Re: Where to get windows xp full retail version?
1PW
> Where to get windows xp full retail version?
>
> Does not matter if it has windows xp original or sp1 or sp2 or sp3
> cds.
>
> I have sp2 & sp3 cds.
>
> I can buy them off of Amazon used or new or ebay. I just don't want
> to waste $150 or more dollars. Then come to find out latter, that
> it is either an oem copy or an illegal version of Microsoft xp or a
> volume copy or an upgrade copy.
>
> I would like to the full install. So, I can dual boot (I already
> have a partition manager and know how to use it)
>
>
> Greg
Hello Greg:
You need to make your request in a much different fashion.
Windows XP was released in many different versions. You would want to
decide on the Home, Professional or Media Center Editions if for a PC.
You also wish to specify Upgrade or Full Purchase Product (FPP).
Be very specific about which retail version.
You also wish to specify if the distribution is for USA/Canada or some
other region so as to receive the correct language pack.
Hopefully knowing the above will save you some disappointment later on.
The devil is in the details Greg.
HTH
--
1PW
Shenan Stanley
> I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
> to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
> test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
> service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the
> service pack disk. I am In the United States.
That will be difficult - at best. It is highly unlikely many stores (online
or otherwise) will have retail copies of Windows XP Home Edition still lying
around - given the two replacement OSes have (or soon will be) released to
the public.
Pricewatch shows a couple of places ($150+ price range) that still have it -
but I can honestly say, I don't know the names of the places selling them:
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Daave
> I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
> to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
> test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
> service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the service
> pack disk. I am In the United States.
If you never plan on transferring this version to another PC, the
generic OEM (aka System Builder) version of XP Home (with SP3, no less)
would be a more affordable choice. Additionally, it is still currently
available from retail outlets such as Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116511
If you do plan on transferring it at some point in time, the OEM
version's license won't permit you to do this. (Well, strictly speaking,
you can transfer it; it's just not allowed by the EULA.) So if this is
the case, I can see why you would want the Retail version (by the way,
SP2 is the best you can do with Retail and it will cost almost double).
But buyer beware since this is no longer being manufactured, and you
will need to find a vendor who is reputable, which can be tricky. :-(
Perhaps there is a ratings system available with feedback that you can
use to judge. Let me do a quick Ebay search...
OK. This sloguy2000 might be a good bet:
4501 ratings. 100%. "Power Seller." Looks promising. Your call, though.
(Note: It looks like this post is being filtered by Microsoft's news
server. Ebay link looks like spam perhaps?)
Daave
Hmmm. It *was* filtered the first time when I attempted to post via the
MS news server (the one above is via Cavtel)... Let's see if this one
(MS) goes through...
Daave
> I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
> Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.
It is certainly legal for you to buy!
And there is no credible evidence that is illegal for you to use it,
either.
It is you who is determining what your system is. If you want a computer
to run Windows XP and are willing to purchase a license for it and
install it, you are bulding your system. It doesn't mean you have to
physically build a PC from scratch from various components. Sure, there
are those who may want you to believe this, but it doesn't make it so. I
challenge you or anyone else to show me where there is an accepted legal
defintion of what the term "system builder" means in the XP EULA. The XP
EULA is the only legal document you need to be concerned with.
You're the system builder, Greg. :-)
Mark Adams
"Greg" wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:04:45 -0400, "Daave" <da...@example.com> wrote:
>
> >Greg wrote:
> >
> >> I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
> >> to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
> >> test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
> >> service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the service
> >> pack disk. I am In the United States.
> >
> >If you never plan on transferring this version to another PC, the
> >generic OEM (aka System Builder) version of XP Home (with SP3, no less)
> >would be a more affordable choice. Additionally, it is still currently
> >available from retail outlets such as Newegg:
> >
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116511
> >
> >If you do plan on transferring it at some point in time, the OEM
> >version's license won't permit you to do this. (Well, strictly speaking,
> >you can transfer it; it's just not allowed by the EULA.) So if this is
> >the case, I can see why you would want the Retail version (by the way,
> >SP2 is the best you can do with Retail and it will cost almost double).
> >But buyer beware since this is no longer being manufactured, and you
> >will need to find a vendor who is reputable, which can be tricky. :-(
> >
> >Perhaps there is a ratings system available with feedback that you can
> >use to judge. Let me do a quick Ebay search...
> >
> >OK. This sloguy2000 might be a good bet:
> >
>
> >
> >4501 ratings. 100%. "Power Seller." Looks promising. Your call, though.
> >
> >(Note: It looks like this post is being filtered by Microsoft's news
> >server. Ebay link looks like spam perhaps?)
> >
>
> I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
> Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.
>
>
>
Yes it is. I bought a copy of XP Home SP3 OEM from Fry's Electronics last
Spring for $59.00 They sold it retail to anyone who wanted it. Just buy the
sumbitch and install it.
To get around WGA, after the install set Automatic Updates to "Notify you of
updates but do not download or install". When you connect to the internet, a
yellow shield will show up in the system tray. Click the shield and choose
"custom" install. If you are offered Windows Genuine Advantage in the
updates, uncheck the box and install the rest. You will get a box asking
whether or not you want to be notified of this update again. Tell it "no" and
you will not be notified again. Install your drivers and your applications.
Enjoy.
See how simple?
Daave
Mark, I am not out to convince you to not get around WGA. I understand
where you're coming from. It's your PC. You purchased a genuine copy of
XP. You know everything is genuine. You want to control the traffic in
and our of your PC, especially since one can argue there is always a
chance for some glitch to occur which could cause you a significant
inconvenience (a very small chance, I am sure, but a chance
nonetheless). That's fine. If you want to disable WGA, go for it.
But, to Greg:
If you wind up buying any legit version of XP (Retail *or* generic OEM),
WGA should not be an issue for you. Although there is some rationale
behind Mark's advice, from a practical viewpoint, you don't need to do
it IMO. Your XP will be genuine and there is a 99.999% chance that WGA
will concur. You can certainly get around WGA if you wish (as Mark and
others have chosen), but you don't *have* to do this!
Mark Adams
"Daave" wrote:
Daave, I agree with you 100%. Most people won't have any trouble with WGA. I
only mentioned it because he mentioned it. I don't allow it on my computers
because I CAN choose not to allow it, and I generally don't put stuff on my
computers if I don't have to or want to. I have to say, I never had any
issues with WGA before I learned what it was. I just don't like having to
jump through "Big Brother's" hoops if I don't have to. It's a "power and
control" thing. :-)
Daave
> http://oem.microsoft.com/public/US/licensing/07_03_19booklet.pdf
What about it? It looks like it's about Vista first of all. Second of
all, who cares? Like I said, the only important legal document is the
one *you* agree to: the End User License Agreement (*that* was the
challenge; anything else is irrelevant from a legal point of view).
Here's one:
http://101logix.com/Data/winxphomespk1/I386/EULA.TXT
Look, Greg, it's your money. If you want to spend more and get something
that has been discontinued, I won't try to talk you out of it at this
point. I have made my points. There's nothing more I can add. Good luck
with whatever you decide to do.
Daave
Understood. But something tells me he won't want to get around it (which
is fine, of course). Heck, he seems to be jumping through all sorts of
hoops trying to convince himself it's illegal to buy the generic OEM
version of XP Home! LOL
Mark Adams
"Greg" wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:36:36 -0400, "Daave" <da...@example.com> wrote:
>
> What about this?
> http://oem.microsoft.com/public/US/licensing/07_03_19booklet.pdf
>
> Greg
>
From page 5:
"A system builder is
defined as an OEM, an
assembler, refurbisher, or pre-installer of software on
computer systems."
If you built the system, YOU are the system builder. If Dell, HP, Sony, etc.
built the machine, then you install with the disk you just bought and use the
COA from the sticker on the machine, rather than the one that came with the
disk. Either way, you are legal.
Nevertheless, it will install and activate, and you can purchase it
"over-the-counter".
JoeSpareBedroom
news:38372A01-30D4-47B4...@microsoft.com...
Personally, I think "refurbish" includes removing the cover of my computer
and vacuuming out a year's worth of dust. Aren't definitions fun?
M
>>
>>> I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
>>> to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
>>> test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
>>> service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the service
>>> pack disk. I am In the United States.
>> If you never plan on transferring this version to another PC, the
>> generic OEM (aka System Builder) version of XP Home (with SP3, no less)
>> would be a more affordable choice. Additionally, it is still currently
>> available from retail outlets such as Newegg:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116511
>>
>> If you do plan on transferring it at some point in time, the OEM
>> version's license won't permit you to do this. (Well, strictly speaking,
>> you can transfer it; it's just not allowed by the EULA.) So if this is
>> the case, I can see why you would want the Retail version (by the way,
>> SP2 is the best you can do with Retail and it will cost almost double).
>> But buyer beware since this is no longer being manufactured, and you
>> will need to find a vendor who is reputable, which can be tricky. :-(
>>
>> Perhaps there is a ratings system available with feedback that you can
>> use to judge. Let me do a quick Ebay search...
>>
>> OK. This sloguy2000 might be a good bet:
>>
>
>>
>> (Note: It looks like this post is being filtered by Microsoft's news
>> server. Ebay link looks like spam perhaps?)
>>
>
> Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.
>
>
Yes, it is. I have three OEM generic copies. When you buy it, you
magically become a "system builder" because you will installing it.
Alias
Bob I
Greg wrote:
> Then why does microsoft stop the sell of some of the OEMs off of ebay?
>
> I always assumed it was illegal to buy an oem, including a system
> builder oem disk and use it.
>
>
'cause selling used OEM is in violation of the EULA.
Daave
Citation?
FWIW, the link Ebay link I provided (which you deleted!) was for a
*Retail* version of XP Home ( _not_ an OEM version!) -- which you had
stated you were looking for! Here it is once more:
But it would be foolish for anyone to buy an OEM CD from Ebay since they
are still officially available from places such as Newegg. And it would
be foolish to purchase a used OEM CD anyway since the license would have
already been used up (they are non-transferrable). But Newegg has *brand
new*, 100% legitimate OEM XP CDs.
> I always assumed it was illegal to buy an oem, including a system
> builder oem disk and use it.
Yes, you made that clear. It was a faulty assumption. The only concern
with regard to OEM versus Retail is the nature of the license. A Retail
license may be transferred, under the EULA, and an OEM license may not
be. You're making this more difficult than it needs to be. Read the
EULA. This is the only legal document that is relevant. There is nothing
in the EULA that implies the transaction and installation we are
discussing is illegal!
Okay, *NOW* I will stop trying to convince you. :-)
Daave
> FWIW, the link Ebay link I provided (which you deleted!) was for a
> *Retail* version of XP Home ( _not_ an OEM version!) -- which you had
> stated you were looking for! Here it is once more: [snip]
LOL
Yes, MS *is* filtering posts with Ebay links!
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/984da706e5feb0eb?hl=en
M
> Mark, I am not out to convince you to not get around WGA. I
> understand where you're coming from. It's your PC. You purchased a
> genuine copy of XP. You know everything is genuine. You want to
> control the traffic in and our of your PC, especially since one can
> argue there is always a chance for some glitch to occur which could
> cause you a significant inconvenience (a very small chance, I am
> sure, but a chance nonetheless). That's fine. If you want to disable
> WGA, go for it.
>
> But, to Greg:
>
> If you wind up buying any legit version of XP (Retail *or* generic
> OEM), WGA should not be an issue for you. Although there is some
> rationale behind Mark's advice, from a practical viewpoint, you don't
> need to do it IMO. Your XP will be genuine and there is a 99.999%
> chance that WGA will concur. You can certainly get around WGA if you
> wish (as Mark and others have chosen), but you don't *have* to do
> this!
>
>
Microsoft hasn't set up WGA forums because WGA never has false
positives. It will not improve your computer one iota and why take a
chance on a false positive and having to jump through all the hoops that
that would involve?
M
M
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:45:59 +0200, M <m...@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> Microsoft hasn't set up WGA forums because WGA never has false
>> positives. It will not improve your computer one iota and why take a
>> chance on a false positive and having to jump through all the hoops that
>> that would involve?
>>
>> M
>
> retail version of xp and it wont activate or wga wont approve, it is
> up to Microsoft to provide a replacement copy of equal or greater
> value or a refund. If I buy an OEM copy, Microsoft does not have
> to honor the warranty. Now, if Microsoft is no longer honoring the
> warranty of new xp disk that are still being sold, then yes an OEM
> would be fine if it is legal.
>
> WGA, does have false positives by the way.
>
> Greg
NewEgg would have to answer to you if you buy an OEM copy from them.
Neither will give you a refund on an opened package.
M
Ken Blake, MVP
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:45:59 +0200, M <m...@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Microsoft hasn't set up WGA forums because WGA never has false
> >positives. It will not improve your computer one iota and why take a
> >chance on a false positive and having to jump through all the hoops that
> >that would involve?
> >
> >M
>
> This is why I was going for a retail version. If you buy a new
> retail version of xp and it wont activate or wga wont approve, it is
> up to Microsoft to provide a replacement copy of equal or greater
> value or a refund. If I buy an OEM copy, Microsoft does not have
> to honor the warranty. Now, if Microsoft is no longer honoring the
> warranty of new xp disk that are still being sold, then yes an OEM
> would be fine if it is legal.
Leaving aside any warranty issues, I highly recommend the retail
Upgrade version over an OEM one. Although if you get a complete
generic OEM version, it contains the same software, its license ties
it permanently to the first computer it's installed on. It can never
legally be moved to another computer, sold, or given away (except with
the original computer). That means that if the computer dies, your
Windows license dies too. The Retail Upgrade is usually around the
same price as, or only slightly more expensive than, the OEM version.
The reason I recommend the Retail Upgrade over the Full is that it's
much cheaper and the requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own*
a previous qualifying version's installation CD, not to have it
installed. When setup doesn't find a previous qualifying version
installed, it will prompt you to insert its CD as proof of ownership.
Just insert the previous version's CD, and follow the prompts.
Everything proceeds quite normally and quite legitimately.
Most people already own a previous qualifying version, but worst case
if you don't, you can inexpensively buy a copy of Windows 98 someplace
like eBay.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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Mark Adams
"Greg" wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:45:59 +0200, M <m...@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Microsoft hasn't set up WGA forums because WGA never has false
> >positives. It will not improve your computer one iota and why take a
> >chance on a false positive and having to jump through all the hoops that
> >that would involve?
> >
> >M
>
> This is why I was going for a retail version. If you buy a new
> retail version of xp and it wont activate or wga wont approve, it is
> up to Microsoft to provide a replacement copy of equal or greater
> value or a refund. If I buy an OEM copy, Microsoft does not have
> to honor the warranty. Now, if Microsoft is no longer honoring the
> warranty of new xp disk that are still being sold, then yes an OEM
> would be fine if it is legal.
>
If you buy a retail copy and it "wont activate or wga wont approve", getting
a replacement disk of the same type won't change anything because the disks
are all the same. It's the Product Keys that are different, and the keys are
not on the disk. A new purchase of any type (OEM, Retail Upgrade, or Full
Retail) should activate on any machine because the key that came with it has
never been used before. If you buy a used disk from eBay (package open), all
bets are off. As far as WGA goes, I have already explained how to keep that
off your computer, YOU NEVER ALLOW IT ON IN THE FIRST PLACE. I agree that the
Retail Upgrade is probably best, because the EULA does allow you to move it
from machine to machine, but it does cost more and you may not easily be able
to get an unopened one.
Ken Blake, MVP
<Mark...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I agree that the
> Retail Upgrade is probably best, because the EULA does allow you to move it
> from machine to machine, but it does cost more and you may not easily be able
> to get an unopened one.
Amazon.com currently sells unopened new copies of both retail and OEM
versions. For XP Home, the retail upgrade is actually cheaper than the
OEM! For XP Professional, the retail is upgrade is only $5 more than
the OEM.
Mark Adams
"Daave" wrote:
Jeeeze, you weren't kidding!
Mark Adams
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
Well, there's Greg's answer.