IE dehanced?

[davegb]

I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
more experienced users know fixes?

When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
launcher (Executor) or is it IE?

No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
think of.

Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
good is that? And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What are
they thinking?

Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able to
drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar area or
even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating toolbars
myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever. At least we
had some control of where they were!

If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it very
much.

[Augustus]

"davegb" <dave...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:c0440185-7c0a-457e...@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of you
> more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I can
> think of.

Which IE version is this? Sounds like you have IE configured with almost all
buttons not showing. In IE7 the refresh is right next to the address bar,
two green arrows going around each other

[Vern Linard]

the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed vista
and windows media player

[Mick Murphy]

Open IE7> go to Tools in the upper right-hand side> then click on Menu Bar>
the old "file, edit, etc" is there!
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

[Shenan Stanley]

<comments and responses inline>

davegb wrote:
> I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> launcher (Executor) or is it IE?

What is your 'launcher'?

> No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I
> can think of.

Look to the right of where you type the URL in at. See the two green
arrows?

> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> good is that?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says "Click here to
open a new tab"? You know where to click - do you need a pretty icon there
as well? After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...

> And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What
> are they thinking?

"Status toolbar"? What are you referring to as the status toolbar?

Just about everything at the top of the Internet Explorer window can be
moved around if unlocked.

Are you speaking of the bottom?

> Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able
> to drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar
> area or even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating
> toolbars myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever.
> At least we had some control of where they were!

If you are talking about the top - you still can. Right-click and unlock
it. That was also a feature in IE6 - to lock and unlock the toolbar areas.

> If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it
> very much.

Did you try the built in help or a Google search?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

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[davegb]

On Feb 24, 1:10 pm, Mick Murphy <MickMur...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

> Open IE7> go to Tools in the upper right-hand side> then click on Menu Bar>
> the old "file, edit, etc" is there!
> --
> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>

Already did that, Mick, and no, the old "Refresh" is not there and not
an option.

> > much.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[davegb]

On Feb 24, 1:15 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <comments and responses inline>
>
> davegb wrote:
> > I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> > time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> > user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> > these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> > you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> > When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> > instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> > programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> > launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> What is your 'launcher'?

Thanks for your reply. My launcher is "Executor".

>
> > No refresh button anymore? I have to F5 or use the menu? Can't find
> > one if it's there. Looked under "Customize" and everywhere else I
> > can think of.
>
> Look to the right of where you type the URL in at.  See the two green
> arrows?

Holy cow! Never thought to look up there. Thanks.

>
> > Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a tab
> > is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it! What
> > good is that?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean.
>
> Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says "Click here to
> open a new tab"?  You know where to click - do you need a pretty icon there
> as well?  After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...

I understand that, and as long as that's the only icon in that area,
that's ok. But if I ever figure out how to use all that waste space
between the New Tab icon and the Status bar, then there would be more
icons and I'd like to know which is which. What does hiding the icon
accomplish anyway?

>
> > And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
> > with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into the
> > huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!! What
> > are they thinking?
>
> "Status toolbar"?  What are you referring to as the status toolbar?

The one MS calls the "Status Bar".

>
> Just about everything at the top of the Internet Explorer window can be
> moved around if unlocked.
>
> Are you speaking of the bottom?

Bottom? No, I'm talking up above the main window, to the right of the
New Tabs icon. A lot of blank real estate where I'd like to put more
icons for the things I do freqently, like I did in Mozilla Firefox.

>
> > Even if this is correctable, it's unthinkable! You used to be able
> > to drag toolbars to where you wanted them, either in the toolbar
> > area or even undock them, if you liked. I never liked floating
> > toolbars myself, but right now, they're looking better than ever.
> > At least we had some control of where they were!
>
> If you are talking about the top - you still can.  Right-click and unlock
> it.  That was also a feature in IE6 - to lock and unlock the toolbar areas.
>

Already did that. They're unlocked, but can only be dragged a short
way over to the left, leaving that big "hole" in that bar, where I'd
like to put other stuff.

> > If anyone has any ideas to get IE usable again, I'd appreciate it
> > very much.
>
> Did you try the built in help or a Google search?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with their
users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the recycle and
stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar than over on the
left, where they've always been, where all experienced users expect to
see them? Seems to me that Bill and Steve are just making changes to
justify making us all go out and plunk down ever increasing amounts of
cash to get "upgraded" software that's harder to use than the old one.
I call these "dehancements" or "deprovements". Well, I guess Bill's
trying to get back up to that $100B mark he fell below in 2000. Poor
guy.

[davegb]

On Feb 24, 2:13 pm, davegb <daveg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 1:15 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <comments and responses inline>
>
> > davegb wrote:
> > > I'm using IE for a while, trying it out. I haven't used it in a long
> > > time, and I'm finding that other than tabbed browsing, it's far less
> > > user friendly than it used to be. I've searched for options to fix
> > > these things, but haven't found most of what I need. Maybe some of
> > > you more experienced users know fixes?
>
> > > When I open web pages from my launcher, they come up in a new window
> > > instead of a new tab. I've set IE to open new web pages from other
> > > programs in a new tab, but this doesn't seem to work. Is it my
> > > launcher (Executor) or is it IE?
>
> > What is your 'launcher'?
>
> Thanks for your reply. My launcher is "Executor".

I also posted this question in the Executor forum (didn't know if it
was an IE7 problem or an Exec problem), got this fixed.

I did search other places before I posted here, but didn't know what
to search for, got nothing useful. As for the built-in help, I stopped
looking in M$ built-in help years ago. All I've ever found there is
either advice that didn't apply or nothing.

>
> > --
> > Shenan Stanley
> >      MS-MVP
> > --
> > How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
> lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with their
> users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the recycle and
> stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar than over on the
> left, where they've always been, where all experienced users expect to
> see them? Seems to me that Bill and Steve are just making changes to
> justify making us all go out and plunk down ever increasing amounts of
> cash to get "upgraded" software that's harder to use than the old one.
> I call these "dehancements" or "deprovements". Well, I guess Bill's
> trying to get back up to that $100B mark he fell below in 2000. Poor
> guy.

Thanks again!

[Shenan Stanley]

davegb wrote:
<snipped>

> I did search other places before I posted here, but didn't know what
> to search for, got nothing useful. As for the built-in help, I
> stopped
> looking in M$ built-in help years ago. All I've ever found there is
> either advice that didn't apply or nothing.

Try again. Things do change - if you don't change with them, you may never
know what you are missing or why you cannot figure out what others seemed to
have no trouble with. ;-)

The built-in help, I used to be the same way. With the consumer products,
Microsoft has improved a great deal. For the server side, it could not get
more esoteric.

[Shenan Stanley]

davegb wrote:
<snipped>

>>> Most frustrating of all, the toolbar itself. The button to add a
>>> tab is a blank button. The icon only shows up if I hover over it!
>>> What good is that?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean.
>>
>> Are you complaining because there is no icon there that says
>> "Click here to
>> open a new tab"? You know where to click - do you need a pretty
>> icon there
>> as well? After all - you have to 'hover' over it to click it...
>
> I understand that, and as long as that's the only icon in that area,
> that's ok. But if I ever figure out how to use all that waste space
> between the New Tab icon and the Status bar, then there would be
> more icons and I'd like to know which is which. What does hiding the
> icon accomplish anyway?

That space is FOR the tabs and command bar... If you don't want to use the
tabs - disable them and then you can use that space just for the command
bar. You can add several things to the default command bar to take up all
that space if you desire. If you turn off tabs, however, I doubt you'll
ever fill up that space.

Also - you know that with my 24" widescreen, what you call huge, I would
call humongous. I don't consider it wasted space, however - I consider it
unused and less cluttered. ;-)

>>> And the status bar toolbar is way over to the right,
>>> with no apparent way to drag the toolbar over to the left, into
>>> the huge gap of wasted space in the center of the toolbar area!!
>>> What are they thinking?
>>
>> "Status toolbar"? What are you referring to as the status toolbar?
>
> The one MS calls the "Status Bar".

The status bar is the bottom bar.

> I appreciate the help. I'm just very frustrated with all M$ products
> lately, Seems to me that they're just playing a shell game with
> their users. They move things for no apparent reason. Are the
> recycle and stop buttons easier to use in the middle of the bar
> than over on the left, where they've always been, where all
> experienced users expect to see them?

I understand the frustration - but when you say 'experienced users' - it's
not really that to me. If you didn't want to change - don't use IE7
(there's no requirement to do so in XP.) Heck - you really do not have to
use IE at all (I mainly use FireFox myself.)

Everyone is different. People who mainly use keystrokes for things are in
the advantage right now. Sure - the Office 2007 interface and IE interface
is different - but if you hardly ever used the mouse - it makes no
difference. The same key shortcuts still function.

Also - what you see as different, many people didn't know really there was
any changes as they just started. ;-)

Going from Commodore VIC20s to Windows Vista with Macintoshes, *nix and many
other miniature GUI OSes (BeOS for example) in between, you learn *not* to
get used to much. ;-)

[Vern Linard]

things change.. some for better some for worse

IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for destroying
all logic and usablitity in UI.
Case closed

[Shenan Stanley]

IYHO
;-)

There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X. Some even long for the DOS and
WordPerfect 5 days...

[Colin Barnhorst]

I miss Edlin.

"Shenan Stanley" <newsh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OSOj%2300dI...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

[Bill in Co.]

EDLIN sucked, LOL.
PC-Write was a heck of a lot better. Heck, even EDIT was a lot better.
:-)

[throwitout]

On Feb 24, 9:40 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I miss Edlin.

Edlin is still there. In fact Edlin is still in vista while
winhlp32.exe isn't.

[Bill in Co.]

Really? Guess that speaks (even a few more) volumes .... about Vista.
ROFL!!

[davegb]

On Feb 24, 6:25 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vern Linard wrote:
> > things change.. some for better some for worse
>
> > IE and Vista are horrid, made by people that should be hanged for
> > destroying all logic and usablitity in UI.
> > Case closed
>
> IYHO
> ;-)
>
> There are still people who prefer things from Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
> Some still prefer OS 9 over OS X.  Some even long for the DOS and
> WordPerfect 5 days...
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP

Sometimes, we long for things the way they were for emotional,
nostalgic reasons. I don't have such feelings about software.
Wordperfect was a vastly superior word processor to Word, for at least
2 reasons. First, it had simple, straightforward ways of setting tabs
and margins and indents, something I still long for. After many years
of playing with Word's mysterious margin/tab/indent tool, I still have
no idea how it works or what I'll get when I manipulate it, and I
still, most of the time, can't get it to do what I want. If I were the
only person with this experience, I'd take the blame. But I'm not.
Second, Wordperfect's "Reveal Codes" view, in which you could see
every formatting code in the document and correct them as needed.
Figuring out what exactly is causing one paragraph to behave one way
and another to behave another way is still often impossible in Word.
This is NOT a nostalgic thing at all. Simple usability features that
Word has never approached.
Longing for DOS - that's pure masochism!

[Bill in Co.]

The right tool for the right occasion. But some (granted, only a few)
things work better or simpler in DOS (such as renaming a bunch of files with
wildcards, deleting an index.dat file (which can't be done in windows), and
a few other goodies)

[davegb]

On Feb 25, 1:46 am, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> a few other goodies)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

No doubt. But missing a few features is not the same as "longing for".
Given all the advantages of a GUI, I've never misssed DOS. And for
most those things you miss, you can find those little, small developer
apps that work so well.

[Unknown]

How would YOU design vista and media player?
"Vern Linard" <VernL...@aol.ca> wrote in message
news:47c1...@newsgate.x-privat.org...

[davegb]

On Feb 25, 1:27 pm, "Unknown" <unkn...@unknown.kom> wrote:
> How would YOU design vista and media player?"Vern Linard" <VernLin...@aol.ca> wrote in message

>
> news:47c1...@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>
>
>
> > the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed vista

> > and windows media player- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very like
it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend told
me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?

[Unknown]

The severe critics of an operating system ( or any program for that matter )
are always from those that have never done any programming.

"davegb" <dave...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:c2f11e90-2846-499f...@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...

[Shenan Stanley]

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Vern Linard wrote:
> the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed
> vista and windows media player

Unknown wrote:
> How would YOU design vista and media player?

davegb wrote:
> I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very
> like it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend
> told me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?

"Print"... In Windows Vista? In Windows Media Player?
Unsure what you mean if you did not make a mistake or your friend does not
know the difference between Office and Windows. ;-)

Or are you talking about Microsoft Office 2007? I know many people who have
had trouble with that. They sometimes feel a little sheepish when you show
them the built in help and type in "how do I print"... ;-) I have started -
when giving people Office 2007 for the first time - showing them the ribbon,
the help and telling them, "If you cannot find it - click on the big ball in
the top left corner..."

Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Print.
*Important* If you don't see the Microsoft Office Button,
click Print on the File menu.
Keyboard shortcut: To display the Print dialog box, press
CTRL+P.

And an inability to locate something in a new product - that should not be
equated to a lack of progress. There are people out there, by now, that
have ONLY used Office 2007. If you were to give them Office 2003 - they
would have a difficult time finding things.

In addition - might I suggest these:

- The new look in familiar programs of the 2007 Microsoft Office system
http://office.microsoft.com/training/training.aspx?AssetID=RC101482291033

- Wondering where your favorite Office 2003 commands are located in the new
2007 Office system interface?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx?pid=CL100633201033

[davegb]

On Feb 26, 1:08 pm, "Unknown" <unkn...@unknown.kom> wrote:
> The severe critics of an operating system ( or any program for that matter )

> are always from  those that have never done any programming."davegb" <daveg...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
I've done just enough programming to know how difficult it can be, and
to know that the number one mistake made in most programming efforts
is not involving end users early and often. Frequently, programmers
have no idea how the program is used by the actual end users, who are
considered far too ignorant to have an intelligent opinion about the
user interface. This goes all the way back to Brooks (Mythical
Manmonth) and is supported by numerous other experts in the software
development field (i.e., Stephen Campbell, et. al.) End users have
just as much right to criticize software as developers, because we
have to use what they produce. This is akin to saying I can't complain
about my car, with the gear shift in the back seat, because I don't
design cars!

[davegb]

On Feb 26, 1:39 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snipped>

> Entire Thread Archived Indefinitely:http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/bro...

>
> Vern Linard wrote:
> > the interface was made by idiots, the same idiots that designed
> > vista and windows media player
> Unknown wrote:
> > How would YOU design vista and media player?
> davegb wrote:
> > I'd start by putting "Print" in the same place, or somewhere very
> > like it. I haven't had the chance to work with Vista yet, but a friend
> > told me it took her 10 min to find "Print". Is that progress?
>
> "Print"... In Windows Vista?  In Windows Media Player?
> Unsure what you mean if you did not make a mistake or your friend does not
> know the difference between Office and Windows. ;-)
>

In an app in Windoze Vista, I assume. I wasn't there at the time. You
can make fun of an "average" user, but they're a lot of them out there
and they don't need M$ screwing them around just to make another few
billion.

> Or are you talking about Microsoft Office 2007?  I know many people who have
> had trouble with that.  They sometimes feel a little sheepish when you show
> them the built in help and type in "how do I print"... ;-)  I have started -
> when giving people Office 2007 for the first time - showing them the ribbon,
> the help and telling them, "If you cannot find it - click on the big ball in
> the top left corner..."
>

Thanks for making my point. Why, at this point in the development of
software, would an experienced Windoze user have to go to the Help
screen to find out how to print? Ridiculous! Of course, we're all
sheepish when someone shows us something that's apparently easy to do
when they know how to do it.

> Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click Print.
>   *Important* If you don't see the Microsoft Office Button,
>     click Print on the File menu.
>    Keyboard shortcut: To display the Print dialog box, press
>     CTRL+P.
>
> And an inability to locate something in a new product - that should not be
> equated to a lack of progress.  There are people out there, by now, that
> have ONLY used Office 2007.  If you were to give them Office 2003 - they
> would have a difficult time finding things.
>
> In addition - might I suggest these:
>
> - The new look in familiar programs of the 2007 Microsoft Office system

>  http://office.microsoft.com/training/training.aspx?AssetID=RC10148229...

>
> - Wondering where your favorite Office 2003 commands are located in the new
> 2007 Office system interface?

>  http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx?pid=CL...

>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>      MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

If there is significant ease of use improvement by changing an
established software procedure, then, by all means, go ahead. But when
a couple of hundred million users can't figure out how to do something
they've know how to do for years so that a couple of million new users
can find it easier, that's going backward. Developers SHOULD consider
which is the greater good, rather than which will justify them selling
yet another upgrade to line their pockets, without offering any real
advantaqe over the old system. Most of the changes I've seen in the
last few versions of Windoze and Orifice have been moving things
around to new places where they're no easier or harder to find for a
newbie, but most definitely harder to find for the experienced users.
That is not progress, that's marketing.

[throwitout]

On Feb 26, 5:37 pm, davegb <daveg...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > "Print"... In Windows Vista? In Windows Media Player?
> > Unsure what you mean if you did not make a mistake or your friend does not
> > know the difference between Office and Windows. ;-)
>
> In an app in Windoze Vista, I assume. I wasn't there at the time. You
> can make fun of an "average" user, but they're a lot of them out there
> and they don't need M$ screwing them around just to make another few
> billion.

Vista doesn't rearrange the function location in existing apps.

> Thanks for making my point. Why, at this point in the development of
> software, would an experienced Windoze user have to go to the Help
> screen to find out how to print? Ridiculous! Of course, we're all
> sheepish when someone shows us something that's apparently easy to do
> when they know how to do it.

> If there is significant ease of use improvement by changing an
> established software procedure, then, by all means, go ahead. But when
> a couple of hundred million users can't figure out how to do something
> they've know how to do for years so that a couple of million new users
> can find it easier, that's going backward. Developers SHOULD consider
> which is the greater good, rather than which will justify them selling
> yet another upgrade to line their pockets, without offering any real
> advantaqe over the old system. Most of the changes I've seen in the
> last few versions of Windoze and Orifice have been moving things
> around to new places where they're no easier or harder to find for a
> newbie, but most definitely harder to find for the experienced users.
> That is not progress, that's marketing.

I've never used the new office extensively, but many experienced users
I've talked to love the new layout once they get their head around it.
Once they know where everything is they find it easier to navigate
around than the old interface, so it's not just new users they are
catering to. Microsoft did leave the existing keyboard shortcuts which
experienced users are used to using. Yes it's a bit of a shock when
Microsoft moved "Print" after it's been at the same place in Word for
over a decade, but maybe it actually is better.

Personally I'm sticking with Office 2003 for now because I don't see
any major must have features in 2007 worth the money, plus I don't
like the performance hit. With the free 2003<-->2007 converters my
office isn't obsolete yet so I'm not worrying too much about it.

[Unknown]

Have you ever written a complex program that satisfied 100% of the users?
Get real!

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