VH12 double hit - yellow and blue
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Lakers Fan
Oct 12, 2009, 11:28:30 AM10/12/09
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Midi LX 360 version with Roland TD20 with a threshold of 25.
When I program the HH yellow (closed) and blue (open) there both
hitting together (open and closed). No double hits but one single hit
will trigger both colors. I've tried sensitivity, threshold, reg
cancel, mask time, etc... and the only thing that works is setting the
offset to -32 (normally 0-+5). Which makes the HH open sound horrible.
Just wondering if any of you found a work around.
Also getting the foot splash note descibled in this post as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/browse_thread/thread/835f56ae71538cb8
Thanks.
When I program the HH yellow (closed) and blue (open) there both
hitting together (open and closed). No double hits but one single hit
will trigger both colors. I've tried sensitivity, threshold, reg
cancel, mask time, etc... and the only thing that works is setting the
offset to -32 (normally 0-+5). Which makes the HH open sound horrible.
Just wondering if any of you found a work around.
Also getting the foot splash note descibled in this post as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/browse_thread/thread/835f56ae71538cb8
Thanks.
Scott Pinkham
Oct 12, 2009, 1:55:30 PM10/12/09
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There was an issue in V1.5 of the firmware for the LX with the Xbox/
RB2 interface -- the signals for the yellow and blue cymbals were
accidentally swapped, so even if you programmed a note to activate the
HH (yellow cymbal), it would actually activate the blue cymbal on the
Xbox, and vise versa. I've corrected this in the most recent version
(V1.6) which is available on the website (www.bytearts.com/midi_lx).
The name of the firmware file you will need to load is "MRLX_XB-
RB2_V16.hex". I've also uploaded it to the "Files" section here
(http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/files).
Another issue that might cause the problem you see is if the same note
is mapped to more than one channel. You can erase the mappings on the
LX itself and easily reprogram it for your setup, or use the GUI
software to easily view and edit all the map data. The latest version
of the GUI will highlight any duplicate notes in red.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
> Also getting the foot splash note descibled in this post as well.http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/browse_thread/thread/835f5...
>
> Thanks.
RB2 interface -- the signals for the yellow and blue cymbals were
accidentally swapped, so even if you programmed a note to activate the
HH (yellow cymbal), it would actually activate the blue cymbal on the
Xbox, and vise versa. I've corrected this in the most recent version
(V1.6) which is available on the website (www.bytearts.com/midi_lx).
The name of the firmware file you will need to load is "MRLX_XB-
RB2_V16.hex". I've also uploaded it to the "Files" section here
(http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/files).
Another issue that might cause the problem you see is if the same note
is mapped to more than one channel. You can erase the mappings on the
LX itself and easily reprogram it for your setup, or use the GUI
software to easily view and edit all the map data. The latest version
of the GUI will highlight any duplicate notes in red.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
>
> Thanks.
Lakers Fan
Oct 14, 2009, 1:21:47 PM10/14/09
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Did the reset of the mapping and still the same. Will update to new
version and let you know how it works. Thanks.
version and let you know how it works. Thanks.
Lakers Fan
Oct 14, 2009, 2:26:35 PM10/14/09
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Already had that version loaded. The only way to separate the yellow
from blue is to use major negative offset. Guess it's better than
nothing.
Thanks.
from blue is to use major negative offset. Guess it's better than
nothing.
Thanks.
Mutnat
Oct 14, 2009, 2:31:25 PM10/14/09
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Out of curiosity, have you checked the high-hat midi settings on your
TD-20 module? I remember there being quite a few options on my TD-12
in the midi control area I think. You could control what midi notes
it sends out and so on. If it's not there, then it's on one of the
tabs of the trigger setup.
TD-20 module? I remember there being quite a few options on my TD-12
in the midi control area I think. You could control what midi notes
it sends out and so on. If it's not there, then it's on one of the
tabs of the trigger setup.
Scott Pinkham
Oct 14, 2009, 3:36:40 PM10/14/09
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Any chance you could send me a copy of the map file you are using? You
have to connect the MIDI Rocker LX to a PC and use the software to
recall the map and then save it in a file. That way I can try to
diagnose or duplicate the problem.
Thanks,
Scott P (Byte Arts)
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have to connect the MIDI Rocker LX to a PC and use the software to
recall the map and then save it in a file. That way I can try to
diagnose or duplicate the problem.
Thanks,
Scott P (Byte Arts)
Scott Pinkham
Byte Arts LLC
3581 Sunflower Rd.
Bozeman MT 59715
sco...@ByteArts.com
www.ByteArts.com
Phone: 406/322-3484
Lakers Fan
Oct 14, 2009, 7:54:30 PM10/14/09
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Sure, will send you a file.
I tried all the trigger settings and the only that worked was the
offset (-32). Even called Roland tech and the Rolands do no't send 4
separate signals for the HH, just 2, bow and edge (open and closed).
Even changed the midi numbers but it only sent out the 2. I loaded up
the TD20 midi file that someone posted here and that had different HH
midi numbers, so I assigned those he had to my brain and still
nothing.
I'm sure the TD12 is the same as the TD20. If you goto the HH midi
section and hit closed HH, you'll see bow is 26 and edge 46. Now if
you hit the HH open these numbers won't change.
Thanks all.
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I tried all the trigger settings and the only that worked was the
offset (-32). Even called Roland tech and the Rolands do no't send 4
separate signals for the HH, just 2, bow and edge (open and closed).
Even changed the midi numbers but it only sent out the 2. I loaded up
the TD20 midi file that someone posted here and that had different HH
midi numbers, so I assigned those he had to my brain and still
nothing.
I'm sure the TD12 is the same as the TD20. If you goto the HH midi
section and hit closed HH, you'll see bow is 26 and edge 46. Now if
you hit the HH open these numbers won't change.
Thanks all.
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Mutnat
Oct 14, 2009, 9:16:01 PM10/14/09
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Another thing you could try is the diagnostics tab in the MidiRocker
software...that will show you exactly what Midi notes it is receiving
from the module.
software...that will show you exactly what Midi notes it is receiving
from the module.
Lakers Fan
Oct 15, 2009, 3:01:57 PM10/15/09
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Went into midi logging and it is receiving the correct notes. As soon
as I raised the offset, yellow went to blue. Didn't check higher
settings on the log when it switches to both hits.
as I raised the offset, yellow went to blue. Didn't check higher
settings on the log when it switches to both hits.
Scott Pinkham
Oct 19, 2009, 9:00:47 PM10/19/09
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I was looking into this some more over the weekend. I *think* I
understand it better now. But still have some questions.
When you said:
"If you goto the HH midi section and hit closed HH, you'll see bow is
26 and edge 46. Now if
you hit the HH open these numbers won't change."
The note numbers for open and closed HH should be different. From the
TD-20 manual, the HH OPEN notes should be 26 and 46 (as you said), HH
CLOSED should be 22 and 42. If the TD-20 functions like my Yamaha
DTXplorer, then the offset setting changes the point at which the OPEN
HH changes to the CLOSED, and when I set my offset to +32 (the highest
value), it will never generate any HH CLOSED notes (and it sounds
crappy too, like you said).
I can add a feature to the firmware such that a particular color is
only triggered if a certain sequence of notes is received -- if the
TD-20 generates a repeatable sequence which you want to map to the
blue cymbal, and a different sequence for the yellow, then that may
solve it.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
understand it better now. But still have some questions.
When you said:
"If you goto the HH midi section and hit closed HH, you'll see bow is
26 and edge 46. Now if
you hit the HH open these numbers won't change."
TD-20 manual, the HH OPEN notes should be 26 and 46 (as you said), HH
CLOSED should be 22 and 42. If the TD-20 functions like my Yamaha
DTXplorer, then the offset setting changes the point at which the OPEN
HH changes to the CLOSED, and when I set my offset to +32 (the highest
value), it will never generate any HH CLOSED notes (and it sounds
crappy too, like you said).
I can add a feature to the firmware such that a particular color is
only triggered if a certain sequence of notes is received -- if the
TD-20 generates a repeatable sequence which you want to map to the
blue cymbal, and a different sequence for the yellow, then that may
solve it.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
Lakers Fan
Oct 20, 2009, 12:46:43 PM10/20/09
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When on the GUI (midi logging) it did send whatever notes I assigned
it to. However, when talking to the Roland tech, he said that if you
sending MIDI out that it only sends 2 notes. Don't really understand
that since midi logger saw all 4. I didn't mention to the tech what I
was trying to do, being fearful that he would laugh at me.....
Correct. using offset will change the open closed position. Anything
above -31 will cause the blue to go off. Anywhere near the 0 range
both hit. So my magic number is around-32-33. In normal drumming my
offset is +18.
"I can add a feature to the firmware such that a particular color is
only triggered if a certain sequence of notes is received -- if the
TD-20 generates a repeatable sequence which you want to map to the
blue cymbal, and a different sequence for the yellow, then that may
solve it. "
Not sure what this means, but I can guinea pig for you.
On a side note, wonder if people will want this feature. For songs
like Run to the Hills, Everlong and etc.... How about if we can hit
the Start button and navigator left (if not used) or some other combo
that reverses yellow and red. So maybe when hitting this combo on the
controller, M1 and M2 light together so you know your in reverse mode.
Hit start again, navigate right and your back to normal.
it to. However, when talking to the Roland tech, he said that if you
sending MIDI out that it only sends 2 notes. Don't really understand
that since midi logger saw all 4. I didn't mention to the tech what I
was trying to do, being fearful that he would laugh at me.....
Correct. using offset will change the open closed position. Anything
above -31 will cause the blue to go off. Anywhere near the 0 range
both hit. So my magic number is around-32-33. In normal drumming my
offset is +18.
"I can add a feature to the firmware such that a particular color is
only triggered if a certain sequence of notes is received -- if the
TD-20 generates a repeatable sequence which you want to map to the
blue cymbal, and a different sequence for the yellow, then that may
solve it. "
On a side note, wonder if people will want this feature. For songs
like Run to the Hills, Everlong and etc.... How about if we can hit
the Start button and navigator left (if not used) or some other combo
that reverses yellow and red. So maybe when hitting this combo on the
controller, M1 and M2 light together so you know your in reverse mode.
Hit start again, navigate right and your back to normal.
Scott Pinkham
Oct 21, 2009, 10:06:30 AM10/21/09
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Another option is to add a way to quickly switch between the 2 note
maps. That way, you can set up the second map to reassign notes any way
you wish, and switch to that map any time.
Switching between maps could be accomplished in several ways:
* I can add a port to the side of the MIDI Rocker LX where you could
plug in a switch (e.g. a Rock Band drumset pedal). Each time you press
the pedal, the LX would switch maps. This switch port could be added to
existing units pretty easily -- there would just be two wires to connect.
* I can assign a certain MIDI note to be used as the "map switch
trigger". If you have a spare pad or pedal on your drum kit, then you
could assign it to this function.
* I can make a special combination of button presses (as suggested
previously) which switch maps.
Let me know what you think of these ideas.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
maps. That way, you can set up the second map to reassign notes any way
you wish, and switch to that map any time.
Switching between maps could be accomplished in several ways:
* I can add a port to the side of the MIDI Rocker LX where you could
plug in a switch (e.g. a Rock Band drumset pedal). Each time you press
the pedal, the LX would switch maps. This switch port could be added to
existing units pretty easily -- there would just be two wires to connect.
* I can assign a certain MIDI note to be used as the "map switch
trigger". If you have a spare pad or pedal on your drum kit, then you
could assign it to this function.
* I can make a special combination of button presses (as suggested
previously) which switch maps.
Let me know what you think of these ideas.
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
Lakers Fan
Oct 21, 2009, 11:14:11 AM10/21/09
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Think you might wanna take a vote from others out there. But for me,
I'm voting for option 3 (I can make a special combination of button
presses (as suggested
previously) which switch maps), only because I don't have a rock pedal
or an extra pad.
Thanks,
Brian
I'm voting for option 3 (I can make a special combination of button
presses (as suggested
previously) which switch maps), only because I don't have a rock pedal
or an extra pad.
Thanks,
Brian
Hugo Gayosso
Oct 26, 2009, 2:21:58 PM10/26/09
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Hello Scott,
I noticed that my previous reply didn't go to the group, so I repeat
but add the link to my original request I mentioned in my previous
email:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Scott Pinkham <sco...@bytearts.com> wrote:
> Switching between maps could be accomplished in several ways:
>
> * I can add a port to the side of the MIDI Rocker LX where you could
> plug in a switch (e.g. a Rock Band drumset pedal). Each time you press
> the pedal, the LX would switch maps. This switch port could be added to
> existing units pretty easily -- there would just be two wires to connect.
Could something like this be implemented also for those of us with the
regular MIDI Rocker (non-LX) ?
> * I can assign a certain MIDI note to be used as the "map switch
> trigger". If you have a spare pad or pedal on your drum kit, then you
> could assign it to this function.
I vote for this one, I actually asked for this some time ago, but
didn't see a reply.
Here is the post, titled "Suggestion: Changing maps on the fly via
MIDI or external input"
http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/browse_thread/thread/d175d095edf868c0
Please implement this also for the normal MIDI Rocker.
> * I can make a special combination of button presses (as suggested
> previously) which switch maps.
I think this would be kind of difficult to quickly access in some songs.
Thanks,
--
Hugo
Scott Pinkham
Oct 26, 2009, 6:45:28 PM10/26/09
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I think I will implement all three methods for switching between maps,
since each person probably has their own preference.
On the original MIDI Rocker there is already a switch on the front
panel to quickly change maps, but I know that during play it would be
easier to use a foot switch, so I can use one of the inputs on the
external input connector on the back as an input for a pedal switch.
I'll put the details of how to connect a pedal to that connector in
the manual.
I'm working on this now, so should have something ready in the next
few days.
Let me know if you have any other questions or suggestions!
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
On Oct 26, 12:21 pm, Hugo Gayosso <hgayo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Scott,
>
> I noticed that my previous reply didn't go to the group, so I repeat
> but add the link to my original request I mentioned in my previous
> email:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Scott Pinkham <sco...@bytearts.com> wrote:
> > Switching between maps could be accomplished in several ways:
>
> > * I can add a port to the side of the MIDI Rocker LX where you could
> > plug in a switch (e.g. a Rock Band drumset pedal). Each time you press
> > the pedal, the LX would switch maps. This switch port could be added to
> > existing units pretty easily -- there would just be two wires to connect.
>
> Could something like this be implemented also for those of us with the
> regular MIDI Rocker (non-LX) ?
>
> > * I can assign a certain MIDI note to be used as the "map switch
> > trigger". If you have a spare pad or pedal on your drum kit, then you
> > could assign it to this function.
>
> I vote for this one, I actually asked for this some time ago, but
> didn't see a reply.
>
> Here is the post, titled "Suggestion: Changing maps on the fly via
> MIDI or external input"http://groups.google.com/group/midi-rocker/browse_thread/thread/d175d...
since each person probably has their own preference.
On the original MIDI Rocker there is already a switch on the front
panel to quickly change maps, but I know that during play it would be
easier to use a foot switch, so I can use one of the inputs on the
external input connector on the back as an input for a pedal switch.
I'll put the details of how to connect a pedal to that connector in
the manual.
I'm working on this now, so should have something ready in the next
few days.
Let me know if you have any other questions or suggestions!
-Scott P (Byte Arts)
On Oct 26, 12:21 pm, Hugo Gayosso <hgayo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Scott,
>
> I noticed that my previous reply didn't go to the group, so I repeat
> but add the link to my original request I mentioned in my previous
> email:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Scott Pinkham <sco...@bytearts.com> wrote:
> > Switching between maps could be accomplished in several ways:
>
> > * I can add a port to the side of the MIDI Rocker LX where you could
> > plug in a switch (e.g. a Rock Band drumset pedal). Each time you press
> > the pedal, the LX would switch maps. This switch port could be added to
> > existing units pretty easily -- there would just be two wires to connect.
>
> Could something like this be implemented also for those of us with the
> regular MIDI Rocker (non-LX) ?
>
> > * I can assign a certain MIDI note to be used as the "map switch
> > trigger". If you have a spare pad or pedal on your drum kit, then you
> > could assign it to this function.
>
> I vote for this one, I actually asked for this some time ago, but
> didn't see a reply.
>
> Here is the post, titled "Suggestion: Changing maps on the fly via
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