US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
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H E Sri A P J Abdul Kalam Azad,
Hon'ble President of India,
Rashtrapati Bhawan,
New Delhi.
Dt: 16.08.2006
Most Revered Sir,
Please accept my respectful pranam. I have been writing to you
regularly regarding our suspicion that vaccines, and their ingredients,
could be behind many of the autism related behavioral disorders and
also neurological problems in children. The vaccine manufacturers as
well as the US based CDC and FDA have been regularly denying this link.
Recently a CDC Official resigned presumably because he did not support
the coverup in this regard. And now the coverup has been exposed. As
per a US govt led investigation, as early as 1991 doctors have
expressed that the vaccine ingredients are a probable cause behind the
many incurable illnesses that confront children today.
Sir, even though we, the vaccine damage victims, have been very sure
about this coverup and have been pleading to our Health Ministry to
probe the vaccine - development disorders, autism link, and even though
we have always been cold shouldered, this report does shock us. We can
no longer have any faith upon the medical community now who have kept
quiet on facts that have harmed us and our children for the last one
hundred years or so.
In India too the doctors have often cautioned the Health Ministry about
the dangers of an indiscriminate mass vaccination procedure. They have
repeatedly pointed out that;
1. Vaccines are not the answers to epidemics,
2. Vaccines are an untested medical procedure,
3. Vaccine side effects have never been properly determined,
4. Vaccine ingredients are too toxic to be ignored,
5. Vaccines have caused the very disease they seek to prevent,
6. Vaccine may cause death and irreversible autoimmune disorders.
7. Pregnant women, sick children, underweight children, children of
parents
with autoimmune disorders, malnourished children should not be
vaccinated,
8. Mercury is not the only dangerous ingredient of vaccines, there are
other heavy
metals, carcinogenic compounds and other neurotoxins in vaccines
besides
the dangers of contaminated serum,
9. There should be a national database of vaccine damage victims,
10.Vaccine damage victims should be treated at government expenses, be
compensated and rehabilitated at government expense,
11.Doctors should be trained on how to treat vaccine damaged infants.
12. Vaccines should be given only in emergencies, to children in
immediate danger
and after obtaining the informed consent of parents.
13. Vaccines could be shifted to a more mature age to cause the least
possible
damage.
14. Vaccine advertisements should also specify the probable vaccine
after effects.
However, under pressure from the World Health Organisation, our Health
Ministry has never been able to really address these problems. The
attitude of the doctors who support vaccinations too is a factor that
has delayed a review of the vaccination policy.
Now that the truth stares us in the face I beg of you and appeal to you
on behalf of the millions of vaccine affected infants, and on behalf of
the future generation that will choose India as their destination, to
save us from this scourge. The children have no voice, their parents
are not educated on vaccine dangers, the doctors scare those who are
reluctant to vaccinate their children with imaginary and implausible
scenarios.
I feel our government can no longer remain silent on this issue, which
has even been taken up by some sections of the press, as the pressure
on them is mounting to reveal the truth. Therefore it will be better if
the government acts before it is put on the dock by the aggrieved
parents of the innocent victims.
I feel Sir, that you can do something to shake the government machinery
from its slumber. Otherwise we will no longer feel that we are citizen
of a democratic country, and that our leaders care for our welfare.
Most respectfully yours,
Jagannath Chatterjee,
Vaccine damage victim,
Health Reform Activist.
encl: Article a,a.
cc: Sri Dr Manmohan Singh, Hon'ble Prime Minister,
Madam Sonia Gandhi, Chairperson UPA,
Sri Somnath Chatterjee, Hon'ble Speaker, Lok Sabha,
Sri L K Advani, Leader of the Opposition,
Sri Dr Anbumani Ramadoss, Hon'ble Union Minister for Health &
Family Welfare,
Smt Panabaka Laxmi, State Minister for Health,
Sri P K Hota, Secretary, Department of Health,
The Secreatary, Department of Family Welfare,
The Director General, Health Services,
Director, Department of AYUSH,
Director, Central Council for Research in Homeopathy,
Director, Central Council of Homeopathy,
Hon'ble Chief Justice, Supreme Court of India,
Chairman, National Human Rights Commission,
Hon'ble Members, AutismIndia & India Developmental Disabilities.
Dr Leo Rebello, Director, Natural Health Center, Mumbai.
August 13, 2006 at 07:10:23
Government Investigation Finds Autism Vaccine Related
by Evelyn Pringle
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According to the most recent CDC estimates, one in 166 children in the
US suffers from an autistic disorder. Twenty years ago, autism only
affected one in 10,000 children.
For years now, studies have shown that exposure to mercury in childhood
vaccines, not only causes autism but can also result in immune,
sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to
traits associated with autism.
On May 21, 2003, after a three year investigation, "The Mercury in
Medicine Report" was released by the House Committee on Government
Reform, and stated in part:
"Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the
autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been
prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch
regarding a lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the
sharper eyes of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. The public
health agencies' failure to act is indicative of institutional
malfeasance for self protection and misplaced protectionism of the
pharmaceutical industry."
The Congressional report also said that the CDC, due to its "biases
against theories regarding vaccine-induced autism," had chosen to fund
researchers "who also worked for vaccine manufacturers to conduct
population-based immunologic studies. . ." and stated:
"The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program are
particularly conflicted in their duty to monitor the safety of
vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing
vaccines for resale as well as promoting increased immunization rates."
The autism epidemic cannot be denied. On February 15, 2005, the GAO,
released a Report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism,"
that revealed the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with
autism receiving special education services has increased more than
500% over the past 10 years.
In a transcript, obtained under the FOIA, of a secret meeting attended
by officials from the FDA and CDC in 2000, Pediatrician Bill Weil,
acknowledged the epidemic and stated, "There are just a host of
neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we've got a serious
problem.... The number of kids getting help in special education is
growing nationally and state by state at a rate we have not seen
before."
Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that was developed in the
1930s by Eli Lilly, and has been used regularly in vaccines ever since
basically to boost vaccine maker profits by allowing drug companies to
package vaccines in large containers instead of a single dose.
However, years ago children only received a small number of vaccines
that were injected with a period of time in between and one dose at a
time. Since 1988, the number of vaccines given to children before the
age of two has tripled.
Lisa Blakemore-Brown, a psychologist in the UK, has been investigating
the vaccine-autism link for years and says the reason the epidemic in
autism did not occur sooner is because before the 1990s children "were
given single vaccines with single amounts of mercury."
"But with the introduction of triple vaccines," she explains, "the
amount of mercury contained within the preservative was multiplied and
the cumulative effects are only just now being discovered by the
public."
Once the cumulative amount of thimerosal that children were receiving
through injections of 30-some odd vaccines was finally measured in
1999, the FDA discovered that infants were receiving more than 100
times the EPA's safe limit for mercury by 18 months.
Internal documents from the FDA and CDC show public health officials
knew about the increased mercury they were receiving at least since
1999. A June 29, 1999, email from FDA scientist, Peter Patriarca, to
the head of the CDC office on vaccine safety, warned that the FDA was
going to be criticized for being "'asleep at the switch' for decades by
allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood
vaccines and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new
products."
Mr Patriarca also pointed out that calculating the cumulative amount of
mercury in vaccines was not "rocket science" and involved only
ninth-grade math. He also noted the questions that agency officials
would likely be asked as:
"What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? Why didn't CDC and
the advisory bodies do these calculations when they rapidly expanded
the childhood immunization schedule?"
An internal company memo that surfaced in a lawsuit against vaccine
maker, Merck, proves the company knew infants were being injected with
unsafe amounts of thimerosal back in 1991.
The memo says a 6-month-old baby receiving shots on schedule would
receive mercury 87 times higher than established safety guidelines:
"If eight doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccine was given in the first
six months of life (3 DTP, 2 HIB, and 3 Hepatitis B) the 200 micrograms
of mercury given, say to an average size of 12 pounds, would be about
87 times the Swedish daily allowance of 2.3 micrograms for a baby of
that size."
On September 8, 2004, Dr William Egan, then acting Director of the
FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, told the House Government
Reform Committee that prior to the mercury reduction initiative in
vaccines, children may have received 187.5 micrograms of mercury by 6
month's of age through routine childhood vaccinations.
People often ask why some children become autistic when so many do not.
As a neurotoxin, thimerosal, has been linked to the depletion of the
protective anti-oxidant, glutathione, which helps rid the body of
mercury. People with autism seem to be more susceptible to this effect
and most have low levels of glutathione. Therefore, their bodies have
difficulty excreting mercury.
A December 2004 report by the independent Environmental Working Group
determined that autistic children have less glutathione than normal
children. The study, led by Dr Jill James, a professor of biochemistry
and pediatrics at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, said
a glutathione deficit "may contribute to the development and clinical
manifestation of autism."
In 1999, many drug companies claimed they were reducing the amount of
thimerosal in vaccines. Some even provided product inserts that claimed
that only a trace amount of mercury still existed in the final product.
Others even claimed to be producing vaccines that were completely
mercury-free.
For instance, a September 1999, press release by vaccine maker Merck
declared: "Now, Merck's infant vaccine line is free of all
preservatives."
However, On March 8, 2005, the LA Times reported that "Merck & Co
continued to supply infant vaccine containing a mercury preservative
for two years after declaring that it had eliminated the chemical."
In fact, Merck continued to distribute vaccines containing thimerosal
until October 2001, according to a June, 2003 letter from the FDA to
Congressman Dave Weldon (R-FL), a doctor by calling, in response to an
inquiry. Dr Weldon called what Merck did "misleading."
"You had people literally into 2002," he told the Times, "getting shots
with mercury, having been told it was all taken out in 1999."
To see if vaccines were indeed thimerosal free, last year the group,
Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI), sent four vials of
different vaccines to be tested for mercury content to Doctor's Data,
an independent lab, which specializes in heavy metal testing.
The tests found that all four contained mercury, despite the claim by 2
companies that their vaccines were completely mercury-free. According
to HAPI, all four vaccines also contained aluminum which greatly
increases the toxicity of mercury for causing neuronal death in the
brain.
In fact, during further investigation, HAPI discovered that thimerosal
was still being used during the production process for most vaccines.
The drug makers claim that after production, they filter the
preservative out of the final vaccines.
However, heavy metal expert, Dr Boyd Haley, PhD, the Chemistry
Department Chair at the University of Kentucky, told HAPI that its not
possible to remove all of the thimerosal because mercury binds to the
antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be filtered out completely.
Experts says, a drastic decline in autism has not been seen due to the
fact that the drug makers misled the public about when thimerosal was
actually eliminated from vaccines. Because the FDA has never ordered a
recall of the vaccines previously manufactured and shipped all over the
country, many mercury-laced vaccines remained in the inventories of
health care facilities and some had an expiration date as late as
September, 2005.
In addition, pregnant women and their unborn infants, are still being
injected with a full dose of thimerosal in flu vaccines. The CDC has
ignored the tremendous amount of scientific evidence documenting the
injuries from mercury-laced vaccines and has continued to recommend flu
vaccines for all pregnant women and children over 6 months old.
Back in 2002, the research team of David and Mark Geier, released a
study based on an analysis of tens of millions of vaccines given to
during the 1990s, and presented epidemiologic evidence that
demonstrated the association of the increase in thimerosal in vaccines
with neurodevelopmental disorders.
The Geier's analysis of the government's "Vaccine Adverse Events
Reporting System" database showed statistical increases in the
incidence rate of autism, mental retardation, and speech disorders in
children receiving thimerosal-containing diphtheria, tetanus, and
acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccines, when compared with those who
received thimerosal-free vaccines.
According to the Geiers, the usual course of DTaP vaccine consists of
primary immunizations administered at two, four, and six months,
followed up by booster shots at 18 months and five years.
By analyzing the database, the Geiers determined that there were a
total of 6575 adverse reaction reports with the DTaP
thimerosal-vaccines, compared to only 1516 adverse reaction reports
with thimerosal-free vaccines.
In one of their more recent studies in 2005, the Geiers assessed
thimerosal exposure in about 110,000 children and found a statistically
significant association between exposure to thimerosal and a host of
neurodevelopmental disorders including autism, tics, attention deficit
disorders, and speech and language delays.
The public remains largely unaware of the autism epidemic because
people hardly ever see autistic children out in the community. Aside
from taking the children to school, parents seldom take them anywhere
because of the difficulty of trying to control them outside of a
routine environment.
The increasingly number of children with this disorder is forcing
public school systems to provide more special education classrooms to
meet their needs. Autistics are the fastest-growing segment of special
ed students and schools lack the trained professionals with knowledge
of how to work with autistic children. Schools were caught completely
unprepared for this epidemic.
Unlike normal children, children with autism do not learn by watching
other people and must be taught even the simplest skills such as making
eye contact, waiting in line, following directions or how to hold a
conversation which often requires one-to-one mentoring.
Skills, behaviors and abilities vary with each child and about half of
autistic kids have few or no language skills. Some kids also suffer
from other problems that impair learning such as hearing loss or
epilepsy and many are not toilet trained.
In a program that serves Minneapolis students, each classroom usually
has 6 students and requires one licensed special ed teacher and two
special ed assistants. Toddler classrooms are smaller with 4 students
and require one licensed special ed teacher and one special ed
assistant.
Services by speech and language clinicians, occupational therapists,
social workers and adapted physical education teachers are also
available at each site based on student needs. And the educational
services reflect only part of the expense. Other costs include tuition
for summer school to help kids retain skills, transportation costs, and
psychological and behavioral evaluations.
In 2003, the California National School Board Association reported that
the number of autistic students in California had doubled over four
years and represented 13% of the state's student population of 20,377,
at a cost of up to $60,000 per student.
In July 2005, a San Mateo County California civil grand jury released a
report warning that increasing numbers of autistic children and the
high cost of their education was causing a significant drain of
resources for school districts.
The report said the number of autistics in the San Mateo county had
doubled since 2000, to more than 5,000, and the county needed to find
cheaper special ed alternatives since federal and state funding had not
kept up with spending.
The grand jury pointed to a pilot project at a school in San Bruno,
that paired four aides and one teacher with a small class and said it
was cheaper than one-on-one mentoring, which could cost $50,000 per
student.
In one year, the number of children treated for autism at centers
operated by the California Department of Developmental Services
increased 13% between 2003 and 2004. Autism now accounts for more than
half of the new cases handled at the centers, which treats various
developmental disorders, with the vast majority of cases being kids 13
and younger. The number of autistics treated at the centers rose from
5,000 in 1993, to more than 26,000 in 2005.
And the numbers are the same all across the nation. The Kentucky
Cabinet for Health and Family Services estimates that in 2006, about
25,000 Kentuckians have autism spectrum disorders, an increase from
about 1,500 in 1990.
The US Department of Education all total spends about $53 billion a
year on grades K-12 education. If the government provides $60,000 per
year to educate the currently identified school-age autistics, the tab
will run about $7 billion a year, or 13% of its entire budget. And each
year the costs will rise as the number of autistics entering the system
increases.
On December 10, 2002, Dr David Baskin, a neurosurgeon and Professor of
Neurosurgery and Anesthesiology at the Baylor College of Medicine,
testified at a Congressional Hearing and told the panel that most
autistic children will grow up and require lifelong care because they
cannot live independently. He described what he referred to as a
"horrible" fact and said:
"Over one-half will never speak. Many of them will never be able to
look at their parents and tell them they love them. It's worse than
Alzheimer's Disease. There's been a tremendous focus on Alzheimer's
Disease, but these children never had a chance to enjoy life before
they lost it."
According to Dr David Ayoub, author of the report, "Pregnancy and the
Myth of Influenza Vaccination-Is it safe, is it effective, is it
necessary?" government officials and vaccine makers are working hard to
keep the truth about vaccines and autism hidden because if they admit
guilt, it would mean they "have taken part in the largest iatrogenic
epidemic known to man."
"The fallout over admission of causality would be unprecedented," Dr
Ayoub said.
Dr Mark Geier is probably the most credentialed expert on vaccines in
the US. When he was 23, he corrected a genetic disorder in a tissue
culture, gaining distinction as one of the founders of genetic
engineering, and earning him front-page articles in the New York Times
and London Times, and a call from President Richard Nixon.
He holds an MD and a PhD in genetics from George Washington University
and spent ten years at the National Institutes of Health. After several
more years as a professor at Johns Hopkins University, he opened the
genetic laboratory and clinical practice that he co-owns today. He is
also a court-certified expert on vaccines. Based on his years of
research on autism he makes a statement similar to Dr Ayoub's.
"The current epidemic of autism may well be the greatest iatrogenic
epidemic in history. The damage already done to our society is already
in the trillions of dollars. The damage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks,
and that of the AIDS epidemic pale when compared to the current
epidemic of autism."
Eighty percent of autistics are under the age of 17. Soon states will
be forced to provide support for an enormous number of disabled adults.
Many autistics can not be left alone and must be looked after non-stop.
If the vaccine makers are not forced to pay for the damage they caused,
tax payers will be left to cover the entire expense of daily care and
housing as well as life-long medical treatment for this generation of
injured children.
As for the other reasons why officials within the FDA and CDC keep
denying the link between vaccines and autism, according to Congressman
Dave Weldon, "If it is eventually determined that an entire generation
of kids was essentially poisoned, a class-action suit against the
federal government could be on the order of hundreds of billions of
dollars, and so there's very good reason for them to try to cover this
up."
"And then when they appear as though they are covering it up," he says,
"it makes you suspicious that it's all true."
In the book, Evidence of Harm, award-winning author, David Kirby,
explains that "the stakes could not be higher. Perhaps billions of
dollars in litigation is pending against drug companies involved in
vaccine production. The deep pocketed pharmaceutical industry has
extended its financial largesse to politicians and scientists around
the country, in open pursuit of indemnity against lawsuits and, some
charge, in a darker effort to suppress evidence of thimerosal's
toxicity."
"The jury is still out on thimerosal, but deliberations are well under
way," Mr Kirby writes. "One side will emerge vindicated, and the other
will earn eternal scorn in the medical history books."
Evelyn Pringle
evelyn.pringle@...
Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and investigative
journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate
America
HCN
<jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> To:
>...> Evelyn Pringle
> evelyn.pringle@...
>
> Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and investigative
> journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate
> America
>
This is an OPINION piece written by someone who is often paid for by
ambulance chasing lawyers. If you look she is the author of most of these
"articles"
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles.html?area=Drugs%2FMedical ...
jagc...@yahoo.com
HCN wrote:
> This is an OPINION piece written by someone who is often paid for by
> ambulance chasing lawyers. If you look she is the author of most of these
> "articles"
> http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles.html?area=Drugs%2FMedical ...
She is not writing any oipinion here but quoting reports and people she
has interviewed.
Jagannath.
HCN
<jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If she did that, she would have posted the truth. Which was noted in:
http://newton.nap.edu/catalog/10997.html
Happy reading.
Mark Probert
She has very carefully written her articles to support her employers
desires to have large class action suits. Her articles are best
described as "sales hype".
Evelyn is being challenged to a debate on several blogs. So far, she has
refused, and asked to debate on internet radio stations.
Of course, the audience for those stations is minute, and, a blog leaves
a written record. Clearly, she is afraid of a written record before a
wider audience.
Ilena Rose
Head Quack Stephen Barrett has written his PRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, PRO
VACCINATION propaganda for ACSH ... long and proudly funded by the
Pharma / Chemo Industries ... he is so dishonest, he NEVER reveals
that his funders are paid by them.
Ms Pringle has provided an excellent overview of the NON INDUSTRY
publications on this matter ... are you suggesting that anyone who
doesn't goose step to the Chemo Industry Bandwagon should not have a
voice?
You and Probert seem to share the Magical Thinking that those injured
from vaccinations should just die and their families should just
accept their fate ... and not bother the poor Vac Industry with any
compensation.
Since being disbarred ... Probert apparently is now lobbying for the
PRO VACCINATION lawyers and in his infinite Con Med idiocy ... is
going to continue to attack anyone who supports the injured and their
rights.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html
Disbarred for good reason & Lies about his Disbarment while flacking
for Healthfrauds and Quacks
HCN
<jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> To:
> H E Sri A P J Abdul Kalam Azad,
> Hon'ble President of India,
> Rashtrapati Bhawan,
> New Delhi.
Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your country.
Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'
You might as well write your government requesting that they deport anyone
with a real medical degree, and only allow homeopathic doctors. That should
do really "good" things for the HIV/AIDS epidemic there:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1896372.cms
Mark Probert
"This eighth and final report of the Immunization Safety Review
Committee examines the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the
measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and thimerosal-containing vaccines,
are causally associated with autism. The committee reviewed the extant
published and unpublished epidemiological studies regarding causality
and studies of potential biologic mechanisms by which these
immunizations might cause autism. Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines
and Autism finds that the body of epidemiological evidence favors
rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing
vaccines and autism. The book further finds that potential biological
mechanisms for vaccine-induced autism that have been generated to date
are only theoretical. It recommends a public health response that fully
supports an array of vaccine safety activities and recommends that
available funding for autism research be channeled to the most promising
areas. The book makes additional recommendations regarding surveillance
and epidemiological research, clinical studies, and communication
related to these vaccine safety concerns. "
Which is precisely correct.
Mark Probert
I should also point out that I have never said that those parents of
children who have autism should just have their children die.
Further, as a special education advocate, I have helped families with
autistic children to secure all the services and support that is
available to them.
As for accepting their fate, yes, shit happens and sometimes a child is
not perfect. Get on with being the best parent you can be.
HCN
"Mark Probert" <markp...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Geez... you made it too easy for him. I wanted him to do some reading! :p
HCN
> Mark Probert wrote:
...>>>
Exactly... The blame game should be stopped. It takes away from real
research and educational resources (such as the early intervention
speech/language therapy two of my kids had to have).
Also, some of us have kids who have neurological damage from the actual
diseases. From HiB, to rotavirus to even measles. If anyone thinks that
getting rid of vaccines would lesson the number of disabled kids --- they
are sorely mistaken. All they have to do is look back in history, like for
instance the epidemic of just one disease (rubella) in the early 1960s:
http://www.sense.org.uk/publications/allpubs/rubella/RememberRubella.htm
This epidemic is one of the reasons for this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930323114/ (_Deaf Like Me_)
jagc...@yahoo.com
HCN wrote:
> Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your country.
> Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
> diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
> ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
> http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'
The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
struck by polio. It is widely known in India that the governments
persistence with the Oral Polio Vaccine that employs a live virus which
is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.
5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
have over the centuries.
Measles is a fully curable illness unless mismanaged. Getting the
measles is the best form of immunisation against further attack. We all
know how vaccines "fail".
How do you compare your above statistics with 1.74 MILLION autistic
children in India? Autism was unknown to India and has surfaced within
the last twenty years or so.
The deaths due to vaccines and vaccine damage statistics is not even
recorded in India. They could be in lakhs and millions. Almost all
children in India now suffer from ADHD and also various autoimmune
disorders unheard of even a decade back. We all know what is causing
this.
>
> You might as well write your government requesting that they deport anyone
> with a real medical degree, and only allow homeopathic doctors. That should
> do really "good" things for the HIV/AIDS epidemic there:
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1896372.cms
We will be very happy if the allopaths are driven out from India and
our entire medical system is handed over to ayurveds and homeopaths. We
have already suggested this to our government. The allopaths too are
sensing the mood and queing up for their holistic therapy degrees. By
the next decade we hope to see an allopathy free India.
Indians are aware by now about the many origins of AIDS and also the
foolishness to equate HIV with AIDS. Already the government has
cautioned that HIV patients should not be declared AIDS patients. They
have also said that no HIV test is really foolproof.
Jagannath.
HCN
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>
> HCN wrote:
>> Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your
>> country.
>> Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
>> diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
>> ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
>> http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'
>
> The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
> Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
> struck by polio.
Documentation?
It is widely known in India that the governments
> persistence with the Oral Polio Vaccine that employs a live virus which
> is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
> who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.
Documentation?
>
> 5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
> of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
> have over the centuries.
Documentation?
So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS? Is it
has "successful" as it was against syphillis?
Mark Probert
I did not think he would read it and post anything intelligent about it.
It surely kicks the crap out of the anti-vac liars claims.
Mark Probert
Not only that, kids KNOW that their parents feel that they are
broken/defective. It is a message that we parents have got to avoid making.
Jan Drew
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>
> Happy reading.
>
Jan Drew
vaccines.
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Rich
"Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in
> vaccines.
Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you
define "vested interest," Jan?
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Bryan Heit
> So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS? Is it
> has "successful" as it was against syphillis?
Based on the personalities of the anti-vax group, I think its pretty
obvious just how well it works for syphilis ;-)
Bryan
Peter Bowditch
>HCN /akaTDN
Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.
Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
--
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
HCN
"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am
not her.
HCN
"Bryan Heit" <bjh...@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Basically it is from the Organon:
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/organon/51.html which spells out
what some "miasms" are... here is a quote:
"Before commencing the treatment of a chronic disease, it is necessary to
make the most careful investigation1 as to whether the patient has had a
venereal infection (or an infection with condylomatous gonorrhoea); for then
the treatment must be directed towards this alone, when only the signs of
syphilis (or of the rarer condylomatous disease) are present, but this
disease is very seldom met with alone nowadays. If such infection have
previously occurred, this must also be borne in mind in the treatment of
those cases in which psora is present, because in them the latter is
complicated with the former, as is always the case when the symptoms are not
those of pure syphilis; for when the physician thinks he has a case of old
venereal disease before him, he has always, or almost always, to treat a
syphilitic affection accompanied mostly by (complicated with) psora, for the
internal itch dyscrasia (the psora) is far the most frequent (most certain)
fundamental cause of chronic diseases, either united (complicated) with
syphilis (or with sycosis), if the latter infections have avowedly occurred;
or, as is much more frequently the case, psora is the sole fundamental cause
of all other chronic maladies, whatever names they may bear, which are,
moreover, so often bungled, increased and disfigured to a monstrous extent
by allopathic unskillfulness."
So Hahnemann had guessed that there were "miasms" that caused the diseases.
Some of the more prevelent and nasty diseases were things like gonorrhoea
and syphillis (there is also "psora", which pretty much pertains to anything
that causes a rash). When you try to discuss the histrorical context of
these "miasms" (which we now know were caused by bacteria, and pretty much
can be cleared up with antibiotics... or preventive measures like vaccines
for rashed caused by the measles or smallpox viruses... or in the case of
"internal itch", vaginal yeast infections), and try to ask which is a better
treatment for syphillis (or gonorrhoea or even a vaginal yeast infection)...
those who are believers in homeopathy try to play word games claiming that
the "syphillis miasm" has nothing to do with the actual disease.
Yeah, right.
Jan Drew
"Rich" <jos...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hy7Fg.9124$1f6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest
>> in vaccines.
>
> Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you
> define "vested interest," Jan?
> --
>
>
> --Rich
>
>>and address the vested interest of the CDC and FDA and also the waviers,
> Aside form waving the words "vested interest" around, have you any shred
> of proof that anyone is on the take?
Sorry, we aren't talking about *ME*.
> If the FDA were the lapdog of the pharmaceutical industry, as you claim,
> why did they refuse ImClone's application?
DIVERSION SUPREME!!!
1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC
advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies
that
make vaccines.
(could this possible have a bearing on HOW they vote,,,,,TDN??)
2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents
for
vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee.
( could this be a factor is HOW they vote TDN??)
3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's
advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of
interest that were waived.
( Is this honest, TDN??)
4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory
committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the
vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members
who
all voted to license the product.
( do you wonder why, TDN??)
5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every
member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full
participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member,
whether
they have a financial stake in the decision or not.
(Same questions, TDN)
6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members
- no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the
childhood
immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member.
(Should parents be a part of this commitee, TDN??)
These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this
include:
Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and
became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee
as
well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines,
valued
at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr.
Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on
eight
different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including
recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children
program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest
himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock.
(WHY do you suppose he voted YES to all eight, TDN??)
At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he
holds
a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to
develop
this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical
industry
to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr.
Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three
rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the
rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program.
( piad by pharmaceurical industry,, does this tell you anything, TDN??)
Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory
committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full
waiver.
(WHY was she granted a full waiver, TDN??)
Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on
behalf
of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's
committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including
having
solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center.
As
a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the
opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts
to
be offering his personal opinion as well.
( Any question for this, TDN??)
Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000
of
stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the
board
of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of
stock.
This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was
granted.
To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because
he
holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine.
( well, well, why was he excluded, TDN??)
How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work
of
the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind
closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full
committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same
issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled
to
learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the
working
group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical
companies
developing rotavirus vaccines.
(see anything appalling there, TDN??)
How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug
Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory
committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines?
( can you answer this, TDN??)
How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the
number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers
must
be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of
vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving
simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years.
We
found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually
on
the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can
one
person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years?
(And this, TDN??)
It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services
has
become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on
conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose,
we
need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be
held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine
what needs to be done.
(Is the law to loose, TEN??)
Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a
government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State
governments
have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to
admission
to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the
recommendations
of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines.
I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of
industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine
learned
that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial
ties
to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most
stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent
editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the
industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers
can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and
remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the
part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This
attitude
can subtly influence scientific judgment."
Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to
self-interest than other people?
(please answer this, TDN!)
Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of
vaccine
development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and
Human
Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity
of
this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally
without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all
vaccine-related panels.
(is intregrity important, TDN??)
No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding
vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the
discussion
or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings
that
vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have
made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule
had
as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has
been
polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if
the
individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in
this
country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally
from
the decisions of the committees they served on.
(do you agree, TDN??)
Please answer EACH question.
Thanks,
Jan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0fbfed6a777339e6?hl=en&
Bravo!
(sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation,
i.m.o.)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/ec43d90d9b7c38c6?hl=en&
jagc...@yahoo.com
HCN wrote:
> Documentation?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh, so you need statistics? I don't need to give them because I am not
trying to prove and establish a lie.
You do not even reveal your name! What is HCN? First please reveal your
real identity along with "documentation". Are you one of those
(p)harmaceutical b(l)oggers?
Jagannath.
cathyb
jagc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> HCN wrote:
> > Documentation?
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eh, so you need statistics? I don't need to give them because I am not
> trying to prove and establish a lie.
You're being asked for evidence to back up your assertions, not
statistics. Your reluctance to provide it suggests that you are in fact
Mark Probert
This may be obscure for some...so be it...
Asked of Idi Amin....
Where is Dora Bloch....
Idi: Burp!
Mark Probert
Wow! What a Weasel!
HCN
<jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Wow... you want to know my name just because you don't want to link to news
articles that you indicated existed?
Here is what you said:
> The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
> Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
> struck by polio.
If it was probed by JOURNALISTS... you would think that there would be a
link to perhaps (and this is a stretch) a NEWSPAPER article!!!
Bryan Heit
> Bryan Heit wrote:
>> HCN wrote:
>>> So where is it documented that homeopathy is effective against AIDS?
>>> Is it has "successful" as it was against syphillis?
>>
>>
>> Based on the personalities of the anti-vax group, I think its pretty
>> obvious just how well it works for syphilis ;-)
>
> This may be obscure for some...so be it...
The people who the joke was intended for got it. That's all that really
matters...
Bryan
Jan Drew
"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/97b47f3618a86d11?hl=en&
DIVERSION SUPREME!!!
(Same questions, TDN)
(And this, TDN??)
(please answer this, TDN!)
(is intregrity important, TDN??)
(do you agree, TDN??)
Please answer EACH question.
Thanks,
Jan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0fbfed6a777339e6?hl=en&
Bravo!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/ec43d90d9b7c38c6?hl=en&
>
>>HCN /akaTDN
> --
> Peter Bowditch
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>
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
> news:0t9ae2l0vqhp6kvo9...@4ax.com...
>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>HCN /akaTDN
>
> I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
> Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
> am not her.
>Subject: Re: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: "D. C. Sessions"
>d...@lumbercartel.com Date: 7/30/02 9:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cro7ia.387...@news.lumbercartel.com>
>DEBBEE1023 wrote:
>> I am asking DC, as he has stated that he is an Engineer in his quote. I
>> do
>not
>> recall asking you the question, because I don't recall you ever stating
>> you were an Engineer...
>I did? Care to point out where?
Page after page, but here is just a few, who do you ask?? Think people are
too
stupid to look it up?
Jan
Thread:
Medical Control, Medical Corruption
In article <397A068E.473B8...@lumbercartel.com>,"D. C. & M. V. Sessions"
<d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>Now the question is, which is overpaid relative to the other? As an
>engineer,
I (dcs) have as much bias as you're likely to find, but there's no way I can
compare the people I work with to the ones who have taken care of my family.
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Jeff's run with the fox and hunt with the hounds.
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, uk.people.health
Date: 2001-03-04 09:30:18 PST
>I'm an engineer, Jim, not a doctor! Seriously, the scientific paradigm has
>had
a somewhat longer run in other fields, notably physics and chemistry.I'll
grant
that the application to the practical arts such as engineering and medicine
has
really only taken off int his cent
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: SOME SHOTS MAY BE BAD FOR YOUR CHILDREN ~ WashTimes
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids, health
Date: 2000-11-15 22:19:26 PST
Ileana wrote:
>and you're supposed to be one of the "scientists" ? ? ? Me? Nyah.
>Engineer. Patents, publications, pushingelectrons and holes
around. Wires and stuff. Logic,of course, is bread and butter in my field.
From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Ritalin class action suit
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/05/30
>It's been an interesting couple of weeks. (Disclaimer for those who don't
know me -- I'm an electronic engineer and volunteer emergency care tech.)
Two
weeks ago a customer, having trouble, asked to have an engineer come visit
to
troubleshoot. Common enough, but this one s in Europe.
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Cataracts
Newsgroups: sci.med, sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-11-06 08:36:03 PST
>Me, I don't pretend to be a scientist (never mind the business card.)I be
>an
engineer, and engineers are *professional* pessimists: it'sour job to deal
with
Murphy's Law. An engineer _must_ be convinced that there is a flaw in the
works somewhere, if she can only find it.Sometimes we fail to find it and
the
silly thing ships anyway.
From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Autism and Mercury
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/01/22
>Sounds pretty safe to me (and I'm an engineer, with the usual engineer's
preference for belts, suspenders, and velcro
From: steve_H (nma...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: microkernels, tannebaum, torvalds -- 'splain me please
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2002-07-18 06:54:24 PST
"D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
<news:j5a5ha...@news.lumbercartel.com>...> mlw wrote:> > "D. C.
Sessions"
wrote: > >> | An engineer is someone who will spend three hours
|>
>> | figuring out how to do a two-hour job in one hour.
|> > > > Which, by the way, is a good investment in time if you have to do
it
twice. >
> You might want to check your math.he is just rounding things up and down,
remember, he is an engineer nota scientist, so he does not have to be exact
with his calculations :)
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From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Recommendations about vaccines
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health
Date: 2000/05/04
So who's a physician? I are an engineer
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: Linux: where is the savings ?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2001-11-24 16:37:33 PST
>For all my griping about the idiotic IT policies of my employer,they have
>been
by far the best I have had in almost thirty years as an enginer
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: CDC 'action' on breastfeeding
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.pregnancy, sci.med
Date: 2002-07-07 13:06:53 PST
>The controls engineer in me wincesat the thought of a system like this, BTW
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: The placebo effect and muscle strength
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativ
Date: 2001-07-16 00:40:07 PST
>On the contrary, I *can* predict the results of conventional allergy
treatmentat least as well as I can predict the results of semiconductor
fabricationprocesses, or any other process subject to uncontrolled (often
truly
random,in the quantum mechanics sense) influences.
Search Result 4
From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: scientists don't know how vaccines work
Newsgroups: sci.med, misc.kids.health, misc.health.aids
Date: 2000-08-28 07:16:11 PST
>And yet -- semiconductor devices still work pretty well. (Andspeaking from
immediate personal experience, figuring out what's wrong with a design can
be a
bear thanks to minimal observability and controllability.)
>Please -- I don't want to ask you to trust me on this, but if you want
>toargue
it you really should learn a bit about semiconductor reliability physics.My
CV
on this is scattered around the Net (including the USPTO) if youwonder if I
know whereof I write.--
From: D. C. Sessions (d...@lumbercartel.com)
Subject: Re: winux vs lindows
Newsgroups: alt.linux.sux, comp.os.linux.advocacy
>My employer (arather large semiconductor company) has moved the reference
DAplatform where all of the integration work is done from HP-UX (still the
backbone of the working DA set)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f5c7b6ad3b1d2ffb?hl=en&
==
>Subject: Re: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: t...@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/2/02
>5:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id:
><BFF29.2$hu.104...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
>"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message .
>> Gail Chandler, a spokeswoman for TI, said that while TI and Raytheon
>> acknowledged environmental concerns at their site, most of the harm to
>> the Eagle site was caused by other businesses. She said the settlement
>> was not an admission that TI created the problem for Eagle.
>Well of course the company-paid spokeslady would say that . . . fact is,
>though, the jury came back with a verdict against TI and with a $21 million
>penalty. BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution
>unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . . Sounds like
>you're being an apologist for TI . . . --Tock
You got it, but there is more. TDN is a friend of DC Sessions,,,,,,,and a
brainwashed member of organized medicine. She was busy defending those who
have
vested interests in vaccines, and are members of the CDC and FDA.
That's A OK,,,,,,,,,,but, watch her attack any MLM or anyone who
sells,,,,,,,,,,
==
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0eee7e2ec28ce8f3?hl=en&
<t...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution
> unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . .
Solvents are NOT unique to semiconductor manufacturing ... they
are used in painting, dry cleaning, furniture stripping, etc.
Tsu Dho Nimh
==
Mon, Sep 22 2003 7:57 am
Email: Tsu Dho Nimh <tsudhon...@lumbercartel.com
Jan Drew
"HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> <jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155739222....@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>> To:
>> H E Sri A P J Abdul Kalam Azad,
>> Hon'ble President of India,
>> Rashtrapati Bhawan,
>> New Delhi.
To:
H E Sri A P J Abdul Kalam Azad,
Hon'ble President of India,
Rashtrapati Bhawan,
New Delhi.
Dt: 16.08.2006
Most Revered Sir,
Please accept my respectful pranam. I have been writing to you
regularly regarding our suspicion that vaccines, and their ingredients,
could be behind many of the autism related behavioral disorders and
also neurological problems in children. The vaccine manufacturers as
well as the US based CDC and FDA have been regularly denying this link.
Recently a CDC Official resigned presumably because he did not support
the coverup in this regard. And now the coverup has been exposed. As
per a US govt led investigation, as early as 1991 doctors have
expressed that the vaccine ingredients are a probable cause behind the
many incurable illnesses that confront children today.
Sir, even though we, the vaccine damage victims, have been very sure
about this coverup and have been pleading to our Health Ministry to
probe the vaccine - development disorders, autism link, and even though
we have always been cold shouldered, this report does shock us. We can
no longer have any faith upon the medical community now who have kept
quiet on facts that have harmed us and our children for the last one
hundred years or so.
In India too the doctors have often cautioned the Health Ministry about
the dangers of an indiscriminate mass vaccination procedure. They have
repeatedly pointed out that;
1. Vaccines are not the answers to epidemics,
2. Vaccines are an untested medical procedure,
3. Vaccine side effects have never been properly determined,
4. Vaccine ingredients are too toxic to be ignored,
5. Vaccines have caused the very disease they seek to prevent,
6. Vaccine may cause death and irreversible autoimmune disorders.
7. Pregnant women, sick children, underweight children, children of
parents
with autoimmune disorders, malnourished children should not be
vaccinated,
8. Mercury is not the only dangerous ingredient of vaccines, there are
other heavy
metals, carcinogenic compounds and other neurotoxins in vaccines
besides
the dangers of contaminated serum,
9. There should be a national database of vaccine damage victims,
10.Vaccine damage victims should be treated at government expenses, be
compensated and rehabilitated at government expense,
11.Doctors should be trained on how to treat vaccine damaged infants.
12. Vaccines should be given only in emergencies, to children in
immediate danger
and after obtaining the informed consent of parents.
13. Vaccines could be shifted to a more mature age to cause the least
possible
damage.
14. Vaccine advertisements should also specify the probable vaccine
after effects.
However, under pressure from the World Health Organisation, our Health
Ministry has never been able to really address these problems. The
attitude of the doctors who support vaccinations too is a factor that
has delayed a review of the vaccination policy.
Now that the truth stares us in the face I beg of you and appeal to you
on behalf of the millions of vaccine affected infants, and on behalf of
the future generation that will choose India as their destination, to
save us from this scourge. The children have no voice, their parents
are not educated on vaccine dangers, the doctors scare those who are
reluctant to vaccinate their children with imaginary and implausible
scenarios.
I feel our government can no longer remain silent on this issue, which
has even been taken up by some sections of the press, as the pressure
on them is mounting to reveal the truth. Therefore it will be better if
the government acts before it is put on the dock by the aggrieved
parents of the innocent victims.
I feel Sir, that you can do something to shake the government machinery
from its slumber. Otherwise we will no longer feel that we are citizen
of a democratic country, and that our leaders care for our welfare.
Most respectfully yours,
Jagannath Chatterjee,
Vaccine damage victim,
Health Reform Activist.
encl: Article a,a.
cc: Sri Dr Manmohan Singh, Hon'ble Prime Minister,
Madam Sonia Gandhi, Chairperson UPA,
Sri Somnath Chatterjee, Hon'ble Speaker, Lok Sabha,
Sri L K Advani, Leader of the Opposition,
Sri Dr Anbumani Ramadoss, Hon'ble Union Minister for Health &
Family Welfare,
Smt Panabaka Laxmi, State Minister for Health,
Sri P K Hota, Secretary, Department of Health,
The Secreatary, Department of Family Welfare,
The Director General, Health Services,
Director, Department of AYUSH,
Director, Central Council for Research in Homeopathy,
Director, Central Council of Homeopathy,
Hon'ble Chief Justice, Supreme Court of India,
Chairman, National Human Rights Commission,
Hon'ble Members, AutismIndia & India Developmental Disabilities.
Dr Leo Rebello, Director, Natural Health Center, Mumbai.
August 13, 2006 at 07:10:23
Government Investigation Finds Autism Vaccine Related
by Evelyn Pringle
http://www.opednews.com
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_evelyn_p_060813_government_investiga.htm
According to the most recent CDC estimates, one in 166 children in the
US suffers from an autistic disorder. Twenty years ago, autism only
affected one in 10,000 children.
For years now, studies have shown that exposure to mercury in childhood
vaccines, not only causes autism but can also result in immune,
sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to
traits associated with autism.
On May 21, 2003, after a three year investigation, "The Mercury in
Medicine Report" was released by the House Committee on Government
Reform, and stated in part:
"Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is likely related to the
autism epidemic. This epidemic in all probability may have been
prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch
regarding a lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal and the
sharper eyes of infant exposure to this known neurotoxin. The public
health agencies' failure to act is indicative of institutional
malfeasance for self protection and misplaced protectionism of the
pharmaceutical industry."
The Congressional report also said that the CDC, due to its "biases
against theories regarding vaccine-induced autism," had chosen to fund
researchers "who also worked for vaccine manufacturers to conduct
population-based immunologic studies. . ." and stated:
"The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program are
particularly conflicted in their duty to monitor the safety of
vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing
vaccines for resale as well as promoting increased immunization rates."
The autism epidemic cannot be denied. On February 15, 2005, the GAO,
released a Report titled, "Special Education Children With Autism,"
that revealed the number of children ages 6 through 21 diagnosed with
autism receiving special education services has increased more than
500% over the past 10 years.
In a transcript, obtained under the FOIA, of a secret meeting attended
by officials from the FDA and CDC in 2000, Pediatrician Bill Weil,
acknowledged the epidemic and stated, "There are just a host of
neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we've got a serious
problem.... The number of kids getting help in special education is
growing nationally and state by state at a rate we have not seen
before."
Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that was developed in the
1930s by Eli Lilly, and has been used regularly in vaccines ever since
basically to boost vaccine maker profits by allowing drug companies to
package vaccines in large containers instead of a single dose.
However, years ago children only received a small number of vaccines
that were injected with a period of time in between and one dose at a
time. Since 1988, the number of vaccines given to children before the
age of two has tripled.
Lisa Blakemore-Brown, a psychologist in the UK, has been investigating
the vaccine-autism link for years and says the reason the epidemic in
autism did not occur sooner is because before the 1990s children "were
given single vaccines with single amounts of mercury."
"But with the introduction of triple vaccines," she explains, "the
amount of mercury contained within the preservative was multiplied and
the cumulative effects are only just now being discovered by the
public."
Once the cumulative amount of thimerosal that children were receiving
through injections of 30-some odd vaccines was finally measured in
1999, the FDA discovered that infants were receiving more than 100
times the EPA's safe limit for mercury by 18 months.
Internal documents from the FDA and CDC show public health officials
knew about the increased mercury they were receiving at least since
1999. A June 29, 1999, email from FDA scientist, Peter Patriarca, to
the head of the CDC office on vaccine safety, warned that the FDA was
going to be criticized for being "'asleep at the switch' for decades by
allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood
vaccines and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new
products."
Mr Patriarca also pointed out that calculating the cumulative amount of
mercury in vaccines was not "rocket science" and involved only
ninth-grade math. He also noted the questions that agency officials
would likely be asked as:
"What took the FDA so long to do the calculations? Why didn't CDC and
the advisory bodies do these calculations when they rapidly expanded
the childhood immunization schedule?"
An internal company memo that surfaced in a lawsuit against vaccine
maker, Merck, proves the company knew infants were being injected with
unsafe amounts of thimerosal back in 1991.
The memo says a 6-month-old baby receiving shots on schedule would
receive mercury 87 times higher than established safety guidelines:
"If eight doses of Thimerosal-containing vaccine was given in the first
six months of life (3 DTP, 2 HIB, and 3 Hepatitis B) the 200 micrograms
of mercury given, say to an average size of 12 pounds, would be about
87 times the Swedish daily allowance of 2.3 micrograms for a baby of
that size."
On September 8, 2004, Dr William Egan, then acting Director of the
FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, told the House Government
Reform Committee that prior to the mercury reduction initiative in
vaccines, children may have received 187.5 micrograms of mercury by 6
month's of age through routine childhood vaccinations.
People often ask why some children become autistic when so many do not.
As a neurotoxin, thimerosal, has been linked to the depletion of the
protective anti-oxidant, glutathione, which helps rid the body of
mercury. People with autism seem to be more susceptible to this effect
and most have low levels of glutathione. Therefore, their bodies have
difficulty excreting mercury.
A December 2004 report by the independent Environmental Working Group
determined that autistic children have less glutathione than normal
children. The study, led by Dr Jill James, a professor of biochemistry
and pediatrics at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, said
a glutathione deficit "may contribute to the development and clinical
manifestation of autism."
In 1999, many drug companies claimed they were reducing the amount of
thimerosal in vaccines. Some even provided product inserts that claimed
that only a trace amount of mercury still existed in the final product.
Others even claimed to be producing vaccines that were completely
mercury-free.
For instance, a September 1999, press release by vaccine maker Merck
declared: "Now, Merck's infant vaccine line is free of all
preservatives."
However, On March 8, 2005, the LA Times reported that "Merck & Co
continued to supply infant vaccine containing a mercury preservative
for two years after declaring that it had eliminated the chemical."
In fact, Merck continued to distribute vaccines containing thimerosal
until October 2001, according to a June, 2003 letter from the FDA to
Congressman Dave Weldon (R-FL), a doctor by calling, in response to an
inquiry. Dr Weldon called what Merck did "misleading."
"You had people literally into 2002," he told the Times, "getting shots
with mercury, having been told it was all taken out in 1999."
To see if vaccines were indeed thimerosal free, last year the group,
Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI), sent four vials of
different vaccines to be tested for mercury content to Doctor's Data,
an independent lab, which specializes in heavy metal testing.
The tests found that all four contained mercury, despite the claim by 2
companies that their vaccines were completely mercury-free. According
to HAPI, all four vaccines also contained aluminum which greatly
increases the toxicity of mercury for causing neuronal death in the
brain.
In fact, during further investigation, HAPI discovered that thimerosal
was still being used during the production process for most vaccines.
The drug makers claim that after production, they filter the
preservative out of the final vaccines.
However, heavy metal expert, Dr Boyd Haley, PhD, the Chemistry
Department Chair at the University of Kentucky, told HAPI that its not
possible to remove all of the thimerosal because mercury binds to the
antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be filtered out completely.
Experts says, a drastic decline in autism has not been seen due to the
fact that the drug makers misled the public about when thimerosal was
actually eliminated from vaccines. Because the FDA has never ordered a
recall of the vaccines previously manufactured and shipped all over the
country, many mercury-laced vaccines remained in the inventories of
health care facilities and some had an expiration date as late as
September, 2005.
In addition, pregnant women and their unborn infants, are still being
injected with a full dose of thimerosal in flu vaccines. The CDC has
ignored the tremendous amount of scientific evidence documenting the
injuries from mercury-laced vaccines and has continued to recommend flu
vaccines for all pregnant women and children over 6 months old.
Back in 2002, the research team of David and Mark Geier, released a
study based on an analysis of tens of millions of vaccines given to
during the 1990s, and presented epidemiologic evidence that
demonstrated the association of the increase in thimerosal in vaccines
with neurodevelopmental disorders.
The Geier's analysis of the government's "Vaccine Adverse Events
Reporting System" database showed statistical increases in the
incidence rate of autism, mental retardation, and speech disorders in
children receiving thimerosal-containing diphtheria, tetanus, and
acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccines, when compared with those who
received thimerosal-free vaccines.
According to the Geiers, the usual course of DTaP vaccine consists of
primary immunizations administered at two, four, and six months,
followed up by booster shots at 18 months and five years.
By analyzing the database, the Geiers determined that there were a
total of 6575 adverse reaction reports with the DTaP
thimerosal-vaccines, compared to only 1516 adverse reaction reports
with thimerosal-free vaccines.
In one of their more recent studies in 2005, the Geiers assessed
thimerosal exposure in about 110,000 children and found a statistically
significant association between exposure to thimerosal and a host of
neurodevelopmental disorders including autism, tics, attention deficit
disorders, and speech and language delays.
The public remains largely unaware of the autism epidemic because
people hardly ever see autistic children out in the community. Aside
from taking the children to school, parents seldom take them anywhere
because of the difficulty of trying to control them outside of a
routine environment.
The increasingly number of children with this disorder is forcing
public school systems to provide more special education classrooms to
meet their needs. Autistics are the fastest-growing segment of special
ed students and schools lack the trained professionals with knowledge
of how to work with autistic children. Schools were caught completely
unprepared for this epidemic.
Unlike normal children, children with autism do not learn by watching
other people and must be taught even the simplest skills such as making
eye contact, waiting in line, following directions or how to hold a
conversation which often requires one-to-one mentoring.
Skills, behaviors and abilities vary with each child and about half of
autistic kids have few or no language skills. Some kids also suffer
from other problems that impair learning such as hearing loss or
epilepsy and many are not toilet trained.
In a program that serves Minneapolis students, each classroom usually
has 6 students and requires one licensed special ed teacher and two
special ed assistants. Toddler classrooms are smaller with 4 students
and require one licensed special ed teacher and one special ed
assistant.
Services by speech and language clinicians, occupational therapists,
social workers and adapted physical education teachers are also
available at each site based on student needs. And the educational
services reflect only part of the expense. Other costs include tuition
for summer school to help kids retain skills, transportation costs, and
psychological and behavioral evaluations.
In 2003, the California National School Board Association reported that
the number of autistic students in California had doubled over four
years and represented 13% of the state's student population of 20,377,
at a cost of up to $60,000 per student.
In July 2005, a San Mateo County California civil grand jury released a
report warning that increasing numbers of autistic children and the
high cost of their education was causing a significant drain of
resources for school districts.
The report said the number of autistics in the San Mateo county had
doubled since 2000, to more than 5,000, and the county needed to find
cheaper special ed alternatives since federal and state funding had not
kept up with spending.
The grand jury pointed to a pilot project at a school in San Bruno,
that paired four aides and one teacher with a small class and said it
was cheaper than one-on-one mentoring, which could cost $50,000 per
student.
In one year, the number of children treated for autism at centers
operated by the California Department of Developmental Services
increased 13% between 2003 and 2004. Autism now accounts for more than
half of the new cases handled at the centers, which treats various
developmental disorders, with the vast majority of cases being kids 13
and younger. The number of autistics treated at the centers rose from
5,000 in 1993, to more than 26,000 in 2005.
And the numbers are the same all across the nation. The Kentucky
Cabinet for Health and Family Services estimates that in 2006, about
25,000 Kentuckians have autism spectrum disorders, an increase from
about 1,500 in 1990.
The US Department of Education all total spends about $53 billion a
year on grades K-12 education. If the government provides $60,000 per
year to educate the currently identified school-age autistics, the tab
will run about $7 billion a year, or 13% of its entire budget. And each
year the costs will rise as the number of autistics entering the system
increases.
On December 10, 2002, Dr David Baskin, a neurosurgeon and Professor of
Neurosurgery and Anesthesiology at the Baylor College of Medicine,
testified at a Congressional Hearing and told the panel that most
autistic children will grow up and require lifelong care because they
cannot live independently. He described what he referred to as a
"horrible" fact and said:
"Over one-half will never speak. Many of them will never be able to
look at their parents and tell them they love them. It's worse than
Alzheimer's Disease. There's been a tremendous focus on Alzheimer's
Disease, but these children never had a chance to enjoy life before
they lost it."
According to Dr David Ayoub, author of the report, "Pregnancy and the
Myth of Influenza Vaccination-Is it safe, is it effective, is it
necessary?" government officials and vaccine makers are working hard to
keep the truth about vaccines and autism hidden because if they admit
guilt, it would mean they "have taken part in the largest iatrogenic
epidemic known to man."
"The fallout over admission of causality would be unprecedented," Dr
Ayoub said.
Dr Mark Geier is probably the most credentialed expert on vaccines in
the US. When he was 23, he corrected a genetic disorder in a tissue
culture, gaining distinction as one of the founders of genetic
engineering, and earning him front-page articles in the New York Times
and London Times, and a call from President Richard Nixon.
He holds an MD and a PhD in genetics from George Washington University
and spent ten years at the National Institutes of Health. After several
more years as a professor at Johns Hopkins University, he opened the
genetic laboratory and clinical practice that he co-owns today. He is
also a court-certified expert on vaccines. Based on his years of
research on autism he makes a statement similar to Dr Ayoub's.
"The current epidemic of autism may well be the greatest iatrogenic
epidemic in history. The damage already done to our society is already
in the trillions of dollars. The damage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks,
and that of the AIDS epidemic pale when compared to the current
epidemic of autism."
Eighty percent of autistics are under the age of 17. Soon states will
be forced to provide support for an enormous number of disabled adults.
Many autistics can not be left alone and must be looked after non-stop.
If the vaccine makers are not forced to pay for the damage they caused,
tax payers will be left to cover the entire expense of daily care and
housing as well as life-long medical treatment for this generation of
injured children.
As for the other reasons why officials within the FDA and CDC keep
denying the link between vaccines and autism, according to Congressman
Dave Weldon, "If it is eventually determined that an entire generation
of kids was essentially poisoned, a class-action suit against the
federal government could be on the order of hundreds of billions of
dollars, and so there's very good reason for them to try to cover this
up."
"And then when they appear as though they are covering it up," he says,
"it makes you suspicious that it's all true."
In the book, Evidence of Harm, award-winning author, David Kirby,
explains that "the stakes could not be higher. Perhaps billions of
dollars in litigation is pending against drug companies involved in
vaccine production. The deep pocketed pharmaceutical industry has
extended its financial largesse to politicians and scientists around
the country, in open pursuit of indemnity against lawsuits and, some
charge, in a darker effort to suppress evidence of thimerosal's
toxicity."
"The jury is still out on thimerosal, but deliberations are well under
way," Mr Kirby writes. "One side will emerge vindicated, and the other
will earn eternal scorn in the medical history books."
Evelyn Pringle
evelyn.pringle@...
Evelyn Pringle is a columnist for OpEd News and investigative
journalist focused on exposing corruption in government and corporate
America
> ....
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>
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Jan Drew
ROTFLOL!!
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In article <3A86BD82.85718...@concentric.net>,
"Magi D. Shepley" <m...@catsincyberspace.concentric.net> wrote:
> What is a Ritalin program, Gary? I don't prescribe medication. In
fact, I
> honestly couldn't tell you if any of my students TAKE medication
except for two...
> one boy has a baclofen pump for spasticity
Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday). It is a remarkable
program.
I liked it so much I bought stock in the company. Even bought Noah ten
shares.
It has split twice since then and is doing great, just like Noah.
Their newest product, used to treat urinary incontinence in women, has
a great side effect: orgasms.
AllNaturalBaby
about vaccines and what they really do. It mentions the HIV/AIDs and
the connection to San Francisco. You might find it an interesting
read. I feel for anyone who gets really sick. There was a study of
people vaccinated for the measles in a town. Where 98% of the
vaccinated people ended up getting the measles and the people who
weren't vaccinated did not get the measles. It's in the book.
Vaccinated does mean you are immune to a disease.
Have you ever wondered where all of the money for cancer and AIDs is
really going? Did you know that there was a cure found for cancer by a
man in the 1930s and he unfortunately "died" soon after it was
discovered? I'll look it up, I forget his name.
Do you ever wonder why in all of these years and dollars, that not one
disease has been cured?
I don't any more.
HCN wrote:
> <jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155739222....@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > To:
> > H E Sri A P J Abdul Kalam Azad,
> > Hon'ble President of India,
> > Rashtrapati Bhawan,
> > New Delhi.
> ....
>
> Like the vaccines cause less damage then the actual disease in your country.
> Try talking to the over 60 victims of polio, the over 5000 who had
> diptheria, and the over 30 thousand who had measles in India last year...
> ask them if they would rather had a vaccine instead:
> http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='ind'
>
Jeff
"AllNaturalBaby" <ju...@allnaturalbaby.com> wrote in message
news:1155953394.1...@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Have you read the book "Sanctity of Human Blood"? It is a factual book
> about vaccines and what they really do. It mentions the HIV/AIDs and
> the connection to San Francisco. You might find it an interesting
> read. I feel for anyone who gets really sick. There was a study of
> people vaccinated for the measles in a town. Where 98% of the
> vaccinated people ended up getting the measles and the people who
> weren't vaccinated did not get the measles. It's in the book.
> Vaccinated does mean you are immune to a disease.
> Have you ever wondered where all of the money for cancer and AIDs is
> really going?
Have you wondered why the book you mention is not available at
barnesandnoble.com?
> Did you know that there was a cure found for cancer by a
> man in the 1930s and he unfortunately "died" soon after it was
> discovered?
What do you "died"? Are you suggesting that he is still alive?
> I'll look it up, I forget his name.
> Do you ever wonder why in all of these years and dollars, that not one
> disease has been cured?
What do you mean not one disease has been cured? Most cases of cancer are
now cured. Infections are cured.
Jan Drew
Reposting S P A M.
That she Hates...................................
>
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
> news:0t9ae2l0vqhp6kvo9...@4ax.com...
>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>HCN /akaTDN
>
> I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
> Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
> am not her.
>
>>
>> Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
>> that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
>> the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
>> which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.
Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has.
>>
>> Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
>> --
>> Peter Bowditch
I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks!
>
>
Peter Bowditch
>
>"HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:nK2dnVN0AYxF3njZ...@comcast.com...
>
>Reposting S P A M.
>
>That she Hates...................................
>
>
>>
>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>> news:0t9ae2l0vqhp6kvo9...@4ax.com...
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>HCN /akaTDN
>>
>> I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
>> Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
>> am not her.
>>
>>>
>>> Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh,
>>> that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are
>>> the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick
>>> which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person.
>
>Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has.
Did you notice the word "another" in my first question? That means
that I was talking about SOMEONE ELSE.
Did I mention the number of children that HCN has, Jan? No, I didn't.
I was referring to the way that you have accused SOMEONE ELSE of using
a false name and part of the evidence was that the SOMEONE ELSE had
four children, just like the person whom you accused her of being.
I realise that English is difficult for you, but even you should have
been able to detect the allusion in what I wrote.
>>>
>>> Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look?
>>> --
>>> Peter Bowditch
>
>I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks!
Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?
Peter Bowditch
>
>"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Can everyone see how it looked like Jan was replying to me. She
wasn't.
<snip kilobytes of drivel>
Peter Bowditch
>Have you read the book "Sanctity of Human Blood"?
Have you read the book "Spot the Dog"?
> It is a factual book
>about vaccines and what they really do.
It is a book which is just as factual as "The Sanctity of Human Blood"
but is written for an audience with a higher level of comprehension of
how the world operates.
<snip lies>
jagc...@yahoo.com
Hello (P)harmaceutical B(l)ogger HCN,
Here is your "documentation"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www/ibnlive.com/article.php?id=7992§ion_id=3
Only vaccination will not curb polio
Meetu Jain
CNN-IBN
Shan-e-Ali had been given 15 doses of polio vaccine since his birth,
yet he
suffers from polio. Moradabad: Shan-e-Ali had been given 15 doses of
polio
vaccine since his birth. There was no chance that he would suffer from
polio. However, the one-and-a-half-year-old is now paralysed below the
waist.
"He didn't miss it a single time," says Shan-e-Ali's mother, Shannu.
What is surprising is that all the cases of polio that have been
detected in
India in the past few years, have contracted it despite being
vaccinated.
The polio vaccine is meant to target three strains of polio - P1, P2
and P3.
In 2005, 66 new cases of polio were detected, 62 of which were of the
P1
strain.
It was then that the government introduced the monovalent vaccine,
which
targets this particular strain. But despite the introduction of the new
vaccine, 16 new cases of polio were detected in 2006. All of these were
of
the P1 type.
"In the areas where these cases were detected, we have not been given
the
monovalent vaccine and now the problem is not there anymore," Health
Minister, Dr Anbumani Ramadoss said.
Most of the cases of polio are reported from the high risk endemic
areas of
UP and Bihar. This is a clear indicator of the fact that in the
effectiveness of the vaccine is under question where issues of
nutrition and
sanitation are not being addressed alongside.
Associate Professor, JNU Ritu Priya, says, "You need a twin approach.
Vaccination plus sanitation, nutrition and clean drinking water. Only
vaccination will not curb polio."
More than Rs 3,000 crore have already been spent on the pulse polio
programme. India has pushed the target of complete polio eradication by
a
year to 2007. But the question is - will this deadline be met?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
cathyb
Or perhaps not. You were asked to document the following claims:
"> The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
> Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
> struck by polio.
Documentation?
> It is widely known in India that the governments persistence with the Oral Polio
> Vaccine that employs a live virus which
> is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
> who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.
Documentation?
> 5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
> of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
> have over the centuries.
Documentation? "
In the following bizarre story, you haven't documented a single one of
those claims, although it does claim that kids are being vaccinated
against polio 15 times before they are one-and-a-half years old.
Try to provide some evidence of the claims you have actually made,
rather than producing more nonsense.
Jan Drew
"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:nK2dnVN0AYxF3njZ...@comcast.com...
>>
>>Reposting S P A M.
>>
>>That she Hates...................................
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Peter Bowditch" wrote:
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>HCN /akaTDN
>>>
>>> I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do
>>> Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I
>>> am not her.
Tsu Dho Nimh
abac...@hotmail.com
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/97b47f3618...
DIVERSION SUPREME!!!
(Same questions, TDN)
(And this, TDN??)
(please answer this, TDN!)
(is intregrity important, TDN??)
(do you agree, TDN??)
Please answer EACH question.
Thanks,
Jan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0fbfed6a77...
Bravo!
(sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation,
i.m.o.)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/ec43d90d9b...
[ ]
> --
> Peter Bowditch
Jan Drew
"cathyb" <cathyb...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1155991437.0...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
jagc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello (P)harmaceutical B(l)ogger HCN,
>
> Here is your "documentation"
Or perhaps not. You were asked to document the following claims:
"> The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
> Nearly all these children have been immunised prior to their being
> struck by polio.
Documentation?
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=5734800
> It is widely known in India that the governments persistence with the
> Oral Polio
> Vaccine that employs a live virus which
> is causing the problem. There are cases of children of entire villages
> who have "polio like" symptoms after having received the drops.
Documentation?
http://groups.google.sh/group/sci.med/msg/9c4cd2b3015e86ee?hl=en&
> 5000 diptheria cases is not even a dot if you consider the population
> of India. Properly treated Indian children survive diptheria as they
> have over the centuries.
Documentation? "
http://groups.google.sh/group/sci.med/msg/9c4cd2b3015e86ee?hl=en&
In the following bizarre story, you haven't documented a single one of
those claims, although it does claim that kids are being vaccinated
against polio 15 times before they are one-and-a-half years old.
Try to provide some evidence of the claims you have actually made,
rather than producing more nonsense.
==
Proven liar. About state licensed daycare centers regulations--[while YOU
were harassing].
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/271e489e7b96ed4d
Fri, Jun 9 2006 10:55 pm
posted links that didn't work].
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c190101671c87624
Thurs, Jul 27 2006 5:29 pm
Subject: BUSTED AGAIN
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/271e489e7b...
Fri, Jun 9 2006 10:55 pm
[posted links that didn't work].
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/1c6c9484fe...
Sat, Jun 10 2006 2:57 am
Those were my links, and I have no idea why they didn't work. I
certainly can't be bothered trying to find them again, when everyone
has read the pertinent stuff anyway.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/5a2a3c5aa9...
Sun, Jun 11 2006 1:43 am
[posted correct links that worked].
jagc...@yahoo.com
We have to investigate this angle too. The entire lot of vaccine
supporters in this and other group stink.
I am an ASD victim who has no other job except to put my views across
to the others so that their children do not suffer my fate. My
disabililty forces me to spend almost my entire day in front of the
computer. Though I have improved under homeopathic treatment I am not
strong and active enough for a regular job and my parents get nervous
if I go further than the nearest cyber cafe. I live entirely out of my
father and brothers income.
But what is the source of income of these vac supporters that keeps
them glued to the computer for years on end?
Stink? They rot and emit a very putrid smell.
Jagannath.
cathyb
Jan Drew wrote:
<more rubbish>
Jan, we're already aware that you have a "Liar!" tic, despite
apparently not understanding the meaning of the word "lie". Thank you
for providing yet more evidence of it, but it was quite unnecessary.
Now go away, and come back when you have something to say about the
topic under discussion.
cathyb
jagc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> HCN aka TDN aka cathyb?
>
> We have to investigate this angle too. The entire lot of vaccine
> supporters in this and other group stink.
>
> I am an ASD victim who has no other job except to put my views across
> to the others so that their children do not suffer my fate. My
> disabililty forces me to spend almost my entire day in front of the
> computer. Though I have improved under homeopathic treatment I am not
> strong and active enough for a regular job and my parents get nervous
> if I go further than the nearest cyber cafe. I live entirely out of my
> father and brothers income.
>
> But what is the source of income of these vac supporters that keeps
> them glued to the computer for years on end?
>
> Stink? They rot and emit a very putrid smell.
I see you still haven't come up with anything at all that supports your
assertions.
I'm sorry homeopathy appears to have done nothing for you, although
hardly surprised.
I'm even sorrier that you've embarrassed yourself by producing
ridiculous insinuations about others' characters rather than simply
producing the sources of the assertions that you made.
Perhaps you need a reminder:
'"> The 60 cases of polio you report have been probed by journalists.
Mark Probert
> HCN aka TDN aka cathyb?
All separate intelligent people who live in areas far from each other.
The ploy, which you seem to be falling for, is to attempt to make
believe that there is only one person who is posting under three names.
If you carefully check the headers, and know what you are doing, you
will not fall for that ploy.
David Wright
jagc...@yahoo.com <jagc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hello (P)harmaceutical B(l)ogger HCN,
>
>Here is your "documentation"
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www/ibnlive.com/article.php?id=7992§ion_id=3
>
>Only vaccination will not curb polio
>Meetu Jain
>CNN-IBN
>
>
>Shan-e-Ali had been given 15 doses of polio vaccine since his birth,
>yet he suffers from polio.
This strikes me as highly implausible. Who gets fifteen doses of
polio vaccine? Neither Salk nor Sabin uses anywhere near that many.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
David Wright
Nope. But thanks for playing.
>We have to investigate this angle too. The entire lot of vaccine
>supporters in this and other group stink.
You're missing the vile smell coming from the anti-vax liars.
>But what is the source of income of these vac supporters that keeps
>them glued to the computer for years on end?
Most of them post occasionally. But some of the anti-vaxers like
PeterB post during the day. Don't you find that at all suspicious?
Peter Bowditch
>Shan-e-Ali had been given 15 doses of polio vaccine since his birth,
>yet he
>suffers from polio. Moradabad: Shan-e-Ali had been given 15 doses of
>polio
>vaccine since his birth. There was no chance that he would suffer from
>polio. However, the one-and-a-half-year-old is now paralysed below the
>waist.
I haven't seen lying like that since the I don't know when.
Congratulations. Are you in training for the short-course lying event
in the Beijing Olympics?