Upgrade from Win XP HOME to PRO
Jack
I have Win XP HOME installed on my computer.
The software is in tip-top condition. It has all Ms updates installed, IE
version 7 etc.
I have tried to upgrade it to Windows XP PRO edition.
All hell get loose. I lost my IE version 7 and most of the updates.
IE was not even listed in Startup menu!!!! not its icon on the desktop etc.
I have found the IE version 6 deeply hidden in the folder on C drive.
My question is:
Is it possible to upgrade to PRO version and keep all the updates including
IE ver. 7 intact?
Why I need to reinstall all of that again?????
Has Ms lost its mind?
Jack
Shenan Stanley
No.
You have decided to upgrade from Windows XP Home Edition to Windows XP
Professional Edition for some reason (I guess you needed the ability to join
a domain or maybe you needed to be able to use Remote Desktop?) and you
chose to do it AFTER 5+ years of updates to the currently installed (Windows
XP Home Edition) OS. The CD you used to upgrade *may* have had Service Pack
2 integrated (would have to - otherwise you would have gotten a message
about it in doing a proper 'upgrade'...) but was unlikely to have the 80+
other updates that have come since SP2. That would include Internet
Explorer 7 - and to my knowledge, there is no way to integrate that into any
Windows XP CD (and have it actually replace IE6.)
So - when you 'upgrade' your "circa 2001" OS (which has all the current
patches/updates through March 2007) to a different version of the same OS
(but the CD/data on the CD is still - at best - "circa 2004") - then you get
the 'circa 2004' results.
Is there a way around that? Not to my knowledge. While you can make some
wonderfully integrated and updated CDs - some applications (IE7, Media
Player 11, etc) were not designed to be integrated into the original
installation (although they can be installed automagically during the
installation - even at the T-13 minute stage) and thus an UPGRADE - even
with one of the highly updated CDs - will likely result in still needing
many patches and even updated software installations.
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Jack
You are right in that regard that I used Windows XP Pro disk with SP2
included and that I needed to add the Remote Desktop functionality to my
Windows.
But whatever you say I will not believe that the adding that functionality
needs all the updates I have up to date render invalid.
If there ae such little differences between PRO and HOME why not just add
Remote Desktop and "the ability to join
a domain" and leave everything else intact?
Beats me.
That implies a different question.
Which files can I take from Windows XP PRO installed folder and put into my
HOME version to have Remote Desktop available?
Jack
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: You are a good Ms defendant but you did not convince me.
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No, just the facts were stated.
"Uprade" doesn't mean tweek the old. It's a whole new (as of cut date)
program which merely checks for a legitamate previous version.
For instance Xp Pro "upgrade" "upgrades" windows 98, pre SE, not even NTFS.
Jack
Jack
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Shenan Stanley
> I have Win XP HOME installed on my computer.
> The software is in tip-top condition. It has all Ms updates
> installed, IE version 7 etc.
>
> I have tried to upgrade it to Windows XP PRO edition.
> All hell get loose. I lost my IE version 7 and most of the updates.
> IE was not even listed in Startup menu!!!! not its icon on the
> desktop etc. I have found the IE version 6 deeply hidden in the
> folder on C drive.
> My question is:
> Is it possible to upgrade to PRO version and keep all the updates
> including IE ver. 7 intact?
> Why I need to reinstall all of that again?????
> Has Ms lost its mind?
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Jack wrote:
> You are a good Ms defendant but you did not convince me.
First off - I am not a Microsoft 'defendant'.
You asked a question - I gave you facts. I am not 'defending' anything.
You asked:
- Is it possible to upgrade to PRO version and keep all the updates
including IE ver. 7 intact?
- Why I need to reinstall all of that again?????
- Has Ms lost its mind?
- It is not possible to upgrade to Windows XP Professional from Windows XP
Home Edition and not have to reinstall Internet Explorer 7.0 if you had it
installed already.
- The way the upgrade works and replaces with what it sees to be the
legitimate files of Internet Explorer 6.x destroys the IE7 stuff. Media
Player XX was probably another problem area for you. Some updates you
probably got were only needed for Windows XP Professional. Many other DLLs
and the likes were overwritten with the 'correct version' in as far as the
installation media you had was concerned. Doing anything less could
introduce unknown versions (even hacked) into the system - or more
accurately -leave them there.
- Microsoft has not lost 'its mind' --> it is a corporation, it cannot (1)
and (2) you did/do not understand what technically was being done and those
facts have been (before or now) laid out before you to help you understand
what's going on when you are doing an 'upgrade of a MS operating system'...
Convince you of what?
That you cannot get done what you want done in the way you want it done and
it's no ones fault?
> You are right in that regard that I used Windows XP Pro disk with
> SP2 included and that I needed to add the Remote Desktop
> functionality to my Windows.
I never said that was 'the reason' - I listed two of the very few
(factual/technical) reasons one would need to go from Windows XP Home
Edition to Windows XP Professional Edition. You obviously have chosen one
of the two I listed. Great. *shrug*
> But whatever you say I will not believe that the adding that
> functionality needs all the updates I have up to date render
> invalid.
You do not understand (are ignorant of) what the term 'upgrade' means in a
Windows OS then. Simple as that. If you wish to remain ignorant and add
stubborn - go ahead. Won't bother me in the least.
Research and discover that Internet Explorer is CLOSELY intertwined with the
operation of the rest of the OS. It uses components from Explorer and the
likes. It makes connections with several other functions of the Operating
Itself - when it comes to Windows XP. So - when you installed Internet
Explorer 7.0 on your Windows XP Home Edition installation - you updated a
LOT of things - not just the browser. Install a new version of Netscape or
Firefox - and you are just updating the application. Install Internet
Explorer 7 and it has to update all sorts of system files. And since - as
far as I know - there is no way to integrate Internet Explorer 7 (really
integrate it...) into your Windows XP whatever installation media - when the
'upgrade' occurs - it will overwrite many necessary files with what it sees
to be the legitimate ones - for IE6. Many of the shared DLLs that Windows
XP uses throughout will also get replaced with the 'safe' ones from the CD.
Could it be done better? Maybe - but that is not what you asked.
You asked if it was possible. It *is* possible in the broad sense. Maybe
you should get to work on that. In the specific 'what's available and what
is likely to happen' sense - no - it's not nor will it be. Windows XP is a
dying OS in its later years. Like everything else - it starts dying the day
it was created. You are looking at the twilight years of Windows XP - so
adding new features/methods to the OS is unlikely - at best - expect
patches.
> If there ae such little differences between PRO and HOME why not
> just add Remote Desktop and "the ability to join
> a domain" and leave everything else intact?
>
> Beats me.
A few reasons.
- More versions = more choices = different pricing levels.
(Windows XP... Home, Professional, Tablet PC, Media Center and x64... Only
the last has any real 'significant difference and/or requirements' over the
rest...)
- An end-user may never need a feature that would come installed/ready to
use in one version or another. Examples: You may not have a need to connect
your computer to your television. Guess you shouldn't buy/install Media
Center. You might not have a way to write on a touch-screen computer -
guess you don't need Tablet PC edition. You might not have a 64bit
processor - guess you cannot use x64 edition....
> That implies a different question.
> Which files can I take from Windows XP PRO installed folder and put
> into my HOME version to have Remote Desktop available?
None.
Cannot be done.
You cannot make Windows XP Home have a native Remote Desktop capability.
It is suggested you utilize third party tools (free!) to do this if you have
the need. UltraVNC is a flavor of VNC I recommend to those wanting to get a
full-featured remote control client/server setup on Windows XP Home Edition
without spending anything more than time and effort.
Windows XP Home Edition has the client capability (Remote Desktop) -- But it
does not/will not have the host/server capability.
I think, perhaps - you meant to ask something more along the lines of, "Why
does the upgrade process from a fully patched and updated Windows XP Home
Edition using a not-fully patched Windows XP Professional Edition CD
(installation media) not take into account the fact I have a fully patched
system and leave those applications alone...?"
The short answer - it was never coded (unlikely to ever be in XPs case) to
check the version against the latest on the web and verify the version you
have is the latest and thus - it doesn't replace it with the 'safe version'
from the CD - just lets it be.
I think, perhaps - you meant to ask something more along the lines of, "Why
didn't Microsoft code it so it could take such things into account - and
verify the versions I have are legitimate and later than the ones in the
upgrade versionn and use the ones I have instead?"
The short answer is - many factors, including that Windows XP is a year 2001
technology with year 2001 coding making it 5+ year old OS. Keeping it and
all of the installation media you could possibly get your hands on at any
given location (even if it has never been opened) is a huge undertaking and
likely pretty well impossible and depending on you having a fast internet
connection making the system of verification of file versioning possible
would be foolish at best. 2006/2007 is Windows Vista. Windows XP is dying
whether you and I want it to or not. You can hang on as long as you like -
but to expect anything more than duck tape and bandaids for Windows XP -
well - that's foolish at best as well.
Dick
with no service packs. I had to slipstream the SP2 software with the
XP Pro together on one CD, then go out and get the drivers for my SATA
drives. Doing the updates that were lost was no big deal. Took only
a few minutes. What WAS a big deal was all the programs the upgrade
trashed. Took me about a week to reinstall everything that used the
registry. I have reinstalled Windows several times to fix problems,
and it never hurt existing programs. However, this was always Pro to
Pro or Home to Home. This is the first time I tried to go from Home
to Pro. Watch out for that one!
Dick
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:12:16 -0400, "Jack" <replyto@newsgroup> wrote:
>You are a good Ms defendant but you did not convince me.
>You are right in that regard that I used Windows XP Pro disk with SP2
>included and that I needed to add the Remote Desktop functionality to my
>Windows.
>But whatever you say I will not believe that the adding that functionality
>needs all the updates I have up to date render invalid.
>If there ae such little differences between PRO and HOME why not just add
>Remote Desktop and "the ability to join
>a domain" and leave everything else intact?
>Beats me.
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Jack
I have added Remote Desktop functionality to my XP HOME edition.
I am able to do remote desktop and I can offer remote assistance to the
people with need.
Jack
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Jack wrote:
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> Which files can I take from Windows XP PRO installed folder and put
> into my HOME version to have Remote Desktop available?
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Shenan wrote:
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> None.
> Cannot be done.
> You cannot make Windows XP Home have a native Remote Desktop capability.
>
> It is suggested you utilize third party tools (free!) to do this if you
> have the need. UltraVNC is a flavor of VNC I recommend to those wanting
> to get a full-featured remote control client/server setup on Windows XP
> Home Edition without spending anything more than time and effort.
>
> Windows XP Home Edition has the client capability (Remote Desktop) -- But
> it does not/will not have the host/server capability.
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Jack wrote:
> It is completetely not true.
> I have added Remote Desktop functionality to my XP HOME edition.
> I am able to do remote desktop and I can offer remote assistance to
> the people with need.
Read carefully - I stated that you could not be the HOST - you can offer
remote assistance/use the remote desktop client on Windows 98 and OS X
even - that is nothing special.
You did not/do not have "Remote Desktop" on your Windows XP Home PC.
While you can have the client - Windows XP Home Edition cannot be the
host/server.
You can have the client on Win9x/ME/2000/XP/*nix and MacOSX for that matter.
But only Windows XP Professional, Windows 2000/2003 and beyond have Remote
Desktop.
Windows XP Home Edition only has Remote Assistance (for hosting).
While you can use a third party application and remote to Windows XP Home
Edition - you cannot use the actual Remote Desktop capability that is native
to other versions of Windows.
Jack
Shenan Stanley
Entire Thread:
Shenan wrote:
> Read carefully - I stated that you could not be the HOST - you can
> offer remote assistance/use the remote desktop client on Windows 98
> and OS X even - that is nothing special.
>
> You did not/do not have "Remote Desktop" on your Windows XP Home PC.
> While you can have the client - Windows XP Home Edition cannot be
> the host/server.
> You can have the client on Win9x/ME/2000/XP/*nix and MacOSX for
> that matter. But only Windows XP Professional, Windows 2000/2003
> and beyond have Remote Desktop.
>
> Windows XP Home Edition only has Remote Assistance (for hosting).
> While you can use a third party application and remote to Windows
> XP Home Edition - you cannot use the actual Remote Desktop
> capability that is native to other versions of Windows.
Jack wrote:
> I am testing it...
Please detail the 'it' that you are 'testing'...