Music & Emotion

[paradox]

Today, i found myself completely lost in the magical wonderland of
Patrick Doyle's "My Fathers Favourite"; it is a breathtakingly
beautiful place indeed. Which got me thinking...what is it about
certain pieces of music that invoke in us an overwhelming emotional
landscape?

[pol.science kid]

I know right.... music.... rhythm.... an immediate effect.... is it merely the systematic striking of chords... i am in awe.. of those who create music.... is music created... or is it there before the keys are struck ... the chords pulled... do we make music or do we simlply tune in.... i dont mean writing a song.... but a sonata perhaps.... where does it come from....

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\--/ Peace

[Ash]

Perhaps it stimulates memories of emotion, I had a doozie moment today and had to turn it off.. Long story short, I got a look at things after the cascade of images stopped pounding me, and got an outside look at myself. I don't want to say what it looked like, but I found much of value without a bit of pity even the compassion fell away and without the sadness it became clear this was a creature of habit. So I changed the routine a bit today, exercised and stretched during smokes (not cardio) with a good 30lb steel rod, mostly fun but tough work. Hoping this helps the broader picture, these rituals I've accumulated are killing me.

This is an unusual day, I think it is good and feel more alive. I turned a downward spiral into fuel to make change that I didn't expect myself capable of. Sorry for the deep subjective moment all. :)

[paradox]

Good questions; the author or composer must have a qualitative sense
of the emotional "frame" of the piece as he/she writes, presumably;
but its a marvel how they manage to reconstruct that qualia through
sound.

On Jun 29, 6:24 pm, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know right.... music.... rhythm.... an immediate effect.... is it merely
> the systematic striking of chords... i am in awe.. of those who create
> music.... is music created... or is it there before the keys are struck ...
> the chords pulled... do we make music or do we simlply tune in.... i dont
> mean writing a song.... but a sonata perhaps.... where does it come from....
>

[paradox]

Some do, for sure; but other pieces set the imagination alight...

On Jun 30, 12:16 am, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it stimulates memories of emotion, I had a doozie moment today
> and had to turn it off.. Long story short, I got a look at things after
> the cascade of images stopped pounding me, and got an outside look at
> myself. I don't want to say what it looked like, but I found much of
> value without a bit of pity even the compassion fell away and without
> the sadness it became clear this was a creature of habit. So I changed
> the routine a bit today, exercised and stretched during smokes (not
> cardio) with a good 30lb steel rod, mostly fun but tough work. Hoping
> this helps the broader picture, these rituals I've accumulated are
> killing me.
>
> This is an unusual day, I think it is good and feel more alive. I turned
> a downward spiral into fuel to make change that I didn't expect myself
> capable of. Sorry for the deep subjective moment all. :)
>
> On 6/29/2011 1:24 PM, pol.science kid wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know right.... music.... rhythm.... an immediate effect.... is it
> > merely the systematic striking of chords... i am in awe.. of those who
> > create music.... is music created... or is it there before the keys
> > are struck ... the chords pulled... do we make music or do we simlply
> > tune in.... i dont mean writing a song.... but a sonata perhaps....
> > where does it come from....
>

> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com
> > <mailto:eadohe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >     Today, i found myself completely lost in the magical wonderland of
> >     Patrick Doyle's "My Fathers Favourite"; it is a breathtakingly
> >     beautiful place indeed. Which got me thinking...what is it about
> >     certain pieces of music that invoke in us an overwhelming emotional
> >     landscape?
>
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[l...@rdfmedia.com]

Umm I think that emotional context must be subjective. Do we all feel
the same emotions when listening to the same piece of music?

So I must ask does the composer have this emotional frame you speak
of, or does he compose with his own emotions in mind?

On the other hand I think we can agree that certian patterns of sound
are well known for invokeing certian moods, so perhaps a little from
coloumn A and a little from coloumn B?

[rigsy03]

I love the Russians and some of the other passionate composers. I am
after tempo but also the "reach" of melody as a longing. As for pop- I
like Gershwin and witty lyrics- Porter, Rodgers and Hart. Dislike
dissonance and wimpy love songs- often country western. Like soft rock
prior to heavy metal and present noise. Like being seized and carried
by music till my body is ready to dance away.

On Jun 30, 7:42 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
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[paradox]

Yes, i think you're right; the artist or composer certainly
"expresses" an emotion; the better felt, the better expressed; his/her
can resonate with us emotionally in different shades, perhaps?


On Jun 30, 1:42 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
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[paradox]

Speaking of passionate composers, try the second movement of Dmitri
Shostakovich's Piano Concerto No. 2; how about being seized and
carried by music till your body is ready to float away...? :)

[rigsy03]

I later remembered of one of Shostakovich's symphonies but he really
wasn't a first thought. Thank you for your suggestion and will look
out for it. :-)

[l...@rdfmedia.com]

Yep I think that this is true of all art and all artists also. That
they give something of themselves or at the very least their views or
feelings.

[Jo]

I thought this was interesting and sort of pertinent to this thread.
I'm not sure if including links here is allowed so I'm using my
probationary status to find out.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/26653?utm_source=Dr.+Kaku%27s+Universe+Newsletter+Subscribers&utm_campaign=0249507cec-Dr_Kaku_Newsletter_August_1_2011&utm_medium=email

[gabbydott]

Our mods here love it when everything goes Bingo! Go right ahead, Jo!

[rigsy03]

Music is also a political, military, cultural tool. Richard Strauss is
fantastic but associated with Nazis, henpecked by his wife and stingy
with his orchestra- even cheating them. The eye and ear directly
affect the brain in proportion to sensitivity or understanding so some
seem immune to the effects which are tuned out. It is a shame that
public education has cut music and art from the curriculum.

On Jun 29, 11:32 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[paradox]

Thanks Jo, i enjoyed that. He's eloquent, and charismatic, isn't he?

Nothing i know builds from first fundamentals to mind quite as neatly
as String Theory; it'll take some de-throning, i think.

On Aug 3, 2:55 pm, Jo <jojocasame...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought this was interesting and sort of pertinent to this thread.
> I'm not sure if including links here is allowed so I'm using my

> probationary status to find out.http://bigthink.com/ideas/26653?utm_source=Dr.+Kaku%27s+Universe+News...

>
> On Jun 29, 11:32 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> > Today, i found myself completely lost in the magical wonderland of
> > Patrick Doyle's "My Fathers Favourite"; it is a breathtakingly
> > beautiful place indeed. Which got me thinking...what is it about
> > certain pieces of music that invoke in us an overwhelming emotional

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[paradox]

:)

On Aug 3, 9:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our mods here love it when everything goes Bingo! Go right ahead, Jo!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Jo <jojocasame...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought this was interesting and sort of pertinent to this thread.
> > I'm not sure if including links here is allowed so I'm using my
> > probationary status to find out.
>

> >http://bigthink.com/ideas/26653?utm_source=Dr.+Kaku%27s+Universe+News...

>
> > On Jun 29, 11:32 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Today, i found myself completely lost in the magical wonderland of
> > > Patrick Doyle's "My Fathers Favourite"; it is a breathtakingly
> > > beautiful place indeed. Which got me thinking...what is it about
> > > certain pieces of music that invoke in us an overwhelming emotional

[paradox]

Yeah, quite right Rigsy; as with all art forms, it's what we make it.
Funny image of Strauss there; i imagine him, head buried in his
manuscripts, wife berating him for paying her as little attention as
he possibly can, the poor chap thinking..."well, someone's gonna have
to pay for this assault! Dont know why i pay the damn orchestra
anything, they cant play 5 beats on a drum!" Lol.

I know, i feel the same as you on public funding for the musical arts;
i think the liberating effects of (much) music on cognitive
development is still too poorly understood and undervalued; i do know
that i'm quite biased in that view though.

[ornamentalmind]

Yes, in ‘my day’, everyone learned music, art etc. And, paradox, it is
more than opinion that the arts are of great value when it comes to
IQ, productivity and many other benchmarks. The web is full of such
studies.

Here is where the actual crime against us all is found in defunding
public education. This was not an accident either…starting with
Reagan. Of course, if one actually is amongst the elite, it is quite
easy to blame the victims and suggest that they ‘eat cake’ and need to
ask for less and give public money to privatization.

[allan deheretic]

well I agree with you orn    I think something new  is on its way,, probably form of a commune.. probably religious based,, but teligion will have to change first to avoid  being abused

Allan

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I_D Allan

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

[Lee Douglas]

Ohhh it make me want to start talking about Thatcher, and that just
makes me angry.

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[Lee Douglas]

Naaa I can't agree with that mate. If anything, or maybe at least
here in the UK, religion is becomeing less and less of an issue.
Atheisim is now the norm.

On Aug 4, 8:57 pm, allan deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:> well

I agree with you orn    I think something new  is on its way,,
probably
> form of a commune.. probably religious based,, but teligion will have to
> change first to avoid  being abused
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM, ornamentalmind

> <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>wrote:

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[allan deheretic]

religion will be changing Lee,, there are a lot of people who are being awakened to the reality of God  and not the normal church sense,  he churches are are going to have to adapt or be left as relics (Including the roman catholic church

Allan

[paradox]

You're right, it's more than opinion, o'mind; i guess its just not a
universal priority.

On Aug 4, 7:00 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Allan Heretic]

Thank you Jo I personally enjoy his thoughts
Remember this group is here to explore ideas, when an idea is presented your view does not have to be right,, it is an idea/concept to be explored.. Sometimes it is to push someone's buttons. I am delighted you are with us and please have fun.
Allan

[Allan Heretic]

What is needed is a common stabilizing foundation. That has lasted over time. The foundation of the commune to work becomes al important , that is if you want it to last, especially in today's world.
Then the question becomes. What foundation would you base a commune to last, say four generations.
Allan

[ornamentalmind]

para...I'm not sure that it isn't a "universal priority"...it very
well could be. Here in the US of A, most people read, watch or listen
to corporate 'news' these days. And, even though I'd guess that the
majority of conservatives agree with us when it comes to the Arts,
what is perceived from the mass media's purchased view is all 'bottom
line' (in a monetary/short term view) stuff. Many are catching on to
this discrepancy between the common good/universal and the purchased/
limited view propaganda. Clearly, since the start of humanity, music
and other arts have been integral in our process, growth, advancement,
expression and life in general. This universal just doesn't change due
to a few people's ideological views.

[Don Johnson]

The very best of Gershwin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbDfH9pRrzY&playnext=1&list=PL60A4A2A8A4ADCE77

My gift to you rigsy. 

dj

[paradox]

I think you'll face the same problem of priorities in either public
service broadcasting or in "for profit" broadcasting, orn; someone's
gonna have to make decisions and choices regarding resources, be that
time or money.

Thing is, a taste for the arts is "gifted" or acquired; i'm not so
sure it's a common good; thats why it's too easily vilified as
elitist; nevertheless, it's what it is; a collective good.

[rigsy03]

As what? Poor taste? Racism? Anti-Semitism?

On Aug 6, 9:48 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The very best of Gershwin.
>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbDfH9pRrzY&playnext=1&list=PL60A4A2A8...

[ornamentalmind]

Paradox, yes, it is true that someone makes decisions and choices (all
the time) about resources. This is true for all media outlets be they
public or private. To expand a bit on my intention, it is my opinion
at least that corporate media has an agenda based upon their own
bottom line. While public outlets do have to consider their
contributors, in general I find them to be much less driven by money
when it comes to attitudes and ideology of what they broadcast. Your
mileage may vary.

Actually, as to whether the arts are universally and innately
appreciated or not, I alluded to the dawn of civilization when there
was art drawn in caves, people of all cultures made/make music.
Theater has always been an integral part of societies whether it be
simple story telling or full blown productions. I don’t mean to
belabor the point and do agree that a minority today appear to
denigrate and vilify the arts. I would posit that the motivation for
such reactions would vary from person to person…for some; it would be
a reaction to their own perceived socio-economic position in society.
Such a reaction being a defense mechanism. Others might wish to cut
public and/or private funding for ideological reasons. The list goes
on and on…

In all such cases it appears to me that some event(s) made the change
in attitude toward arts and their brain and/or emotions were injured
and/or altered in some way from how they entered the world.

[ornamentalmind]

Well identified rigsy!

I finally found the original (and influential) version of this song
sung by Sammy Davis Jr online and hope others enjoy it as much as I
did when I first saw it back in 1959.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkgt263juzM

[Don Johnson]

Aw she's funny. And I thought it was pretty good commentary on the current price of food. Sorry if that went over like a lead ballon. That's actually one of my favorite musicals but it was funny to see it spoofed. I thought so anyway. My mom always said I was different.

dj

[rigsy03]

Let's just forget this, Don, okay? And thanks for the explanation.
(Don't believe everything mothers tell their children, by the way!)

[Lee Douglas]

Not possible I expect mate.

Things change. And things change quickly. The life span of one human
is not enough to start and maintian for long any stabalizing
foundations, as the influx of the newly born and grown means an influx
of not only potentialy more understanding, but differant ideas. Hahah
and of course a potetial dimishment in understanding.

Case in point. It will shortly be my 43rd birthday, which means my
teenage years where the mid 80's onwards.

I remember well the racsim of thoses times and although for a while
things looked like they were getting better, and in truth they were.
Now we have global finacial faeces and once again we can see some in
the community and some in the press find that oldest of oldest
scapegoats, yep the immigrant. Meh! you'd think we learn, but I guess
those that have learned are now too old to lead and teach the
youngun's or they are dead.

Are we doomed to circles? Naaa perhaps spirals though.

On Aug 5, 8:23 pm, Allan Heretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is needed is a common stabilizing foundation. That has lasted over time. The foundation of the commune to work becomes al important , that is if you want it to last, especially in today's world.
> Then the question becomes. What foundation would you base a commune to last, say four generations.
> Allan
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