How to get Desktop Search to Stop Incrementing OE Compact Check Co
Dave Jenkins
I'll move on over.
I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the popup
is generated.
So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw that it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.
I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there is MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid (nobody
else uses this PC).
So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows Desktop
Search?
(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if that
made any difference.)
Thanks for your help.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
Bruce Hagen
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See the WDS link below.
The problem is with the registry counter that gives you the prompt after 100
closings of OE. It is being increased quicker than it should be and even if
you are not using OE.
There is a growing number of programs and actions that may be causing this
after installing SP3. Do you have any of the following?
IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL
Windows Desktop Search
Window Live Mail (even if it was removed)
Mailwasher
Nero plug-in(s)
Opening EML files while OE is closed will also contribute to the registry
count.
Various anti-virus, anti-spyware and third party firewalls, especially if
they were running when you installed SP3.
Recent archived thread discussing this issue:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general/browse_frm/thread/fcd35fbfa457fd6f
In the case of Windows Desktop Search, (the #1 offender), you have to tell
it to stop indexing OE.
Windows Desktop Search. Set Desktop Search Options:
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/windows/desktopsearch/search/options.mspx
In the case of Nero Scout, see Item 2.3 on page 8 here.
ftp://ftp6.nero.com/user_guides/nero8/scout/NeroScout_Enu.pdf
In the option to exclude selected file types from indexing, be sure to add
these file types:
.eml, .dbx & .nws
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
Dave Jenkins
Thanks, Bruce - I've seen your answer many times before, and it's helped me
find the real culprit in my particular situation: Windows Desktop Search (see
below).
I have visited the site you cite in reference to WDS, and I must say, I find
it less than immensly useful. The instructions don't seem to fit what I see
on my screen (Example: What's the "Deskbar Search box?" If i click in the
taskbar search box, nothing happens. Also, the Windows Desktop Search
Options dialog doen't have any panes, or least any way I can see to get 'em.
also, when I type into the taskbar desktop search box, I do not get immediate
results, nor do I see any option that allows me to select that mode of
searching.)
Having discovered that WDS is incrementing the counter (at least once at
every boot) how can I convince it not to? Ultimately it will get to 100
again, and I'll be faced once more with a series of naggging popups that
don't bear any realtionship to the way my PC is configured or used.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
> ..eml, .dbx & .nws
Bruce Hagen
for Outlook Express.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
> Control Panel | INDEXING OPTIONS. Click: MODIFY and clear the check box
> for Outlook Express.
Did that, Bruce - that's why I've written this post! Indixing Options no
longer include any OE references (See quote below from original post)
> >> > I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
> >> > Express locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
> >> > locations (it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
> >> > eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there
> >> > is MS OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
> >> > (nobody else uses this PC).
Any other suggestions?
Bruce Hagen
One person also not using Outlook Express reported that the issue was fixed
by deleting all the dbx files in the message store. Note that should you
open OE, the files will be recreated.
Open OE to find the message store location and then close it. Do not open
after this.
Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location of
your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer or, copy and paste it into Start | Run.
In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.
Dave Jenkins
I saw someplace else where it said to remove .dbx files from the WDS list of
file types to be indexed, and that particular extension wasn't in there at
all. So I'm guessing that (in a rational world) WDS wouldn't even be looking
for any .dbx files. But I'll try anyway.
Dave Jenkins
Just as amatter of interst, I see a bunch of those .dbx files that are dated
TODAY! What's up with that? Also, I see that other past users of this PC
also have .dbx files set up, but I can guarantee you that they never
(purposefully) used OE - my 5-year old grandson just wouldn't know how to.
Bruce Hagen
that was never used before. Any instance of OE will have some dbx files by
default whether or not it was used before.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Bob Lucas
Yes.
Do you really need the new style search facility? If not, go to Control
Panel and click on Add or Remove Programs.
Scroll down and remove Windows Live Search.
Your version of Win XP will revert to the old style search function -
which has always worked well.
Dave Jenkins
are - are they roles? At any rate, they don't appear to be in a one-to-one
correspondence to users, since I have 5 users configured.
Anyway, I had three different *users* who had .dbx files. The files showed
(in Windows Explorer) for one of those users (me) dates of today, and some
were quite large. I deleted all of the .dbx files for all the users.
I restarted the system and following the boot, the Compact Count Check was
incremented for one of the identities. I alsonow have 2 sets of three .dbx
files (Folders," "Inbox," and "Offline"):
1. User 1 (me) with an identity (I guess, since it's included in the path
name for .dbx file) that's NOT the one that gets the incremented Compact
Check Count incremented
2. User 2 with an identity shown in the path name for the .dbx files that
*IS* the identity for which the Compact Count Check is being incremented.
I did all that without using OE itself - I used Windows Explorer to locate
and delete the files.
So I guess I'm back to this: WDS has been configured NOT to index OE for
any user, and I see (though a Procmon trace) that it increments the Compact
Check Count registry entry after the system boots.
Has a mind of its own, does it not?
What next?
Oh, BTW: How can I tell what version of WDS I'm running? Control Panel
says that I have V 3.01, but that I haven't used it for almost 2 years.
Either CP is lying about the WDS usage, or I have another version that
doesn't show in CP.
Bruce Hagen
Reboot and open OE. Check the path to this new, and only, instance of OE and
close it. There should only be one identity in Windows Explorer now. The
message store should have only a few dbx files in it. Delete these dbx
files.
I can't tell you how to find the version of WDS you have. I never used it.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
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Bruce Hagen
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so I
can't forward them all.
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Dave Jenkins
We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout, MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.
I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated, though.
In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
Bob Lucas
I should have suggested uninstalling Windows Search. It is no longer on
my machine - but from memory, I believe "Add or Remove Programs" listed
it was Windows Search, version 4.0.
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Dave Jenkins
I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.
After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).
I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?
And what's the next step?
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
PA Bear [MS MVP]
> the count was incremented yet once again.
One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These include
but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).
And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the background
when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Dave Jenkins wrote:
> So, just kind of recapping here:
>
> We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop Search)
> and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
> know
> that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
> why
> they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout, MailWashing,
> RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.
>
> I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
> elsewhere,
> but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
> though.
>
> In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
> reboot,
> the count was incremented yet once again.
>
>
Bruce Hagen
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it was
fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee was
running at the time.
I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
guess I'll just have to live with it.
But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change in
certain cases?
And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?
It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true culprit
here. Just sayin'.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Windows automatically reinstalls files it considers essention, like
msoe.dll.
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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> I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
> forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it
> was
> fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee was
> running at the time.
>
> I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
> guess I'll just have to live with it.
>
> But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
> directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
> could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change
> in
> certain cases?
>
> And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
> when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
> Shouldn't it at least ask?
>
> It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true
> culprit
> here. Just sayin'.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> > In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
>> > reboot,
>> > the count was incremented yet once again.
>>
>> One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
>> applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These
>> include
>> but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
>> SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
>> Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone
>> Alarm
>> (Free, Pro, & Security Suite).
>>
>> And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the
>> background
>> when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.
>>
PA Bear [MS MVP]
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support/browse_frm/thread/a09d4e967028e6c9
I'll give you my version of Bruce's earlier post/explanation. It's helped
the vast majority of other users who have encountered the behavior...
<canned>
See this June 2008 discussion about this WinXP SP3-specific problem:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general/browse_frm/thread/fcd35fbfa457fd6f
For reference, here's a current list of items known to cause this behavior
(which is NOT being seen by the vast majority of OE users) in "most often
seen" order
• Nero plug-in(s) including Nero Scout [1];
• Windows (Desktop) Search is installed
[FIX: Uninstall the application or CONTROL PANEL | INDEXING OPTIONS |
MODIFY | Clear the check box for Outlook Express (i.e., EML, NWS, & DBX
files)];
• IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
• Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
• Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton & McAfee);
• Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
• Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
• Any/all of the above running when WinXP SP3 was installed;
• Disk defragmentation, need for;
• Using Visual Basic DoCmd.SendObject command to create an email;
• Using any number third-party applications (e.g., accounting software;
FileMaker 6) to send emails by via Outlook Express;
• MailWasher; and/or
• Programatically opening EML files while OE is closed (e.g., creating a
New Message via Address Book).
===============
[1] IN RE Nero Scout, see Item 2.3 on page 8 here:
ftp://ftp6.nero.com/user_guides/nero8/scout/NeroScout_Enu.pdf
Also see http://www.nero.com/eng/support-faq.html?s=sub&t=Scout
</canned>
> And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
> when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
> Shouldn't it at least ask?
Like IE, OE is part and parcel of WinXP. While you can remove access to
either or both of them, you cannot literally remove them: They're protected
system files and will be replaced when you reboot if deleted.
Neither Bruce nor I recommended or suggested renaming or doing anything else
to MSOE.DLL. Neither of us recommended or suggested deleting anything in
the Registry. [cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support/msg/3941f76e7cf317c7]
Best of luck tracking down the cause of the behavior (e.g., uninstalling
Windows Search v4.x).
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Dave Jenkins wrote:
> I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
> forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it
> was fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee
> was
> running at the time.
>
> I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
> guess I'll just have to live with it.
>
> But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
> directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
> could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change
> in certain cases?
>
> And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
> when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
> Shouldn't it at least ask?
>
> It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true
> culprit
> here. Just sayin'.
>
>
>>> In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
>>> reboot,
>>> the count was incremented yet once again.
>>
>> One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
>> applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These
>> include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
>> SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
>> Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone
>> Alarm (Free, Pro, & Security Suite).
>>
>> And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the
>> background when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse
>> problems.
>>
Steve Cochran
you just uninstall it and that will eliminate the problem?
steve
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Dave Jenkins
the registry reconciles to the nuber of occurrences in the trace (1/boot).
Bruce Hagen
WDS? It is easilly reinstalled.
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace for any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.
Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some other
non-obvious way?
Thanks.
Bruce Hagen
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be created
automatically?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not really -
I can see that.
Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?
Bruce Hagen
the dbx files.
In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer.
In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.
It will look something like this:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express
When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each one.
delete them all.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
which the check count is being incremented. I have another Windows user
defined (my 5 year old grandson), and it's his identity for which the check
count is incremented, even though I'm the default user that logs on to the
system when it boots he hasn't logged on for probably 6 months or so..
Does that make any sense? And can I delete the identity folder under his
user id as well?
And what the heck *is* an identity, anyway?
Bruce Hagen
OE, then deleting the identities is /not/ an option.
An identity is so different users can have their own OE on the same machine.
How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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Dave Jenkins
last couple of years we have isntalled some poorly-written kids games - some
of which caused problems of one sort or another. However, new news: He has
no identity set up (or at least now he doesn't) - I was incorrect. The other
identity (the one that's getting the Compact Check Count incremented) is
associated with a test version of SAP software installed on my PC. I am
loath to change any settings for that S/W - it's brittle enough as is.
It's interesting that after a boot, in the registry it shows that the "Last
User ID" identity is not mine (I'm the default user) it's the other one.
Not sure what all of that means, but I guess at this point I better leave
well enough alone and live with the boot-up script workaround to the problem,
unless you have soem further suggestion.
Thanks for hanging in there with me. I do hate mysteries, but I guess this
one's beyond my mystery-solving abilties.
PA Bear [MS MVP]
Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?
Dave Jenkins wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, my grandson doesn't use OE. However, over
> the
> last couple of years we have isntalled some poorly-written kids games -
> some
> of which caused problems of one sort or another. However, new news: He
> has
> no identity set up (or at least now he doesn't) - I was incorrect. The
> other identity (the one that's getting the Compact Check Count
> incremented)
> is associated with a test version of SAP software installed on my PC. I
> am
> loath to change any settings for that S/W - it's brittle enough as is.
>
> It's interesting that after a boot, in the registry it shows that the
> "Last
> User ID" identity is not mine (I'm the default user) it's the other one.
>
> Not sure what all of that means, but I guess at this point I better leave
> well enough alone and live with the boot-up script workaround to the
> problem, unless you have soem further suggestion.
>
> Thanks for hanging in there with me. I do hate mysteries, but I guess
> this
> one's beyond my mystery-solving abilties.
>
Dave Jenkins
Uninstalling Windows Search would be like sending my car to the junkyard
because it's got a squeak. I can learn to live with the squeak, but I'd
still be interested in eliminating it.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> And this SAP software would be? Is it a beta?
>
> Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?
[snip]
Bob Lucas
Totally unnecessary bells and whistles, which do nothing to enhance
performance..
You certainly don't need to take the "car" to the junk yard, just
because Windows Search 4.0 is causing problems. Get rid of the "go
faster stripes" instead.
"Dave Jenkins" <david.f...@usa.net.(spam-ugh!)> wrote in message
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
Is NetWeaver used to create and/or send email messages? What's the
machine's default Mail Client?
Windows Search may be causing the behavior. You can only determine if it is
by uninstalling it. If the behavior persists after the uninstall, you know
it wasn't the cause and can reinstall it if you wish (and make sure that
it's not monitoring any OE identities, DBX files, EML files, and WAB files.
Or you can resign yourself to live with the incessant Compact prompts and
we'll drop the whole thing.
NB: If you refuse to uninstall Windows Search as a test, none of us will
offer any further assistance, Dave.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Dave Jenkins wrote:
> SAP NetWeaver 7.0. Not a Beta.
>
> Uninstalling Windows Search would be like sending my car to the junkyard
> because it's got a squeak. I can learn to live with the squeak, but I'd
> still be interested in eliminating it.
>
Robert Aldwinckle
>A last note to a depressing day:
>
> I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.
Not clear why you did that?
>
> After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
> incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed in
> the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
> virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program was
> smart enough to go find one and copy it in.
> I'm guessing that that program would be Windows Search?
Was one of the "various places" %windir%\System32\dllcache ?
If so, XP's WFP feature would likely restore a missing file to its proper location.
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/wfp.mspx
> Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far as
> incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).
>
> I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
> but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
> there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
> Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?
What do you use WS for? E.g. what File Types and how are they indexed?
In particular how are extensions .eml and .nws treated? Then, do you have
any instances of those file types in any of the locations you are indexing?
Then, how are those file types opened when you find them? E.g. if msimn.exe
starts and the message opens in an OE message window you would have your answer.
>
> And what's the next step?
It might be sufficient to disassociate .eml and .nws from OE.
Switch to a cmd window and tell us what you get from the following commands:
assoc .eml
then
assoc .nws
then
ftype | find "Message"
FWIW here is what I get when I do that:
<cmd_output OS="XPsp3">
E:\>assoc .eml
.eml=Microsoft Internet Mail Message
E:\>assoc .nws
.nws=Microsoft Internet News Message
E:\>ftype | find "Message"
Microsoft Internet Mail Message="F:\Program Files\Windows Live\Mail\wlmail.exe" /eml:%1
Microsoft Internet News Message="F:\Program Files\Windows Live\Mail\wlmail.exe" /nws:%1
<cmd_output>
Hmm... I recently reinstalled WL Beta (all programs). ; )
I'm guessing you will see some different results...
BTW if you want to see *why* WS is incrementing that registry value
in your ProcMon trace you are going to have to change your filter
to allow it to show some *context* for the events that you have captured.
E.g. try changing your filter to: Process Name is WindowsSearch.exe
or msimn.exe (i.e., filter for both but obviously not in the same record)
and put a highlight on that registry value you are interested in.
HTH
Robert Aldwinckle
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