it for themselves.
Anybody voting Democrat in November is a fool (I'll withhold judgement
on the ones that did it in the last election and hope they have
learned better by the atrocious performance of Obama).
Gray Ghost
news:6nrp269cj0iql7ulv...@4ax.com:
I know a good deal more about the Nazis then any of the lefty nitwits who like
to throw trhe label around. It's an excellent lesson in evil and the mundanity
of it.
Gray Ghost
It is malicious in what they beleive and what they despise. They are stupid in
that they think the US of all places can be cowed. Communism often takes root
in countries where there is no history of real liberty. Which explains why
they are trying to erase our past. I beleive enough people will remember and
will be willing to stand on the bridge. it probably won't take that many. How
many Americans do you think beleive in something enough to risk thier life,
thier fortunes, thier sacred honor? Most will sit it out and wait and see.
>
> So, the real question is "Now What?" They're malicious - what do
> we do? Do about it, or to reverse it? When do we decide that "snout
> counting" is not going to work, and it is time for the alternative
> means of politics?
>
> When does the shooting start? When does it end? Then what?
>
>
I'll say this much you better figure out when the shooting stops before the
shooting starts.
Gray Ghost
news:b2a21a15-699f-469e...@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
Part of the problem, not the solution. Good luck with that.
Lookout
(Gray Ghost) wrote:
Of course you do. You revere them and for us they are ancient history.
Dumbass.
freeisbest
wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't understand your comment on my post. Could
you explain a bit more?
I had never seen that Jefferson quote before; it's a keeper.
Thanks for posting it.
freeisbest
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:25:48 -0500, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com
>
>
>
> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
> >greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:v4fp26lfkecvm6ubl...@4ax.com:
>
> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:03:44 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
> >><demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Jun 30, 7:11 pm, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
> >>>-snip-
> >>> That's nice, dear. Go play now and let the adults talk.
>
> >> Be glad to - but hearing them talk here in this newgroup is rather
> >> rare.
>
> >> I note you didn't use profanity or dirty words - maybe Mommy will let
> >> you post again.
>
> >> I also note the tone of the rsponse and that tells me all I need to
> >> know about your political affiliation.
>
> >Progressive scumbag?
>
> You're at least half right - I don't happen to agree with letting the
> "socialists" restyle themselves as "progressives".
"Letting"? Someone missed the point about a system of government
which features freedom of speech and freedom of association.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> He is a wannabe socialist "brownshirt" - trying to ridicule that which
> he doesn't agree with - and probably can't even comprehend.
>
> Keep in mind the "nazi's" were actually "National Socialists".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Or not. They were in fact members of the Nationalsozialistischen
Partei.
They were different from citizens of the U.S.A. in 2010. 'Nazis'
belonged to a different culture, spoke a different language, and lived
on a different continent, more than three-quarters of a century ago.
But your touching hope that you now know everything about everyone
everywhere - because of one translated word - that is duly noted.
freeisbest
Let's see - a grade-school level insult to a man you've never
met, a flat lie attributed to the same man, then a flat statement
about what other people think (when we would have heard about you if
you could really read minds), a cutsey neologism that Explains
Everything by assigning blame to "them". Yep, you've got the whole
radical right kit.
Gray Ghost
news:14a70ef9-a187-43cf...@a3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
No, dipshit, not like passing a law, but by shining a light on thier lies.
Like cockroaches in the kitchen at night. Turn on the lights and watch 'em
run.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
>
>> He is a wannabe socialist "brownshirt" - trying to ridicule that which
>> he doesn't agree with - and probably can't even comprehend.
>>
> > Keep in mind the "nazi's" were actually "National Socialists".
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> Or not. They were in fact members of the Nationalsozialistischen
> Partei.
Actually illiterate dumbass it was The National Socialist German Workers'
Party Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei , abbreviated NSDAP),
> They were different from citizens of the U.S.A. in 2010. 'Nazis'
> belonged to a different culture, spoke a different language, and lived
> on a different continent, more than three-quarters of a century ago.
Be that as it may, studying history is the key to the future, ehich is why the
left is distorting to the greatest extent possible. What happened in Germany
could easily happen in the US, obviously with dioffering fall guys, but
studying evil allows one to see it cealry when it presents itself all wrapped
in flowery words and good intentions.
> But your touching hope that you now know everything about everyone
> everywhere - because of one translated word - that is duly noted.
Why not, dispshits on this group are constantly accusing me and others of
being a racist for using some "code word". We're just applying the same
standard that you use.
Gray Ghost
news:30934c10-9bf5-428c...@f7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 1, 11:19 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> wrote:
>> freeisbest <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:b2a21a15-699f-469e...@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > -SNIP-
>>
>> > > I"m too old to think that having to get to a shooting situation
>> > > would be a good thing.
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --- - That's good news for the rest of us. That means you still
>> > have all your marbles.
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --- -
>> > > I'm still hipeful that the system may manage to provide needful
>> > > balance.
>> > -snip-
>> > > No matter what "they" say - right now conservatives are not
> > > > being represented by pretty much anyone.
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --- -- A fair number of us are still hopeful that the system may
you think the whole problem is the Republicans? You think that Democrats
haven't thier share of fanatics? Liars? That many of the current problems are
outgrowths of Democrat's socialistic spending ptrgrams? That the current
crisis is all Republican's fault even though the Obamao has been in offict
since Jan 09 and Congress has been majority Democrat since 06.
While I certainly agree that many "Republicans" aren't worth the powder to
blow them up and should probably not even call themselves Republicans I hardly
think that th4 bumbling interference in our economy, our homes and our private
lives that has been going on for decades is the result of convervative
principles being adhereed to.
If you think one party is guilty and one party without sin, than you are just
another fanatic to be excised.
>
> I had never seen that Jefferson quote before; it's a keeper.
> Thanks for posting it.
>
--
Gray Ghost
news:0a48e467-70a4-484f...@b29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
So you're Rahm Emanuel didn't say that? Now who is lieing?
greylock
I just killfiled the moron when it became inescapably apparent that
he is a troll.
I suggest a similar action on your part. You cannot have a
conversation with a rock.
Lookout
We agree here. The fanatical wing of each party (to which you belong)
IS the biggest problem in America.
Gray Ghost
news:hr0s26lai0qkkeen5...@4ax.com:
>>> -- --------
>>> "Letting"? Someone missed the point about a system of government
>>> which features freedom of speech and freedom of association.
>>
>>No, dipshit, not like passing a law, but by shining a light on thier
>>lies. Like cockroaches in the kitchen at night. Turn on the lights and
>>watch 'em run.
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -- --------
>>>
>>>> He is a wannabe socialist "brownshirt" - trying to ridicule that which
>>>> he doesn't agree with - and probably can't even comprehend.
>>>>
>>> > Keep in mind the "nazi's" were actually "National Socialists".
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -- --------
>>> Or not. They were in fact members of the Nationalsozialistischen
>>> Partei.
>>
>>Actually illiterate dumbass it was The National Socialist German Workers'
>>Party Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei , abbreviated
>>NSDAP),
>>
>>> They were different from citizens of the U.S.A. in 2010. 'Nazis'
>>> belonged to a different culture, spoke a different language, and lived
>>> on a different continent, more than three-quarters of a century ago.
>>
>>Be that as it may, studying history is the key to the future, ehich is
>>why the left is distorting to the greatest extent possible. What happened
>>in Germany could easily happen in the US, obviously with dioffering fall
>>guys, but studying evil allows one to see it cealry when it presents
>>itself all wrapped in flowery words and good intentions.
>>
>>> But your touching hope that you now know everything about everyone
>>> everywhere - because of one translated word - that is duly noted.
>>
>>Why not, dispshits on this group are constantly accusing me and others of
>>being a racist for using some "code word". We're just applying the same
>>standard that you use.
>>
> I just killfiled the moron when it became inescapably apparent that
> he is a troll.
>
> I suggest a similar action on your part. You cannot have a
> conversation with a rock.
>
Oh, I will. I just love it when these buttplugs start to talk about Nazis. The
only thing they know about them is what they see on old B&W movies, which is
apprpriate as that is how they view evil Republicans anyway.
pyotr filipivich
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
>On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:25:48 -0500, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>greylock <greyl...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:v4fp26lfkecvm6ubl...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:03:44 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
>>><demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jun 30, 7:11 pm, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock <greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> > > I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
>>>>-snip-
>>>> That's nice, dear. Go play now and let the adults talk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Be glad to - but hearing them talk here in this newgroup is rather
>>> rare.
>>>
>>> I note you didn't use profanity or dirty words - maybe Mommy will let
>>> you post again.
>>>
>>> I also note the tone of the rsponse and that tells me all I need to
>>> know about your political affiliation.
>>
>>Progressive scumbag?
>
>
>You're at least half right - I don't happen to agree with letting the
>"socialists" restyle themselves as "progressives".
Ah, but that is what the "big government is the means to save us"
sorts called themselves, before they decided "liberal" was a better
description. Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, both were of a
"progressive" idea, that the US needed to Progress into the future,
and that would require the Federal Government preventing selfish
people from doing selfish things. Like creating huge companies which
kept all the profits.
After the Great War, "progresive' got a bad name, and the
progressives rebranded themselves as just "liberal". Now, Liberal is
a brand which stinks, so the Liberals are going back to their old
brand name, knowing that most people don't recall how bad a product it
was, and still is.
>He is a wannabe socialist "brownshirt" - trying to ridicule that which
>he doesn't agree with - and probably can't even comprehend.
First as tragedy, then as farce.
>Keep in mind the "nazi's" were actually "National Socialists".
But at least they could get things done.
pyotr filipivich
Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:17:55 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>> So, the real question is "Now What?" They're malicious - what do
>> we do? Do about it, or to reverse it? When do we decide that "snout
>> counting" is not going to work, and it is time for the alternative
>> means of politics?
>>
>> When does the shooting start? When does it end? Then what?
>
>I'll say this much you better figure out when the shooting stops before the
>shooting starts.
I agree. I know _my_ limits, but are they the same for everyone?
I will add here, that "shooting" can also be seen as a "voting". That
in a democratic society, the vote give a head count for relative
strength if some one wishes to object through force and violence.
"There is always the 2% which do not get the Word." Remember,
one of the phases every "revolution" goes through is the replacement
of the original revolutionaries with those even more radical. The
National Assembly which brought down the House of Bourbon was pretty
much purged by radicals who followed. "Terrorism" was invented by the
Revolutionary French Government as a governmental policy!
Likewise, the Provisional Government of Russia was replaced by the
"people's state" - a congress of councils which were to run
everything. In practice, those councils (Soviets) were first
dominated, then complete controlled, by the Majority of the Second
Party Congress (actually so called because they won one vote)- Lenin
and his "Bolshivikii".
So, the "direct action", the Great Cull, the unfortunate
incidents, the Second American Revolution, "Friday", what ever we want
to call it, begins. Only the extremists in Congress are shot. Yeah,
all done. Except that there are going to be those who want to do
something about the Extremists in their State legislature. Well,
that's good too. And the county Government? Maybe the DNC should be
the ones targeted. Going to take a few more bricks, but it is
feasible. Again, Why stop with just the National Office holders?
State level committeemen serve as a farm team for the national
organization, same goes for county organizations. Does that include
PCO (precinct committed officers)?
How far down the "food chain" is too far? Abolish the Federal
Department of Education - good idea. What to do with the current
clerical staff? .... hand them pink slips, or a shovel?
What about the Government Employee Unions? Do we "purge" just the
leadership, or include the members?
Then there are NGOs. Non-Government Organizations: the ACLU, the
Brady Organization, MoveOn.org, Code Pink, MSNBC, CNN, the Huffington
Post. There is a good reason to not "take the subscriber list and
arrest them all". How many conservatives get on the email and dead
tree mailing list in order for "opposition research."?
Yeah, I have my "little list", I know where I will stop. But what
about the 2% who never get the word? Or who consider me a
reactionary, because I don't go far enough? "You cannot make an
omelet without breaking a few eggs" - does that include the children
of the faculty at the local teachers's college where the future
teachers of America are indoctrinated with "Progressive" ideas? Does
that include the janitors at MSNBC? Not to me, not according to my
perspective. But I know there are those who might find it perhaps
distasteful, but "a dirty job still has to be done."
And that does not even begin to address the problem of "Now What?"
- after the shooting tapers off. Remember, there are still all those
laws on the books. They have to be repealed, revoked, done away with.
Department of Education is one example, but the whole "Health Care
Make over" needs to be rooted out - because as long as it is on the
books, it is the law.
I am for the "rolling back of the New Deal" - but how far, how
quickly? There is also the issue of Federal (and state) debt. The
bonds and notes held by investors great and small. People who bought
them because they _were_ planning for their retirement, kids college,
etc. Going to just walk away from those? If you do, the US
Government will find it very difficult to borrow _any_ money, to meet
payroll, to fight a war. Tax receipts are seasonal, but not all
expenses are.
Anyway, my point is that "shoot them all" is not a good policy
"Shoot only the evil ones" is a better policy, but ... well, as the
saying goes about getting a gun for self-defense: you need to be
prepared for a body on the floor. If you haven't thought it through
to that part, then you haven't thought it through. Same goes for
redressing grievances by direct action.
And for all the military guys out there, I am reminded of a
conversation with my Dad, a combat veteran. he said that a lot of
what he heard sounded so much like the campus radicals who took over
the President's office, back in the 60's. Full of froth. I replied
that when he was in Italy, the plan wasn't to take the German's office
space, but to find someone in that headquarters who would issue the
correct, legal, "alles in Ordnung" proper orders to end German
participation in the shooting. And if the current occupant would not
listen to reason, then shoot him and fine someone else. Of course,
they were trying to do the same to him. Namely, getting the order
givers to give the right orders.
So far, "we" are in the talk-talk phase of the next civil war. God
willing, I hope we do not have to go through a "direct action"
"politics by other means" phase.
Even if we can avoid shooting all the bastards, there is still
going to be a lot of legislation which will have to be repealed.
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them, Selecting the new Them
Gray Ghost
Hey, Hitler built the Autobahn and Mussolini made the trains run on time. Who
could ask for more?
Gray Ghost
All good points and worthy of extensive debate.
pyotr filipivich
>pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote
>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that greylock
>><greyl...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:42:07
>> -0500 in misc.survivalism:
>>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:25:48 -0500, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>>>(Gray Ghost) wrote:>>>
Thee is story, emigrant who left "there". And was asked How was
life in The Old Country? "I couldn't complain." SO why did you come
here? "Here, I can complain!"
Gray Ghost
Gunner Asch
Your denial of the Demonrats simularity with Nazis is noted with amused
contempt.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
And some of the posters here were all wondering why Ive claimed that in
a couple years..the People will rise up and simply kill all the
Leftwingers like the person being replied to.
As the time comes closer and closer to November..and the Left starts
shitting their pants as their candidates come closer and closer to being
booted out of office...watch their antics.
And consider..if you could kill them..what method would you use....
Gunner Asch
Whats wrong with terminating ALL Leftwing Extremists?
freeisbest
pyotr filipivich
<gunne...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:18:55
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>Whats wrong with terminating ALL Leftwing Extremists?
Nothing. But what constitutes "Leftwing Extremism"? That someone
had a subscription to Mother Jones? Moveon.Org is in their browser
history? Rules for Radicals on their shelf? Membership in the SEIU?
Let me rephrase this a bit - it is UnAmerican to make it a crime
to be a blithering idiot, or to associate with blithering idiots.
Blithering idiots, or Democrats, have a right to gather with others of
like .. "mind". I want to be careful about "guilt by association" -
the idea that everybody who voted for Obama is a Leftist Extremist.
Lets just decimate the top of the groups, and see what happens.
Not everybody "of the left" is an extremist - many, IMHO, merely
don't know 'better'. I recall an incident in college, where the
student was thrilled to discover that there was something one could do
with math besides teach in a school. Up until her sophomore year in
college, nobody had really told her that.
pyotr filipivich
<gunne...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:18:55
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them, Selecting the new Them
>
>Whats wrong with terminating ALL Leftwing Extremists?
Nothing. But means and methods, means and methods. E.G., dumping
poison gas into the Academy Awards ceremony - certainly that would get
a lot of lefties, but how many of the working stiffs who man the sound
and light boards, who usher the Celebrities to their seats, etc - all
the "little people" just trying to make a living ... how many of them
would be "collateral damage".
One of the "popular" bumper stickers in certain circles read "If
you were on trial for being a Christian, is there enough evidence for
a Conviction?" I sometimes reverse that - "if you were on trial for
being a Christian, is there evidence to acquit?"
Which is some what of my approach. In marginal cases, I would
rather acquit the occasional guilty, than hang the innocent. The
family guilty - hang them out of hand.
And we still need to consider the post cull landscape. Repeal,
repeal, repeal - yet not "dump, dump, dump." E.G. Until the
government gets out of the way of business hiring me, I want those
unemployment extensions to go through. But once the economy turns
around - heck, I won't need the unemployment benefits - let them go to
some deserving poor.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:18:55
>-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>Whats wrong with terminating ALL Leftwing Extremists?
>
> Nothing. But what constitutes "Leftwing Extremism"? That someone
>had a subscription to Mother Jones? Moveon.Org is in their browser
>history? Rules for Radicals on their shelf? Membership in the SEIU?
Good start all. But a quick drumhead tribunal will pass judgement
before the execution.
>
> Let me rephrase this a bit - it is UnAmerican to make it a crime
>to be a blithering idiot, or to associate with blithering idiots.
>Blithering idiots, or Democrats, have a right to gather with others of
>like .. "mind". I want to be careful about "guilt by association" -
>the idea that everybody who voted for Obama is a Leftist Extremist.
>Lets just decimate the top of the groups, and see what happens.
Of course. But dont you think we would be far better off without the
lowly idiots as well? Perhaps sterilization...hummm...anyone got an ax
and some tar?
>
> Not everybody "of the left" is an extremist - many, IMHO, merely
>don't know 'better'. I recall an incident in college, where the
>student was thrilled to discover that there was something one could do
>with math besides teach in a school. Up until her sophomore year in
>college, nobody had really told her that.
Then she was A. Stupid. B. Ignorant
Either case...was it in societies best interest to keep her alive? She
was an adult be the time she groked the facts.
Afterall..it would have been just a retroactive abortion. She is
probably a Useful Idiot for some DNC phone bank...shrug
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:18:55
>-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>>This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them.
>>>Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them, Selecting the new Them
>>
>>Whats wrong with terminating ALL Leftwing Extremists?
>
> Nothing. But means and methods, means and methods. E.G., dumping
>poison gas into the Academy Awards ceremony - certainly that would get
>a lot of lefties, but how many of the working stiffs who man the sound
>and light boards, who usher the Celebrities to their seats, etc - all
>the "little people" just trying to make a living ... how many of them
>would be "collateral damage".
Oh...the Great Cull will be an Individual task. No great mass murders.
Just individual murders on a mass scale. Will some innocent stups get
waxed? Probably. Shrug..but its called Collateral Damage, something
Leftwingers are well familiar with..and simply dont care about.
>
> One of the "popular" bumper stickers in certain circles read "If
>you were on trial for being a Christian, is there enough evidence for
>a Conviction?" I sometimes reverse that - "if you were on trial for
>being a Christian, is there evidence to acquit?"
> Which is some what of my approach. In marginal cases, I would
>rather acquit the occasional guilty, than hang the innocent. The
>family guilty - hang them out of hand.
The marginally guilty can be sent to Reeducation Camps. Leftwingers are
always sending people to Reeducation Camps...so it must be a good thing,
no? Daily grinding propaganda sessions, brutal physical labor, more
propaganda sessions, the occasional execution and so forth.
>
>
> And we still need to consider the post cull landscape. Repeal,
>repeal, repeal - yet not "dump, dump, dump." E.G. Until the
>government gets out of the way of business hiring me, I want those
>unemployment extensions to go through. But once the economy turns
>around - heck, I won't need the unemployment benefits - let them go to
>some deserving poor.
Do I detect some Meism in there?
Gunner, who doesnt get unemployment checks and has to struggle for every
cent he can get.
Shall not be infringed
<cop.welf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> shall not be infringed
>
> so you admit that the jones act crap is just a bunch of s***?
> an urban myth in the making?
> and that yer spreading fertilizer?
> and not only that but you KNEW it when you posted it?
>
> **************************************888
> "He denied FEMA support to tornado victims in Ohio. " - snbi
> (the fallback position)
>
> the next bs statement/lie to be addressed?
> take a number, asshole.
I admit that he denied help to Ohio's tornado victims. Maybe Ohio
will remember him in 2012.
Shall not be infringed
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:28:04 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>
>
>
>
>
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Jeff M
> ><NoS...@NoThanks.org> reported Elvis on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:06:14
> >-0500 in misc.survivalism:
> >>On 7/1/2010 2:47 PM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
> >>> On Jun 30, 7:03 pm, freeisbest<demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 30, 7:11 pm, JohnJohnsn<TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 30, 5:17 pm, greylock<greylock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I do not believe it is political incompetence - not at all.
> >>>> -snip-
> >>>> That's nice, dear. Go play now and let the adults talk.
>
> >>> What's the matter, Demento; afraid to hear what your "hero" Rahm "Dead
> >>> Fish" Emanuel thinks about your "intellectual capacity"?
>
> >>> "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - and what I mean
> >>> by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you could not do
> >>> before."
> >>> --Rahm Emanuel, BHOJr's Chief of Staff
>
> >>> He thinks the average American cannot understand that LIEberals always
> >>> use "serious crisis" (whatever that may mean to them at the time) to
>
> >>Just like the rightards used 9/11 to push forward their statist
> >>authoritarian agenda, e.g. the USA PATRIOT Act.
>
> >So glad to see you agree that a crisis is a terrible thing to waste -
> >we need a bigger government to protect us from the results of the last
> >program which was in response to a serious crisis.
>
> > Far too many people are asking what is the best size for a
> >government program, never asking if such a program is A) the best
> >route, or B) even if it something the Government should be doing in
> >the first place. We're not poised on the brink of a slippery slope,
> >were well over it.
>
> And some of the posters here were all wondering why Ive claimed that in
> a couple years..the People will rise up and simply kill all the
> Leftwingers like the person being replied to.
>
> As the time comes closer and closer to November..and the Left starts
> shitting their pants as their candidates come closer and closer to being
> booted out of office...watch their antics.
>
> And consider..if you could kill them..what method would you use....
I'm a big fan of deporting them to Canada like we did during
Vietnam.
And then controlling our borders.
> Gunner
>
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> Gunner Asch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gunner Asch
During Vietnam..they RAN like lemmings to Canada. Unfortunately..we let
them back in later.
How about this time..we give them a choice? Run to some other country or
die?
>
>And then controlling our borders.
Not a bad idea. But...sigh...Leftwingers are arrogant AND stupid. So by
the time you have made them understand the choices..the day is over. So
the most efficent way is to simply kill them and be done with it.
There are a LOT of Leftwingers that need to be disposed of, one way or
another. But hey..maybe the People will try it your way. Or some will.
Gunner
Jeff M
[snip]
> So, the "direct action", the Great Cull, the unfortunate
> incidents, the Second American Revolution, "Friday", what ever we want
> Yeah, I have my "little list", I know where I will stop. But what
> about the 2% who never get the word? Or who consider me a
> reactionary, because I don't go far enough? "You cannot make an
> omelet without breaking a few eggs" - does that include the children
> of the faculty at the local teachers's college where the future
> teachers of America are indoctrinated with "Progressive" ideas? Does
> that include the janitors at MSNBC? Not to me, not according to my
> perspective. But I know there are those who might find it perhaps
> distasteful, but "a dirty job still has to be done."
You really have no idea how silly and delusional this all sounds, do
you? Sure, you might be able to stir up a few scattered incidents of
pointless, random violence by the most unstable among you, but that's
all. Your ilk is no threat.
Most of you are just full of ignorant frustration and impotent rage,
which has much more to do with the pathetic hash you've made of your own
lives than the political condition of the country, either as it really
is or as you stupidly imagine it to be. So you will merely continue to
sit there at your keyboards, posting and re-posting about your dreams of
mass murder until you die, ineffectual and harmless.
But if any of you clowns should actually manage to stumble out of your
trailer parks long enough and sober enough to intend beginning your
"great cull," you will, with rapidity, end up either bleeding to death
in the gutter, strapped to a gurney with an IV full of paralytics and
sedatives in your arm, doing hard time as your cellmate's bitch, or, if
you're very lucky, institutionalized for life in a mental hospital's
prison ward. You see, you won't be the first right wing extremist kook
to go completely nuts and start shooting up innocent people, or trying
to, nor will you be the last. We know how to deal with your kind of
violent psychotic, and have had to do already, on several occasions.
You have no measurable effect.
No, there will be no right-wing takeover of by force, no "Great Cull,"
no mass political murder, no violent overthrow of Constitutional
government, nor any of the other horrible fates that you rightards wish
upon America in your masturbatory fever dreams. Our civil institutions,
our rule of law, and our political processes are far more stable and
resilient than you extremist fringe kooks imagine, and they are well
able to withstand whatever puny violent assaults or other criminal acts
you pathetic losers might try. It will all end very badly indeed for
you, as it always does, if you ever become deranged enough to try it.
Not that I believe for an instant that your type would ever be able to
summon up either the guts or the skills required. Your own cowardice
restrains you more effectively than any countermeasure could.
Gray Ghost
news:9uydnXaRGq7ifrLR...@giganews.com:
Excellent, the deception is working. i'm sure the Britsh thought the same of
the colonials. You just keep telling yourself that the Progressives (of both
parties) haven't fucked up the country.
JohnJohnsn
"Asking government to do things for you is like telling wishes to the
genie. Each time you get what you asked for, and a 1000 things you
wish you hadn't. The only way to win with the genie is to leave him in
his bottle."
--Unknown annotator
pyotr filipivich
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>> And we still need to consider the post cull landscape. Repeal,
>>repeal, repeal - yet not "dump, dump, dump." E.G. Until the
>>government gets out of the way of business hiring me, I want those
>>unemployment extensions to go through. But once the economy turns
>>around - heck, I won't need the unemployment benefits - let them go to
>>some deserving poor.
>
>Do I detect some Meism in there?
I can't help it, I was raised in this culture B-). There is a
certain element of the philosopher's dog. (The philosopher sent his
dog to get some sausages. The dog got 'mugged' on his way back, and
decided that, well, he might as well get some of the sausages too.)
More importantly, lets get the economy rolling again, then we can
phase out the welfare programs.
>Gunner, who doesnt get unemployment checks and has to struggle for every
>cent he can get.
I whine because I have no socks, then I see the guy who has no
shoes. Then I get embarrassed.
pyotr
pyotr filipivich
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>> Not everybody "of the left" is an extremist - many, IMHO, merely
>>don't know 'better'. I recall an incident in college, where the
>>student was thrilled to discover that there was something one could do
>>with math besides teach in a school. Up until her sophomore year in
>>college, nobody had really told her that.
>
>Then she was A. Stupid. B. Ignorant
I'll be charitable and say "misinformed." She was in what had been
the Teacher's College". Ignorant can be cured, stupid can't.
>Either case...was it in societies best interest to keep her alive? She
>was an adult be the time she groked the facts.
>
> Afterall..it would have been just a retroactive abortion. She is
>probably a Useful Idiot for some DNC phone bank...shrug
Actually, considering the class we were in, I'd suspect that she
probably had a lot of privileged glimpses into the glaringly obvious.
She was a Mathematician by inclination, which does require a certain
amount of logical ability.
Bruno Hauptman
> More importantly, lets get the economy rolling again, then we can
> phase out the welfare programs.
>
I blame Obama for everything and want Bush back.
We never had oil slicks when Bush was President.
nob...@nowhere.org
wrote:
This is an excellent time to read this document in its entirety:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
Happy Independence Day!
Newb
Shall not be infringed
Was it Clinton who gave them amnesty?
> How about this time..we give them a choice? Run to some other country or
> die?
Most would die running, let's allow them to take their Subarus..
> >And then controlling our borders.
>
> Not a bad idea. But...sigh...Leftwingers are arrogant AND stupid. So by
> the time you have made them understand the choices..the day is over. So
> the most efficent way is to simply kill them and be done with it.
>
> There are a LOT of Leftwingers that need to be disposed of, one way or
> another. But hey..maybe the People will try it your way. Or some will.
>
> Gunner
Either way, we have to control our borders.
I like Pyotr's discussions on where it stops.
I have a poster from Antietam Battlefield; Twenty seven thousand
"friendlies" killed in one day. Lincoln fires General for not killing
more.
Shall not be infringed
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>
>
> >> And we still need to consider the post cull landscape. Repeal,
> >>repeal, repeal - yet not "dump, dump, dump." E.G. Until the
> >>government gets out of the way of business hiring me, I want those
> >>unemployment extensions to go through. But once the economy turns
> >>around - heck, I won't need the unemployment benefits - let them go to
> >>some deserving poor.
>
> >Do I detect some Meism in there?
>
> I can't help it, I was raised in this culture B-). There is a
> certain element of the philosopher's dog. (The philosopher sent his
> dog to get some sausages. The dog got 'mugged' on his way back, and
> decided that, well, he might as well get some of the sausages too.)
Alexis de Toqueville spoke on keeping our democracy once we learn to
vote ourselves benefits.
> More importantly, lets get the economy rolling again, then we can
> phase out the welfare programs.
Newt Gingrich forced Clinton to begin welfare reform. Did't work.
Next time we'll just abolish it.
> >Gunner, who doesnt get unemployment checks and has to struggle for every
> >cent he can get.
>
> I whine because I have no socks, then I see the guy who has no
> shoes. Then I get embarrassed.
I stopped all charity cold turkey this year. The government has made
me redundant.
GlennR
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mcdt26hrf0rdakqhu...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:28:04 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> And some of the posters here were all wondering why Ive claimed that in
> a couple years..the People will rise up and simply kill all the
> Leftwingers like the person being replied to.
>
> As the time comes closer and closer to November..and the Left starts
> shitting their pants as their candidates come closer and closer to being
> booted out of office...watch their antics.
>
> And consider..if you could kill them..what method would you use....
>
>
> Gunner
ass gunner carrying on in his fantasy world again,
hey goober keep in mind how easy it would be to kill all you hillbillies,
all we need to do is close down the KFC's and McDonalds,
you retards would starve to death,
confiscate all the Budweiser and you'll die of thirst
close the gas stations and make you fat ass hillbillies walk and every
street in confederate land
would be littered with the bloated, rotting,obese bodies of you fat hogs
GlennR
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
.
>
> There are a LOT of Leftwingers that need to be disposed of, one way or
> another. But hey..maybe the People will try it your way. Or some will.
>
>
> Gunner
>
right gomer, all we need to do is send a half dozen black gangstas from
chicago or new york and you shitheads would run in terror,
well, what constitutes running for an obese, fat ass hog, kind of a fast
waddle
Shall not be infringed
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So you claim to be in the mob and have a half-dozen black gangstas at
your disposal?
The Chicago mob isn't going to like you making bullshit claims.
Gunner Asch
Would you like your "gangstas" back complete or simply the skins?
Can you provide a return address and will you pay shipping?
Since you are so positive of your claim..one assumes that you will be
running along with them? Afterall...it is your claim..and it IS up to
you to back it up, right?
Please put your ID in your sock, so next of kin can be notified of your
passing.
Glenn...are you actually this stupid, or do you just act this way on
Usenet?
Gunner Asch
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:mcdt26hrf0rdakqhu...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:28:04 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> And some of the posters here were all wondering why Ive claimed that in
>> a couple years..the People will rise up and simply kill all the
>> Leftwingers like the person being replied to.
>>
>> As the time comes closer and closer to November..and the Left starts
>> shitting their pants as their candidates come closer and closer to being
>> booted out of office...watch their antics.
>>
>> And consider..if you could kill them..what method would you use....
>>
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
>ass gunner carrying on in his fantasy world again,
>
>hey goober keep in mind how easy it would be to kill all you hillbillies,
Which method would you propose?
>
>all we need to do is close down the KFC's and McDonalds,
>
Oddly enough..I dont spend any money at either place. The food sucks.
>you retards would starve to death,
>
>confiscate all the Budweiser and you'll die of thirst
I neither drink booze, nor do drugs. Which..unfortunately based on your
postings..you do far far too much of.
>
>close the gas stations and make you fat ass hillbillies walk and every
>street in confederate land
>would be littered with the bloated, rotting,obese bodies of you fat hogs
>
California is Confederate land?
Fascinating!
Gunner, who lives in the Red majority of California
http://fs.huntingdon.edu/jlewis/Outlines/BushCountyMapMandate.htm
Now dumbfuck troll...be gone.
<plink>
Strabo
They have. Corruption and opportunism are having their day and
a sad day it is.
But the confusion, disillusion and moral decline was inevitable. And
the Progressives/Liberals will insist on riding their rail to the
bitter end. By the time the depression is over, others will opt
for an American revival on a different track. So will Europe.
Given some plain talk and complex separation agreement, probably about
a fourth of the American states will retain their governance schemes
and rich ethnic diversity. The rest of us will reform as a
confederation. We'll trade with our former countrymen and keep them
contained through their travail, while we pursue life, liberty and
happiness without the damning effects of Madison's constitution.
Perhaps some of the European states will break out and try free
republics.
GlennR
lots of ignorant, stupid hillbillies in california gomer, just as there is a
hillbilly heaven in chicago,
up around wilson avenue
don't eat kfc and big macs ???
LMAO,
of course you do, think we don't know where you got that huge fat ass, or
those brain cells drowning in
fat and alcohol, we can tell when it's the booze and the cholesterol talking
goober, we have extensive experience with you loud mouth, fat ass, waddling,
crackers, rednecks, and other assorted brain damaged hillbillies
let me give you a clue gomer, don't run that big mouth in public, you can't
outrun those healthy, physically fit liberals,
the only thing in your favor is the difficulty they would have finding a
rope strong enough to hang your fat ass,
but I could be persuaded to supply some industrial strength cable and some
cable clamps, a chain hoist, and an old diesel tank to drop your bloated ass
in
and bury you
pray that there doesn't come a time when you're forced to back up that big
mouth with that fat ass,
your life expectancy would be counted on a stop watch
LMAO
Shall not be infringed
Which states do you see forming a confederaton?
Though Texas is best poised to leave the union, they have a huge
illegal problem and probably will become nothing more than baja Texas.
Gunner Asch
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326 Olive Ave
Taft, California, 93268
Please let me know at least 4 days before your arrival, so I can
schedule your visit.
Backhoe is filled with fuel, tires are good, everything is working
properly.
Ill be waiting
http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/Gunner#5230963781896124530
Ardently waiting for your arrival in fact.
Gunner
Shall not be infringed
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:22:09 -0500, "GlennR" <Gle...@teranews.com> wrote:
> >From: "GlennR" <Gle...@teranews.com>
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> >> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:42:10 -0500, "GlennR" <Gle...@teranews.com> wrote:
>
Dollar says Glenner's a no show.
Gunner Asch
Texas will solve their illegal problem the old fashioned Texas way..when
they finally have room to do so.
And illegals will be bulldozed into mass graves or shoved onto trains
and sent south by the hundreds of thousands.
Since the narcotrafficantes have started taking over the border..both
sides..a situation has arisen that can no longer be ignored..and one
that is not to be settled by "diplomacy"
Only force, pain and death will convince Mexico that their northern
border is no different than their southern border.
Shrug..its going to be a very interesting next couple years. The Great
Cull till seperate an awful lot of the wheat from the chaff..and fill a
very large number of mass graves.
Shrug again.
We do indeed...live in Interesting times.
Gunner Asch
Ill take your bet. Its obvious that Glenner is a truthful human being
(though wrong) and is a man of his word in all things and does/will
carry the courage of his convictions to the grave.
Right GlennR?
Gunner, fishing around in his pocket for a dollar to pay his loss.
Strabo
Can't say. You won't know until it happens.
>
> Though Texas is best poised to leave the union, they have a huge
> illegal problem and probably will become nothing more than baja Texas.
>
Texas was always a scratch border culture with autocratic pretensions.
With the exception of the Pennsylvanians, Tennesseans and Kentuckians
who fought the fop Santa Ana to a standstill, Texas didn't carry the
spirit of 1776. Had those brave and true men men lived to form the
republic, things would be different today.
With all its talk of freedom and independence just look at its
acceptance of the status quo. Austin is a mini version of
federalism.
However, there are real American Texicans and if they can rid themselves
of the layers of thieves and bullshit artists they can join the
confederation.
Strabo
> freeisbest <demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e63aa2b9-86e0-4109-
> 8211-bf8...@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 30, 12:55 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>> -snip-
>>> Wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>> And observing the Rethuglican party is the reason why sane
>> Americans have learned so very much from the Ten Thousand and One
>> Mistakes of Caliph Al-Dumbya.
>
>
> And that education continues in the Age of Obama.
>
Communism's Last Stand.
GlennR
"Strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
news:AErYn.6792$Hw....@newsfe10.iad...
not likely goober, if you hillbillies don't get your minds set right, then
we'all gonna have to bury your asses and make your children and
grandchildren live under communism
I mean, ifn yall insist on lining up to git on yer knees and suck off those
wealthy, fat ass corporate
bustards who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, and keep handing them
the keys to the treasury,
and the deeds to your asses, and you 1st and 2nd born to die for the oil
companies, then we gonna have to
step in and eliminate all of you
there is no future in rampant, greedy,inhuman and inhuman capitalism and
unrestrained free enterprise,
it leaves 80% of the population behind and they will kill you to get theirs
Shall not be infringed
> "Strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>
> news:AErYn.6792$Hw....@newsfe10.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > RD Sandman wrote:
> >> 8211-bf8484427...@a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> On Jun 30, 12:55 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
> >>> -snip-
> >>>> Wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others.
> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -
> >>> And observing the Rethuglican party is the reason why sane
> >>> Americans have learned so very much from the Ten Thousand and One
> >>> Mistakes of Caliph Al-Dumbya.
> >> And that education continues in the Age of Obama.
>
> > Communism's Last Stand.
>
> not likely goober, if you hillbillies don't get your minds set right, then
> we'all gonna have to bury your asses and make your children and
> grandchildren live under communism
>
> I mean, ifn yall insist on lining up to git on yer knees and suck off those
> wealthy, fat ass corporate
> bustards who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, and keep handing them
> the keys to the treasury,
> and the deeds to your asses, and you 1st and 2nd born to die for the oil
> companies, then we gonna have to
> step in and eliminate all of you
>
> there is no future in rampant, greedy,inhuman and inhuman capitalism and
> unrestrained free enterprise,
So you're joining the TEA pARTY?
pyotr filipivich
<NoS...@NoThanks.org> reported Elvis on Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:26:30
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
You forgot to tell me "Shiny Side Out".
toodles
pyotr filipivich
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>Which states do you see forming a confederaton?
>>
>>Though Texas is best poised to leave the union, they have a huge
>>illegal problem and probably will become nothing more than baja Texas.
>
>Texas will solve their illegal problem the old fashioned Texas way..when
>they finally have room to do so.
>
>And illegals will be bulldozed into mass graves or shoved onto trains
>and sent south by the hundreds of thousands.
>
>Since the narcotrafficantes have started taking over the border..both
>sides..a situation has arisen that can no longer be ignored..and one
>that is not to be settled by "diplomacy"
>
>Only force, pain and death will convince Mexico that their northern
>border is no different than their southern border.
And that "force, pain and death" may have to be aimed at some of
the damnyankees too.
Jeff M
The tinfoil hat types suffer from a different sort of mental illness.
They believe they are the victims of forces beyond their control.
Whereas you culler clowns fantasize about victimizing others beyond your
control. See the difference?
Gray Ghost
dn...@giganews.com:
Excellent, Jeff. More evidence that the deception plan is working. Yeah that's
it we're all kooks. There is no legitiamte reason to be angry at the feds.
--
"Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be
construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be
sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything
or nothing at pleasure."
—Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 1823