Word2007 bug: won't place picture correctly
Mason C
It has Multiple pages: two on a landscape 8 1/2 x 11 sheet.
A picture on the right side, page two, prints on the left side, page one.
Try it. Page Setup: "landscape"
Multiple pages: "2 pages per sheet"
Hit enough lines (Enter) to make the second page appear.
Insert a picture on the right hand, page two.
Print review is ok.
Print it.
It will print on the left side, page one.
I've tried everything, including wrapping the picture in
text; setting page breaks and section breaks.
If I cannot solve this, Word2007 is useless to me.
HELP !
Mason C
Suzanne S. Barnhill
is on the left, on the back of page 1). Second, an easier way to get a
second page is to insert a page break (Ctrl+Enter). Instead of using "2
pages per sheet," have you tried using "Book fold"?
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"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mason C
wrote:
> Well, first of all, page 1 should be on the right side, not the left (page 2
> is on the left, on the back of page 1). Second, an easier way to get a
> second page is to insert a page break (Ctrl+Enter). Instead of using "2
> pages per sheet," have you tried using "Book fold"?
That's all very true. But did you try it?
Yes, I did try "Book fold" with a somewhat more comical result.
This is Word 2007. I moved the file to my son's Mac and
he sees the same thing in his Word X.
Try it. It will take only a minute. Let me know what you see.
Thanks for helping,
Mason C
"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I am preparing a book.
> It has Multiple pages: two on a landscape 8 1/2 x 11 sheet.
>
> A picture on the right side, page two, prints on the left side, page one.
>
> Try it. Page Setup: "landscape"
> Multiple pages: "2 pages per sheet"
>
> Hit enough lines (Enter) to make the second page appear.
> Insert a picture on the right hand, page two.
> Print review is ok.
> Print it.
>
> It will print on the left side, page one.
>
> I've tried everything, including wrapping the picture in
> text; setting page breaks and section breaks.
>
> If I cannot solve this, Word2007 is useless to me.
>
> HELP !
>
> Mason C
>Well, first of all, page 1 should be on the right side, not the left (page 2
Suzanne S. Barnhill
placement of wrapped graphics in that version, but that doesn't change the
fact that if you're encountering the same problems with "2 pages per sheet"
that you did with "Book fold," then you might as well at least be trying to
solve them with "Book fold" instead of using a less satisfactory approach.
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Words into Type
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"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jay Freedman
promises for MS about when or whether there will be a fix, but I'll
make sure it gets into the bug database.
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Mason C
wrote:
>I've confirmed your bug. I'll pass it along -- I can't make any
>promises for MS about when or whether there will be a fix, but I'll
>make sure it gets into the bug database.
Thank you very much. It is a relief to me to know that
I'm not nuts or stupid. Now I have a $150+tax thing that
is useless to me. Can I return it?
Mason C
Mason C
wrote:
>I don't have Word 2007, and I have heard that there are problems with
>placement of wrapped graphics in that version, but that doesn't change the
>fact that if you're encountering the same problems with "2 pages per sheet"
>that you did with "Book fold," then you might as well at least be trying to
>solve them with "Book fold" instead of using a less satisfactory approach.
Suzanne, you seem to have a problem that's not in Word.
Mason C
Mason C
wrote:
>I don't have Word 2007, and I have heard that there are problems with
>placement of wrapped graphics in that version, but that doesn't change the
>fact that if you're encountering the same problems with "2 pages per sheet"
>that you did with "Book fold," then you might as well at least be trying to
>solve them with "Book fold" instead of using a less satisfactory approach.
Suzanne, I tried *everything* : three printers, different graphics, various
page layouts -- including Book fold and 2 pages -- .
Please. Don't scold me. I'm weeping already.
Mason C
Suzanne S. Barnhill
2007 installed); as I said, it has been reported previously. FWIW, if you're
preparing a *booklet," see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/BookletPrinting.htm. The technique for
Word 97 will, I suspect still work in Word 2007 (albeit admittedly more
work).
If you're preparing a *book* (for self-publishing), then the printer will
almost certainly want each page on a separate sheet (even if they're
half-sheet sized). If you're preparing a *manuscript* (to be sent to a
publisher), then layout is not your responsibility.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mason C
wrote:
>Jay has confirmed the bug (something I cannot do since I don't have Word
>2007 installed); as I said, it has been reported previously. FWIW, if you're
>preparing a *booklet," see
>http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/BookletPrinting.htm. The technique for
>Word 97 will, I suspect still work in Word 2007 (albeit admittedly more
>work).
>
>If you're preparing a *book* (for self-publishing), then the printer will
>almost certainly want each page on a separate sheet (even if they're
>half-sheet sized). If you're preparing a *manuscript* (to be sent to a
>publisher), then layout is not your responsibility.
I hate following up such a non-constructive conversation, but I am
a publisher. I send a finished manuscript to the printer. Nowadays
it will be in Postscript or Acrobat (remarkable how Postscript still
lives). Word is sometimes accepted, reluctantly and from the Mac.
I publish books, not booklets. No printer I've contacted recently will
accept "separate sheets." Camera-ready is dead, or should be -- how
well I remember it !
In my house, layout is definitely my responsibility -- and part of
my glory :-) ( but not on Word2007 )
Mason C masonc.home.netcom.com ( yes, I know about http:// )
Daiya Mitchell
Since your son sees the same thing on his Mac in Word X, one wonders
whether there may not be a set-up problem, as well as a Word 2007 bug.
Different Approach:
Since you have access to a Mac, and your printers accept PDFs, then the
booklet creating programs for OS X might be of use to you. Basically,
you print a regular Word document to PDF, and then the booklet program
takes the PDF, shrinks the pages, reshuffles the pages as necessary,
etc, dividing a single complex process into two simpler steps. I think
CheapImpostor even automatically does signatures for longer books. For
more information and links to the possible programs, see here:
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/BookletsFold.html
It's not recently updated, but it will put you on the right path if this
method sounds less troublesome than what you are currently doing.
I believe Word 2007 now prints to PDF? (although you might have to
download something from MS. Then send just the PDF to your son's Mac and
never launch MacWord at all) With mass-market PDF creation, perhaps
there are/will be similar programs on the Windows side--even though
WinWord has BookFold and MacWord doesn't, I get the impression that
BookFold is not entirely reliable, so developers may see a gap in the
market. There may already be an Acrobat extension out there to
reshuffle PDF pages, perhaps.
PS. I'm having a very hard time wrapping my head around how you are
going to publish a book where the master copy was printed 2 pages per
sheet. All I can picture is some big paper cutters and some laborious
reshuffling, and that seems unrealistic.
Mason C
I infer a good suggestion: another book, booklet really. I should
publish an expensive booklet on how to create a book ( publishing
is another matter.) I don't have time to do that now. Watch for it here
early next summer -- or on my web site.
Thanks for the comments and help.
Mason C signing off.
Suzanne S. Barnhill
request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the
imposition in-house.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Words into Type
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"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mason C
wrote:
>I also typeset books for publishing. When I send documents to printers, they
>request PDFs with one page per sheet because they will be performing the
>imposition in-house.
Well, we'll get there eventually.... I'm just trying to get out the door here.
I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other
design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding
the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or
pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the
result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing
and the growing book is very motivating.
The one-page-per-sheet can easily be achieved, I'm sure. Word 2007 can
do anything, even crash.
Book example, recently pdf'd:
http://masonc.home.netcom.com/quimby/quimby.pdf
I've taken this book out of print but it sells (Ebay, Amazon etc.) for a good
price. (The original was done camera-ready pre-computer.)
Yes, yes, I know, it's not a 2 page per sheet original. Bye bye.
Now, Suzzane, get up to date: buy Word 2007 and have fun :-)
Mason C
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<<"Mason C" <mason...@XXXearthlink.net> wrote in message news:kev7s2liikemt4302...@4ax.com...
Thank you very much. It is a relief to me to know that
I'm not nuts or stupid. Now I have a $150+tax thing that
is useless to me. Can I return it?
Mason C >>
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MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
Suzanne S. Barnhill
page per sheet. Very similar to what I send to the printer, except that (a)
I center the pages and (b) I include crop marks.
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Words into Type
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Daiya Mitchell
> I am also the writer. My creation of a book with many illustrations and other
> design features is greatly aided by having a running model. This I do by folding
> the two-page sheets. It is very easy to assemble the model -- no cutting or
> pasting. The cover likewise, on glossy paper. If I add glue to the edge the
> result is very much a book. The model in hand is a great aid to designing
> and the growing book is very motivating.
>
interesting:
http://cheapimpostor.com/dayinlife/index.html
By the way--your original problem is described in great detail here:
http://blogs.3sharp.com/Blog/dougv/archive/2006/12/03/2675.aspx
Mason C
Good links. Thanks "CheapImpositor." No thanks, Microsoft.
Thanks, Daiya, for the links. And thanks, Suzanne, for the thought about
having separate pages, not two on a sheet. I'll go to single pages and
also maybe avoid the MS bug. Oddly though, I notice that Morris Publishing
(a printer) includes a side-by-side template ---- wonder how they impose.
They give greatly detailed instructions: http://morrispublishing.com
Mason C
Suzanne S. Barnhill
the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
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Mason C
wrote:
>I have to agree with Mason that this short course in bookbinding is worth
>the read. And Cheap Impostor sounds like worthwhile software, too.
Yeah. Except. It's .gz -- looks like unix. I got it and decompressed
it but the result has no extension and does nothing on my pc.
Maybe someone knows more.
Mason C
Daiya Mitchell
buried down at the bottom right of the site homepage. I had mentioned it
before, as part of a different approach that Mason might take to avoid
dealing with Word's BookFold.
It is a nice program, from the demo I tried a while back, and has a
*really* good Help file. Sadly, it does more than most people need and
there are free alternatives out there, so I think it's not as commonly
used as it deserves to be.
The availability of programs like this means Mac users don't feel the
absence of BookFold in MacWord at all, plus once it's installed, it
works for any program that can print.
Daiya
Daiya Mitchell
problem--
"What the heck ! I saved it as a Word97-2003, closed and reloaded it and
it still shows two page 2's in Print Preview but prints correctly."
Did you try that on this problem?
Daiya
Mason C
Just to close the record: bottom line:
I returned Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 to Fry's.
With some reluctance they fully credited my credit card.
Mason C Yes, I did uninstall it.